/v/ - Video Games

For 2D, guacamelee is pretty nice.

For 3D, I don't know, a hat in time? It's not anything exceptional but it is colorful and lively, it does the job.

>>15800688

source?

>>15800713

Factorio

Anything with one pixel limbs on the characters is automatic trash. You have to frame your mind by only using 16 or 32 bit sprites, or whatever image size you're limiting yourself to. Then you have to make the best image you possibly can. Images like in OP are blatant laziness. For bonus points, you can limit your color palette, but I am not autistic about retro palettes so as long as you make it look good I don't really give a shit.

>>15800681

a lot of the crappy looking games look a lot better in motion.

i dont know about those spooky slendermen though, never played it

>>15800756

man youre autistic

>>15800821

both

Pixelart = Using pixels to make art

Pixelshit = Using pixels to make shit

>>15800888

i dont know if id call it pleasing but it definitely gets what it aims for.

>>15800815

>Anon makes good and well thought out post

<Fucking autistic

I want cuckchan gone.

>>15800912

>fucking transparency layers ruined it

no thats autism

Something that is essentially a lost art these days is visibility and clarity. Everyone in the industry seems to have forgotten that games are meant to be played and as such need to clearly show what is going on on the screen. Both indie pixelshit and AAA shitheaps have forgotten this. It's depressing that I often see absolutely hideous games like Risk of Rain being praised as "good pixel art unlike that other indie trash" when it has single pixel limbs, excessive visual effects and a complete lack of consideration for how the colors blend together to make it harder to tell what's going on.

>>15800756

The idea that all pixel art needs to try to emulate a certain console is garbage, because it implies that pixel art has no value on its own. If someone competent wants to make a pixel artstyle game, there's no reason they should have to imitate a specific console's limitations. These shitty SJW-indie people would be terrible at creating graphics regardless of whether they tried to stick to a set of console limitations or not.

>>15800936

>no thats autism

No that's just hardware specs and limitations. People used to brag about those sorts of stats.

>>15800912

remember meaningful/productive conversations in the good ol days?

>>15800936

he was saying that the devs intentionally made a game to look like an NES game, but not able to follow the rules of the NES, so what they made should look better than NES, right?

but they didnt/couldnt.

so its shit.

>>15800936

It's very clear you have no idea about what anyone here is talking about.

>>15800955

>remember meaningful/productive conversations in the good ol days?

Yes and I miss them

>>15800952

Since devs back then had to mange resources,they produced something with their all.

>>15800955

Dubs of truth.

>>15800936

Paying attention to details and focusing on small things isn't autism, it's attentiveness. Try to work on your attention span and focus in on things instead of just looking at things broadly, or at a high-level view.

>>15800952

>>15800955

they even acknowledged the limitations, but they thought it would look better and theyre correct. gonna cry about how it doesnt lag when there are 4 enemies on the screen too?

as hold

>>15800983

In fairness to Magicite, that screenshot you posted looks better than 80% of pixelshit. The game does suffer from a lot of visual clarity issues though.

>>15800756

I'm not sure if I agree with you. I feel like pixelshit are games with a minimalistic choice in art direction the simply feel lazy. Shovel Knight may not work within the limitations it originally set itself, but the game looks fairly good. Undertale might also be pixelshit, but I don't feel that it was due to laziness that the game turned out the way it did.

>>15800984

>if you were going to cheat and drive a car, then you should have been able to do atleast a 2 minute mile

You mean driving around at 30 mph?

>>15800998

I'd like to fancy myself as the anon who coined the term indiepixelshitz. Granting there are worse examples Magicite is still the baseline measure for pixelshitz imho.

>>15801002

Yep, scott pilgrim despite the questionable politics of the artist is not pixel shit.

>>15800984

How far down that rabbit hole do you go though? You could just as easily make that argument in regards to language, toolchain or APIs the developer used, using hardware rendering instead of software rendering, or not adhering to a limited number of sprites per scanline.

>>15800941

>>15800947

I said "console limitations they're aiming for". If they're not aiming for them and are either going for something of their own, or are upfront about having no regard to classic console limitations, then it's more about staying consistent to the style you choose, /loomis/, how smooth or jerky the animations are and other typical critiques that would apply to any art style. I mostly said that because the vast majority of pixel art is trying to emulate NES and SNES, or is supposed to be trying, and fails.

Media's a big part of it too. If you ever read reviews for Celeste, they keep saying that the game is either 8 or 16 bit, unable to distinguish pixel art from "retro". Might be a willingness on the devs' part to not correct them, either.

>>15801004

I could see an argument for Shovel Knight, but considering how the THIS IS JUST LIKE AN NES GAME GUYSE was front and center in the marketting, before everything else, I expect greater care and attention than what they gave.

>Undertale

No, that's full laziness. The game's animations are just in-engine scaling and rotation of still body parts, and the general pixel art is just ugly and MSPaint-tier. Toby had a literal artist, Temmie Ching Chong on the team, and still it turned out ass.

>>15800985

That's fine, but don't say THIS IS JUST LIKE AN NES GAME in your marketing, as you're fucking lying. It's exactly the same with nu-poly games, pretending like that's how those "retro" PS1 games looked like - few textures, shaded polygons, bloom out the ass and modern lighting - literally the complete opposite of what the PS1 could handle.

