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0acdf0  No.15621494

RUNNING OUT OF STEAM EDITION

>Pros: It's sort of RPG-ish

>Cons: Annoying characters, constant grinding buggery and endless loading

The 'Storybook' sections of this game are a fucking gyp, small incidental even alignment changing stuff is ok but some describe major actions like a fuckhuge Tremors worn coming at you after smashing its eggs and a fail roll can kill your whole party. I'd much rather fight this monstrosity in person than be told about it via a drawing and some blurb that smug little quill fondler spat up.

On seeing the map I knew time was going to be an issue but didn't expect the time limits to make the game more boring, there are huge tracks of time where *nothing* happens and bar going out looking for random encounters there's scant to do but click 'Skip Day' and wait for advisors to get their repetitive RNG jobs finished before you can improve or redeploy them. Town building is turgid and has no appreciable effect bar a trickle of BP, the capital never changes from a dirt road farm trail with an off-screen tavern, every founded village/town looks the same when you visit, 4 half buildings, 1 shit merchant and some whiny fag with a likely bugged problem.

EVERYWHERE IS A FUCKING SQUARE

Lazy cunts.

fc31d9  No.15621874

>>15621494

the loading screens combined with frequent backtrancking and necessity to go back to base (coupled with camping and random encounters) killed this for me. I was legit spending more time staring at the loading screen than playing.


b19f6b  No.15621925

>>15621874

/thread

Gameplay is quite honestly:

>encounter ankle biter tier enemies

>faceroll enemies

>loading screen

>walk two feet

>repeat until after an hour or two you encounter a major part of the story

>kill everything

>loading screen

>repeat


60bab5  No.15621932

>still no RPG where you amass a harem of generic fantasy race sluts to grind bear asses for you


b19f6b  No.15621984

>>15621932

>He doesn't know

/hgg/ would like a word with you. Unless you mean a game that isn't text based :^)


2bcab3  No.15621987

I'd rather play Sonic 06, then it would actually be more game than loading.


a59488  No.15621993

>>15621494

What a fucking disappointment this game turned out to be. Can't wait for mods to control damage this shit.


0acdf0  No.15622025

>>15621874

I've taken to automatically alt-tabbing whenever I see a loading screen now.

>>15621993

I'm determined to finish it even as it grinds my patience down.


0acdf0  No.15622117

The Varnhold Militia seems to be bugged with nothing happening when you go to check on the place in person.


c8b5ac  No.15622175

>>15621925

if this game is so shit why has it had 6 threads? i don't understand the popularity.


a59488  No.15622191

>>15622175

Probably because it's new and we are starved.

Yes, it is that easy. I wish someone who had a clue actually took advantage of it.


51e569  No.15622375

I think Linzi is cute.


a849ca  No.15622382

>>15622175

I think it would be an okay game if there weren't so many fucking bugs. The load screens are bearable to me because I'm usually doing something else. while I play.


60bab5  No.15622397

>>15621984

>/hgg/

Who the fuck said anything about porn you faggot?


b93060  No.15622398

The chirurgeon archetype of alchemist is so bad in this game. I wanted to be able to buff people using potions so I figured that was the way to go, but once I pumped a second level I realized that you can take an alchemist discovery that makes all your infusions able to be applied to someone else as opposed to just healing/status removal ones on chirurgeon.

>>15622025

>>15621874

Yeah, alt tab is the key to making this game playable. I alt tab whenever I have to run across large sections of map or transition into a new zone. Make sure to turn on autopause for discovering hidden items, traps, and combat start before doing this. Also, you can speed up camera movement by having both the wasd keys held and the mouse at the edge of the screen. Hitting m and clicking a location on the map focuses that area. Also, there's an extensive cheat engine table floating around that's got options to speed up world map movement and set hired mercs to the same attribute buy in as the shitty premade characters. There's a mod that allows you to go to the world map from anywhere too, but I haven't tried that one out. Other than that you could try running it off an ssd or even ram disk if you've got a stupid amount of memory.


51e569  No.15622423

>>15622397

>Harem of sluts

You implied it.


a51dbf  No.15622435

>>15622423

>>15622397

Porn or otherwise, you'll find those mechanics in several hentai games. Kamidori Alchemy Meister comes to mind first, a game basically about using your harem to gather materials. Pretty basic sRPG though.


a51dbf  No.15622445

So apparently, and I haven't actually gotten there myself, you are forced to use only official companions in (one of) the last area(s). So you go through the entire game with an all merc party completely ignoring the shitty companions and basing all your build choices around never fucking using them, and then you get fucked


62c11e  No.15622674

>>15621874

>>15621925

Damn, this game actually looked cool. I don't understand how you spend years developing a game and release such a buggy mess of a game with some serious flaws, that goes for any game.


60bab5  No.15622688

>>15622674

It was announced only a year ago actually.


9be6a8  No.15622774

>>15622674

It will probably be worth playing in 2-6 months, dunno why so many anons are dealing with the current bullshit.


efd059  No.15622807

>>15622774

I am waiting for this shit to be playable and mods and mod support out. I played up to past Varnhold and hit a wall of bugs and 50 hours of progress is now wasted.


a51dbf  No.15622819

>>15622807

I made it all the way to pitax two chapters later. I probably could have kept going, but I had so many little problems that I just didn't want to miss out on a huge part of the game.


d4cd76  No.15623017

>>15622807

Yeah, I just finished armug's tomb and was crowned king, and the game finally seems to give me a chance to work on my kingdom for a bit.. except now some bug is preventing me from upgrading buildings


000000  No.15623096

>>15621874

I hate this so fucking much. Especially when it's combined with such archaic graphics. Ton of games went silky smooth with zero loading time years ago.

Seriously fuck this shit.


a2282f  No.15623298

>>15622445

How the hell is this supposed to work when you can kill off almsot all of them or tell them to sod off and never return?


