/v/ - Video Games

>>16881845

Oh, I thought it was only out on PS4. Downloading as soon as I finish this wank.

Looks neat but I don't know if the demo comes with Denuvo or not.

And honestly the Secret of Mana remake didn't impress at all. It's just fancier graphics that I wasn't a fan of and a terrible remake soundtrack that I opted to use the original over.

>>16881849

Got a loicense for that wank?

>>16881894

>Not knowing they're talking about the remake

I don't know shit about the Mana games aside from back when it was a Final Fantasy Gaiden game, and even I knew that, retard.

>>16881855

It says it has denuvo on steam. RIP.

Watching gameplay of it, here's what I've caught onto so far:

>Music is as solid as the trailers implied. No butchered tracks as far as I can see.

>The abundance of QoL improvements is a huge plus

>Items actually showing up in the world is nice

<Even if they seem to be ridiculously abundant

>Graphics are fine for what they are, definitely not as ambitious as the SNES version for its time though

<English Voice acting is still iffy, at least it can be changed to Jap

>UI in action isn't as bad as I thought it would be

Pretty pleased overall. Will probably end up getting at some point in time.

>>16881845

>Hopefully Square didn't fuck this one up like FF7.

>censored dialog

>censured costumes

>willing to bet denuvo on the final product

yeah dont count on that

I’ll play the demo later tonight. Regardless of how it makes me feel, I’m still pirating the release just in case the Ethics Committee somehow got their claws in the full game anyway.

>>16882496

And jiggle physics.

just played 1 hour of the demo (stopped just before finding the fairy)

game seems solid, can't believe this is coming out of square enix to be honest.

>>16882496

Impressive. Very nice

>>16882531

>And jiggle physics.

Thanks for pointing that out, it was an important buying factor for me (no kidding).

>>16882894

Don’t get the PS4 version. That one turns down the character physics for some reason. The other versions are fine.

>>16882983

What of the performance on the Switch version? I'd get it on Steam, but the thought of having the opportunity to play the game portable is tempting.

>>16883028

Switch has 30 FPS rather than 60 FPS.

>>16883086

>Implying I have friends to play this, or had friends to play Secret of Mana way back when.

Our expectations are just two different things, anon.

>>16883086

That's the charm of modern remakes, anon. Now pay up and get used to it. :^)

>>16881897

>buying roms with a graphics pack

>>16883086

Its the demo, but given how half assed things are I doubt anything will change much.

>>16883229

Just say

>buying

And be done with it already

So is the general opinion here that this is worth getting over FF7 Remake?

>>16883028

Major performance changes on the Switch demo are 30fps, lower texture quality, texture pop-in during cutscenes, and some aliasing.

Personally, I don't know why they default Run to pressing the L stick. That and the persistent modern game adage of plastering the objective onscreen all the time.

>>16881845

the cutcenes feels a bit laggy this is especially noticiable in the black and withe flashbacks

anyone else?

>>16882496

I always thought Angela had larger breasts than that, but looking back a bit it seems that's not actually true. Actually disappointed that she doesn't sleep naked any longer in the remake, though.

>>16883269

It was confirmed back when it was announced that there wouldn't be any co-op mode, sadly.

>>16883411

From the FF7 remake thread on here, that seems to be the case. Pretty sure there's demos of both out at this point if you want to make that judgment yourself.

>>16883448

Ran fine on my computer.

>>16883542

Nice. That is clearly a cameltoe. How are you getting these angles? I can't find a place where the camera zooms in like that.

>>16883546

probably mods to break the camera limit

test

>>16883542

I really hope Square’s (((ethics department))) doesn’t get to this before it releases.

>>16882531

How did this avoid the ire of Soyny and the internal Ethics Division at Squenix Europe?

こんなのエロすぎ。

はあ、はあ

シコシコシコシコ

ドピュー、ドクドク、ビュルルル

>>16883583

It comes out April 24, considering the (((ethics department))) was adding censorship to FF7R we’ll just have to wait and cross our fingers that they only will tamper with their shittier, bigger game while they leave this one alone.