Shovel Knight had a similar dilemma - they could easily have made sprites bigger to add more detail to them via dithering - Mega Man bosses did that by using background tiles and manipulating them. Perhaps it would not adhere 100% to limitations but the argument could be made that at least it would be possible on an NES, if you didn't have to use many tiles in the stage, or something similar. But instead they added more colors, something the NES could physically not do.

As a sidenote, Shovel Knight was one of the poorest uses of the VRC6 I've ever heard. Castlevania 3 Japanese used it superbly. Shovel Knight just added arpeggios.

>>15801004

>You mean driving around at 30 mph?

no. but why would that be an important distinction to make? does that analogy not make sense to you?

>>15801019

I get what you are saying but honestly I don't care if you make the old ship out of fiberglass and epoxy as long as works and looks good. That is to say that it at least is fit for purpose and not lacking in any regard comparatively to what it's emulating. To fallow this analogy through to its end, a leaky ship is a leaky ship regardless of if its built with modern tools or traditional tools.

>>15801072

>I don't care if you make the old ship out of fiberglass and epoxy

but the argument wasnt that they did this, it was that they did this AND the new ship looks and performs arguably worse than the old ship it was attempting to look like.

>>15801201

what purpose would under utilizing the tools youre using to make a game serve, exactly?

>>15801222

hard to pinpoint… but it just has to look aesthetically pleasing. most of it is ugly.

depends on what you mean by low-poly. low poly can be accomanied by good textures to make the low poly look decent.

>>15801222

Not using textures is a big one

>>15801222

dont do the black void thing and let me see upskirts

>>15801258

so, minecraft good, final fantasy 7, bad?

>>15801222

>>15801296

Detailed textures to make up for lack of polies and it's more efficient to use RAM than GPU anyways. Minecraft looks like shit because the textures look like shit. Even flat blocks can be made to look good if you have artistic knowhow. There are mods that make it more aesthetic, but the game isn't really worth playing anyways. FF7 also looks like shit, if you look at the 3d models in a vaccuum. It mostly relied on detailed prerendered scenes, like Resident Evil. The effort has to go somewhere to make something look good, there is no magic bullet or shortcut.

>>15801314

>They used colored polygons when they could get away with it (see Crash Bandicoot) and textures where they needed the most detail.

Crash 2 and 3 also had that way it handled loading objects, allowing for a lot of detail (for 3D PS1 games) on screen without actually having too much of the level loaded at once, if memory serves. Spyro also utilized lighting to color parts of its environment as well, rather than have particular shapes or objects colored themselves.

>>15801222

Good texturing, along with having an output dimension and resolution to let said texturing shine through. Compare how some (or at least, one) DS emulator allows for the option to bypass the DS screen's limitations and allow the models underneath to really show through.

>>15800982

I think this is a big part of the problem. These devs are ignorant of video games at a hardware level.

>>15801372

>Crash 2 and 3 also had that way it handled loading objects, allowing for a lot of detail (for 3D PS1 games) on screen without actually having too much of the level loaded at once, if memory serves.

Culling, yes. All three of the games had that. The perspective of the camera allows to only load in the tris that are currently visible quite easily. The devs once wrote about how painstaking it was to manually mark which ones to load in at which positions.

>Spyro also utilized lighting to color parts of its environment as well, rather than have particular shapes or objects colored themselves.

Spyro was one of the earliest examples of Level of Detail - if you go further away, textures unload from far away objects and leave only colored polygons. The PS1 could render colored tris twice as fast as textured ones (or, twice as many colored tris as textured in the same amount of time, in other words).

>>15801480

>pics

I laughed, then got sad at how accurate it is - especially the Megaman one.

>>15801372

>>15801391

>>15801437

https://all-things-andy-gavin.com/2011/02/02/making-crash-bandicoot-part-1/

Anyone got the 10 years from now image?

>>15801480

>>15801498

im reminded more of hotline miami than anything else. a universally loved game by the way

>>15801504

yeah, i mean, obviously the graphics don't match but the way text is tilted really gave me a HM vibe as well

>>15801507

HM embraces the "existential fuckwad" aesthetic. The reason it works is two fold:

First the obnoxious colors work with the game because it has an 80s vibe and music to match.

Second, the game is explicitly about being a down and out degenerate, kind of like GTA. Drug use abounds, as it does in the Miami criminal underworld. A "trippy" aesthetic isn't uncalled for.

Another thing that helps is the game is digestible in very small chunks. It doesn't cram shit down your throat for extended periods of time.

>>15801492

It's always the textures, I guess. In this case, if it just used affine texturemapping and turned off AA, it would look so much better.

>>15801496

>>15801391

Yeah. Essentially, the bus throughput needed to stream precalculated z-buffer was less precious than the processing power needed to do it realtime. Sort of like prebaked lighting.

>>15801504

Hotline Miami feels less like a spin on 80s console/arcade games, and more like janky Win 95 shareware games.

