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Switchbois win again! :)

I just wanted my weebgames

disgaea 5 needs way more porn

>balance mods

like what?

>>15651490 (OP)

Okay anons spread this around, I've talked with Steam Support and the refund system is not the defacto end of a refund request. It is just there so their customer service doesn't have to deal with thousands of duh just give them their money back requests.

Here is how you get your refund.

1: Use automatic refund system wait for rejection

2: Take rejection code and start a new ticket in customer service. Do not use the same refund system. Attach the reference code with a description of why you want the refunded. Be specific and be polite. Also drop phrases like Bait and Switch (FYI if some asshat abandons a game in Early access or radically changes a design you by law in the US are entitled to your money back) and explain why it took you as long to realize what was missing from the game.

I had a game I bug tested that pulled some wokeness and was able to get my money back with over 10 hours in the game. It works.

3: Deal with costumer service, they're usually friendly and will process your request with the usual do you want to remove this from your account.

4: Your money is back.

Are none of the devs/publishers going to sue NISA for this shit? In a way they're sabotaging the brands they're working on. Falcom for example, all previous Ys games have been received very well, in comes Ys 8, the newest and the one that would look most appealing to newer faggots who are impressed by shiny graphics and it's the least well received because someone is too incompetent to do the shit they're supposed to be doing for a living.

>>15651540

I'm guessing that they don't see the need to do anything about this because they don't feel a backlash from shit like this. The sad truth is that the majority of weebs are idiots who don't care about quality content

>>15651542

It's unfortunate but still.

It amazes me that a company can just fuck up this hard, this much and still be allowed to exist.

>Steam

>NISA

Its like a double whammy, you deserve what you got if you bought this

If anything you deserve even worse

>>15651490 (OP)

You got a magnet for the 5 demo? I played the 1st one on the DS and I've been interested in giving this a try.

>>15651549

kind of makes me wish i worked there, id love to get paid to look at hentai and play video games. i assume thats what theyre doing

>>15651582

I'm just asshurt that I've been waiting 2 years and counting for Ys 8 to have a decent port and translation on PC. Fuck NISA and fuck Falcom for even trusting them.

>>15651533

>4: your money is back

>but only as virtual currency on steam teehee

>>15651553

this a million times

>>15651540

NIS is their parent branch and seem fine with how they keep (abysmally) handling things as their direct western branch. NISA's meming about JRPGs and the like not having an audience on PC being proven wrong was the reason Idea Factory dropped them and made IFI (too bad they still got persuaded to hire Doerr for a while). And the fact that Experience's games somehow pass by NISA with little/no shit happening (as far as I've heard) makes me wonder if they're the main ones who continue to use them that are aware of NISA's shittiness, and do their own part to minimize it happening. Not that one should give NISA money for games they handle.

>Ys

Hopefully a one-off of Falcom working with them (same with Aksys for TX), though it's worrying how they've been favoring cheap and quick over quality. But I guess that's what happens when you care more about turn around and less about much of an accurate version other countries get for experiencing your work. And for most Japanese devs/publishers, unless the game is intended for worldwide release from the outset (and all the problems that can bring right into development), the western market is just a bonus compared to the native one.

>>15651549

I hear the frogs are very big on the likes of Disgaea (the first of which NISA didn't even handle, even ou there, thus they're reaping easy traction from another company's D1 marketing), and in PAL they used to handle overseas publishing for companies with no PAL branches; Atlus, XSEED, etc. So I suppose there's a certain amount of gratitude for them there, and even here in America you still get those "at least it came over in some format in the first place" defenders at times for the games NISA picks up here.

>>15651560

I don't know. NISA, at least modern NISA, seems to have some real spite for the elements that make the niche games they deign to (or are forced, as the case might be at times) handle niche to begin with. And I've heard their anime English scripts have been abysmal all the way back to Toradora.

>>15651596

Appreciated anon.

>>15651609

>4: your money is back

>but only as virtual currency on steam teehee

Steam has enabled the choice to be refunded directly to your bank account for a while now.

>>15651621

That does seem the case, but that's still about seven years worth of anime series fucked here that someone else could have possibly handled better (note: "better" does not mean "well").

>Xseed is fucked now.

I'm willing to give them one game leeway, but even then I'm leery, and would rather wait to put money towards anything until it can be proven or not whether they can be remotely professional on their own without Tom throwing his weight around, or if the company slides straight into the shitter. And that's assuming Sony's western branches don't get on their case about possibly risque content for Cold Steel III and IV (being out in Japan already, short of forcing possible censorship patches, Sony can only affect the western releases), which are the main games I'm left interested in at this point, assuming they are even coming west. IFI could possibly work given their ruling about no censoring games that don't require it, and that if they do, they wouldn't handle them anyhow (showing a modicum of knowing their niche in the market, their audience, and what is going to piss off said customers), but that would require them not making stupid editor hiring decisions (no Doerr-tier ones; no Bateman tier ones either), being willing to research how prior games had been handled to ensure cohesion with terminology, and people to be willing to overlook the stigma Idea Factory's name seems to have for some. And before any of that, I could be wrong, but doing a quick check, it appears IFI only handles games their parent company, or at least Compile Heart, already has had their name on to some degree, though admittedly the sample size is kind of small, being that the branch only opened in 2013.