>>16883577

>>16883542

>>16883342

fugg, meant to reply to this nigger

>>16883583

I can only guess through simple luck of the Ethics Division already being too busy with ruining FF7.

>>16883585

are you alright buddy?

>>16881845

Is the demo timed? I'm sort of busy playing Samurai Souls 2 right now.

>>16883583

They're aiming this one at the "little market" of people who like unreleased Japanese games as well as fanservice. Essentially, they think it'll slide under the radar, so they're making their appeal in that market as broad as possible. FF7R is aimed at the "big market" of FF7 fans and new gamers who are supposed to like things like desexualized women. They know that game will be picked to pieces and get all the attention, so they'll be able to point out how they made all the correct noises and motions. In other words, they're trying to have their cake and eat it while talking out of both sides of their mouth.

>>16883597

I know not the PC version, but I'm sure it's the same for all versions. You can play through as many times as you want up to shortly after defeating the first boss.

>>16883585

泣いてる？

This Youtube channel is already working on uploading the OST. It looks like the OST playlist has about half of the game's total songs so far.

>>16883621

Eh, doesn't look like it. The preorder bonuses are a wallpaper set for the Steam version, an avatar set for the PS4 version, and all versions have an in-game accessory that boosts EXP gain up to level 10. But, going by the demo, EXP gain is already really fast for the early levels, so I don't know why that accessory exists.

Anything newcomers need to know before I going in?

I know the original had some class-change system that was permanent.

>>16883041

>Switch has 30 FPS rather than 60 FPS.

Dealbreaker. I'll get it on PC.

>>16883598

I have absolutely no desire to play FF7 ever again, nor it's remake, so if it's sacrifice means i get a non-neutered remake of SD3, I'm completely fine with that.

>>16883678

>I know the original had some class-change system that was permanent.

Yeah but I don't think that's relevant in the scope of this demo. You could change your class two times and depending on the combination of which branches you chose, you end up with a different class in the end.

				 Level 38 - Light-Light
			       /
			      /
			     /
            Level 18 - Light
	  /		     \
	 /		      \
	/		       \
Neutral			        Level 38 - Light-Dark

	\		       / Level 38 - Dark-Light
	 \		      /
	  \		     /
            Level 18 - Dark
			     \
			      \
			       \
				 Level 38 - Dark-Dark

EXAMPLE:

DURAN

		       Paladin
		     /
		    /
		   /
            Knight
	  /	   \
	 /	    \
	/	     \
       /	       Lord
      /
Fighter		       
      \ 
       \		  Swordsmaster
	\		/ 
	 \	       /
	  \	      /
            Gladiator
		      \
		       \
		        \
		          Duelist

I was hoping to play this, but with denuvo in the way I'll have to pass. Such a shame.

>>16882496

>>16883342

>>16883542

>>16883577

Any screenshots of the fairy? She was the one I was looking forward to the most. I can't get enough fairies in my life.

>>16883798

It's interesting that we've moved into this era where many gamers are hesitant to actually play a game without a bunch of knowledge beforehand out of some vague fear of "screwing" themselves. I wonder if developers are nowadays cognizant of that trend and trying to adjust mechanics around it–not just that it's possible that much of the details of the game will be made available, but that a lot of people will want that information up front rather than discovering it as a part of playing the game. In an older game like this one it would naturally not be a consideration unless the manual out and out listed exactly what each class would get, although this is a remake so the devs know that all the information about the previous game is available.