Pixelshit is trying to emulate actual pixel art without seeing an example of it or misremembering what games on consoles looked like back then. Might be due to using an emulator as an example because they don't have CRT's anymore or never had them to begin with. Limitation of the consoles plays a part in this slightly because developers were put in a position where they had to push their skills to the limit to make something work. They also had to try hard to sell their games on their graphics without the hype machine that we have today. That's why pixel art of that era is considered classic and pixel art of indies today are questionable. It all really comes down to effort. Was the game intentionally built to use pixelart or was it done after the fact or for popularity sake? Did they cut corners and use filters or did they put in the hours to emulate pixel art to the fine details? I don't mind which approach you take but make sure you present it right. There is a difference between emulating pixel art and being in the spirit of pixel art. Most indies follow the latter while claiming the former.

Also, an aside, that there really is too many pixelshit indie games that it diminishes the uniqueness of doing it today so it is judged more harshly because of it. If they stopped emulating mario, zelda and metroid in style or gameplay and maybe do some other games instead, I don't think they'd get as much flack for their design choices. Indies need to innovate just as much as their AAA competitors. Cup Head succeeded in emulating early cartoon style, despite what you make think of its gameplay. They took a risk and succeeded and indies of today need to take more risks as well or we're going to be in a death spiral of the same gameplay and same trendy artstyle for generations to come. It might be low poly playstation era games next or full clarity FMV adventure games in the near future.

>>15801480

>right metroid pic

>ingame caption

That is 30% of newgrounds right there too. The other 70% is shit tumblrart.

>>15800681

For my favorite 3D art style, I would say FEAR 1 and Splinter Cell Conviction. They look realistic, but they're both stylized. FEAR 1 looks like a John Woo film because of it's large blood sprays, paper flying like confetti, and slow motion. Like the John Woo films, it looks better and intense in motion than it is in screencaps.

Conviction had contrasted colors. If you were hiding, then your character would be desaturared

>>15801573

>>15800756

I think that's fine though. People are very selective about when this is or is not okay, and it's just another case or "forgive your friends for that which you would crucify an enemy". For example, no one is giving Hotline Miami or Risk of Rain shit for "doing retro wrong", because people like those games. If a game's shit, just criticise it for being shit. You don't have to invent more reasons to attack something.

>>15801626

That anon is right though, those practices are atrocious. I like Ribi Rabi but it does a lot of that shit and I find it grating. It's the result of laziness in the end.

>>15801573

>looks like a john woo film

what was the guy thinking making a videogame sequel to one of his best movies?

i wish i could find this game for PC

>>15801635

If it's done poorly. Some games aren't attempting to emulate any particular retro system. They just use pixels as an art style, and do it well. Hotline Miami's art style isn't exactly aiming to duplicate anything in particular, but it's weird and unsettling and the atmosphere wouldn't be the same if it looked any different. What about Owl Boy? Does that game perfectly conform to the limitations of the Neo Geo? Does anyone care if it doesn't?

>>15801595

I own this book IRL and it's pretty handy.

>>15801654

To clarify the Jap book >>15801595 mentioned

>>15801652

I don't care about the "system limitations" bit, but what I think that anon was getting at was some devs pick pixel art as an excuse to cut corners versus the days of older consoles where corners were cut to make things work. But those devs fail to realize the devs back then worked really hard to make a pleasing aesthetic.

Hotline Miami did what it did to create an atmosphere, which is fine. Something like Celeste was just a mishmash of shit built around a few good ideas, but the corner cutting and faggy artistic choices take away from anything good going on with the game in my opinion. Nothing meshes together well in terms of style or aesthetic, and there's a bunch of pretentious bullshit text jammed in because reasons. The devs missed the point of what made a "retro" game good.

>>15801654

Has it been translated to english somewhere?

>>15801683

If you want to imitate caveman paintings, you have to use the same limitations that they had.

>>15801034

Here, Anon. You'll like this.

>>15801676

Right, but I'm specifically taking issue with people who plod out the old "fake retro" argument. It's disingenuous. I don't believe anyone actually cares if a game is "fake retro". They care that firstly it's a good game, and secondly it has a pleasing art style, neither of which points rely on working within a particular system's limitations. It's an argument people dredge out when they've already decided they dislike a game or it's art, when they should probably just say that those things are shit instead, and leave it at that.

>>15801713

I think a lot of the "fake retro" argument stems from the feeling that a lot of these devs and the audience they cater to are people that pretend they're all about these old consoles when they haven't finished a single game on them. That may not necessarily be the case with some of these games, but it seems to show in the final product of a lot of them.

I kinda see where you're coming from in that people tend to write of games as indie pixelshit as a kneejerk reaction (one case off the top of my head would be with Crosscode, which even I wrote off until I decided to give it a fair shake) but I also understand that there are so many trashy indie devs giving people reasons to think that way.

>>15801769

Cool articles, usually I just get 4000 threads on some faggot pixelphile forum about palette choice when I ask

>>15801595

What is the source of that image? Tineye brings up nothing.

>>15801800

Indie devs aren't the only people doing it, either. Octopath Traveler was fucking painful to look at due to retarded abuse of bloom lighting and this mix of 2D/3D that made it look like Minecraft and a random SNES JRPG had an abortion.

>>15800888

>>15800756

the most ironic part is the artist is actually really skilled and could've made better pixelshit

>>15800888

>While i was playing

Why did you play that shit?

>>15800681

Sword and Sworcercy was such an offensively awful game. Like, truly, unbelievably terrible. I can't believe even faggot journos tried to push that shit as some sort of brilliant example of indie genius. The soundtrack was completely fucking forgettable, too, and they pushed that shit even harder, like it was reason enough to play that pixelshit snoozefest.

