0ec05a No.16917541[Last 50 Posts]
Bonus if you pick less popular characters.
Antagonists are a crucial part of games, primarily RPGs. They can be written more dynamically than a protagonist. The key writing part of a protagonist and an antagonist is:
>Motivation
What are they gaining to achieve? Usually in RPGs when a protagonist identifies that there is the threat of an antagonist, his motive is to defeat him. The same can be said for an antagonist but there are also more and significant ulterior motives. Some examples are:
>Rule the world
>Destroy the world
>Wants to gain power
>Fights for the sake of having a good fight
I'm sure you can think of more motivations but these are what come to mind. Antagonists also have more archetypes that coincide with their motivations which can make them more interesting than the protagonist. Like you can have an antagonist who's a psychopath who just wants to kill. An antagonist who believes what he is doing is right. An antagonist who was once good but was fucked over by others and becomes bad. There are more archetypes and there can be layered archetypes, like an antagonist who just wants to kill people but he actually believes what he's doing is right. From what I've seen in a lot of RPGs the protagonists archetypes are less layered than the antagonists. Usually the protagonists' defining trait is their personality.
Now personally my favorite antagonist motivation is fight for the sake of having a good fight and wanting to gain power to do so. Some might see this as just not really a good motivation compared to others like ruling the world or having revenge, which I might agree. When it comes to an antagonist with this motivation it also falls on the writers to make the antagonist entertaining. See Zenos from FFXIV for example. He probably wouldn't even be on a top 10 list for Final Fantasy antagonists but I still like him, and not for fujoshit reasons. Thing is people would probably be more accepting of his motivation if he had backstory presented in the game, which he didn't. Until later in a lorebook not in-game did he get a canon backstory. It was actually a reasonable backstory but the fact that it wasn't in the game rubbed a lot of people wrong. I think he's really misunderstood but that's probably because by the way he was written the writers wanted people to read in-between the lines, which most people don't do. If anyone's interested here's a good google docs on his character https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VlsCFHsp7FjzWYACKGduUw1adNw_0ne8B0h_XVyfVWU/editZ
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332c6e No.16917575
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0ec05a No.16917577
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332c6e No.16917588
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d88446 No.16917612
I like Fou Lu because he is a very relatable antagonist. You get to see from his own point of view the circumstances that drive him to hate humans.
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85a19b No.16917638
Eggman did nothing wrong.
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800d59 No.16917642
>>16917541
Everything he did, he did for Ashina.
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f82aae No.16917645
Ryuji from Yakuza 2. In a different universe, him and Kiryu would've been good friends.
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242f2c No.16917653
>Firefly
I love this villain, who is a flying arsonist. I fought with him when I was playing Batman: Arkham Origins.
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30dcc2 No.16917657
He was an evil dick and I loved it.
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0e2905 No.16917770
>>16917541
>motives
You've forgotten the most important one of all
>MUH WAIFU
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83f92e No.16917782
>>16917575
Pretty sure his big motivation was the fact he was dead inside and fighting a strong opponent is the only thing that made him feel anything. He calls you his only friend and proceeds to slit his throat to evade facing justice. He is a weak and weird enemy at times but I kinda like having him around to artistically hunt me down.
He also ended the Empires black rose shit and is clearly very hostile to the Ascians so calling him pure evil is a bit much at this point.
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800d59 No.16917857
>when you discover that the supposed infamous final boss of the whole setting actually really din du nuffin
In fact in retrospect you even realize that he was probably about to run Kelley through himself when you stumbled in at the absolutely worst moment. I really think Tenkai jumped the fucking gun on the whole assassination thing. The second game only serves to strengthen that belief.
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8ccfdb No.16917860
Prometheus. The big bad himself.
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a6160c No.16917864
Make way for the greatest antagonist of all time
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316375 No.16917866
>>16917645
Indeed.
Nishiki and the Dojima lieutenants were also great.
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a6160c No.16917876
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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879c51 No.16917986
>>16917864
Kinda looks like he'd suck your cock, no homo.
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10a317 No.16917997
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1ef179 No.16917999
Demon King Odio from Live A Live
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81b422 No.16918005
>>16917541
>Owns various successful businesses
>His son is a take-no-shit trainer who is yet to be surpassed as a rival
>Funds research facilities to genetically engineer and train stronger Pokemon
>Bends space and time to hop between dimensions
>Employs main antagonists from other worlds and times to do his bidding
>Conquers lesser antagonists and takes everything they own
>Still finds time to run one of the toughest gyms in his region while hiding his true identity
Giovanni did nothing wrong. Anyone with half a brain would do the exact same thing if they were sucked into a series full of 2-dimentional cartoon characters.
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3b187d No.16918026
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0ec05a No.16918183
>>16917782
Another thing I like about Zenos is how he stays true to his motivation. There were times in the story and even now where he has enough power to rule over the land, but he doesn't want to. All he cares about is fighting the Warrior of Light and he even stops something bad from happening to the Warrior of Light just so he can have him to himself.