It's a question really beyond the scope of this thread, but it's something I wonder about every time I read a gamer in fear of not playing optimally. I'm guilty of it myself, I admit, because I don't like the idea of the potential of being unable to progress because I've made choices that aren't viable in the long term. I believe that on standard difficulty a game shouldn't have choice combinations that are poor enough to prevent you from finishing the game UNLESS it's the type of game where building your character is an important and fundamental part of the gameplay. Like, in Tome or Dark Souls it's perfectly reasonable for bad builds to exist–partially because there are just so many combinations that balancing them all would be too much work–but in a game like this one where there are only a few binary choices to make there really shouldn't be any that are so outright bad that the game isn't able to be finished. At the least, a player of ordinary RPG skill should be able to decide from information provided in the game or its manual that a certain combination of classes will not work out, and should be able to do so without a lot of trial-and-error. I don't expect the developers to protect the player from outright stupidity–I'm not saying that, like, FF7 needs to be balanced to be beatable without using materia because some player might decide they don't like the idea–but a first-time player of a game like this one really ought to be able to go into it without worrying ahead of time if they're going to be shooting themselves in the foot.

Then again, there're almost always things in sufficiently large games that players will wish they had known when they started the game or that they would want a first-time player to know just so they don't miss out on it. Everyone has an example of this: don't buy sword X in town Y because in the next dungeon you get one for free; be sure you explore all of floor Z of some dungeon otherwise you'll miss the thing that lets you get the good ending. That's kind of a fundamental problem with exploration and RPG video games that drives people towards wanting to know all this stuff ahead of time. I guess it's a balancing act, and players themselves have to decide how much spoiling would actually make the game less fun for them personally.

>>16883718

Keep your fingers crossed and pray that the ethics department doesn’t target it before release. They are still making changes to Tifa and the FF7R is coming out right around the corner.

>>16883970

Just don't put missable things in video games. As long as I always have the option to go back and collect any stuff without restarting the game, I'm fine. Knowing I missed something usually demotivates me so hard that I just drop the entire game.

>>16883970

Maybe that is because they see other people who have played the game autistically talk about minmaxing its mechanics and think that's more important to play the game than it actually is.

It's overthinking that's just not necessary when playing a game for the first time, and it spoils a lot of the fun. I would just dive right into a game and focus on just playing it, I wouldn't want to focus on the maths of the games mechanics or anything. Optimization is something for subsequent playthroughs, it adds replay value, you can use your knowledge from previous playthroughs or, if you are lazy or forgetful, use the knowledge found on the internet.

>>16883613

I will still contend that none of the tracks are bad as far as I've heard. Yet even given that, they give the option to use the original SNES tracks. Honestly the best possible outcome.

>>16883647

The preorder bonuses are definitely underwhelming. Maybe if the game sells well enough we may start to see some merch. Although I'd wager they'd probably go with stuff like Rabite plushes before going into waifu territory.

>>16883678

The original game had permanent class changes, yes. But as I understand it going off of the Playstation Underground video release some days ago, you can revert class changes in the remake. Ditto for stat training. There's seems to be a good share of items that end up being gone forever going off of the demo, but nothing terribly significant.

>>16884073

how the fuck did you even get that pose in the first pic

>>16884078

It's a combo attack.

it’s definitely not bad, the mechanics are all solid and the graphics look nice, but the one thing I hate is that enemies don’t really react to being attacked making your hits feel like there’s no weight to them.

>>16884479

Only thing I'm worried about is the difficulty, since I just breezed through the fights even on hard without using any items…and also if equipment will have some different stats/abilities other than just being straight atk/def upgrades. Guess I got spoiled by the Sin of Mana hack…will give the remake a pirate at least though, it's definitely very playable

>>16883970

No, fuck casuals. If they make retarded choices, they should be able to fuck themselves completely.

FF7 needs to be almost impossible to beat without materia except for the 1% of best players.

>>16884479

>>16884483

I agree. If there's one thing I have to knock the demo for, is that it's easier than the SNES version, even on Hard Mode. It may just be the early game, but enemies don't feel aggressive enough for the new pacing of combat. I never used a single recovery item on Hard Mode, especially with those new recovery pots on the field. The dodge roll is also spammable and I didn't take any damage from the Fullmetal Hugger fight because of it. It may be that there will have to be a self-imposed ban on dodge rolling to up the game's difficulty.