9be6a8  No.15623311

File: adcac9113249dff⋯.jpg (19.73 KB, 275x183, 275:183, escape from new york.jpg)

>>15623298

Because fuck you, that's how.


f1de46  No.15623312

>>15622774

The loading screen time is never going to be fixed. The game is built in such a way that it doesn't stream assets on the fly.


021bcd  No.15623314

>WRPG

>you guise liked Baldur's Gate right XD

Codexniggers leave.


000000  No.15623854

>>15622175

It has actual mechanics and quest design. It's an actual callback to oldschool RPGs of the golden era. It's also fucking huge in terms of content. Overall there's quite a bit of material for people to dig into, but if there were a dozen oldschool RPGs on the market now, this would probably rank near the bottom. However in reality most new "oldschool" RPGs are streamlined bullshit pretending they're oldschool so this game is somewhat of a rare breed, even if it's pozzed as shit, buggy, and featuring questionable mechanics while running one of the worst Pathfinder APs paizo has ever seen fit to shit out.


060033  No.15623888

>>15622175

Thats a good question, maybe its because im a masochist, maybe because i like bitching, or maybe because i've played all the crpgs and im just bored.

Somepart of me feels theres some potential beneath all these bugs.


000000  No.15624277

>>15623854

AP = Adventure Path, by the way. They're prepackaged pen-n-paper tabletop RPG campaigns.


f1ce4c  No.15624424

>>15624277

Found an old copy of my friends kingmaker AP. So at least we know the dlcs being created.

Brevoy becomes scared of your power and demands your abdication and forfeit of your lands.

Choral the conqueror is revealed to be a red dragon and wants to conquer your kingdom to add to his own, with backing from Brevoy who hope to weaken you both and fight the winner.

The eldest are angry and afraid that you killed Nyrissa or upset you interfere with their judgement and demand compensation and a trial.


d4cd76  No.15624569

>>15624424

I still think they'll leave kingmaker alone and make the DLCs entirely different APs and npcs. Too many previous plot variables to code for and Pathfinder/D&D starts going crazy town at lv15+ anyway.


0acdf0  No.15624780

>>15622175

Hopeless romanticism for the slightest sniff of something resembling a D&D campaign. If there was any consistency or progress in game development the genre would be nigh on perfected by now, there'd be so many we'd be sick of playing them but something went horribly wrong with this timeline and instead we get ugly dinky half-baked bugfests to slog through.

>>15622375

Heretic! A pox upon your house.


bfae5f  No.15624909

>>15624780

3 things killed the genre, in approximate order:

1) MMORPG & Diablo clone ARPGs in the late 90s

2) Consoles, both JRPGs stealing WRPG mindshare, and former PC devs jumping ship during the height of "PC is dooomed!" hype in the early 2000s

3) Bethesda's audience of "muh immershun" hiking-sim LARP drones in the late 2000s

By the time Kikestarter brought the genre back from the dead with amateur productions, AAA studios had completely divorced themselves from the idea of ever making anything resembling a genuine tabletop adaptation WRPG again. The fact that a series like Civilization keep going strong in the mainstream AAA market is a wild fluke according to industry consensus.

The final death knell for AAA WRPGs was probably Dragon Age dropping the PC version's more BG/NWN-like party UI between DA:O & DA2 in favor of console-style single-character ARPG controls.


60bab5  No.15624921

>>15624909

Don't forget Bioware's retarded focus on romance bullshit. It's practically a dating sim at this point.


0acdf0  No.15624980

>>15624909

The horror of it is the brain drain that saw the PC market get fucked to knock up nerfed products for consolefags and now seeing that consolfaggery become a standard on PCs, it's like throwing up on a plate, garnishing it with shit and wolfing it back down.

>>15624921

I detest romance in games, it's so alien, forced, insultingly simple and immediate, if it was anything like real life you'd spend the whole game and 2 sequels just trying to get her to stop being a cunt without so much as a handjob for your troubles.


bfae5f  No.15625001

>>15624921

That doesn't really conflict with WRPG mechanics, nor faithful tabletop adaptations. Just hire some writers to dump some glorified VN material in there, subsidize them with extra sales from the audience of degenerates you attract, and poof, no harm done aside from perhaps some extra cringe that's easy enough to ignore, especially if optional.

It isn't like the other items, that siphon off audience into a mutually exclusive genre that can't coexist alongside the old mechanics unless you're referring to Bioware's delusion they can supplant their entire audience with fujoshi.


60bab5  No.15625009

>>15625001

Well, yes I said focus specifically for a reason.


6c870b  No.15625024

>>15622375

she has big feet and you know what they say about big feet


787ad6  No.15625026

>>15624921

>>15624921

>Don't forget Bioware's retarded focus on romance bullshit. It's practically a dating sim at this point.

For faggots and landwhales, that is.


787ad6  No.15625028

>>15624980

>I detest romance in games, it's so alien, forced, insultingly simple and immediate, if it was anything like real life you'd spend the whole game and 2 sequels just trying to get her to stop being a cunt without so much as a handjob for your troubles.

Oh, so you're ugly.


0acdf0  No.15625181

>>15625028

If only I could blame it on ugly, it's more that the few I've ever liked have turned out to be self destructive idiots. I certainly have an ugly perspective that sees them as poison before they even open their mouths though.


060033  No.15625224

>>15625181

>self destructive idiots

Honestly Valerie the failed paladin reminds me of my friend. All she had to do was shut the fuck up and pay lip service then she would graduate and never see the people she hated ever again. But pride got the best of them and both made their lives harder than it had to be.


51e569  No.15625351

>>15625024

That nude layer image from last thread confirms that Linzi's dick free, this game isn't quite that pozzed.