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9d5fe1 No.16918229
>Conflating whats basically a souless anime plot with quality
>Linking to your fanfics
>FF XIV
Trash game for trash people.
>inb4 passive aggressive walls of text
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000000 No.16918275
>>16917864
I don't know about "of all time" but I really liked how he is easily the largest threat in the game despite not being the main antagonist, just by abusing every regulation in the book and staying out of reach every time.
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d1f93a No.16918280
For me it has to be Kefka.
Intelligent, nihilistic and with a wicked sense of humor.
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f860b3 No.16918508
>Magic Emperor Ghaleon from Lunar
Demands to know why the goddess Althena sent his best friend to die. Starts a war of conquest because he can't leave the world under the rule of such a callous deity.
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acd890 No.16918558
Ultimately what he believed was no different than what the Laguz based their entire societies on. He believed in the eternal truth of the rule of the strong, social darwinism on a national scale. He arose from obscurity to bear the burden of ruling the country with the harshest terrain in Tellius. He instituted a meritocratic form of government that rejected the docile and aloof aristocracy of Crimea and the decadent and corrupt theocratic republic of Begnion and instead promoted people strictly according to their ability.
The laguz nations are treated as heroic, with the exception of Kilvas, but they operate on exactly the same principle as Daein. The leaders' stats compared to their subordinates serves as evidence of it. Even late game with plenty of BEXP/usage, none of your laguz will come close to being as strong as their respective monarchs. Likewise, Ashnard can more or less only be hurt by Dragon Laguz (the strongest kind of Laguz, who he absolutely destroys in a 1v1), Laguz Royals (whom he beats in a 1v1), and Ike wielding Ragnell (which is a wtfhax weapon by the standards of the series to that point).
The real difference between Daein and the Laguz Nations is we aren't really shown how the few beorc that live in laguz nations are treated. We're informed that Ike was born in Gallia, but other than that and the events of the first couple chapters in Gallia, we really don't hear much about those people. Mia and Ilyana don't really make any comment whatsoever about their experiences in Gallia, nor do any other Beorcs who are journeying with the party. However, we see that Lethe's prejudice against beorc mirrors Jill's against Laguz, so it makes no sense that in a game with a primarily beorc cast, none of them would see fit to comment on the condition of beorc in Laguz-controlled countries unless the prejudice beorc have against laguz is truly irrational unlike its opposite which is justified because oppression. Bear in mind, all three Beorc-controlled nations are "guilty" of oppression against Laguz. In Crimea, it's understood not to be unusual when what is essentially a lynch mob pursues Ranulf, suggesting that was the status quo prior to the invasion of Crimea. Begnion has a laguz slave trade and was responsible for the almost total genocide of the Heron laguz. Daein holds laguz hunts. It's not like Ashnard's Daein is any worse than the status quo in either of the two "heroic" Beorc nations.
So in summary: Ashnard was a badass, he did nothing wrong, and even if he did anything wrong, every other country did more or less the same thing either via Laguz meritocracy mirroring Daein's or through Crimea and Begnion being hypocrites on the laguz question.
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cb94b2 No.16918564
>>16918005
Compared to the rest of the characters he even looks like a normal middle aged man who was isekaied into a world of abject childlike idiots who openly philosophize about extremely insignificant concepts like stoners.
Like all the dialogue in most Pokémon game is rumination about really basic shit like friendship because it was made for kids. It’d be really easy for some middle management type guy to take over the world, and yet it has antibodies in individuals like your player character who slap down any actual world threatening events, which by the way happen because of how people are in that world.
Giovanni doesn’t get killed or maimed in any game he’s in because he’s mature, understands when to fold his hand, and resigns to a retired life innawoods, but all the Pokémon are so friendly he gets tired of that and relapses into a cross dimensional crime spree because he knows he’s not going to really get punished for it anyway.
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dbcf9c No.16918571
The hall monsters from Venture, when they'd appear in the room if you took to long.
>Motivation
to kill you (more specifically, since this was an arcade game, to prevent the game from being in a state where you could stay on it indefinitely)
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03641a No.16918588
5(ish) easy steps to fuck a Valkyrie:
>become a wizard
>create a homonculus
>nudge History toward Ragnarok
>create the Philisopher Stone
>use the stone to kill yourself before Ragnarok to stay in Midgard as a wizard ghost
>plan for the death of said Valkyrie
>have her soul reincarnate inside your homonculus
>help the Valkyrie save Asgard
>while everybody is busy rebuilding Asgard, use your spectral form to use time-travel 20 years in the past
>painstakingly hatch a plan to kill Odin
>steal Odin's power
>destroy reality to summon the Valkyrie from the future (the one you came from)
>congratulation, you can now rape the Valkyrie using her father's power
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69d67d No.16918618
>>16917541
You fool. Don’t you understand? No one wishes to go on…
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3abbee No.16918674
>>16917575
>>16917541
This nigga is gonna kill Hydaelyn or some crazy shit for sure.