>>16884483

>>16884627

I hate to say it, but to me it just feels like a worse Ys.

>>16884681

I haven't played any of the party-based Ys, but of course this game can never top Origins or Felghana in terms of gameplay. For me it's about the characters and the classes and stuff that captivated me when I played it way back then so yeah, nostalgia bait I guess

>>16884720

sauce?

>>16884627

I didn't even really use dodge roll since the keybind is an odd place and I couldn't be assed to change it. Still don't think I got hit. Definitely took a lot more beatings from random mobs.

But yeah, the remake's hard mode is a joke compared to the SNES version so far. I'm hoping it's more of a difficulty curve thing and they're trying to ease people in early on. If not, may have to try to add self-imposed difficulty.

>>16884725

Futanari no Elf

>>16884800

>being that lewd

>that premise

>isn’t a doujin

Now that’s just silly.

Thanks

>>16884803

>ない

She's not an object, anon.

>>16884782

>But yeah, the remake's hard mode is a joke compared to the SNES version so far.

And that's saying something since the vanilla snes version is pretty easy already (and kevin just breaks the game in pieces). I'm really hoping they scale up the difficulty and remove those healing pots, or at least reduce their number. There was a "very easy" difficulty in there so maybe very hard will be unlockable?

>>16884849

At least with the SNES version, there were some reasonably hard parts, particularly before you figured out what bosses had super counters. Even Full Metal Hugger wasn't exactly a pushover depending on your comp. Last playthrough I did I used Angela-Kevin-Charlotte It was co-op so I only got to pick the second of those, and I'm pretty sure we ended up going through almost all of our healing items.

Meanwhile, as already pointed out, FMH's attacks are all super easy to avoid completely in the remake. Hopefully Black Rabite is actually hard

>>16884860

Ever since I played the sin of mana hack I can't go back to vanilla, even though I used to love playing it despite all the bugs.

I wonder if this remake will get mods in the future, I'm guessing it having denuvo makes the process a lot slower

>>16884715

>I haven't played any of the party-based Ys

Would you like me to describe how much dick these games suck in detail?

For all its flaws I liked Ys 8.

>>16884884

2 questions

1: was denuvo confimed?

2: doesnt demos make it easier to crack down denuvo?

>>16885071

>was denuvo confimed?

It's on the steam page

<Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-tamper

Every new square enix game has denuvo.

>doesnt demos make it easier to crack down denuvo?

Guess it depends if the demo is really the full game with a soft lock that prevents players to play it all unless they pay. If it's just a piece of the game, then i don't think it's possible.

>>16885151

It could give some clues about the final implementation though.

>>16885047

>Would you like me to describe how much dick these games suck in detail?

Sure, fire away

>>16885258

Gee, lets see.

>Overall combat

The gameplay style of the party games is that you can switch between three party members on the fly. Not only that, but you now have SP, skill points(basically mana) that you can consume to use skills. The gameplay loop is now wait on charge attack, get SP, spam skill, repeat. Why is this a problem? Because Skills also level up per use(1 exp per use, and they require like a hundred or a thousand use PER LEVEL) and intially it seems like they want you to combo skills but by the midpoint of the game you just spam the one that deals the most amount of damage, especially since by the end of the games the skills become final fantasy tier "stopping the game for an animation".

The game also adds two mechanics that I believe to be the utter worst shit to ever grace the Ys games, which is a dedicated dodge button, and Just/Perfect Guard. The dodge button replaces the jump button(Even in Ys8 where there is jumping again, because it's only used for platforming and not combat) and makes your movement pointless because you can reposition near instantly with a dodge. But it's not like you'd want to reposition since you can spam just guard, a very easy to pull off guard that

>Negates ALL damage

>Is resourceless and can be spammed to hell and back

>Gives you a 100% critical attack buff for a short period

meaning that every fight and bossfight is an exercise of standing in front of the fucking enemy, wailing on them, then just guarding because everyone's a health sponge now and you need that critical damage buff to finish the games before the decade passes. After Ys Seven this went double with just dodging, an equally easy dodge on attack buff that slows down enemies and speeds you up considerably. And the icing on the cake is that both flash dodge and flash guard can be used simultaneously.