Being located in Commiefornia like many other companies, I have to wonder how long they might be able to hold out for.

>>15651533

The retards who buy an NISA game don't deserve a refund anyway.

>>15651553

>>15651609

>>15651678

>i would rather teach lessons to fools than to those who have harmed me more directly

i always felt like strategy games made me a little sharper so whats your excuse?

Those "features" sound completely pointless

>>15651490 (OP)

>disgaea 5 complete

>missing features

>>15651734

i think you can make the hardest of grinds with the map editor

>>15651674

We alshould have some sort of update on IFIs stance in about a week, as they will have their annual press conference. I would like to see them branch out and become the alternative to NISA but they have their own share if issues, the pc ports arent gamebreakingly bad but still have some bugs and translation quality these days is just "ok"

In terms of sen3 and 4 anyone who wants to do them properly doesnt exist, as it means having to catch up on crossbell games

>>15651734

most of them are yeah, I played it on PS4 and the real big loss for the PC version is being unable to make grind maps and money maps that make efficiently power levelling shit to 9999 for the level storage effortless.

Though I assume the game is still pretty good without those things and the user maps were kinda busted but a useful QoL i guess.

>>15652039

Kind of sad when it's newsworthy that a game isn't fucked up and isn't bugged out at ass (and not even exclusively from NISA, though especially NISA), but that's the world we live in.

>>15652083

that is one agreeable loli

Is there any Disgaea games that are worth playing?

Never really tried to play though any of them before. I bought 4 for PS3 years ago, played it for about 30 minutes, then sold it again.

>>15652117

Nah they're not very good. Too much stupid grind bullshit with next to no actual skill involved in how the game's designed. Play something like final fantasy tactics or the pre-nu (Radiant etc.) fire emblem games instead. I assume this threads more about how jewish NISA is than anything.

>>15652117

If you arent into tactical RPG with grindy stuff (especially if you do the extra and post-game contents), then it's likely not for you

>>15651533

Campaign people to try to get NISA booted off Steam. How's that for a solution?

Why is the Switch the only platform getting unfucked things now?

Is this to make up for the cardboard?

WILL WE GET LEWD CARDBOARD WAIFU KITS?

>>15653038

>WILL WE GET LEWD CARDBOARD WAIFU

in smash :^)

Are any of these games worth playing? Heard the series is good but other than that, very little

>Delay it for half a year

>Release demo with the full game

>Port is still buggy

>Release it with cut content

How the fuck is this company still in business?

It's not like they don't even have other standards to look at or anything.

The only thing actually broken in pirate version is BGM loops that don't work properly and some. Vsync issues in window mode. Nothing too bad.

Tenpei Sato is the only reason NIS/A is still relevant. Character design in the games have been getting shit lately, Killia and Seraphina literally look like a copy/paste of Val and Artina, and the lolis are pedo-shit. Anyways, a game with 15-20 hours of main story content, and a 100 hour gap for any further progression in the post-game is not a good game. I realized the only reason I could tolerate the grind was because of this dude's music. There's so many other great JRPG's out there that you could play for 30+ hours with the game still feeling fresh.

>>15653684

Are you playing it with the soundtrack mod? The base game seemed fine from what I remember.

>>15653489

>How the fuck is this company still in business?

Retards keep giving them money.

How is this news? Every one of their releases features at least one of the following:

>Horrible translation

>Censorship

>Game/console breaking bugs

So by definition every NISA game is missing the full experience the original version has.

>>15653701

No, only translation mod. It took me a while to notice it but it's broken. You can try going to a shop clerk, shop BGM won't loop. You won't notice most loop issues because you'll be done way before they can occur but it's rather annoying to me when it does happen.

>>15653795

>the french

How can a nation be so evil?

>>15653829

the french just really, really love hentai

>>15653838

So why the fuck do they throw money at a leftist company that censors lewd games just because they can?

>>15653842

eating snails makes them a little slow

>>15653842

because french are genetically leftist. Don't you remember what happens in 1789? This is your last (you).

sage for off topic

>>15653746

I don't mind playing on a ps2 emulator I put about 60 hours of playtime into persona 4 only for me to accidentally fucking delete it but isn't on pc as well? I swear it was, might have been a remaster or something.

>>15653896

>t. NISA shill

>didn't even mention why those games were better

I never played three so I'm not talking about that one in particular. The old games are better because they don't have any of the crap that makes it into a casual experience. If you want to power level and hit the endgame you need to do it the old fashioned way. It's not just a matter of using some stacking gymic or cheating it with a bill passed by the senate (or worse a lazy cheat shop). The stuff introduced in the later games did not improve the series, they just make the games more "accessible" to lazy people.

>>15653906

Yep. Not the first game that has happened too. Yakuza 6 released the full game instead of the demo.

