/v/ - Video Games

>>14180985

but the soliton radar was fun

>>14180985

>not wanting to sell a minimap DLC for $4.99

>>14181004

>minimap DLC for $4.99

>quest markers on the map for $2.99

>map rotation for $0.99

>elevation indicators for $0.99

>or buy the minimap-pack for just $8.99

>>14181004

>>14181017

Please stop. Everything /v/ anons makes fun of becomes real sooner or later.

>>14180902

>not writing the thread title

you had one job you fucker

>>14180985

Yeah I do have a minimap, actually. It's a useful feature. I'm sure everyone will enjoy playing your nonexistent game with a nonexistent minimap.

>>14181142

Damn, that looks so good.

>>14181077

I've made similar experiences when trying to work on projects with others. I came to the conclusion that if there is no money or contracts involved, there is a 95% chance of the team breaking apart. Probably because not everyone is an unyielding ultra autist like many /agdg/ anons are. Maybe they didn't expect the amount of work or don't understand that we're as hard on ourselves as we are on them. Anyways, i've decided to work solo until i have enough money to pay a team or share the profit.

MoM anon here, and I was waiting for a the new thread to post this, since I got some news for all yall!

THE MEMOIRS OF MAGIC DEMO WILL BE DROPPING ON THE 29TH JAN 2018

The demo itself will feature the first 1/5th of the game (3-5 hours of gameplay!), all 6 playable characters with 8 player Coop up and running, so you should have a pretty good idea if you like my game or not based on the demo!

I was wondering, despite me releasing my demo earlier then the Demo day thing, I could still include MoM within it?…

Also, this video showcases the final changes to the Mages signature weapons. He uses elemental bouncing balls now which have a variety of effects!

>>14181250

More like you don't have enough pixelshit content to warrant including one.

>>14181209

ty

>>14181250

Shading is a bit tricky in 3/4 perspective because both Y and Z dimensions share the same exact axis. This makes differentiating between height and depth very tricky sometimes. An easy way to cheese it is to make things that are elevated brighter than things that are lower. My goal is often not so much to mimic reality as much as it is to convey the perspective of the game world. The main light source is overhead, but ideally slightly to the south. Hence why leading edges are highlighted.

I think the flatness is probably more caused by how the darkest color of the sprite is a significantly lighter shade than the background, making it seems like it's shallower than it seems. I think it should probably either be the same color as the BG or be transparent so it looks more ethereal/spectral. I think the cape as you've drawn it also makes a bit more sense than as it is now if the light were overhead, and would be better if the lightest color highlighted the most vertical facing portion of the cape.

>>14181324

It's a two-bit imitation of something cooler.

>>14181359

yes it would be hard to do fucking anything if you're a noob.

Learn C++, it's not that hard unless you're a turbotard

>>14181096

Fuck, you're right. Sorry about that.

>>14181312

I doubt anyone will mind if you include a demo you released a few days early, but why not just push back your demo release?

>>14181359

Ape Escape is not too hard programming wise and could probably be done entirely in blueprints, but if you're a newbie you'll most likely have a ton of trouble generating the amount of models and animations that a game like Ape Escape needs.

>>14181375

Fuck blueprints, don't even recommend that shit to anybody. The spaghetti they produce aren't worth fucking with unless you're doing a highly logical, repetitive simple linear task like UI.

>>14179624

>The game i am working on is pretty basic

>proceeds to write a 5 lines paragraph

>>14181359

why the fuck would a novice start with UE4 instead of Unity?

UE4 is for professional teams or very very very experienced individuals

*saging because I reply as I read the thread and end up making consecutive posts since AGDG threads are slow**

>>14181407

I started with UE4 and it taught me a lot of things, albeit with very tough love. You have to be stubborn to learn things in UE4, but then you won't have to deal with learning two different engines.

>>14181374

>Learn C++

I probably will to be honest..

Thing is though i'm especially shit at (geometric) algebra and math, so it might take me like 2 years to learn how to write basic code and that worries me tbh.

>>14181407

because unity has a terrible reputation and if i'm already spending so much time learning, i'd rather go for c++ than c#

even if i started with unity i plan on moving to UE4 anyway so might aswell start with UE4 right?

>>14181375

>but if you're a newbie you'll most likely have a ton of trouble generating the amount of models and animations that a game like Ape Escape needs

I figured out how to use Blender and make models so that shouldn't be an issue. All i'd have to learn is how to weight paint properly and make animations, ez

>>14181375

I wanna release the demo on my birthday

Also, question; how does one go about including a demo for Demo Day?