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83f92e No.16918679
>>16918674
Nah the warrior of light gets to kill Hydaelyn is what I am guessing. based on what we know of the sundering it seems both Hydaelyn and Zodiark are neither good nor evil and do not really belong. They seem to be a mistake in the end.
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db3ed8 No.16918686
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0ec05a No.16918699
>>16918674
That white robed guy that's with Zenos who is most likely an Ascian is probably using Zenos and Zenos figures it out and ends up killing him. Zenos made it clear he wants to absorb Zodiark's strength somehow but in truth he's probably strong enough to take on the WoL as he is now.
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44626f No.16918824
No greater good bullshit nor pity speeches, just a simple man on a goddamn mission to do the same thing the protagonist wants to do: to save his daughteru (or imouto in the Replicant version), the rest of humanity be damned.
The perfect part is how you could swap both the protagonist and the antagonist, and they would both do the same thing their counterpart does; and even after realizing this, Nier outright says he doesn't give a shit about his circumstances and is only there to save his daughter.
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30dcc2 No.16918936
>>16917999
Trips of taste.
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5a01e7 No.16918995
>>16917541
All the Intoners, but especially Five, Four and One
>>16917642
I liked more Owl
>>16918824
>pity speeches
Part of me really likes that, there's no need for him to speak or "have more character" since he's a mirror image of replicant Nier the opposite actually but at the same time a lot of the plot could have changed with some explanations, like the fact that killing him would make humanity go extinct, so not Nier has a choice to make.
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da9449 No.16919062
>spent five fucking years inside a plastic bag with no limbs, skin or eyelids just so he could serve as a funny little minor plot twist for the sequel
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336ac8 No.16919075
Fawful a recurring Mario villain so fucking insane the Bros and Bowser had to actually kill him.
Press F to have fury.
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5a01e7 No.16919097
>>16919062
How could i forget about him, i was completely on his side.
Now i remember, his boss fight as was such excruciatingly painful bullshit i lost most empathy for the guy.
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579a2d No.16919145
I love how he is literally a waifufag, but instead of sitting in his room jerking off he decided to study forbidden magic in order to make Lenneth his. Also, he isn't even the primary antagonist. His high pitched, nerdy voice actually works really well.
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6e5f7b No.16919206
>>16919145
>>16918588
I was about to post Lezard's shenanigans in detail, but I see there's no need.
His every single act is motivated solely by his insatiable desire to put his penis into his best girl. His waifu autism and dedication are something you can only aspire towards. He worked so hard, he really deserved her.
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a3cf00 No.16919790
>>16919075
I remember that dude scraried the shit out of me the whole bowser inside story game.
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a6160c No.16923497
>>16917986
no that is definitely an intended part of his character, there's a scene where he is tied up and wants you to feed him
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ac42da No.16923503
>>16919790
Fawful turned into space Corona. That shit was freaky. Fawful had one hell of a story arc over a few games. Standard secondary JRPG villain, store owner to cosmic fucking threat.
Best Mario villain ever but I do not want him brought back so they can shove him in Kart game as that would ruin his story let him stay a magnificent bastard. Who died how he lived. With fucking fury.
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dbdcd7 No.16923507
>>16917864
>Dangan ronpa
Lol no
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a6160c No.16923512
>>16923507
not an argument
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b7bfc9 No.16923523
>first and only chaos lord to not be completely retarded
>voice like wine that oozes evil
>cool fucking helmet
Absolute crime how his VA was changed in DoWII
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a3770a No.16923537
>>16923523
Chaos Rising's chaos plot was pretty retarded as well and Ulkair is a shit final boss.
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566aa5 No.16923539
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c022dc No.16923540
>>16923512
I don't need to argue why an overrated lame ass "detective" game that attracts faggots is anything of quality.
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e6c1d0 No.16923570
>>16923540
Wouldn't it be fun to rip into it, though?
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682268 No.16923574
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316375 No.16923578
>>16918686
Why yes I am strong. How could you tell?
Doth thou desire the power?
>tfw no unlockable red or black Weltail
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aaa3bd No.16923633
Captain Torres in Ace Combat 7, I can say that he's on level of Pixy in terms of a good Ace Combat villain and I love he's chaotic vibe that he put's on.
DON'T YOU SEE
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efb1ae No.16926090
>>16917541
>Zenos
>When you have the best antag in all of Final Fantasy in the next expac
>Remember us.
Fuck off with your closeted homo lust. Emet-Selch is the best sort of antagonist, in that he is the hero of his story, trying desperately to fight against the opressive light that destroyed everything he ever knew and loved. His music theme is great, his final boss fight was miles better than Zenos', and over-all just more interesting.
The end of Shadowbringers' MSQ had a finality to it that Shadowbringers just doesnt have. Its anti-climactic as fuck, ESPECIALLY after the bullshit they pulled in bringing him back to life through the most convoluted means possible.
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