>>15653928

What if you want a game and not a job? Why does grinding in order to even be able to access the last part of the game make the game better?

>>15653930

>Yep.

Why? Why would they cut features that were clearly there when they fucked up the demo release? Did some asshole just say "Nah, I feel like being a dick. Cut this, this, and this and then release it."?

I know NISA is retarded, but why?

>>15653928

That doesn't mean you have to lower the difficulty or "cheat" to play the game, since it gives you the option to play it without any "help".

>>15653957

they gutted level editor for western release in D4 to "curtail toxicity"

may be the same reason internally because muh ebul weeb swastikas

I bought this game on console only to play it for minutes once I saw how gay the combat system is. But it was also my first Disgaea game. Are they all like this or did the game have a brighter past?

>>15654035

>They probably didn't want to host servers for the multiplayer content.

but they were fine paying for servers for every other version of the game? or is this a special steam thing?

>>15654133

Are you referring to the grid-based, turn-based system the entire series has used since its inception?

Yes. They all have the same core mechanics they have had since the beginning of the series. This is somewhat like playing Final Fantasy Tactics and complaining about it using individual (rather than team based) based turns. The lack of research needed to stumble into a combat system blindly that is at least a decade old is preposterous, to buy the game so blindly is comically foolish. And a full-priced game, at that.

However, if you don't like the grid aspect, I can recommend Makai Kingdom, which uses a range-based system instead for movement and targeting (At the cost of sometimes being a little finicky) and is generally a bit more fun, in my opinion.

>>15654154

That's the thing with NISA, they see no point in polishing their releases once it has already been milked in their prime (saying this from the eyes of NISA, not my own opinion, a good release of D5 on PC would've been perfect).

Take the case with phantom brave. In the steam release, if you adjust the volume settings to max (which you probably would since the default is really low), the next time you open the game; all of your settings get reset to their defaults. IIRC it's a bug due to some shoddy fail safe method so that the players don't set the options higher or lower than normal, and the maximum value 10 falls out of that range. This bug has been in the game since release and NISA hasn't fixed it but the community has, there's a unofficial patch you need to download if you want to play the game as intended on max volume settings.

I heard Disgaea PC has problems of its own, but I'm not fucking touching that.

>>15653928

>Make a thread actively talking shit on NISA.

>Provide a torrent for the game and a better version of the game so NISA won't get a dime.

>I'm a shill because I like a game in the series you don't.

Stop using words you don't know the meaning of.

Also would you rather tackle the same content 24/7 to feel like you've earned the few dozen levels in post game than actually play tons of different stages with many more mechanics to play with? It just sounds like you want to mindlessly grind without any of the extra features and mechanics that improve the combat, customization, and depth of the game. Even then, if you actually want a challenge, the cheat shop can remove mechanics from you so you can play a more difficult version of the game. No cancelling actions, no HL/EXP/Mana runs, every thrown person explodes, etc. Also the newer games are more tough due to enemy setups that make brute strength not possible. You can easily brute strength your way through all of D1 and D2 due to enemies not having OP skills to tackle your OP skills and teams.

Vid related.

>>15654133

>Didn't research before buying a game to see if the gameplay interested them.

>Describes the gameplay as gay and expects anyone to know specifically what he didn't like.

What do you even want people to say?

>>15653692

they actually use a soul nomad song in disgaea 5 for the item world boss

>>15653896

>What does D1 and D2 do better than D3 and above?

disgaea 1s style is that of a halloween picture book and they never really re capture that.

>>15654023

Couldn't you say the same thing about SMT4? They fucked the difficulty curve just to sell you broken level-up dlc, though with Disgaea it's obviously less insulting about it.

>>15654588

>Why do so many people consider Etna as a loli?

Because normalfags think anything with a flat chest is a 6 year old. I hate this dumb NPC meme but that's really how normalfags act, they barely think and just follow the shit that's been pounded into them from education.

How standalone are these games? Would I have to grind through the previous 4 and possible spinoffs before I play 5?

>>15654588

Etna is way flatter than Kuroko. Both are absolutely wonderful.

>>15654588

>Land of Carnage 4

Meant Cave of Ordeals stage 4.

>>15651490 (OP)

Anyone have a better download for those mods in the pastebin? fichier is a piece of shit that doesn't work even when allowing their garbage ads and scripts.

>>15656866

Yup, just remembered I could use Jdownloader instead. That worked.

Is the translation fix really included in this? There was only an "unlock" folder and the innocent mod in the standard pack. I just put them together in the game folder.

>>15651490 (OP)

wow that's fucked, wonder what would happen if everyone would know this?

>>15656930

you have gay NIS-A apologists in the reviews that are calling NISA terrible pieces of shit, but I don't think the executives over at NIS or otherwise have any idea this is happening.

We should probably start writing letters before it gets any worse.

>>15656944

>but I don't think the executives over at NIS or otherwise have any idea this is happening.

Yeah, I keep hearing people say this, but I don't believe it. It's such a willfully blind approach. You really think those Jap suits are that clueless and ignorant?