>>15801855

>has made 0$ so far

How is that even possible? Even the shittiest of shit games at least sell a few copies.

>>15801855

What's the game on the left in the second image?

>>15801683

If you want to make a painting then you can use whatever the fuck is available.

If you want to make a painting in the style of a cave painting then you sure as fuck better get the style right and that means either using the techniques they used or imitating them in such a way that the casual observer wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

>>15801887

Few to no sales combined with debt and fees for listing on Steam. It might be a little misleading to say he's made "0$", but it could mean 0$ in profits, as in, he hasn't even broken even, meaning all money put into his shitty hipster navel-gazing projects has yet to be recouped.

>>15801678

No but I got a copy off of Amazon JP and it really is a great book for designing characters.

>>15801966

and what if i did buy it?

>>15800756

>3+transparency, 4 palettes per screen limitation the NES

It's 2 palettes per screen, a foreground and background palette. The background palette allows each 16x16 tile of the background to use one of four 4-color segments of it. The foreground pallette allows each to use one of four 3-color segments plus transparency.

You also have an absolute tile limit for each screen.

So on one screen, you can have up to 28 different colors, and sprites may have up to 12 on one screen entirely.

Note that there are fancy tricks that you can use in NES programming to double or more than double your color count, if you take advantage of sprite 0 hits or other timing tricks to change your color palette mid-render, but this tends to be very difficult to pull off and often buggy (except sprite 0 hit, which is actually fairly easy and reliable, but then limits you to dividing your screen into a top portion and a separate bottom portion, often used for status bars or a scrolling portion of the background for effect).

>>15801921

My argument is that saying pixel art should abide by the limitations the old games had is just as retarded as saying painters should limit themselves to prehistoric tools and style because they were first. Pixel art is a technique not a style. I also think anyone that calls modern pixel art "retro" should be punched in the face for being a liar

>>15801969

you would be a tasteless faggot for buying cave painting quality games

>>15801969

id sell it to you and ask if you wanted another

>>15801898

Iconoclast. not sure why that picture says it's a 1997 game. it came out this year

>>15801980

anon, its a stylistic choice.

>>15801978

>I also think anyone that calls modern pixel art "retro" should be punched in the face for being a liar

Yes, that's the exact problem with 99.999% of pixelshit, is that instead of admitting "I can't/don't want to draw, have some awful graphics", indieshitters will hide behind their supposed "artstyle"

>"retro"

Note that the term "retro" doesn't actually refer to old things, but explicitly and exclusively to new things made in the style of old things.

>>15801994

Anon

YOU'RE STYLISTICLY SHIT

>>15802012

im just gonna pirate it

>>15801978

Pixel art exists because of limitations though. If you had no resolution/color limitations you would just draw a normal picture.

>>15802002

>admitting "I can't/don't want to draw, have some awful graphics"

when they call their shitty drawings retro, its just insulting games i loved as a kid.

reminds me of the rockcock reviw of fez.

>>15801973

>28

it's 25 colors on screen. bg tiles use 3 color palettes + a shared transparency color.

>>15802016

i won an artist of the year award for that cave painting. suck on my dick. choke on it.

congratulations. i was working on another cave painting and i just closed mspaint without saving.

fuck you art snobs. im done.

>>15802043

That's right. It's been few years since I've done NES programming. Forgot about transparent background pixels, which is embarrassing, as I brought up sprite-0 hit, which depends on using non-transparent values for both the sprite and background pixels.

>>15802069

anon youve never even made a cave painting

>>15802084

You're right, I've never painted in a cave.

>>15802069

cavepainting2 is cancelled.

>>15802763

You know the dev response would be "I didn't want people to think it was a game at all, okay?!"

>>15802763

He was likely so upset that the name of his last game could be perverted (Gone Homo), that he chose the new name solely because you can’t change it into anything easily.

>>15802801

This may very well be the reason.

>>15801855

So did Iconoclasts end up being any good? I remember a ton of hype during its development and when the demo came out, but since release I haven't heard a thing about it.

>>15802863

I'm sure we can think of something.

>Where the wang tastes like wine

>Where the women taste like wang

Done.

>>15803038

What is the name of that Japanese 2d side scrolling dark souls porn game?

>>15803049

Demon Sperm IIRC and its overrated as fuck. Think it was by fullflap

>>15803065

He draws nice tiddies though.

>>15800681

Some jackass tried recommending this game on /v/ like a week ago.

>>15803070

I like most of his games don't get me wrong, but Demon Sperm was too much work and not enough reward.

>>15801595

Looks like some Advance War CO's are in that image.

>>15803094

It was made by the artist who did AWCO

>>15803065

i meant 魔女は復讐の夜に "Night of Revenge".

>>15802863

>>15802959

>Where My Wang Tastes Like Wine

>Where the Water Gives You Dysentery

>Wibbity Tibbity Wibbily Wank

There's always a million possibilities.

>>15803465

>Where the water tastes like wank

>Where the water tastes like wang

>Where the negholes take the poz

>>15800982

This.

Oh, and it certainly doesn't help that most of them can't draw. I mean, I can't really draw.