>>15625181

>>15625224

Blogposters pls go


0acdf0  No.15625624

File: 26cddd0ebdb2e46⋯.jpg (316.25 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, walls.jpg)

'Upgraded' wall around the capital is just another wall slapped on top of the wooden one.

It's my contention that only tumblrfags crave romance in their vidya because they are so utterly divorced from IRL affection/are so fugly their pets run away from them.


0302c7  No.15625643

>>15625624

I'm almost tempted to write a romance where it turns out the "waifu" is a sociopathic liar.

I'd leave clues about this like how she changes her personality to suit yours perfectly.

Am I going too far?


2bcab3  No.15625662

>>15625643

You can write whatever the fuck you want, but it's going to be shit unless you know how to do that.


60bab5  No.15625688

>>15625643

Pretty sure a billion visual novels already beat you to the punch on that one.


0acdf0  No.15625709

>>15625643

Wasn't there a jap schoolgirl fondler sim where one of the 'quiet' girls lost her shit by degrees and stalked the protagonist, then went totally batshit and remembered meta things like the player trying to reload an old save in order to re-do segments where they said the wrong thing to her/or that unwittingly fucked her over somehow?

If people want to play shoddy dating sims there's plenty of trash out there for them to dig through without cramming them in RPGs.


60bab5  No.15625722

>>15625709

Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Ko


0302c7  No.15625729

>>15625662

>>15625688

>>15625709

Not anime Yandere, I mean actual sociopath.

Like pretending to be the perfect girl and "coincidentally" matching your personality perfectly, a trait many bipolar girls have.

And like all bipolar girls, she eventually gets bored of you and starts trying to manipulate you, even cheat. The point is to subvert the expectation that all romances in RPGs should go well and to reward smarter players who would notice the clues beforehand.


0acdf0  No.15625747

>>15625729

So you fall for the hook then realise what a mistake you've made and try to get rid of her before she sticks an ice pick in your neck while you sleep? Could work, especially if you have to kill her before she does you.


0302c7  No.15625760

>>15625747

Exactly, or she joins the villain and if you told her any secrets the villain would know too.

And the player almost certainly would have told her some secrets since she'll guilt trip the MC for "not trusting her".


0acdf0  No.15625769

>>15625760

Make her THICC/cute enough and crazed waifu hunters would forgive her every sin and walk to their obvious deaths over and over just to satisfy her bloodlust. 2B with a Basic Instinct twist.


60bab5  No.15625780

>>15625729

I never once mentioned yandere.


89bcb1  No.15625791

I'm thinking of making an archer character and was wondering how big of a difference this there between bows and crossbows. I remember with PnP pathfinder with a few feats a crossbow basically acted as a bow with the number of attacks you could do in 1 round, does the game have this? Also does the game have exotic ranged weapons like double crossbows and repeating crossbows?


0302c7  No.15625806

>>15625769

That's the plan.

I've actually got a basic gist of how the route would work too.

So this sort of thing would work best with 2 other romancable girls, for a total of 3. The BPD girl would do her best to one up the other girls and backstab them. If done successfully, she should look superior to both rival girls.

She would do shit like encourage the childhood friend to be sexually free while "warning" the MC that the childhood friend is a whore. Her "route" would be the easiest as she would almost instantly start sleeping with the MC. She would even be a decent combat/utility character to ensure more players fall for the bait.

If you don't figure her out soon enough, she steals a lot of your shit at the dead of night and leaves but not before she accuses the MC of rape to the local guards. Then she leaves to join the villain.


0acdf0  No.15625810

>>15625791

>Crossbows

All I've seen so far is light, heavy, flaming and shock at +1 and I'm at level 13.


0acdf0  No.15625816

>>15625806

>accuses the MC of rape

Ahahaa I hope the MC is looking to be on the supreme court at the time.


a59488  No.15625891

File: c0584e8bb87bfa9⋯.jpg (47.91 KB, 492x449, 492:449, Tiresome.jpg)

>>15625729

>I'll make a 3DPD simulator!

Yeah, I bet it's going to be a hit like all those indie genre deconstruction games nobody remembers.


b78c61  No.15625905

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>15622435

>Kamidori Alchemy Meister


60bab5  No.15625978

>>15625891

What if act 2 is about you killing judges and causing a nationwide beta uprising?


a59488  No.15626075

>>15625978

>beta uprising RPG

Then could work as backstory if the game doesn't take itself too seriously and goes over the line a couple times.

The problem with genre deconstruction is that you are making a game of X genre for people who doesn't like X genre. Which I don't need to tell you how good will be received by people who actually like and buy games from X genre. It can be cool the first time ever if well executed, for the novelty factor, but post-modernism has been a thing since the last century and has been abused accordingly in pretty much every field.


0acdf0  No.15626409

File: 29f322d1ddac018⋯.jpg (338.69 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, ffs.jpg)

This hoor is, suspend your disbelief, bugged.

Walk her tiny drunken ass up the mountain and she just stands there, walk out and she appears back at the transition area flickering in the mountainside.


7083af  No.15626452

>>15623854

>while running one of the worst Pathfinder APs paizo has ever seen fit to shit out.

Odd, usually people tout Kingmaker as one of the best APs. What do you consider the best of them?


0acdf0  No.15626462

Random shit killing your kingdom while you're out trying to get to some bugged drunk whore on a 3 day bender trip off a frigging mountain is a PAIN IN THE BALLS. This fucking thing is making me hate it.


0acdf0  No.15626501

>>15626462

And it's repeating, so that's my kingdom dead from, something it doesn't care to explain, the last event ended in a Triumph and no timers are near going off. What the fuck?


a849ca  No.15626510

>>15626501

The kingdom management (like everything in the game) is bugged to hell and back. You're better off turning it off and somewhat enjoying the bugged quests instead.