The drawback? Enemies are health sponges out the ass, especially on Nightmare. They can also in Memories of Celceta oneshot the everloving shit out of you, and because the AI is garbage in that game you'll switch to the next character who is on 1 hp.

The fact that you're playing with three characters is ass anyways, because they all have individual skills to be leveled up individually, weapons, armor(I should add that armor does not display on your character model, so if you have the super late game armors Adol still looks like a leather fashion model twink), etc. In addition, in certain bossfights against human enemies this makes for a headache because you can't see the fucking boss over all the visual effects and yelling. There's also the fact that despite range and speed differences the only character you'll want to be using is Adol since he ends up as the strongest anyways, with the exception of the rock-paper-scissors damage types every character deals. Not that it matters nearly every boss, across Ys Seven, MoC and 8 fit into the same mold of

>Swipe attack

>Swipe attack 2

>Area of Effect Attack

>Delayed attack where you can't reach the boss

And since you can counter all of that with Flash Guard/Dodge nothing feels earned. And now for the bullshit of each individual game

>Seven

>Go to five areas, getting five new party members and exploration abilities

>Nearly 7 hours later the halfway point of the game is finished and you have to go back to these five areas again, going into secret areas of them, without unlocking any new abilities or members or mechanics or anything.

>But you get elemental stones that you need for each party member's ultimate weapons

>But you also need lunar stones or fuckyou stones for these weapons

>Each weapon needs a metric assload of stones

>Stones drop very slowly and are a bitch to farm even on an emulator and a speedup button

>Final boss is a three stage affair

>Every stage has you fighting with three different party members, with the final stage having solely Adol

>There are seven party members in the game, Adol being a permanent one, and you can only use three at a time. And two of which have Adol's standard damage type. And adol can use different swords that let him spec into the other damage types, which he will because you gain skills by using different swords

>So good fucking luck if you end up with three useless shit tier members against the final boss, better quit out and grind nigger!

I liked the remix of The Strongest Foe though.

>>16885310

>Memories of Celceta

The absolute worst shit fucking garbage trash and it's a remake of the best bump combat game, Dawn of Ys.

>The damage sponge/one shot really shines here, especially when nearly every area has a large enemy type that barely takes a quarter of their health bar with your ultimate attacks(I forget the name. EXTRA?) and can outright oneshot you, but that's every enemy anyways

>Music is utter trash outside of Ancient Land, especially the ONE dungeon track that the game has

>Has the stupidest fast travel system I've ever seen with. You can only warp to stones of the same color AND shape from your current warp stone. So the fast travel needs a bunch of hoops to go through before you can get where you need to go

>Every character besides Duran is ass. Karna plays like shit, Freida plays like shit(She's pretty cute though), the kid with the mace plays like fuck especially since the first time you get to play her is during the tower section and I forget who else is a character. There are also trash underwater sections.

I've never finished the game because it's utter shite.

>8

I actually like this one, mainly because the PC version adds an extra dungeon that you go through during the story, where you play as Dana. But instead of party members you get different forms which have different damage, defense, speed, etc and they all share the same skills but perform variations of it. So the shot move is a big shockwave with the hammer earth form, but a laser in the fast dual dagger fire form. The dungeon is very well made with puzzles requiring your forms, very challenging bosses with quick movements and attack patterns and a loli that turns into a dragon. I wish the entire game was like that section but it isn't. Otherwise it's a neat story for a JRPG, you're shipwrecked(of course) and you have to band together with the survivors. Of course it turns into saving the world eventually but it's neat checking out the ruins of the world. Olga's pretty hot and I'm not even a giantess fag.