>>15802030

Pixel art may have its origins in hardware limitations, but that doesn't automatically nullify its value as an independent technique of artistry. You might as well say working with charcoal should stick to the limitations of the cavemen who first used it.

>>15800681

>What are some modern games with genuinely good art style?

Trine series.

>>15804446

those always looked real ugly.

>>15803630

That's pretty interesting

>>15801480

hotline miami was fucking sick.

if you only want to play nes games get a fucking ness u skrub

>>15804490

The environments were pretty, but the humans were incredibly ugly past part 1, yes.

>>15805045

>muh windows

Literally get better at the game

>>15805141

Not all shit game design can be handwaved away with hurr gitgud. The absurd amount of windows (not to mention the number of large areas where you will be shot by offscreen enemies that you can't see because you can't look in every direction at once) in HM2 shows that the retards that made it somehow failed to understand what made the gameplay work in the first one. You're forced to play extremely carefully because the moment you try to run past a window, you will get shot by five enemies at once and having them all miss would be like winning the lottery. It's just objectively bad level design that works directly against the gameplay. If all you did in HM1 was peek out of corners and take an eternity to go through the level, you're the one that needs to learn to play properly.

>>15805159

You're responding to the wrong post.

>>15805167

>The absurd amount of windows (not to mention the number of large areas where you will be shot by offscreen enemies

I only played 2 so far and I can agree. It makes no sense. Entire levels of fucking windows.

Stopped playing at some point because there is no strategy or right way to do it. Just luck.

Downloading HM1 atm to see if it's better.

>>15805199

Mania was specifically aiming to be the 2D Sega Saturn Sonic we never got, as opposed to an authentic Megadrive Sonic.

>>15805379

>aiming to be the 2D Sega Saturn Sonic we never got

and they had scaling and rotating technology back then. So I'd say it's rather close to what a Sega CD could do (and I assume the Saturn as well).

>>15801480

those are some retarded images. good job

>>15800688

Have they fucking put that in the game yet or are they still little blip shooters?

>>15805405

I don't think they even decided whether to change the lasers yet

>>15805515

Q. Name one good game that has been made with Unity.

A. Trick question, its impossible to make good games with Unity

>>15805515

That image makes me very angry. That concept is not theirs and not original. As if he invented "yandere" or the Japanese school setting.

What a fucking loser. Not for any reason other than that statement.

>>15805567

Anyone suggesting Unity is a faggot babby who couldn't learn a real engine.

Anyone suggesting UE4 does so just because "muh graphics" and wants to give % of their revenue to chinese botnet.

Anyone suggesting Godot is a memer who values muh freedumbs more than good games.

Anyone suggesting making your own engine is a /tech/ larper who has never made anything bigger than fizzbuzz before.

TL;DR stop listening to nodevs and just use whatever gets you to make a game. Shitty game > no game.

>>15805567

C

handmadehero.org/watch

For console homebrews use dev kits like GBDK or PSY-Q.

>>15805607

>huh?

Something about Tencent owning most of Epic Games.

>>15805567

>so what do i use?

Use something that isn't pozzed to the Moon and back.

>>15803038

>>15803159

>Night of Revenge

>Parasite in city

Anyone got some links to those??

>>15805549

The reason why people gave shit to the game was because they fired the sound designer for retarded reasons.

>>15806017

>img 4: Fueled by desire for spite and or vanity

I rescind my remark.

>>15805549

>can't even defend yourself against underwater mother fuckers

nah it's just a bad attempt at a Sealab game.

>>15800888

>shitty pillow shading

>tumblr nose

Sounds about right. Also, yeah, Don't Starve is a good example of a game using 2D properly.

>>15806259

Discouraging impatient amerifats from shooting at everything is a good choice for Subnautica, adding better weapons would destroy most of it's appeal. You can already kill most things just by putting them in stasis and stabbing them with your nigger knife.

>>15806333

>euroqueer is anti gun, hates self defense, loves playing as non-whites in games, and loves supporting fags like the subnautica devs

Color me surprised!

>>15806105

Hardly the only reason or the first. The reason there are no guns in the game is because one of the heads is an anti-gun nut. Similar reason the protagonist is a nice ambiguous shade of brown a la average american of 2050.

>>15806333

>Anon is European

Ah I understand now.

>>15806378

I don't really give a shit if the Protag is brown what pissed me off with the game was the sjw devs and choices for game design.

>>15806442

Too back rockcock64 is whipped now. He deleted some tranny meme he posted in reference to some speedrun autism because his 3DPD bitch told him to.

>>15806442

Rockcuck64 got pussywhipped by his gf over GDQ trannies and hates 1488

>>15806460

>>15806461

I'm saddened by this. Syncope or whatever seemed fairly inoffensive. Why would a guy like him, where his whole schtick is to tell people to fuck off give a shit what his girlfriend thinks? Don't answer that. A rhetorical question.

>>15806333

>>15806378

Despite ideological basis for not including guns in the game, the lore for why you're only allowed to have a red hot butter knife seems plausible enough for me and kinda ironic since the reason is future being shit

>yes, our Miracle Machine™ could create a gun

>no, we won't let you have it, because increasing your chance of survival is not worth the risk of giving a gun to a wage slave

>by the way according to your employment contract everything you mine, hunt and gather belongs to the company so consuming those resources to survive put you 9999999999999$ in debt

>>15806530

>ideological basis for not including guns in the game

What? The more ways you have to fight against monsters in a spooky game the less spooky it becomes. It's a question of game design, not of ideology.