0acdf0  No.15626543

>>15626510

This game is a fucking quadriplegic. Turning it off 'fixed' it, what a goddamn shambles.


0acdf0  No.15626668

I genuinely believe the ratio of loading screen to game is becoming 1:1

>>15626510

With (((Invincible Kingdom))) on I now see it was Stability dropping to zero, which was entirely down to a string of fuck-ups by my retarded advisors, whom, despite being trained multiple times for months in a sate that has a solid military and high loyalty, still tard so hard they ruin everything while I'm out.

On the one hand I genuinely appreciate the full range of variables being applied, chance is the foundation of these kinds of games afterall and extremes should be expected here and there, however when you've put thought into keeping your numbers up, built your towns well, trained your gimps, stomp every problem that pops up and are trolling around for scraps of fights/missions its a cunts game that sees you gypped to death by RNGshit/shoddy programming.


060033  No.15627110

>>15625905

I didnt enjoy this game nearly as much as this reviewer did. Yet i couldn't disagree with a single thing he said.


a51dbf  No.15627206

>>15627110

I don't think he "enjoyed" it that much either. He probably liked it, but I think over-the-top praise is just his thing.


a51dbf  No.15627222

>>15626409

Why are you still wearing the first world lantern, just like having your party all blue?


34ccee  No.15627522

>>15626452

Because other APs are linear as fuck and Jade Regent is only a close second contender because it is a traveling across the world on-the-road style adventure but it has built-in NPC romance mechanics for whatever reason. So that makes Kingmaker with sliver of some player freedom and city building the best thing by default.


2bcab3  No.15627653

>>15627522

>NPC romance mechanics

Does no one realize how cringy that is? GM monologuing about how your waifu loves you in the company of three to six other assholes.


ddc4c5  No.15627720

>>15627522

Were all these degenerate companions in the AP or are they OC from the devs?

>>15625791

Crossbows in this game shoot the same as bows. There's no reload mechanic. You can use your feats for other stuff and still have what you want. No clue on the exotic part though.


0acdf0  No.15628076

>>15627222

It kind of works as a light and I figured there *might* be more bullshit mist somewhere else in the world to traverse, it seems not though.


3943e3  No.15628587

>>15627653

It’s for the normalfags. Everyone else recognizes it for the cringe it is. Last thread some anon gave his story about having to play through one of these games with several acquaintances before he noped the fuck out.


a51dbf  No.15628764

>>15625791

Like >>15627720 says functionally, crossbows are identical to regular bows. There are a couple of differences that make one worth choosing over the other however. One, crossbows cannot have the "composite" trait, which means that your strength modifier (plus OR minus) never applies to shooting a crossbow. Most magical bows are Composite, so if you have a negative strength modifier you want to avoid bows, and if you have good strength bows are preferred. Second, there aren't as many magical crossbows and what do exist simply aren't as good as the good bows.

If you want to make a dedicated ranged character, you want Longbows and some amount of strength. If you simply want your character to use a ranged weapon for whatever incidental damage they might get from it, you use a crossbow. If you absolutely cannot get at least 10 strength, you use a crossbow.


0acdf0  No.15629962

Not sure how I just realised it but I'm sure as fuck not replaying this mess.


0acdf0  No.15630067

File: ad4ca3962476b12⋯.jpg (76.35 KB, 848x478, 424:239, cunts.jpg)

File: 3526963505feb77⋯.jpg (71.13 KB, 652x312, 163:78, retard.jpg)

>>15629962

My Harrim is trash and my Regongar is so shit as a warden I'm leaving the spot empty from here on in, kingdom management is a clusterfuck of repeats


60bab5  No.15630105

>>15630067

What's the point of becoming a king if you're treated like a janitor?


13a23c  No.15630123

now that its been out for a while how kiked are the quests and story?


0acdf0  No.15630261

>>15630105

>king

I'm still living in a barons cuckshed and sitting on my shitty old chair, no-one even gave me a crown. Kind of fitting when I've only a ramshackle bunch of brainlets to delegate wrecking everything to.

>>15630123

The story is just bits and pieces linked by the grind of time, nothing really special, the big bad is being bigger badded by oldfag gods but is still insufferably Team Rocket level smug the scant few times she appears. Quests are 'go here kill/find this', everywhere is a square, every tenth thing is bugged. Some collections are missing items. The most complex problem so far has involved two people stood on different pressure plates, be still my beating heart. It's very possible to break the game with actions any player might try, such as long-range firing on an obvious set-piece enemy before they've had the chance to spew their supervillain Mwahaha!-ings at you. If they die before their mandated chat you get stuck in dialogue screens with dead people and no option to leave.

In short the story and quests don't really matter, the game is fucked, not 100% unplayable (yet) but even patched it's making a solid effort to get there by the day.


0acdf0  No.15630327

>>15630123

Also there's a few quests/collections that the player can make impossible to finish by accident or through RP-ing their alignment. Not going on the monster hunt in act 2 ruins some collections and killing Ekundayo (the nog) on sight leaves his intro quest lingering forever, there's more but goddamn I'm sick of writing about this trainwreck at the moment.


7ce087  No.15630338

>>15630067

Do the fucking main quest dealing with the barabarians and they will stop fucking up your land

>>15630261

You'll have a coronation with a proper crown eventually


a849ca  No.15630350

>>15630067

Kingdom management in general is just so pooly implemented and not well thought out, even if it somehow worked as intended. It's too vague on how shit works and is not well documented. Shit like going into negative bp supposedly affects your stability rating which is never explained. Also once you start losing stability your advisors take penalty's which means it's even fucking harder to dig yourself out of the hole and you go into a massive death spiral.


8c8cc6  No.15630357

>>15630123

>>15630261

And for whatever reason they decided to go the RNG route with a table for story telling. Honestly if you want to play a game like Kingmaker but good minus any top down gameplay elements play King of Dragon Pass.