Really all falcom needs to do is copy the Dana dungeon into its own game and they're set. But they won't because fuck them.

>>16885318

So at least 8 is worth playing I guess. Thanks for the description

>>16885478

Fairy is a qt

>>16885476

Your friends actually stop by or are some emulators advanced enough to force online co-op nowadays? I haven't fired up an emulator since the ZSNES days in the early aughts.

>>16883601

俺のチンポが泣いてる

>>16883970

>It's interesting that we've moved into this era where many gamers are hesitant to actually play a game without a bunch of knowledge beforehand out of some vague fear of "screwing" themselves.

I don't usually do it, but that changed with the re-release of Romancing Saga 2.

That games needs a manual. None is provided. The in-game help you get from NPCs explain maybe 5% of the game's systems and items. A lot of these remakes and rereleases completely omit the fact that there's no fucking manual anymore, and throw the player in with a bunch of unexplained systems and items. I don't want to have to read a FAQ to figure out how leveling up or battle formations fucking work.

I am not saying bring back tutorials, I'm saying just include a digital manual in the game on the title screen or something. Hell, the Wii U had some fantastic manuals for the VC games because Nintendo knew the old shit was obtuse without them, but then they released NES games on Switch with fucking nothing.

>>16885478

Thanks. That fairy is super cute! Fairy companions should be more common in vidya.

>>16885478

ええオナホになりそうね。たまらん。

すごい！

>>16885876

Agreed. It's nothing for such ass.

>>16885645

i bet it is

>>16885715

a man of class i see

>>16885892

hmmm

wonder if they will make charlotte with popoi clothes an extra costume

Wait, does the PC-demo have denuvo, too? Or am I just getting too paranoid?

I'm getting it on the switch, tiddies jiggle nicely, it still looks good and runs well enough and I can play it on the go.

The only major thing that annoys me are the loading times.

>>16885969

seeing as how the .exe of the demo is 600+ mb, i'm almost sure it does.

>>16885969

i dont think it has since they were able to make the camera mod work (mods dont work on denuvo)

>>16883970

>It's interesting that we've moved into this era where many gamers are hesitant to actually play a game without a bunch of knowledge beforehand out of some vague fear of "screwing" themselves.

When you have a wide variety of options for games to play, you're much less likely to want to replay certain kinds of games. It used to be people didn't have as many options, and so they'd do things like replay a 40 hour JRPG to see if they missed anything. Lots of people, myself included, don't want to replay a 40 hour JRPG to make one or two slightly different choices that would get the good ending. Especially not when finding the optimal way to play a lot of these games isn't that hard, so the game is 90% the same on a second run.

>>16885570

Back in the day, both. SNES emulators have done netplay over a decade ago. At the time, we used ZSNES v1.36, because it had simple netplay built in. We played almost all of the SNES co-op RPGs through it. Nowadays, we have to play online, since everyone moved to different cities.

I've played through the demo twice, once with an all male and once with an all female party. Does it get better later on is the game really generic all way through?

>>16889563

*or

>>16884962

Yeah, I'm probably not interested enough in this game to play it, but the bottom center for Riesz is one of the coolest designs for armor I've seen from a game of this style. The armor makes me wish I liked the game more.

>>16889563

Provided they haven't fucked things in the remake and stays fairly true to the original, it gets better later on. More build variety, more enemies, interesting stories, and with plenty of replay value from the different characters and their stories.

Is it acceptable to play completely blind? I'm wondering if it was wise to have the main character be Charlotte and Duran playing second fiddle.

>>16885570

ZSNES is actually the one I used to play co-op on this game back in the day.

>>16890870

Why wouldn't it be?

>>16890870

Pick whatever you like. It's impossible to pick a party that will screw you over. And even if you feel like it might anyway, there's a special market halfway through the game that sells items which act like spells you can use to easily make up for deficiencies.

>>16890970

>Why wouldn't it be?