>>15806461

What a little bitch.

>>15806582

You can go play call of duty if you want to shoot at things. Subnautica isn't the game for that.

>running and hiding from something for multiple hours

Nigger wtf are you doing? Just go where you want to go except instead of shooting at everything in the way, you avoid them instead.

>being able to use combat against monsters but … well into horror games

I disagree.

>>15806592

Well damn. They did something for a retarded reason which was accidentally good for the game.

>>15806627

Maybe I'm just different then, because as soon as you hand me a weapon in a game that's effective against the enemy, all the tension is gone. There's already ways to make avoiding enemies in Subnautica easier, the propulsion cannon will toss them the fuck away and the stasis rifle will freeze them for like half a minute. You don't need to kill them.

Also both the small submarine and the power suit can shoot torpedos which make the enemies fuck off (and maybe kill after some shots), though it can only hold 6 and you need to reload it from the outside. This fits your descriptions of risk and limitations except it's better since you can't wipe out all the enemies with it thus removing all tension permanently.

>>15805588

>values muh freedumbs more than good games

Is this some kind of jewish trick question?

>>15806837

fuck off yandev, you aren't welcome here anymore

>>15806859

t. spongebob memeposter with no argument

>>15806837

>admiring a man who made a streamer bait “game” that’s been trapped in development hell due to feature creep for the last four years, and has now walked back it’s concrete 2019 release date to “whenever it’s done

Yandev “fans” are approaching cult status.

>>15806878

So pretty much I'm correct.

>>15800888

Somehow the pic of celeste got less clear when I opened it to its full resolution.

>>15800888

>I forgot to add to the op that i find Dont Starve as a good example of good art Style, its aesthetically pleasing and you can tell that the devs actually cared for it.

It looks like one of the few vidya styles that I could convincingly pull off.

>>15802863

>Where the wanker tastes wine

very off but still fits.

>>15807157

>where the wiener tastes like WALUIGI

>>15807321

That would look like complete shit in a videogame.

>>15807346

I'd fuck it.

>>15807321

fuck off furfag

>>15807363

THE WORK OF ONE WHO CONSORTS WITH BEASTS

>>15807374

That's actually a mechanically sound game with an excellent artstyle, its problem is simply that there's no actual SP campaign of decent length and completeness. Also, much like Oni, the lack of versus and coop MP.

>>15807321

what is it with indies and goats?

>>15807399

>Games need versus and co-op MP

Fucking socialfags

>>15807423

It's not absolutely necessary, but when the genre you're in is fitan/beat-em-up, and the game you're directly modeled after was widely decried for killing its 99% finished multiplayer mode (that was widely hailed during MacWorld Expo floor demonstrations) just before release, not having one is probably a mistake.

>>15800912

This.

>>15806627

Nah, if we're talking about horror games, if I know an enemy is killable, it just doesn't scare me anymore. I don't think Subnautica is supposed to be spooky though.

>>15800979

Not that I disliked his post, but having an incredible eye for detail is one of the symptoms of autism.

>>15807346

Why, not readable enough?

>>15807420

>generic tumblr design barely above calarts

>character design with a silhouette more complex/with more shapes than grinning lima bean and with a decent color palette is barely above calarts

I don't know what criteria you use for "generic tumblr design" other than it being "soft furry" or Klonoa/Oneshot like, perhaps it could use better lineart.

>>15807562

>Why, not readable enough?

Yes. I can imagine that thing in motion and literally not being able to tell head from tail. Plus I can't imagine an environment besides some esoteric candyland where that monotone color scheme wouldn't look out of place in.

>>15805045

Hotline Miami was fun. Uniquely fast paced gaming experience. Fuck you.

>>15807591

It's at "concept scribble" and needs to be fleshed out more - that I can't deny. For what it is as a scribble, it's alright, but color coordination could be better. Perhaps a darker coat would be better?

>>15807750

>Here's 50 decades in MS paint as example, I didn't even add any new hues. It won't sell as many adoptables but it'll sure as hell look less shit in a videogame.

Who cares about adoptables? They got something nice going that did need a little touching up and you actually corrected it. I don't know if "all the parts of the design look the same." is the right wording, so much as "flat and two-tone".

I don't think this is really over-detailed - simple designs are my favorite designs, though you are depressingly right over how furries overload designs with too much colors/details.

>>15806878

Hey pal, you just blow in from stupid town?

>>15801492

That pic is a good example. The environment looks ok except for one noisy texture on the right, and that the seam where you see the underside of a rock on the left looks like shit. The player and their weapon, on the other hand, look terrible. It's lowpoly for the sake of being lowpoly rather than actually trying to capture a real interesting shape. They didn't try to make a cool looking gun, they made a gun with the intention that retards would look at it and say "so retro." And the monsters are technically modeled and textured fine, they're just soulless soy designs like a funko pop toy. Woah it's a big scary monster but he has cute eyes and teefs :3 teehee, woah here's a little minion with tiny feet heehee, but there's blood and gore everywhere :O

I hate it.