7ce087  No.15630373

>>15630123

Aside from the fact that being a good and merciful normally benefits you in the long run, there's not that much blatant propaganda. Only thing I noticed besides the orc cuck and the 'strong wymyn' companions is that the tavern owner seems to be constantly drooling over the nigger ranger, but you can chuck that up to her being a retarded cunt


413b91  No.15630381

>>15630327

>>15630261

So confirmed the devs had no idea how to effectively run a well made dnd campaign and took what turned that into a disaster and turned it into this game? What's next, will they have the main protagonist "suddenly and coincidentally" wind up infertile so they have to get cucked in order to keep the game going?


b78c61  No.15630385

>>15630067

>putting the orc cuck in charge of defending anything when he can't even defend his own honor


0acdf0  No.15630394

>>15630338

I've done that quest, wiped them out but those events just keep piling up.


0acdf0  No.15630398

>>15630385

Only Warden candidate I had


0acdf0  No.15630420

>>15630394

Oh wait it's the warlord fag I need to off, need to get someone to 30 perception or grind BP to start that event, ho hum.


0acdf0  No.15630489

>random enemy on map at level 13

>2 fucking centipedes

>18xp


0acdf0  No.15630619

>>15630420

Actually this might stop the game dead in its tracks for me as I need to get Jaethal to 14 to get her perception up high enough ffs


60bab5  No.15630624

>>15630489

Does the game take place in Hawaii?


0acdf0  No.15630633

>>15630619

Now I have to cheat in a brick of cash, make a perception nerd merc and take him out to spot the damn tomb.


7ce087  No.15630939

>>15630633

No idea what you are talking about. You can find the tomb just by wandering the map, no certain stats needed


a51dbf  No.15630997

>>15630939

Nearly ALL map reveals are perception based. Whenever you are walking around on the world map and something shows up that you can go to, you passed a perception check.

Armags tomb is a very hard perception check to begin with, but completing projects and succeeding at a certain storybook event reduce the check DC. If you have a good party you'll probably only need to do one project though. I highly recommend that you have multiple characters with good perception, also animal companions count. The way checks work you only get one try per character per level so if you don't see the tomb on your first pass through the area you could be fucked.


0acdf0  No.15631007

>>15630939

Well my thing worked. One of your team needs 30 perception to clock it or else there's an event on the map table to put feelers out for it.


13a23c  No.15631018

>>15630327

>>15630261

>>15630357

>>15630373

hey thanks, looks like ill wait for the game to cook a bit more and probably pick it up when it goes on a sale


a51dbf  No.15631029

>>15631007

It's not that you need 30 perception. I think the check is probably like 30-35 ish so with 30 perception you auto pass or close enough


d1beaf  No.15631238

going to wait and see if the rooskies can fix their game to be playable. i've seen too many bugfinder: patchmaker games to be bothered with shitty releases.

see you in 2 years or not.


0acdf0  No.15631422

>let Armag live

>pass him outside on the way back to his tomb

>take Perception dorf gal to see if we missed anything

>here he is in the tomb with one hit of health in near death mode

>quickly gank him again

>kill or spare dialogue comes up again

>loot time

This fucking game


a51dbf  No.15631452

>>15631422

I hear he keeps respawning in there and you can kill him over and over for infinite XP, but I don't know because that didn't happen in my game.


7ce087  No.15632407

>>15630997

That's news to me. Then again, there's no reason not to have half your party invest in perception, since skill points are plenty and it's the only skill that's useful to have on more than one character


000000  No.15632513

>>15624909

-Tabletop systems in a CRPG was a mistake to begin with.

-Isometric view was required to make open-world on old computers and now is archaic bullshit (since 2001 actually).

There goes your "genre". Nothing killed it. It's just obsolete.

I did enjoy old Isometric RPGs in their time, but you know what they weren't "classic" back then and they were good not because of form, there was better writing too, that's what wannabe elitist kids don't understand now. I'll choose modern stuff like Witcher any day over shit like divinityos2, tyranny, PF or pillars.


bfae5f  No.15632541

>>15632513

>Isometric view was required to make open-world on old computers

How else can you have full single-player party control, awkwardly jumping between characters in 1st-person?


f664fe  No.15632581

>>15632513

>stuff like Witcher any day over shit like divinityos2

Writing is definitely not Larian's strong point, but the GAMEplay is leagues ahead of any witcher games, even the first one which I find very comfy in every way.


bfae5f  No.15632666

>>15632513

Oh, also I forgot the other part of this bait, namely the entire idea of isometric/overhead being developed after 1st-person, when in fact most CRPGs originated in 1st person, and the overhead tactical view only became predominant during the 90s.


18ced1  No.15633135

File: fe59fa9006a5b0b⋯.png (45.78 KB, 247x246, 247:246, fe59fa9006a5b0bc432a032a5c….png)

>>15624909

>>15624921

What really gets me is how Bioware made NWN, which was amazingly innovative in that its whole concept was that its engine was built from the ground up around modding and around giving players the tools to make new campaigns for the game, to make new entirely new types of content for the game, to DM multiplayer games in real time ala tabletop RPGs, and to allow players to make MMO-esque persistent worlds with the game - and then they made a bunch more games on the NWN engine that had all those features that were what defined the NWN engine and that were what NWN had to contribute to the medium just completely torn out.

It's a bit of a giant case of "what the fuck".


0acdf0  No.15633218

>>15633135

The capable and sane left (not just Bioware either) as the audience and medium regressed; games getting nerfed, consoles bastardising what should have been PC only titles and only the spastic retards remain with a pile of D&D resources and at best a ham-fisted understanding of how they work.