>>14181434

udk4 is not that bad.

But you will need the power of autism to make a gameplay prototype, there are worse things to start off with like cryengine that one actually gave me a minor headache back when the modding for cryengine 2 was a thing.

If not you could always just go to udk 3,5 if you know how to use it, that is. Also GDC talks are you're friend with tutorials.

>>14181588

You just post it on here and on the wiki, its not very formal

>>14181235

>95%

Sounds about right. There are exceptions (otherwise big mod projects wouldn't be a thing), but exceptions are exceptions.

My primary concern is that I'm running out of time. I want to get a demo going within the next half year, because that's when I get my bachelor's degree in CS. I can program, I can model (albeit "only" hard surface modeling), I can texture and I can write. But I can't do everything on my own.

>>14181312

I'd like to hype in your audience hole alot tbh

>>14181359

ape escape quality laid in it's controls and more over it came from a time where there was a shift from controllers without analog sticks to ones with analog sticks. that was the games magic

>>14181891

>I'd like to hype in your audience hole alot tbh

W-What does that mean, a-anon!?

whats the best place to talk about these stuff though?

- this thread

- the agdg board

- hgg version

>>14181969

>these stuff

which stuff?

>>14181996

game development….

>>14180985

It would be more fun to have a regular paper map that you can mark things on and also a magical item that tells you the way in a very general way like Shadow of the colossus does.

Really makes you think.

>>14182050

depends on your objective with the discussion

>I want to ask a development question because I can't seem to get this feature right

Conceptually: it might be better here

Programming issues: It might be better on stack overflow or whichever more specific forum you can use, like Unity/Unreal/Godot/etc Forums. But you can still get an answer here nonetheless, faster but not as often

>I want to post long term development updates on my game

/agdg/ board, make a thread for your game, though it's nice to see progress here too

>This great idea I want to share with everyone because I think it's so cool

reddit

This is a more extensive topic than I have previously thought, you will have to be more specific to get a more specific answer

Demo day is just TWO WEEKS away

Also tfw Notch

https://twitter.com/notch/status/953899051128418305

>>14182331

Did he make 4K runescape?

>>14181359

I'd hate to imagine the controls for K&M

>>14181957

it means my hype would over flow in your quivering demo

>>14181077

sounds like overblood

skip to 1:13

>>14182331

call me when he have fluid water and a gameplay that can account for that. Otherwise it's just minecraft with better graphics

viewrage is cool, but viewrange is not fun

if viewrange and performance is all that's new, then it's just 4k HD minecraft

>>14181434

>because unity has a terrible reputation

there are many good reasons to not to use unity but this is not one of them

>if i'm already spending so much time learning, i'd rather go for c++ than c#

when learning to program you are not learning a language, but the concepts, so pick a language that needs you to learn the less in which you can learn the most, once you get comfortable switch for something that holds your hand less.

>even if i started with unity i plan on moving to UE4 anyway so might as well start with UE4 right?

I'm sure that everyone that tried ride a bike before a bicycle disagrees

>>14181437

>I figured out how to use Blender and make models so that shouldn't be an issue

wrong

>All i'd have to learn is how to weight paint properly and make animations

you soon will realize that rigging and animation are disciplines so complete that people go pro by choosing either and nothing else

>>14182987

maps are ok, and useful (read: necessary) for convoluted, random generated maze levels. By the way, I can program and 3d model/animate and I'd like to work on your game. You never replied in the last thread.

>>14182331

What if he made Minecraft 2 and it attracted twice the autism and money

>>14182987

The map itself is good, the problem is the minimap. It' a bit hard to tell what are doors and what are walls.

>>14183059

You did? huh. So what was it?

>>14183059

>>14183083

Nevermind I just read it.

>>14183008

he would shill it first on 4chan and reddit first

>>14183140

Why would he do that if he's already just short of 4 million followers on Twitter? The only thing he needs to do to market his game is post about it on his Twitter

>>14183225

and then others would shill it for him, yeah that's sensible

>>14182987

The moment when the map perfectly overlayed the walls was neat as fuck.

From what I remember from the original article which is now behind a paywall, it's not that maps themselves are bad, it's games that don't require you to think about our surroundings and navigate on your own. Basically games where you can brainlessly go from A to B, so all corridor shooters and games that have GPS quest marks. While Diablo-like automap generates the map for you, the player still has explore and find the way through the maze on their own, so it's hardly brainless.