You can say they don't give a shit about the west and that that is the reason they don't know all you want, but after so many glaring fuckups from their American branch word will eventually reach them even if they were completely oblivious like many want to think.

Especially since the Ys8 scandal was known in Japan too as far as I know.

The Japanese aren't innocent angels that can do no wrong and I find it hard to believe they don't know how NISA does its business. I wouldn't be surprised if they encouraged their behavior so long as they keep milking the cows among their fanbase that are clearly still there.

>>15651490 (OP)

ended up getting switch version because of the pc fucktruck delay. and i can play it on the go like the psp and vita version

>>15654368

Nothing wrong with grind if the levels are fun and the game gives you enough tools to experiment with.

You have only yourself to blame for being bored if you always use the same characters, same weapons, same skills and same tactics every time.

>>15656906

translation fix comes with all versions of the patch

>>15657142

Gotcha.

>>15657118

>If I use the best way to kill things in a game that's all about killing things, it's my fault if I get bored and not the game being a piece of shit

Disgeafags are fucking retarded.

>>15657276

The game isn't all about killing things.

>>15657118

Why do you retards blame the players if the game isn't fun? If there are a bunch of things to use, why isn't it the developers' responsibility to create content for you to use it in? Why the fuck should you have to replay the same content over and over with minor differences to progress? Why wouldn't they make proper content for everything? That way you get a proper challenge too, as you have to learn all play styles to progress.

I'm going to quote the other guy: Disgaeafags are fucking retarded.

>>15651596

>download torrent, move over all the stuff that aren't shady links and some extra moonrune exe

>try to run game, nothing happens

>decide to try the shady exe out of stupidity

>it opens some moonrune shit

>"a trojan has been quarantined"

I don't know what I was expecting.

>>15659101

Look man, I'm far too close to being computer illiterate than I wish I was. How exactly do I know that it isn't some shady shit? Actually I don't even know what that "exe changing file" is since I rarely ever pirate.

>>15657396

You're trying to talk about a game you've never played and making up shit you have no idea about. Why?

>>15659193

You can safely remove all the chinkshit html shorcuts and chinese named .exes All you need is disgaea5.exe to run the game.

>>15659300

>Sales of which, more specifically, are really notable in France.

Did someone ever post a source to that? I don't doubt there's another reason for me to hate the fr*nch, but I'd be interested in seeing how sales from the west stack up compared to those from Japan.

>>15659320

Well, here's one site talking about how UK became second, behind France, for Disgaea sales.

https://www.mcvuk.com/business/nis-america-looks-west-for-success-as-disgaea-5-complete-hits-110k-pre-orde

NISA claim the french text support is a big plus. I suppose so, but many games come with full EFIGS translations, yet Spain, Italy and Germany don't seem to get to the same level of France. Then again, most JRPGs only come out in English there - it's only NISA pushing French in these types of games.

Guess the baguetteweebs are in higher numbers, or something…

>>15659306

>You're trying to talk about a game you've never played and making up shit you have no idea about. Why?

I know what grinding is; I don't need to play a particular game to know what playing the same shit over and over is like. Disgaea is not the only game to have grinding, nor the only game of its kind.

>You can safely remove all the chinkshit html shorcuts and chinese named .exes All you need is disgaea5.exe to run the game.

I tried that first, of course, but it did fuck all.

>>15659427

My normalfag friends recommended Malwarebytes to me once. It's free apparently (though it has (((premium))) shit, it's kind enough to give you a 15 day trial of premium and you don't have to pay for the free version)

>>15659403

>I don't need to play a particular game to know what playing that particular game is like

>Disgaea is not the only game to have grinding

Disgaea is the only game of its kind that I know of to have this amount of content. As well as having combat fun enough to make the supposed grinding enjoyable enough to tolerate. It hits a niche and of course you need to enjoy the core gameplay to be able to tolerate the deeper mechanics you have to deal with later on.

That's something to judge for yourself once you've actually played the bloody game though. That's what I'm saying.

What are the best de-NISA-fied Disgaea games on PC?

I was going to start with Disgaea Afternoon of Darkness on PSP using an emulator, but I can't stand using an analog stick to move a cursor that slowly across the screen, and all the Prinny's say "dood" in the text whenever they say "sir" in English in the orignal Japanese audio. I was told the first game was free of NISA's cancer because NISA had not been established yet, but apparently they just couldn't help but tamper with the already mostly translated script of the PSP remake of the first game.

>>15654289

>You can easily brute strength your way through all of D1 and D2 due to enemies not having OP skills to tackle your OP skills and teams.

When everyone has OP skill, no one will.

>>15659427

Some guy is going around calling every antivirus a scam, Avast is a scam, but even the most solid antiviruses are merely defensive tools which will always be at a disadvantage against viruses since every release of an antivirus is bought and tested against new viruses so the guys making malware are always 2 steps ahead.

>>15659445

Malwarebytes freeware is all you really need since the virus scanner is all you're going to use combine it with a good firewall and you're pretty much set. Anything else is just specialized freeware tools for detecting trojans or a data dump of everything in your system being cross referenced with public domain information.