It's rather depressing how current devs are analogous to post-Roman neophyte civs looking up at the wonders left behind but being too dumb to imagine creating something even on par with it.


bfae5f  No.15633249

>>15633135

I recall NWN didn't sell very well, and most of the playerbase there was mostly just did the stock SP campaigns solo. Same with NWN2.

It really wasn't Bioware's fault.


bfae5f  No.15633280

>>15633252

Europe has some P&P history like Das Schwarze Auge, WHFRP, Engel, etc. What's really missing is a strong P&P legacy in Slavic countries.


000000  No.15633623

>>15632541

'awkwardly' is when you have to autisticly move every ebin character for 10 minutes to kill 2 spiders, pretending there's some mental process in that

there's literally nothing wrong with Dragon Dogma/ME/Skyrim party system, no matter how much you want it to be

>>15632581

what GAMEplay? combat? good on paper, shit in reality thanks to enemy design/balance. most skills are useless, so it's gets boring pretty quickly. even shadowrun was more entertaining. Any witcher is way better no doubt about it.

>>15632666

>le bait meme

who are youu even arguing with? literally nobody said anything about 1st person you massive retarded memefag


bfae5f  No.15633675

>>15633623

>completely dispensing with manual party control is fun

Yeah, Ian constantly burstfiring into my back and winging formerly friendly bystanders was great, let's make that the new standard.


a9b742  No.15633717

Well the coronation was a let down. At least I got a good helm for the sorcerer


a59488  No.15633734

>>15633623

>witcher

>game where you push a button to attack and difficult mode consists in clicking at the right time but without visual cue

>complains about gameplay


000000  No.15638388

>>15630997

You always want to max perception on every character. It saves them from being surprised in combat.

>>15633135

DAO would've been fun with co-op. If you can have one Warden, why not two? Alas.


a59488  No.15638526

>>15638388

>It saves them from being surprised in combat.

Well that explains why valerie is always flatfooted.


a51dbf  No.15639076

>>15638526

>>15638388

No that's just Initiative (which is dex based). Perception only matters if an enemy is invisible


d64279  No.15639095

>>15630398

What about the knight you meet in the prologue?

You get him with the barony and if you ask him what position he wants, he sez Warden


a51dbf  No.15639111

>>15639095

He works fine for warden so I don't know why he wouldn't have been an option. There might be quest/dialog options that unlock it I don't know about


4d944c  No.15639651

>>15624909

civ 5 for me nails it on so many things especially the super powers mod. Im trying to make world peace. Its the fucking hardest thing in the godamn game. cultural victory science..war are all easy. fucking peace is fucking hard.


0acdf0  No.15639730

File: fc7f91f7892cbc1⋯.jpg (49.16 KB, 282x316, 141:158, notchuffed.jpg)

>random map encounter

>nothing there

Loading…


0acdf0  No.15639732

>>15639095

He's dead in my game


bfae5f  No.15639774

>>15639651

It's a shame, even as dumbed down as it is, that the runaway success of their nuXCOM gamble hasn't spurred a wave of AAA TBT games.


88acf6  No.15640114

>>15633675

>completely dispensing with manual party control is fun

For some games it works. Stop being an ignorant super-dweeb.

>>15633734

>positioning, timing and applying the game's combat mechanism doesn't take skill

lele

w1 had really shitty gameplay though


5ad278  No.15640177

>>15640114

You are aware that there is an ai that can control your party members in this game, right? Turn on the option that lets it use limited spells and turn down the difficulty to where you can just watch them go at it. That sounds right up your alley.


eb0256  No.15640287

>>15639774

Did xcom 2 even do well? 1 was a runaway success purely on the virtue that its funding was a roll of duct tape and an ice cream cone.


bfae5f  No.15640333

>>15640287

It's very difficult to find hard numbers for the game's budget, sales, or revenue. But while official statements do indicate its budget was higher, most analysis (primarily based on SteamSpy, significant because it supposedly did much better on PC than console/phone) definitely show it substantially outperformed its prequel. Whether or not it turned a profit is another matter, but there aren't any rumors of the game bombing.


51e569  No.15640503

>>15640333

>prequel

I really wish people would stop misusing this word. It does not mean the previous entry in the series. nuXCOM 2 is a sequel to nuXCOM. nuXCOM is not a prequel to nuXCOM 2.


bfae5f  No.15640521

>>15640503

Perhaps, but "predecessor" is ambiguous enough to be taken for the original X-COM games.


51e569  No.15640613

>>15640521

>The appropriate word leaves things a bit vague

>Instead of constructing the sentence differently or adding more words to clarify, I'll just use some other word that means somehting else

Smart.


000000  No.15640618

>>15639076

Any stealth will do. It doesn't have to be invisibility. Generally in PnP Pathfinder, Perception is considered the most important skill for everyone to max.


80b42f  No.15640821

>>15622674

I'm hoping they'll fix this shitpile; it felt like it'd be fun if it didn't force me to stare at a loading screen every two minutes. Seriously, if you make a game where you need to backtrack often, where you need to check up to base regularly, where there's a million fucking things that make the game transition, make sure your loading times are short. Even PoE, which already caught plenty of flak for this, wasn't this shitty with it.

Also, I don't understand why the everliving fuck there are random encounters in the game. They're just cancer.

>Oh, you need to travel across the map? Have fun getting interrupted ten times by one or two goblins :^)

Just why? It's not fun, it's not challenging, it's just an added annoyance to make you stare at yet more loading screens. It's fucking shit even in PnP – it's bullshit taken from a table, something a creative DM wouldn't need to do in the first place as he'd have prepared an encounter more interesting than "you're jumped by ten wolves :DDD". It's just shit he has on hand in case the party decides to do something unexpected and he needs to buy some time, so he throws in some shitty fight from a table. You can't go off the rails in a video game. There is no DM that'd need to buy time. So why the fuck is this in?


a51dbf  No.15641308

>>15640613

And hence you get the English language, clusterfuck that it is. Though to be fair most languages are the same way.


a51dbf  No.15641334

>>15640821

Sometimes the random encounters can be challenging. Earlier in the game especially, but later if you are running fewer/weaker party members for whatever reason they could be tough. Their level is region dependent. Also if there were no random encounters or resting encounters, money and xp would be strictly finite, which kind of sucks.