>>14183059

why some walls are dicks?

>>14182867

Here's how they do destruction. I don't know how low spec your going so I don't know how possible it is to do this for a low spec PC.

>>14182987

As an idea, Path of Exile added an "expanding frontier" that basically showed a blobby region where you haven't explored yet

>>14183450

I have a radeon 4870 and a q6600, haven't watched the whole video yet but I feel it's unlikely

>>14182113

I guess I should be more clear indeed,

I want to revive a defunct project of mine which is basically an hentai game

/hgg/ would be a suitable place, but on my experience, its dead with basically only brain dead newfags joining in to give input and contribution

this is why I thought of, guess the /agdg/ board would more suitable to have a permanent thread,

with this thread for occasional checkups and for when I have troubles,

I use godot too, and in the past they irc was the only place to get help, glad to see anons here also like it

>>14183642

he'll produce something shit as well as give up after awhile tbh

>>14183656

I just read his Twitter and apparently he's writing this shit in Javascript. I am safe for now.

>>14183658

yeah he only really knows what he knows and isn't willing to venture into newlands. he's been with the same projects for such a long time and gotten no where with them

>>14183665

I remember reading on his old personal website that he did program in C++ once but hated the syntax.

>>14183665

Eh, I don't know, man. He's got money coming out of his asshole, and he likes doing what he likes, I guess. No harm in it. I feel like I can't really shit on the guy because he made 2 billions of dollars simply by being his autistic self, and he's still the same autistic man he was when he made Minecraft.

>>14183696

> he's still the same autistic man he was when he made Minecraft

Which is rare.

Money and wealth usually turn people into assholes or expose for being an asshole the entire time.

>>14183642

Tell him your pet project happens to be the same, and ask for a job.

>>14183689

wew

>>14183696

right so don't worry about things tbh

>>14183728

well tbh I'd imagine alot of faggots who think they have a claim of your wealth just because they did some work for you or some other little thing as such as give you an idea of something and dealing with those kinda fuckers all the time would turn someone into an asshole, not to mention the amount of conartists trying to swindle you to invest in their latest pocket lining scheme

>>14182977

>Dithering

He basically said it was for "aesthetics", but he's making other shaders right now, too.

>>14183642

>>14183733

>Tell him your pet project happens to be the same, and ask for a job.

Best case would be to make your own shit anyways, tell him he's inspirational etc., and hopefully get him to give you a shout out.

5 minutes of him shilling for you can probably do tons more than working for or against him, in the long run. At the very least, it would decouple each of you from being accountable to each other

>>14180985

Having minimap or radar really depends on the game. They are just fine if they serve some other purpose than a crutch for poor design in levels/world. In RTS they serve to turn the focus of the game in to strategy, and some fps games focus on blip radar as a core mechanic.

>>14183733

Fuck that. This isn't just a pet project, it's something I'm going to see through and will release commercially.

>>14183765

I doubt he'd give me a shoutout. I remember him saying that he hates the waves that Minecraft made, and despite the fact that the game I'm making is my "dream game" from when I was like 9-10, I'm sure he'll see it as a copycat.

This looks kinda neat

https://www.puzzlescript.net/

>>14183728

He IS an asshole, just the right kind of asshole.

>>14183642

>>14183882

Nobody's going to make the game you're planning, believe me. I got scared when Elite:Dangerous and Star Citizen were announced, only for them to focus on weird stupid shit. Only you can think of the game that's in your head, even if something looks similar at first. Also don't bother writing to him, he must get thousands of messages daily.

>I'm sure he'll see it as a copycat.

Who the fuck cares about that, you do you. Minecraft itself was a copycat.

>>14183979

>somebody made an HTML5 puzzle game engine

Fucking why.

>>14184304

Probably because it's an easy way to deliver simple gameplay

>>14184419

I meant it more in the sense of why would someone put so much effort into making that?

>>14184477

Probably a fun project, if you're into webdev.

>>14184477

Javascript has the supernatural property of enslaving every js developer to create every possibly imaginable inane bullshit in it. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a js raytracing renderer or a js operating system at this point.

You ought to ask the OPs what are generally faggots and advertisers. I'm just playing Mountain Blade War Bad. It is becoming not humerous for my existence. Like new vidya is required. Attenpting to learn them the game, but they will foever be a bunch of coolies. Yellow or not.