Apparently it really isn't since I can just switch the playable character on the fly. Don't know how long this demo goes (the core objective just got laid out) and who knows when I'll use money on anything besides foodstuffs (thanks Corona) but I'll be playing as Duran when possible.

Also, is buying armor worth it? Considering how this plays I wonder if I can just git gud at dodging everything and only buy weapons every other town.

>>16891305

>>16891267

I like lolis, hence Charlotte. In hindsight I should've paid more attention to the stats. I expected a black mage. If I like the demo all the way to the end (I certainly don't dislike it) but can't actually buy the thing, I'm assuming the Seiken Densetsu 3 ROM will make a good substitute (glitches be damned)?

>>16891312

>In hindsight I should've paid more attention to the stats. I expected a black mage.

She does get attack magic later, but she is mainly a support caster. Angela is the black mage.

None of the characters can use magic at the beginning of the game anyway, you need to acquire the respective elemental spirit first.

>>16891312

Charlotte's Dark job classes give her attack and debuff magic, but Angela is the pick for all damage spells.

Though in the remake I predict getting MP restoring skills as soon as possible will be critical for any caster build, because MP runs out very quickly in the early game.

If you play the ROM instead, also get the Sin of Mana balance hack. It fixes a lot of bugs.

>>16891328

>If you play the ROM instead, also get the Sin of Mana balance hack.

Definitely do not do this on your first playthrough.

>>16891332

It's fine, the hack has 5 different difficulties (from hard-default to wuss) and is very much playable even on your first run, you can also repatch the difficulty at any time without losing your save.

>>16891340

The point is you shouldn't play some nigger's "rebalance" before playing the original game.

>>16891312

In the original game, buying armor is a must since it's more of a real-time RPG than an action game. Enemies start using spells and fullscreen attacks around halfway through the game, iirc.

In this remake, it all depends on how they've handled enemy spellcasting and such. The only boss in the demo, Full Metal Hugger, has no unavoidable attacks. There are not spellcasting enemies up to the end of the demo, either, and everything is pretty telegraphed.

That said, the remake showers you in items, so there's pretty much nothing to spend lucre on other than new weapons and armor.

>>16891341

I can always agree with that if only to realize how much of a broken mess vanilla is once you play the hack. Don't get me wrong, I played through the original lots of times and loved every second but I can never go back now

Does the Sin of Mana hack also translate the game? I want as much active exposure to Japanese as I can, regardless of how well I'll comprehend any given line.

>>16891805

Nope, the patch is independent from the translation so you can just play in jap if you want

>>16891341

There's a bunch of things that don't even work in the original. Like how critical attacks don't even exist since there's a 1/10000 chance for it. I played the game several times and only saw it once. I was confused that my damage was golden for once and thought it was a graphical glitch. The ability to skip animations makes it so much better in general.

>>16893619

Yup. There have been bugfix-only patches for the vanilla version but it just ends up making the game even easier, since most bugs just nerf the player

Anybody else spending their time on the wait for release day on grinding for 99 Silver Item Seeds + max level Item Seed Pot? Attached video is the route for Silver Item Seeds. You have to start as Angela and not leave the tutorial area, but there is a golden save point in the area. The game ought to be easy enough already, but blasting through everything with enough mid-to-late game consumables to last the entire game sounds like a fun idea for the first playthrough.

I wouldn't do it, but with Corona keeping me shut up for another 20 days minimum, I'm getting back into huge grinds. Including this one. Something I thought I would never do again.

What party members you guys choosing first playthrough?

>>16918882

>Legend of Mana

I really like the hand-drawn prerendered sprites and background but I know they'll go 3d. Their 3d doesn't look too bad judging by this game but the whole game was built around that pre-rendered aspect so I'd have to see some mock-ups first before I pass judgement.

>>16884483

>and also if equipment will have some different stats/abilities other than just being straight atk/def upgrades.

It's possible to get three different accessories in the demo through item seeds. Judging by them and data mining showing on-equip effects, my guess is only accessories have different abilities through different status immunities or elemental damage reduction. Therefore all other equipment slots are a linear upgrade.