0acdf0  No.15647392

1.0.10b

Holy fuck my capital actually upgraded!


64a4b6  No.15648368

str or dex?


210571  No.15648486

>>15648368

depends on your character


e484b0  No.15650084

File: f285b4d30b8ffed⋯.jpg (295.94 KB, 760x596, 190:149, Fountain_of_Doubt.jpg)

>>15639730

It's the Encounter of Doubt.


f0cc81  No.15655875

>>15621494

>butthurt edgelord detected

btw, I couldn't make out a single sentence of yours. Go back to hipster school you faggot, the game is good.


0acdf0  No.15656857

>>15655875

>bait filled retard detected

Go flush yourself lad, maybe you'll get lucky and clean the shit out of that head of yours.


0acdf0  No.15656900

>>15647392

Oh and it's buggy too gr8.

If you find yourself trapped in a location (capital is a common one) or notice the bloomy lighting effects in a map didn't load (throne room), the instance is probably fucked, save and reload and you 'should' be able to progress. Kingdom management still feels like it was designed to cut the legs out from under the player while they're out doing missions.

One tiny positive is being able to quickly camp at your shitty little towns for no cost. Also if you have the autosave on for it levelling up while in a merchants window is less of a dragged out affair.


0acdf0  No.15657520

File: fce1d2764c1bca8⋯.jpg (275.61 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, gr8coding.jpg)

Top right hand corner of Castle of Knives this pops up. The stellar work continues.


8d8826  No.15657538

>>15650084

Are you sure?


0acdf0  No.15658246

File: f8205393358f8eb⋯.jpg (236.73 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, betatestpurgatory.jpg)

>>15657520

I'm on par for 3 a day


64a4b6  No.15658266

>>15648486

pure 2H fighter, would I go dex if I'm using an ECB?


0acdf0  No.15658338

File: 470fe0d6b501e20⋯.jpg (257.85 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, durrway.jpg)

>>15658246

Ding!

Tavern backrooms in Littletown, phase through the wall rather than go through the doorway, how they managed this is beyond me considering they could have just copy pasted it.


0acdf0  No.15658392

File: 87fca1e79fc6e16⋯.jpg (55.36 KB, 382x376, 191:188, notevenlooking.jpg)

>>15658338

I'll wager is has something to do with the entry door being on the south west wall rather than the south east like the others. The doubly retarded thing there is on the map the entrance is clearly on the south east wall.


0acdf0  No.15659225

File: 880205862cd93f6⋯.jpg (44.7 KB, 892x234, 446:117, BasedJethal.jpg)

At least the dead lass is a palate cleanser after all that faggot kings faggotry.


51e569  No.15659269

>>15659225

Anyone who doesn't hate a tradtion of racemixing with orcs should probably be killed on sight, honestly.

Reminds me of some flavour text in HOMM3 about some tribe whose rite of passage to adulthood for young girls was to get them shitfaced drunk and then dump them outside a tavern in an enemy town so they'd get the shit raped out of them by all the patrons and then have to whore themselves further in order to make their way home. I can just imagine some cuck fantasy writer jerking off over the idea.


397b17  No.15659316

Anyone have a link to the game, has it even been cracked.


0acdf0  No.15659325

Just noticed Rushlight Fields can be used as a spot to change your team with no time fuckery.


60bab5  No.15659331

>>15659225

The genetics argument is always so stupid in a fantasy world where you can write steroids and intelligence boosters with literally zero downsides on toilet paper.


0acdf0  No.15659390

>>15659316

Get on a torrent search engine and ye shall find.

>>15659269

If they're mad enough to stick their dick in electricity shooting monster pussy they deserve all they get. I've yet to see a pure orc for all the chatter about them.

>>15659331

Ah but their length/strength is only as good as the casters power. If a retard got ahold of a smartass hat and ring set they might then realise they don't want their kids to have to dress up like a gypsy in order to spell their name like they do so they best fuck someone clever.


a51dbf  No.15659406

>>15659390

Also scrolls are expensive to produce (requiring materials equal to 1/2 the GP cost of the scroll), and they stack with base attributes anyway, so someone with an 18 strength and bulls strength is way stronger than someone with a 14 strength and bulls strength.


0acdf0  No.15659451

>>15659406

Like putting make-up on an ugly girl and a pretty one.


a51dbf  No.15659810

>>15659451

That gives you diminishing returns. Attributes actually have exponential returns. Take Strength and carry weight for instance. Going from 10-14 increases your max by 75, going from 14-18 increases it by 125, and going from 18-22 adds 220.


22cbd3  No.15660604

>>15659269

That is one of the most retarded things I've read. Do the people writing this shit not understand basic human traits?


0acdf0  No.15664195

File: aae5f9cf8e3ba99⋯.jpg (10.26 KB, 573x69, 191:23, vidya.jpg)

File: 1066539c3faea9e⋯.jpg (14.92 KB, 151x239, 151:239, catman.jpg)

Fuck me the loading times are making me wish for death.


0acdf0  No.15664248

File: 86946674140eeee⋯.jpg (6.99 KB, 432x17, 432:17, mindeater.jpg)

Memoryhog monster, jesus I could run 2 AAAshits at the same time and use less.


a51dbf  No.15671560

1.1 ie their first "real" patch is scheduled for release between nov 12th and 16th. If you are waiting for the game to be mostly fixed before playing it/going back to it, that might be your day.