>>14184536

> google js raytracing

>get tons of different projects

I don't even dare searching for OS

>>14182987

> standalone release on Steam when?

You know whats funny?… a lot of people have been asking me if Memoirs of Magic would be on steam. Surely its not possible to get a free Doom Total Conversion on steam, right?

>>14184567

>search for js OS anyway

For fucks sake, they did it.

>>14184567

<google

I'm going to find you and throw a swan at you.

>>14184580

I might deserve it

>>14184588

Those digits speak for what is necessary. I am sorry, anon.

>>14184575

As long as you pay the fee, goy

>>14184637

I was merely talking within the context of his Minecraft 2.0.

>>14184716

The double pixel thickness isn't a very good look.

>>14184716

But why would they give them boobs?

>>14184746

The drafting team was very lonely.

Does anyone know of any good analytical content when it comes to RPG/JRPG battle systems? I want to design such a system for my game and I've been playing and taking notes on other games to get a feel for what to do and what not to do, but I'd like to hear other ideas as well.

>>14184716

It still lacks definition, too many large blocks of the same color

>>14184716

Are you working with anatomical references? Every body part seems to be drawn from a different angle, and the stance seems unnatural.

>>14184755

Just steal from Final Fantasy :^)

>STR * POW, +/- 12.5%, divide it by DEF/16, maybe add 10 to the final value

All their games do this shit to some variation.

Actually, check GameFaqs, there's usually an autist who's decompiled a game into raw numbers and mechanics. It's a handy resource

>>14184792

It's the legs right? They look strange but I can't for the life of me figure out how to get it to seem natural. I didn't use any references for this one, I just roughed out a female shaped and worked from there.

>>14184792

He's going for that Picasso inspired art style.

>>14184751

Anon this is gold, thank you.

>>14184802

I'm not too concerned over calculating damage values or encounter rate, as that's just part of balancing and just takes time and a bit of effort to get it right. I'm more referring to how different RPG's implement their turns, or the overall flow of an encounter. For example, you could divide most RPG's into two sets: static turn-based queues or expandable turn-based queues. Static turn-based queues are like Final Fantasy, the turn order is determined by speed, and the only way to alter the turn order of the queue is to remove an element (a party member or an enemy is killed). In this kind of turn system your main goal is damage control, where you have a finite amount of turns to do it. An example of expandable turn-based queues would be something like the Persona series or Megaman Command Mission. In those games the turn order is still determined by speed, but you have the option of expanding the turn order by landing crits in Persona or stacking Hyper Modes MMX:CM. This gives you flexibility to play even smarter and damage control to a point where you might win a battle without taking any damage. Conversely, in Persona at least enemies can also use these systems so they can wreck your shit if your not careful.

There's also games like Resonance of Fate where they try and squeeze some free-camera action stuff into turns, which is interesting. I'm hoping to understand what makes these games work and change them in a way that's really cool for such a mechanically stale genre.

>>14184816

They're not right at all. One, the hips are drawn at a strange angle - directly facing the viewer, when the legs look like they're supposed to be angled at 45° or so. Two, the legs have no definition at all, there's nothing that suggests a knee joint or a separation of upper and lower leg even exists. Three, the legs are too close together and in particular the front leg should be more forward. Four, the feet should not be facing the exact same direction. They're angled 30~45° apart in a natural stance. Just try to stand like that yourself, maybe in front of a mirror, and note how you're standing and where your legs are and you'll see they're nowhere near the way you drew them.

>>14184928

> Static turn-based queues are like Final Fantasy, the turn order is determined by speed, and the only way to alter the turn order of the queue is to remove an element (a party member or an enemy is killed)

But that's not right either, because they used a charge bar for their actions. If you changed to a different party member or delayed actually doing anything, then it would change the effective order. Some games pause while the menu is open to disable that behavior, too.