Every other additional effect in the game comes from the new Ability system. According to data mining, there's 386 different Abilities between all classes in the game spread out over passive stat upgrades, additional effects to attacks/spells/defense, and higher levels of the two previous categories. Examples of additional effects include a chance on Power Attack to poison the enemy, HP recovery after winning a battle, automatic debuffs at the start of a battle, and so on. Every character starts the game with two Ability slots and unlocks two more with every class upgrade for a total of 6 Ability slots by the end game.

Here's a pastebin with every Ability in the game. Though it's not sorted by character and class.

https://pastebin.com/x8VX4DMk

>>16911496

>I met Charlotte in the demo and am super glad I didn't choose to hang out with a child with an annoying speech impediment.

her speech is too fucking anoying, and in the japanese dub she speak just normal but english they had to make her talk like a retard

>>16920049

I was thinking about playing the game through in english till I heard her and the english voice directors “fabulous” friend towards the end.

>>16920053

i went straight to japanese but read her dialog is still infuriating

>>16920071

Oh it’s hell in English. Imagine a full grown woman with a low voice trying to sound like a little girl. Then soon after they have another voice actor who is more fruity than the faggot who voiced the female Krogan in Mass Effect.

>>16920049

>>16920071

Sounds like what 8-4 did to Beryl in Tales of Hearts R, most likely because Bamco gave them free reign on grounds of not giving a shit (8-4's garbage made more egregious as being JP dub only, moonspeakers could readily pick out where the rewrites were). Wonder who Square-Enix had doing the localization here, whether it was outsourced or not. Probably won't find out until someone's at the credits though.

>>16920102

It ith wiwwy wiwwy bwad

>>16920102

> childish

and thats the key word. yes she was supposed to act younger than her agebut the remake made her sound like she had 2 years old and make her changer the r (and anothe letter) for w

>im gonna cwy

>>16920107

this shit

>>16920109

>>16920107

that's physically painful to read

>>16920107

(it is really really bad)

probably should have included that translation with the joke, but seriously, the dialogue and voice actress throw around “w” ‘s into everything to try and feign a child’s speech

>>16919992

Interesting. I wonder if it'll be possible for mods to add in abilities in other equipment as well

>>16920102

You tell me.

>>16920049

>>16920095

I don't get why localizers do this, they did the same with the Nopon in the Xenoblade games. All they do in the Jap version is say "-mo" at the end of their sentences but in the English version they speak like cavemen.

Honestly I was not a big fan of the Secret of Mana remake. I doubt they won't fuck it up.

Should I play the original SD3 in preperation in case it doesn't suck? All I know of SD3 is the soundtrack is pretty rad.

>>16920205

if she had baby'd up the voice a little bit more it at least wouldn't sound so discordant

and the substitution of Ws in some words radically changes the actual meaning of the sentence ("A wight! I can't wet Heath face it alone!" yeah, maybe you shouldn't let people face fucking wights alone, those fuckers can energy drain you)

>>16920270

Probably because they feel it adds "charm" or whatever, or maybe just want to make the character/game their own. That's assuming it's not just profit related in that extra work the editor can say needs doing is more profit being squeezed out for them/their team. And sadly while companies may include dual audio, they often don't have a separate English script for each, since as I hear it, that would require a second ESRB/PEGI rating fee.

Question is, will most western Mana fans defend such a choice with the character, the way a rather vocal portion of the west's Dragon Quest fans do for the localization induced accents?

Game's out tomorrow, but some people got copies a bit earlier, so there's some streams popping up already. Zehnoa looks absolutely batshit insane with the amount of shit that has to be avoided. Reviews also not looking shabby so far, with most of the critiques not necessarily being bad things. Looking like a probable purchase at this point.

>>16927037

So you're telling me the game is not all piss easy like the demo? That's nice. Wonder how many days till the crack comes out