The thing that separated old lowpoly models and pixel art from the new is that the artists were trying to create the best designs they could within the limitations of the technology available to them. It takes conscious effort to now, with the amazing powers available to devs now, make something that captures the genuine feeling of games back then without coming across as hackneyed nostalgia bait, and rather than aiming for that and failing, most devs actually want to make the hackneyed nostalgia bait that looks nothing like the real thing did, and worse, tasteless bugmen actually like it and prefer it to the real deal.

>>15808524

That's what i'd like to do, but I doubt my capabilities. Plus, if it's anthro, it's not safe from them. I suspect some of the tumblr/furfag runoff might've once been part of halfchan long ago.

>>15806442

>ruckcuck is whipped now

>gamzerguy and darkgamer were booted because they wouldn't stop being faggots

>karnivore disappeared off the internet

>the editor went on to do lets plays with screaming retards

>the tv show was never realized

>loud house was one of the best times on the internet for me but it was memory holed and the name soiled by some pedo's shit cartoon

How did everything go so wrong, gamers?

>>15808576

Brote remains unapologetically based, even Yahtzee is about the same as ever. The one I miss most, Investig8iveJournalism, simply vanished into oblivion.

The only cucking that really saddened me was Tasteful Understated Nerdrage.

>>15808576

>karnivore disappeared off the internet

The one I will miss the most

>the editor went on to do lets plays with screaming retards

You mean Dingdong and Oneyplays?

>tfw no new Bubbafest ever

That shit was just comedy gold

>>15808637

>You mean Dingdong and Oneyplays?

Yeah that guy. Fucking sellout.

>tfw no new Bubbafest ever

It was crazy to see the kind of work that some people put into their games considering the subject matter.

>>15808664

>Yeah that guy. Fucking sellout.

I suppose that he saw the ship sinking and decided to jump when he had the change. Which is fucking funny because he later wanted to be over with Oneyplays to the point of shitting in gameplays in general, just for him to go back to the channel months later in a really pathetic way just because his videogame patreon failed.

>It was crazy to see the kind of work that some people put into their games considering the subject matter.

And that's why it was so funny, nothing but concentrated autism

>>15808576

>Investig8iveJournalism

Fuck, man.

>tfw all of the old /v/-core content creators are dead, in some kind of limbo, or eventually became cancer themselves.

>tfw nobody can take their place in the current climate, where retards who think that making content at all makes you an e-celeb, and shit up threads because of it.

I miss Fitz most of all.

>>15808777

meant for

>>15808617

>>15808758

is that Dickass Thief?

>>15801756

With regards to 2d sprites, they're not great artists so doing simple assets takes them longer than an experienced artist.

Whenever I tell people to life draw, they always state that they're not interested in going that far and that they're only interested in doing [x style]. It's true that they can draw without it, but it's going to take them longer and they won't be able to branch out easily. It's like refusing to learn multiplication since you think that you're only going to use addition. Life drawing makes regular drawing less tedious because you've trained yourself to do lines and shapes.

3D is more complex, but you can use it for nearly everything once you're finished with it.

>>15809085

No, but Weavile dismemberment is kinda hot

>>15805533

They probably will keep simplifying it

>>15810338

>>15808758

Pay attention to the timing of your motions. The actual frames are good but the movement has constant speed, which is strange.

>>15810355

>I got lazy because it was just a shitpost on a draw thread.

Yeah, alright. Excuses.

>>15810363

>Excuses.

yeah that's exactly what it is.

>>15808758

Oh hey, you actually animated it.

I suggested you slit her throat in the /b/ thread, but decapitating her is okay I guess.

>>15807478

>chromatic aberration

Did Shadman draw porn of it yet?

>>15806017

Does someone have that yandev video about imageboards?

>>15805567

Quake Engine?

>>15806017

He looks like a fucking tranny with that hair

>>15810338

Honestly it wasn't that bad, but the lineart could be better. I think some madness animations might've got me considering guro

>>15810919

Guro is nice when there's no suffering. Think Franken-Fran where people get cut up but never really seem in pain from the surgeries. It's more of a peaceful anatomical exploration of your body.

Man, I wish I could just cut myself open and see what's inside with no repercussions.

>>15810942

Years and years of yiff in hell have memed it into reality.

>>15810942

>>15811040

If they're like the kaibutsu in .flow or some sorta zombified meat monster that's not suffering or oblivious rather, then it can't be that bad, right?

Autistic fetishes comes from the autist brain getting a BSoD from something they don't know how to react to, take it from me.

>>15811091

>BSoD

what's hard to understand that humans can sustain severe damage?

>>15811112

More like the autist doesn't know how to react to something they're distressed by and instead pop a boner to it.

>>15811127

How do you explain feet, then? Who's distressed by feet?

>>15811132

>Feet

Oh that's just the brain having a fuckup and seeing it as erogenous zones. That or the feeling of being stomped on really fucked them up.

when there are no pixel rules, pixels can be differently scaled and travel smoothly across the screen in animations. A good rule is any "pixel" game that allows you to set resolution to something that doesn't match is bound to be pixelshit

>>15801900

> that ending

> them dubs

Keeping that one for future reference.

>>15811134

else.if((boner))

where the fuck my posts go

>>15800681

"Pixelshit" seems like some contrarian meme made up by cuckchan in a desperate attempt to appear "less reddit". Low skill pixel art is a lot less offensive to the eyes than low skill 3d models. Also consider the fact that gorgeous pixel art can come from one person, while even decent 3d requires an entire team usually. If you are looking for the latter option, go suck from some AAA developer's teat.