FF10 was a great example too, because certain actions could delay or alter the turn order

Also holy fuck, C# is .. something

>Finally move from XNA to FNA because open source and doesn't use fucking Windows Media Player to play sounds (incorrectly)

>Needs like 14 dlls to work (which are all thankfully unofficially gathered in a .zip for me to use)

>create a project path and reference path with "[root]/data/dll/" as a folder that contains the orgyball of 3rd party code

>only copies the main FNA.dll to the root folder, others failed to be found (even though FNA and all of them were successfully copied to the correct subfolder)

>find out that it works if I copy all 15 of them to the root

>this is ugly and not minimalistic and looks like a fucking cluttered mess

>turns out I can reference the subfolder with a fucking .xml file attached to the exe in the root folder

I don't want a config file beside my exe. I just want it to look in a folder for a particular dll set, how is this so complicated

>>14184961

Final Fantasy 1-3 didn't use the ATB system. But you're right; even the FF series did shake up it's turn based mechanics from game to game. Personally I think Bravely Default shook up the formula the best, giving the player the choice to build up a turn surplus or debt was pretty cool and allowed for some nice strats.

>>14184975

You sure that C# and not the API's you're working with?

>>14184999 (checked)

Yes, because there's lots of documentation about how to create said manifest/config file on both MSDN and SO, but it looks goddamn ugly.

I basically want to have only my exe in the root, maybe a readme or .chtml file, and then a data folder with all my assets

>>14184975

Just use MonoGame

>>14185078

FNA is a more lightweight and open source implementation of XNA. Pretty sure Monogame doesn't support WinXP, either.

>>14185082

MonoGame is open source as well and supports XP (though I think you need to find an IDE that supports both MonoGame and Windows XP).

>>14185107

Man, pixel art is fucking tough. No wonder indies just make blocky flat shaded 3d models.

>>14185157

Is that an Israeli FAL?

>>14185161

why yes, how did you know?

>>14184975

>install monogame once

>create visual studio solution once

>zero problems

C# is shit, but if you're going to use anything XNA related why you wouldn't use Monogame is beyond me

>>14185097

Isn't LIKO a pico 8 clone? How is it

>>14185219

My issue stems from C# use in general, not specifically XNA or other framework

>>14185234

Never used C# but surely the language isn't limited to requiring all dll's to be in the same folder as the .exe?

>>14185240

I can drop a particular .xml file in the same folder as the .exe without changing the compiled code, and it suddenly works by pointing to the correct subfolder. I don't want to rely on an .xml file to do so.

>>14185256

> rotated pixels without AA

thas rite

>>14184975

That has nothing to do with C#, dumbass.

>>14185256

That hud has, unless I'm mistaken, three different sizes of pixels, as well as blurred text which looks like nigger aids at that resolution.

The way the rotating pendulum is implemented looks strange too. I can't tell whether you're using NN when rotating the sprites or not, but it looks bloody weird. If you are and it still looks like that, consider only rotating the rope-looking-part of the pendulum and just merely moving the bottom part in sync with it, without actually rotating it.

>>14185289

How come applications can have a /lib folder but I can't?

I'm trying to figure this shit out and it's common enough that it happens with Visual Studio, C# or C++. I just want to make a fucking game

>>14185298

Nah everything is being rendered at a low resolution then scaled up. Many elements of the HUD were designed at a different resolution early on(which is why they are distorted and the text is blurry) and I just have been too lazy to change them so far. Just carry over stuff. I'm not sure what you mean by NN though? I just pivot the sprite around a point right now. The most basic implementation that I could think of.

Also, looking at the final video again, its not very crisp because I had to hack the source video to pieces because 8ch wouldnt let me upload the original webm. I got sick of fiddling with it and shrunk it down in gfycat. Anyone know why it wont let me post webms? I thought the size limit was 16 mb or something.

>>14185315

NN means "nearest nigger"

>>14185324

Oh right. Well to be honest I dont know. I only have like two or three objects in the entire game that rotate. All I've done is render to a low resolution. I haven't done anything personally to control anything like that as of now.

>>14185256

The NN rotation looks great to me, but the fact that that the pendulum has the lighting drawn on is weird when it rotates. I suggest doing what the other anon said and have the actual platforming move with the bottom of the rope as a separated piece. If you can stomach the math

>>14185448

Oh I see what you mean with the lighting. That doesnt sound hard at all actually. I just need to split the sprite since currently its one piece.

>>14185253

the filename says it

>>14185280

>It's FOSS but not finished, but it has less autismal restrictions which was really appealing

How have I not heard of this? I loved making shit games with the pico8, having one that gives you more space to work with while retaining the same aesthetic sounds great.

>>14185769

I saw that after the fact.

>>14185384

Like pottery

I've been told to use Love2D and learn Lua to make my project come true: a very lengthy metroidvania.