They've also discussed wanting to do a major overhaul to the kingdom building. That might not be until the next big patch though.


64a4b6  No.15675966

Which class/archetype has the highest single target dps, I was thinking a knife master rogue


30d92c  No.15676925

>>15659225

Isn't she just saying that abandoning the weak children in town is disgusting?


c5b9bb  No.15678526

>>15659331

ideally you're suppose to pretend that not every village in the world has access to a cleric or wizard pumping out scrolls, potions and magic items.


ccdf28  No.15678977

>>15676925

She is neutral evil and knowing her personality I doubt she cares about that. I haven't reached that point yet but I'd say she probably refers to the mixing with the orcs.


0acdf0  No.15680766

File: 124f67e5b731a48⋯.jpg (242.55 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, gr8coding.jpg)

File: a88119afd97e47a⋯.jpg (261.77 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, fuckyodoor.jpg)

You van use Dimensional Steps to walk on top of levelshit


a51dbf  No.15683252

>>15675966

Arcane Trickster. I think the preferred build is Eldrich Archer 2, Eldrich Scoundrel 8, Arcane Trickster 10, not necessarily in that order.

A large part of this is due to a bug. Whenever a spell does multiple kinds of damage, if that spell is eligible for sneak attacks, EVERY damage type and attack roll will sneak attack. Buffed with Sense Vitals Casting Hellfire Ray, this class does 216d6 spell+sneak attack damage, plus whatever its ranged weapon can do at level 20. It actually gets better if you have a Quicken Metamagic rod, because you can add another 123d6 damage by casting a second, quickened Hellfire Ray that same turn.

Naturally, this this build will struggle to actually HIT enemies with all those sneak attacks. 216d6 is only if all your rays AND all your arrows hit the target, and there are a lot of hit penalties in there. Still, if even half of that hits, not very many enemies are going to survive

Also worth noting, the above bug applies to Surprise Spells as well, and there's another bug which allows Suprise Spells to function any time you could normally make a sneak attack, rather than only when the enemy is flatfooted. As a result something like Ice Storm can instantly kill entire groups of enemies with multiple Sneak Attacks and no save/hit roll required.

Also I haven't tested this personally, but knowing how this game works Maximize metamagic (as with a certain robe that allows infinite use of maximize on spells up to level 6 because more bugs) PROBABLY applies to the spell sneak attack damage as well.


a51dbf  No.15683284

>>15683252

Note that even if the bugs are fixed, MOST of that damage is legit. You lose 1 sneak attack per heallfire ray (3x13d6), one ranged attack (turn off Ranged Spellstrike) and the sneak attack associated with that ranged attack. So you still do 45d6+(13d6x3)+6xranged+(13d6x6).

The reason you would need to turn off Ranged Spellstrike (or drop a level from Magus), is because when using Ranged Spellstrikes your spell damage is treated as part of your ranged attack. With sneak attacks, this means that the combined spell+shot can only sneak attack once in total. Furthermore, any rays beyond the first are attached to pre-existing shots. As a result you get 9 sneak attacks with Spellstrike Off, but only 7 with it On. At least, that's how the tabletop rules work. In the game, that shit's broke too.


0acdf0  No.15689667

File: 01df66b3c10ad2c⋯.jpg (183.22 KB, 1360x763, 1360:763, ded.jpg)

File: 3d16224fa437f5f⋯.jpg (12.38 KB, 204x146, 102:73, ifn.jpg)

>Pitax constantly mentioned as place of bigbad

>a gr8 city anon

>King Fag lives there

>"Finally an OTT city, somewhere to trade high end shit, maybe an arena and some rich toffs to do missions for…"

Pics related.

West exit leads to the docks with 1 trader who has ONE FUCKING BOOK and a tavern (with shit inventory) where you can't stay. Southeast exit leads to the Academy which is closed/has nothing to interact with bar some shitmouth noble and the top one exits to the empty palace where you can do nothing once robbed and the 'Kill king faggot' mission is done. Can't rest anywhere in the 'city' without camp/rations. Pitax is a shit.


0acdf0  No.15689680

>>15689667

Upon leaving and returning there's now some 'citizens' standing around. What a stunning transformation, also Ocatavia's mother was nowhere to be found this whole area feels rushed/unfinished.


0acdf0  No.15689728

File: 021f9ff75df4f2a⋯.jpg (266.31 KB, 1360x768, 85:48, pissaxe.jpg)

>>15689667

Another swell job done on the entrance screen for Pitax which is as clear as mud.


64a4b6  No.15699650

File: 149484cf2fd8c0f⋯.jpg (38.94 KB, 634x471, 634:471, download.jpg)

Don't believe his lies.


64a4b6  No.15699697

>>15683252

>>15683284

How can you reliably increase your attack roll then?


0acdf0  No.15699872

File: 9274609327b9704⋯.jpg (4.24 KB, 209x34, 209:34, mutt.jpg)

>>15689667

It seems the last place to buy anything high end is Rushlight Fields, I only had 30 grand on me when I got there and now its forever closed while I sit on the lions share of a million g.


0acdf0  No.15699932

File: 14d75ef100a180e⋯.jpg (26.6 KB, 602x132, 301:66, brokenshit.jpg)

I keep getting this shit when there's never been a formal war, too late now anyway there's no-one to wage one, Ivroetti is dead the region has been annexed and all the Pitaxian fags swore loyalty to me, there's only about 20 people in the whole place.


51e569  No.15699975

File: beb2dc94399d57e⋯.jpg (40.11 KB, 376x388, 94:97, 1524068914.jpg)

>>15699872

>Literally


0acdf0  No.15700132

File: ed2541519978cad⋯.jpg (13.85 KB, 186x209, 186:209, smcubajust.jpg)

>>15699975

I just got my 8yo nephew to stop doing that, he moved on to 'obviously'.




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