>>15659427

>not having an antivirus at all?

Yes. Just use no script, a decent adblocker and don't do stupid shit. Just get the free version of malware bytes to scan your shit.

If you really want an av I've heard good things about ESET Nod32 but you gotta pay up or pirate.

>>15659455

"Sir"? What?

The Prinnies in Japanese have slurred speech. Like this --ssu.

Every version of Disgaea has the 'dood' text. And actually, it's something that Atlus made, since they published Disgaea 1 for NIS back then, even adding an extra licensed song to it: Tsunami Bomb's Invasion from Within.

>>15659462

>>15659463

Malwarebytes free is ok, but unlike the pro one it's manual - as in, you must manually request scans.

Best antivirus is honestly just "Common Sense". also ublock + umatrix on your browser

>>15659446

None of what you said is relevant to the fact that, as both sides of the earlier debate agreed on, you apparently have to grind just in order to get that endgame content. To actually force the player to grind is stupid no matter how you try to spin it. This concept is not exclusive to Disgaea. Also

>As well as having combat fun enough to make the supposed grinding enjoyable enough to tolerate.

Then shouldn't people want to play it more just for the gameplay, without being forced to grind?

>>15659568

I'm simply pointing out that you're trying to talk about a series you've never played before yet talk about problems you can't possibly know about without having played them or parroting someone else's opinion.

If you don't like the idea of grinding to get through post-game content that's there to challenge your pumped up characters and already decided without playing the game that it's not fun then by all means don't play it.

>Then shouldn't people want to play it more just for the gameplay, without being forced to grind?

Grinding is part of the franchise. It's found a way to make doing so fun through item worlds and other mechanics that boost stats to ridiculous levels on top of the later entries having QoL additions that make doing so even less of a hassle. The meat of the games is for people who like to see big numbers appear.

Again, if you'd rather take someone else's word for it instead of playing video games then by all means don't.

>>15659714

>I'm simply pointing out that you're trying to talk about a series you've never played before yet talk about problems you can't possibly know about without having played them or parroting someone else's opinion.

I've played plenty of games with grinding as well as other strategy JRPGs, including other NIS Disgaea-style games. The concept of "you have to grind" isn't some great unknown that I cannot possibly imagine.

>on top of the later entries having QoL additions that make doing so even less of a hassle.

Note that I was specifically talking about the early games since everyone agreed that they forced you to grind, unlike the later ones. That was the context.

>Again, if you'd rather take someone else's word for it instead of playing video games then by all means don't.

I don't need to play a game to process the information that it requires grinding. If I'm told that an MMO has a bunch of grinding I can very well imagine it, just like I can imagine what grinding in a SRPG made in Japan is like. But the point from the beginning was that actually forcing the player to grind to do things, rather than making it an optional thing, is stupid. This is true regardless of the game. Just in case you didn't realize, I am trying to play one of these games, but not the specific ones I was talking about then.

How good is the game compared to Disgaea 2 anyways? I haven't played any other entry

>>15660237

Play Disgaea 2 first nig, it's better. If you want more of Disgaea 2 or you feel like it's too dated move on to Disgaea 4. 4 is the best in the series IMO.

>>15660260

The only solution is to make our own games, it seems.

I'm working on a Pitfall-esque game ATM to get some skills up before I started on a Zelda II/Faxanadu style game.

>>15660237

Oh, I misread that, moving from Disgaea 2 to Disgaea 5 there's a lot more variation in grinding, and there's more QOL mechanics, but that's about it.

When I say variation in grinding, I mean you won't just be level grinding over and over again. There's subclass farming, shard farming and the chara world for character stats, also equipment. You can personalize characters more with evilities and that's one thing I like, although if you're planning on maxing your characters everyone will be using the same setup. Story and characters manage to be somehow blander than 2.

>demo gives ram crashes and runs at a silky smooth 5fps on a 750ti

>retail has broken windows 7 updates preventing play

Perfect job NISASS.

>>15660308

Typical NISA, I am not surprised at all.

We're talking about the same ones whose initial PC version of Disgaea 1, a 240p game with simple sprites and even simpler 3D tiles was a complete mess.

>>15659320

>>15659379

I've heard that when Koei brought Disgaea 1 to Europe, there was either a heavy marketing push or media promotion of the game that French were quite susceptible to. I suppose that NISA just continues to reap the benefits of the standing popularity. I'm not sure if the Europe-heavier languages are translated off the original Japanese or the English scripts; probably the latter though and thus inaccuracies are carrier through, but I can't say for sure myself. Also the factor that various companies with NA branches don't have a native PAL one, resulting in companies like Ghostlight or NISA's PAL branch picking them up for native release instead, which probably makes for some gratitude/leeway given when such other companies would otherwise deign the region not worth the effort. The "at least we got it in our language in some quality" mindset.