But I don't know coding, so I'm here asking where do I begin. You are far more experienced than me so maybe you can game me hints or tips on Lua and Love2D

>>14185902

generic advice: your first few projects will fail no matter how much you try, have fun with it

>>14185902

I still dont get Lua but ive been trying to learn it, slowly. Its a very simple and extensible language and basically lets you assign any data or behavior to objects. Love2D seems very sleek and organized out of the box and it just works

https://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/

Also I looked at this because I was on a Python research mode, and … I was surprised. Lua itself is slower than Python. Java is half the speed of C, and C# is somewhere in the middle. Javascript is faster than Python and Lua surprisingly.

That said, ease of use is a huge factor, as is distribution and available libraries. Don't implement a game in C when you'll spend years making fratures that are out of the box in other languages, the effort isnt worth it.

In particular I was looking at the Fannkuch-Redux tests, which were the slowest and involved repeated flipping of digits

>>14185941

lmao sad shit.

Maybe I will do a Kirby Pinball clone first so it can fail, and then do my beloved metoidvania

>>14185948

Can I learn Lua without knowing how to code? It will be my first language. Maybe can you recommend me a book to get or a PDF to download? Thanks in advance

>>14185973

Make an even simpler castlevania or mario clone. You can muck around and learn how to handle basic platformer stuff. Or you can do the classics like pong, breakout, or that gorilla game.

The most important thing is logic, and understanding why things work a certain way, as well as how to solve your errors

>>14185980

I will go for the castlevania clone to warm up. My only experience devving was that one time that I picked up construct 2 and made a platformer with one level with Koopas on it; when I jump on them, they became shells and fly down the screen.

So actually learning a language will be a big step for me. I'm lurking for Lua books or documents rn. This shit is happening.

>>14185962

This is extremely misleading because they used the PUC-Rio Lua interpreter instead of LuaJIT, which has both an interpreter hand-written in assembly language and a JIT compiler that are (or were the last time I checked a few years ago) considered the best of all dynamic languages by far, yet they used node.js (which uses Chrome's optimized interpreter and JIT) for Javascript.

>That said, ease of use is a huge factor, as is distribution and available libraries.

Ironically this is the main flaw of Lua. The standard library is tiny and the library ecosystem isn't really there. I eventually abandoned the language because of it. If I was going to have to write everything myself, I would rather do it in C.

>>14186066

I had thought to mention LuaJIT, since I heard good things about it before, but didn't know much.

Oh yeah, also, how is Rust?

Is it free and open source? I've seen it compared to basically "C++ but better", and apparently it runs well

>>14186139

Anything is better than C++.

>>14186168

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge

>>14184575

>Surely its not possible to get a free Doom Total Conversion on steam, right?

people asked that question and source ports have been tryign to address this.

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=56021

http://archive.is/6pr3v

http://archive.is/vseSQ

Steam would let it pass, they only care about the money (100 USD release fee, if I'm not mistaken). Have you seen the shit that gets released? All of the unfinished demo day demos are of better quality.

In all honesty, your mod is so extensive and awesome that I really would consider finding a way to release it if I were you.

Like make a free, public WAD version because this is how mods have always worked but also make a standalone steam release for people who want to support you or can't be hassled to configure the port, maybe add some goodies for them, like a soundtrack or an artbook.

It would definitely be newsworthy, as likely it would be a first such situation. You could get some good money out of this.

but consulting a lawyer just in case would be advisable

Option 2:

Port your mod to a different engine that supports sprites. See: Unity Daggerfall port

Option 3:

use Sigma II

Any C++ nerds know of the STL implements it's Deque as an arry or linked list?

>>14184259

https://twitter.com/skurin_egor

>>14186378

https://web.archive.org/web/20160731194532/http://www.stepanovpapers.com/butler.hpl.hp/stl/stl/DEQUE.H

>>14185902

The best option is to start with something and make something simple. Don't make your dream project your first game because you're going to implement things in ass-backwards ways because you won't know better initially. Löve is a good starting option because it's very easy to get going and the novelty in seeing results almost immediately can be a big motivator. Once you start to learn more then you'll have a better foundation to decide whether you're comfortable spending years working with it or if another language or framework interests you or if you'd prefer to jump to a compiled language. http://8agdg.wikidot.com/love2d in case you didn't see the wiki has a page on it.

>>14185384

This is like some retroactive meme magic at work, holy shit.