>>15812571

You're a faggot. Pixelshit has become despised because every other independent game released in the last 8 years uses it. Its a truthful observation. At least 3D models require work, even if they're bad.

>>15810355

oh hey it's you, that one drawquest anon. good stuff. I'm impressed at how you keep improving and how fast you can draw quality stuff. well done.

>>15812805

God damn with the fucking transition from FHD to UHD, Vectorized assets would be the shit. It's fucking befuddling why more people don't use vector assets in their 2D games.

>>15808777

Perhaps the term e-celeb is just one big weapon to discourage the creation of OC at this point.

>>15806017

>first pic

>that 2018 hair

Please tell me that's fake or was his attempt at a joke or something. That can't be real

>>15808617

>even Yahtzee is about the same as ever

Every Yahtzee review post 2016:

"RRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! DRUHMP SUPPORTERS! BREXITEERS!!!!!"

>>15802044

I always got a goon-y vibe from TBG, I dunno why though

rockcock is a fucking

cuck faggot

>>15813965

Well goons used to be le ironic funnyman until they crossed over into SJW cuck territory. I guess being self-hating for so long fucks with your brain.

>>15813326

Iji is a good example of what I pointed to in this >>15801733 post, where even if you can't or don't have the time to draw something that actually looks good, you can at least draw something visually clear and unpretentious.

The thing that angers me about pixelshit isn't that it's ugly, but that it combines ugliness with a style over substance attitude.

>>15813928

>being triggered over noting that the aut-right are a bunch of spergs

>>15813993

Remember pre-SJW goons were where 4chan oldfags came from, with the casus beli for the original exodus being the self-hatred of weebs that characterizes the modern goon.

>>15801019

>Building my own game.

>Downloaded prehistoric graphics programs and engines.

>Nothing works right.

>Modern art programs do not translate properly.

Old developers really were fucking Gods. These new guys are just lazy fucks.

>>15802952

Out of curiosity I pirated it and playing it currently. It's exactly what I expected it to be, that is, it's a functional if generic metroidvania sidescroller with a lot of hipster pretence in its dialogue and characters are overtly melodramatic and express their respective stereotype comedically. The game refuses to take itself seriously which never lends itself well when some shitfuck you just met goes all "boo hoo i'm such a failure" and expects you to feel some emotion. Similarly, graphics are exactly what you'd expect of an indie 2d sidescroller >2010; Most of the artwork is the ""good"" tumblr art with the main char having that stupid red nose.

Don't pay for it. Don't even play it if you have a backlog.

>>15815179

Hey, are you that one kid that likes cavestory?

>>15815179

not everyone is a furfag

>>15815179

>what stops indie devs […] from doing anything cute like it?

Different aesthetic tastes and senses. Different art direction. Attempting (and, in many cases, failing) to have a different style. There are literally thousands of reasons. You're basically saying

<I wrote this one poem that I like. Why doesn't everybody else also just write poems very similar to it?

>>15815240

Quotefag? Not really.

>>15815268

Alright, bad argument there. Sure, there's different styles and stuff, but i'm referring to the "1 pixel limb" kinda devs and such who act like their scrawny, hard to read stuff is somehow a masterpiece.

>>15815351

Why, is readability too "plebian" for them now?

>>15815363

>plebian

People of color can't create masterpieces so it's racist and un-progressive to make good or classical style art you damn white cis male drumpf supporter!

>>15815386

Now THIS is art.

>>15810355

keep at it anon we're rooting for you

So since people are talking about tumblr artstyles here

I guess I might as well mention it

Tumblr banned porn. So be prepared for the inevitable explosion of confused horny ghouls running around all over the place.

>>15816352

Misguided attempts to crack down on actual child porn that was likely getting tumblr in trouble with governments.

>>15816352

Jewgle and Apple removed them from their appstores because of the retarded 20 year olds attacking the 13 year olds ( and also pedo shit that had been going on for years) and essentially instead of actually dealing with the problem they sicked a robot on it.

The reason the Appstore versions are so important is because Literally fucking everyone used adblock because tumblr is also retarded enough to not check advertisments before enabling them so tumblr was compromised to fuck.

By the way, if you're looking for specific weird porn, better fucking hope you were using a VM

>>15816347

Well, fuck. Now I never get to see how that Undertale lesbian comic ends. Not that the author would have finished it anyway

>>15816355

And instead of fucking off to greener pastures, like reddit, they decide to kick out the majority of Tumblr. Still, my reaction is >>15816359.

>>15816362

Tumblr is notorious for making half-assed things. The brony-con ballpit and bear+cop comic "series" come to mind.

>>15816375

what the fuck could go wrong with a website that allows direct links to shit like tumbIr.com or fucking turnblr.com I mean it's just a website of essentially broken NPD Communists in their 20s what's the worst they could do?

Besides allowing code injection in pages to farm people's info and install shit for years and only ever ALMOST fixing it because someone on the Staff got their shit compromised

>>15816384

Reddit's allegedly fucked too because of their staff

>>15816436

Good, another site the internet would be better off without.

>>15816439

Their userbase is going to leak out dumbass.