Apparently baguettes do have a limit to shit they're willing to put up with, but I guess NISA just doesn't manage to hit it. Maybe it's because the plots being humorous mean being overly localized doesn't stand out as much to them, or they outright expect such at this point (not that that's apt to help with bugs, unless perhaps the Euro insertion/debug team is actually more competent, but I have no clue on that), but more serious games may not get as easy a pass. From what I've read, the frogs did NOT like whoever 505 Games hired for the French translation of WA5, resulting in them preferring the existing XSEED and 8-4 English script over being politically memed on by the French script intended for them to experience the game through.

>>15660260

Going to take a number of factors: Enough disgruntled people that know proper moon and work ethic, investors/publishers that are lenient towards the possibility that no censorship might keep games handled at a higher rating than they'd like (being that they're in it for the profit turn around), and ability to still get picked for reasonably desired work over the likes of companies with large resumes that make it seem they know what they're doing, or ones that are cheap and undercut their competition. Also preferably operating out of somewhere that isn't Commiefornia or the greater west coast.

Post more Zankuro please

>>15659854

I guess you must be incredibly dense or something.

>why isn't it the developers' responsibility to create content for you to use it in?

Assuming things when you haven't played the game. There is plenty of content for you to point your attention to.

>Why the fuck should you have to replay the same content over and over with minor differences to progress?

Exaggeration until you're well into the games. Even depends on what game you're playing. Guess you're not a fan of roguelikes either.

>Why wouldn't they make proper content for everything?

There's plenty of content, you're just going in with the wrong expectations when Disgaea has always been riding on the fact that you grind to inflate your stats.

Again, trying to talk about a game you know nothing about. Just because you know a game has "grinding" doesn't open you up to all the mechanics of the game or how they make it lucrative/fun to grind.

>I was specifically talking about the early games

Nowhere in the reply chain was anyone talking specifically about the earlier games. Maybe you should articulate yourself better if that's the case. Regardless of that, you can simply play the newer ones and disregard the first two games.

>I am trying to play one of these games

Any success yet?

>>15654588

shes got the body of a middle schooler

Disgaea 5 INCOMPLETE doesn't have a nice ring to it.

>>15666309

Show me a 6th grader with that kind of hourglass figure.

>>15666342

>flat chest

>hour glass figure

Are you retarded or just pretending?

>>15661224

>I guess you must be incredibly dense or something.

This coming from the person that thinks that one cannot know what grinding is without having played one specific game.

>Exaggeration until you're well into the games. Even depends on what game you're playing.

Yes, that was established already, that the first games required you to grind to do the postgame. It was mentioned at some point (>>15653896, then I replied to the post replying to that) and it seems obvious to me that I would be talking about the grind in earlier games because that's what the guy is specifically defending (as the guy he was responding to said that the grind was not bad in later games). To quote >>15653896

<The grinding in D1/2 was mainly there for padding. Instead they've now added a bunch of stages so you're constantly tackling new content instead of repeating the same stages over and over. Not only that but you have many more stats and things to grind if grinding mindlessly is really your top priority.

Yeah, I've played games before, I know what this is like. It was never disputed either, the retard in >>15653928 just insisted that having to powerlevel to continue the game is a good thing.

>Nowhere in the reply chain was anyone talking specifically about the earlier games. Maybe you should articulate yourself better if that's the case. Regardless of that, you can simply play the newer ones and disregard the first two games.

See above. As I already specified in a previous post, I was talking specifically about the early games and calling the faggot that thinks that forced powerleveling is good design a faggot.

>Any success yet?

No, I've been busy with other things.

>>15666357

He's likely talking about the wide hips and very thin waist, a body shape that to my knowledge doesn't appear on 3DPD kids. And that's why 2D is actually attractive, unlike 3DPD.

>>15666357

>he thinks hourglass refers to the breasts and not a comparision of shoulder-waist-hip ratio

You're a dumbass.

>>15666390

Lolis are lolis, not children. Yes that's my point exactly.

>>15666392

If you're not the guy who was arguing that Etna isn't a loli, then what are you even talking about?

>>15666394

Loli is not Pedo because lolis don't look like children. That's my argument in a nutshell.

>>15666397

Wait what when did he say they were

>>15666490

reminder that anons fear being called pedos because normalcattle equate paedophilia with child molestation.

>>15666490

>drawings are real

If you can't tell reality from fantasy, consider the easy way out.

>>15666490

Why would a girl crossing the road be less pedo than the other one?

Do the mods work on the codex release?

>>15651596

link redirects to https://oload.icu/stream/640K%20ought%20to%20be%20enough%20for%20anybody

>>15666490

Why are you arguing with nobody, begone goon

>>15667600

Thanks. I used to use it but the webextensions version sucks so much that I replaced it with umatrix.

>>15667953

Also, the girl's Dakota Skye, before anyone asks.

>>15667979

Fucking kiwis get out.

>>15667953

And whats your excuse for the fact that all lolis are the height of your average <12 year old and act like a child most of the time ?

Let me guess, the lore explains that its ackshually a 14920 years old cyber vampire ?

I get if you are into the clothing style, but being attracted to a kids body is nothing else than pedophilia. Women old enough to fuck arent half your height unless they are a genetically deformed midget.