>>14185902

I've been porting my project over from GMS to Love2d with no prior knowledge of the latter. It's all just a process of extensive googling.

You need platformer movement and platformer collision? Either look it up and see what others are suggesting or just break it down into simple ideas (like >press A to go left), and figure out both how to use keyboard inputs and movement.

>>14186576

wow, really cool.

I'd like to ask THE expert, do you have any opinion or knowledge on this?

>>14186266

>>14186576

Is the photo taking going to be a mechanic with spooky stuff appearing in them?

>>14186839

really cute and comfy. add it to the wiki.

I think we should make our own demo day in the future, perhaps ask clarkes-art for something

>>14186847

I agree. We should have at least four. Ideally the same scene, but stylized for each of the four seasons.

>>14186859

yeah, i was thinking of asking tankdev as well as he posted something like that recently

although if others submitted such art as well, it would be really cool

>>14186847

This is our own demoday? Halfchan's demodays are on different dates, and are weeklong "gamejams."

>>14186886

duh. Did you miss the last one?

>>13774137

>>14186900

fugg >:D

https://8ch.net/v/res/13774137.html

>>14186887

Noice! I'll upload all of that to the wiki after I'm done writing a new page on how to do high quality recordings for longer videos (trailers on YouTube for example).

>>14186910

>how to do high quality recordings for longer videos

doing God's work

>>14186900

I didn't forget shit, you're the one that said "we should make our own demo day", thereby implying our demodays aren't our own somehow.

>>14186921

sorry, brosephine. I meant to write

>our own demo day art in the future

>>14186266

Option 4: Don't Put it on steam at all. The Most Freeist of free DRM Free Software!

>>14186990

Being on steam does not magically add DRM into your game, anon.

>>14186990

yeah, that's awesome too. It's just my opinion that the level of quality of MoM is something that deserves to become a standalone release.

>>14187047

You need steam to run it. Isn't that DRM? Regardless you'll probably have to put it on steam anyways, as they pretty much corner the entire PC market. Even if they gouge 30% of your profits and you lose another 30% to being taxed twice, you'll still come out with more money to put into your next game.

>>14187058

Steam developers have a choice of including Steam DRM or not. If they don't, you don't need Steam to play the game.

>>14187058

You don't need to. >>14187047 and >>14187071 are right. The DRM part is called Steamworks and is completely optional. It's used for the Steam server browser integration, matchmaking servers, achievements, save game synchronization and everything else that's requires a Steam account (for self-evident reasons). Valve doesn't force you to use it though. Project Zomboid is a nice example, because their Steamworks implementation is optional. You can start the game with the -nosteam parameter and it won't use it.

>>14187058

Yeah, I'm pretty sure he'll miss that 30% cut of the profits of his free game.

>>14187103

If it's free then who gives a flying fuck about having it on steam?

>>14187190

>>14184575

>a lot of people have been asking me if Memoirs of Magic would be on steam

It's not something he'll likely do, though. He's a good boi

>>14187190

People who would like to have their game noticed by the estimated 75% of all PC game players that use Steam?

>>14187103

>>14187190

I missed that it was free. Really I was just talking about steam in general.

>>14187162

I don't disagree. Now that valve opened the floodgates for shit all over their platform it's basically like youtube, where there's 100 irrelevant things for every 1 important thing. But you still have to consider shit like. People who wont touch a game unless it's on steam, people who sell keys, etc. Just looking at it if you intend to quit and do it fulltime, you're way better off using steam.

>wanna be a musician

>baww, there's too much musicians on youtube

>wanna be a writer

>baww there's too much writers on amazon

>wanna be an artists

>baww there's too much waifu porn on gelbooru

>baww there's already too much competition

of which 98% is trash.

make something good.

>>14187323

Here you go, dude. (Went right to the P section since I figured you were looking for Pokemon models)

https://www.models-resource.com/3ds/P.html

>>14187323

just learn to draw bro.

>>14184202

so is this kingdom hearts with neptunia shit?

>>14187295

oh yea, I missed that grassy goodness

the cloth is pretty nice too

Thanks smugdev for uddating the thread archives. I'll try to upload my own ones.

how's the survival game doing?

>>14183306

just because they can be dicks.