I applaud your self-restraint to not act on it (yet) but its still disgusting.

>>15668062

>And whats your excuse for the fact that all lolis are the height of your average <12 year old

The girl in the video is also short as fuck.

I have seen a girl that looked like she was 12 until she got pissed off enough to show me her ID and prove she was 18. Appearance doesn't mean shit.

>act like a child most of the time ?

You mean like real girls?

>but being attracted to a kids body is nothing else than pedophilia

So if I like legal lolis but wouldn't fuck an actual kid I'm a pedophile? Do you even know what the term means?

>Women old enough to fuck arent half your height unless they are a genetically deformed midget.

Again, see the girl in the video. It's rare but it exists. Besides, there's a porn site exclusively dedicated to it, but I can't remember the name right now.

>I applaud your self-restraint to not act on it

>liking drawings of short girls with small tits means you want to rape kids

Nice projection, reminds me of those proud feminists who say the same thing weeks before being caught molesting kids.

>>15668062

It doesn't matter if shes the height of a 12 year old. There are plenty of women who are 5 feet even and arent children. Are you a pedo for being attracted to that too? And most full grown women act like children too, so that's not really a point you should be bringing up. A lot of lolis don't even have the bodies of children. Children do not have full grown hips. Nor do they have developed breasts. That last part doesn't even mean anything. But i will admit there is Loli out there that actually resemble childrens bodies. Still not child porn though.

>>15667600

>>15667660

to be fair these japanese "shortstacks" often have younger looking features than their western counterparts who usually look more like busty midgets.

>>15667600

Hestia has a massive rack. Etna has DFC. Etna is a true loli. Small + DFC = loli. Lolis can have wide hips. Loli isn't narrowly defined as tube lolis only.

Funny how this thread was derailed when some goon got butthurt by loli even though it was only a small side conversation. You can't even tangentially bring up lolis without some SJW blowing their load. Remember to keep the focus on NISA and their faggotry.

>>15651549

>Blame the French. If the French didn't buy everything NISA shit out they wouldn't exist.

>>15666390

>An hour glass figure requires massive breasts You're telling me this >>15666369 is a pear figure?

>>15666490

>That german game, whatever the fuck it's called, used real children as inspiration

<Cartoons are the same as photorealism if you take some superficial featurse from real people and add them in

Spot the retard.

CONSENT IS THE HIGHEST MORAL GOOD

PROVE ME WRONG MORALFAGS

>>15667600

>The whole point of banning CP is because it somehow encourages more to be produced

And it's a violation of privacy.

>>15668143

>I have seen a girl that looked like she was 12 until she got pissed off enough to show me her ID and prove she was 18

<relying on anecdotal evidence

<accepting an obviously fake ID

>>15669533

><relying on anecdotal evidence

I just use it for extra, I know it's not something worth anything, specially on an anonymous image board, hence why I didn't rely my argument on it and posted the video instead.

><accepting an obviously fake ID

I didn't "accept it" I looked at it, I was just talking to the girl.

>>15668062

>And whats your excuse for the fact that all lolis are the height of your average <12 year old and act like a child most of the time ?

Lolicon is primarily a Japanese phenomenon, though the term loli is of Russian origin. Women are small, the Japanese are small, and Japanese women are very small. Asians, and the Japanese especially, have high neoteny, retaining childlike features until a much further point in their life. As a result, not only are there smaller differences between Nip children and adults, but the difference between sexy and cute is blurred, resulting in sexy cute and sexy innocence. The anime style of manga and animation in general then exaggerates these features as far as it can without sacrificing sexiness for maximum appeal to the point of bordering on pure cartoonishness that only abstractly resembles real people. All this and more are the reasons lolicon material looks that way it does without necessarily requiring an attraction to actual children.

>>15669518

>dude just do whatever you want lmao

Your consent doesn't mean much when you're outnumbered 15 to 1, and if they erase the entire memory of your morality who's to argue that you're right?

>>15669638

If it feels good, it's right, eat shit you fucking prude christcuck.

>>15651490 (OP)

>If you are still interested in playing the actual Complete version of Disgaea 5. Then find the demo and apply the crack and mods listed

That does not have any of the stuff they cut from the current release though. You're still playing the incomplete edition albeit with a fixed translation.

>>15669581

>I didn't "accept it"

Then what's the point of even bringing it up if you didn't think she was actually older than she looked?

>>15669762

I did though, since I already knew girls like that. I thought by "accept" you meant I was a bouncer or something that was shit at my job and let some underage with a fake ID in.

>murder virtual people all day

<no one thinks you should go to jail

>jack it to virtual 'children'

<suddenly cucks want you to go to jail

?

>>15670251

Pedophilia is not a crime in and of itself, so jacking it to pictures that require no victim wouldn't be jailable even if you thought lolicon made you a pedo.

>>jack it to virtual 'children'

That's literally what CP is unless you have it as physical media you retard. A virtual depiction of a real child.

>>15670297

>A virtual depiction of a real child

>real

What is 'real' about any of the loli posted thus far? And how is the difference between real and virtual of any difference than to kill or assault a real person versus a digital one? The answer is a victim who possesses rights. Virtual people don't have rights. Virtual children do not have rights. There is no victim is someone draws an anime loli and people jack off to it in the same way no one is harmed if you gun down random mook #456 in an FPS.

>>15670338

>What is 'real' about any of the loli posted thus far?

I'm talking terminology. All CP on the internet is "virtual children". It's a bad phrase to use in the loli =/= 3DPD argument. Like saying "it's just pixels on a screen", any loli == 3DPD fag can easily counter with "CP is also pixels on a screen".

>>15666490

I think that pedophilia has hardly anything to do with body type and more about their innocence and unfamiliarity with sex. I'm also certain that libido doesn't translate so easily between drawing and reality as you might think.

>>15669651

lmao this is your brain on degeneracy

Get it through you're thick skull that you're not the only individual on this planet and what you want isn't the be-all-end-all.

>>15666369

Nothing about this particular Etna is a loli. This is a character with realistic breast sizes and body. This is generally what most women bodies (especially Asian women) are shaped like (unless they are overweight).

>>15669586

if she bleeds, she can breed, anon.

>>15670674

Do you lack reading comprehension? I agree with your second sentence entirely, so you must be having kneejerk reaction to words you don't understand.

>>15670625

>anyone who does not want used up slags is a pedo

Roastie please. Nature made hymens for a reason.

>>15671323

You the gaylord who tried to prove the boob print picture?

>>15671502

>Filename

You truly are autistic. That's different image with a different figure you retard.

>>15671454

>The outline having a vaguely more hourglass shape doesn't matter.

<It looking mostly like an hourglass and barely like a pear has nothing to do with whether it is an hourglass shape or a pear shape

Wew lad.

>>15671603

>not realizing you're being used for an etna dump

>>15671522

>>15671917

loli is serious business dude

>>15653746

>Is there any known connection between the game engine or artstyle of this series and the MMO Ragnarok Online?

No, but they're both homages to Final Fantasy Tactics.

So what's the best version of Disgaea 1? I'm assuming it's the PSP release but I've read about some bugs in that, along with the lack of Tsunami Bomb.

>>15680216

PSP is the best.

The lack of Tsunami Bomb is a shame but it also wasn't part of the original game any way it was added in localisation.

>>15651490 (OP)

Pirate it.

>>15652051

Even the demo was more complete than the full game.

Disgaea 4 is the best Disgaea.

>>15651518

>try learned moonrunes specifically to avoid this

>>15660237

Inferior to it.

>>15680216

PSP. Emulate it if you have to.

>>15651490 (OP)

Still don't get why they weren't more transparent about it. I don't care for the multiplayers features but they should had mentioned if they were gone.

>>15720495

Isn't it possible to get all these mods on the official release? Would love to use them tbh.

>>15721546

>giving NISA money

Would love for you to kill yourself tbh.

>>15721536

Because NISA love to be shady fucks if they think they can get away with it and if people call them out they'll apologize like a 5 year old would then go off to fuck something else up. Just like a poorly raised 5 year old. They're trash. Bottom of the barrel. People need to stop supporting them.

>>15724069

Shut up annoying manchild. I'll use my money however you want. If I want to buy a good game, I will. Stop bitching because I'm not acting the way you want, mk?

>>15724407

Their others PC releases were more or less ok apart from Ys 8 though. Also Disgaea 5 in itself works fine. They really have big PR issues imo.

>>15724655

I want to play the game though. However I did complain to them about it. I never defended them on removing the features, but I sure am not going to miss out on a game I've been waiting for years just because of this. I'm not going to buy a fucking console just to play it for fuck sake.

>>15724663

Who said you could miss out if you didn't pay?

>>15724637

>manchild

>when he buys NISAshit like a good little cuckold

Shut up cuckold. I'll say whatever I want. If I want to tell a faggot to kill himself, I will. Stop being a bitch and take NISA's cock like a good little boy, ok?

You're a fucking frog aren't you?

>>15724668

I don't pirate games, I'm done talking with you or anyone retarded enough to promote piracy. Piratefags deserve to be gased.

>>15724690

Okay that's it

>>>/out/

Bought the game last month and didn't notice it was missing content. Is it that much content and is there mod yet to fix that possibly?

>>15724869

somebody claimed to have 10 hours played and managed to refund due to the missing content.

>>15725009

I'm having fun with the game, do I don't want to refund.

>>15725848

What's a better Disgaea game?

My friend was so pissed at NISA, he spent some time trying to reverse engineer the new file formats and published a small writeup on how it works on the Steam forums. So in theory the knowledge is out there, although he only had it figured out 90%, there was just some small stuff left that was uncertain. Could've probably figured it out completely but we refunded the game while the iron was still hot.

One other little tidbit, they completely changed the save file format. We tried figuring out whether it was possible to port demo saves over to Steam version. Not gonna work without some serious reverse engineering dedication (way faster and less of a headache to just completely replay the game). They had zero reasons to change the save format other than to spite pirates and modders.