>>14185256

looking better than ever. 'Hacky' changes are bread and butter of gamedev

>>14182593

I thought the same thing **that dev wnet missing just after promising something amazing from what I recall

>>14186793

**>Is the photo taking going to be a mechanic with spooky stuff appearing in them?

ghost butts, most likely

>>14184202

I was about to write "no such thing as too many dogoos" but then I saw the vid. Too many dogoos.

alright /agdg/

I need some figuring out a basic game design thing, I need your help, specially those savvy with godot

at first my idea was to have world generalized from json files, the gdscript would them build the scene based on their type and data, like for example:

{
"name":"rome_whitetown",
"title":"The White Town",
"type":1,
"background":"background/rome_whitetown.jpg"
"icon":"icons/rome_whitetown.png"
"info":"The White town is the heart of Rome."
"menu":
	["rome_whitetown_tradesquare",
	"rome_whitetown_guild",
	"rome_whitetown_colosseum",
	"rome_whitetown_forum",
	"rome_main"]
}

I even had some nifty tricks in place, like for example, everything is loaded up before hand, and the based on the name of the other node it could fetch its title and icon

the approach I've taken, though, was that they were loaded in memory as dictionaries and thus had extensive scripts with checks during runtime to make it work

not to mention that it goes through some mind bending shit for when you want to break uniformity, like custom validity checks and random events

upon thinking of reviving this project I though of taking a more direct approach, since godot is already script based

so lets say a base script for all shared functions, and then the places would be just small text script inheriting from that one with some small data for attribute,

plain text all the the same and easy to read, no biggie right?

Now I'm thinking of yet another approach, which would more in-between the both above,

data files still base json containing data, but during loading process they are formed into actual object nodes as they are in godot

thus making loading process slightly more arduous but overall the running aspect it easier to manage and read,

so they would use the script shared base as above but still be store as json

what do you guys think, which is better and which would be your approach, and of course, why?

>>14187295

That's some great looking grass,i wonder if it tanks the performance though?

>>14187663

Never used Blender but in 3ds Max and Maya you'd script when the GUI falls short.

>try to add random item generation

>end up needing to redesign half the game

life is disappointments

>>14187647

we did some stress test and you can have a huge field with several objects, i didn't save the video, have to ask him later.

He made sure to make it very optimized, they are not individual meshes, and the grass simulation runs directly on the GPU, i don't know the details, im the jack of all trades doing everything other than the heavy programming

oops

>>>/agdg/30488

>>14187682

Come on man no way half the GamerMaker schlock on steam was made by anyone over 14

>>14187827

yeah, dude, I know do you have the old grass webms with the scythe?.

I thought this might get confusing when I saw how the post turned out.

should have separated the two messages. I have no idea if smugdev is even around today.

sorry

>>14187832

>Galko full of wank from 14 year old boys

That's kinda hot.

>>14187851

> I have no idea if smugdev is even around today

Ok I locaded him.

>>14186910

thanks again for the archives. I added some missing threads.

And thanks for that new tutorial.

>>14187933

Friendo, what is the gameplay going to be like? Is this like a wheat harvesting simulator?

>>14187953

There will be grass cutting, but will be mostly normal farming style harvest moon

I will try to design the farming more fun, maybe all harvesting will be through cutting, in the worst case it will be a harvest moon with more depth and 3D cel shaded animu graphics

>>14186666

>>14186266

The short of the matter is that, yes, it's possible to get Doom TCs on Steam. From my (limited) understanding, the Steam integration is really just a wraparound for the program, the question is if the engine/assets themselves would be really free to use.

And, well, they are. The engine is GPL 3.0, so while any changes and modifications you make to it also has to be GPL, that doesn't extend to the wads that run in it. Likewise, if you need a base, just grab a copy of Freedoom and bundle with it–Freedoom has been used for Android/Apple game stores where people just take it and bundle it with a free source port for $$$. Scummy, but perfectly legal.

Mind, this is completely untested ground, nobody's actually done it before. So there's bound to be something that pops up that blows up in someone's face, but theoretically it should be entirely viable. Still, that's what I'm hoping to find out once I release this bitch.

>>14186793

If you had asked me a couple days ago, I would have said yes.

The idea is that as you visit other worlds, you can't really carry stuff with you because they get dropped along the way. If you take pictures of items, though, they become "yours" and you can carry them from world to world.

A neat idea on paper. In practice, though, this ended up just adding a whole bunch of busywork to an otherwise-normal sequence of hitting use everywhere on a room to fill up your inventory. It's clunky and unintuitive and unfun. So now primary fire just is a flash of light and a camera sound that does nothing, which I'm not happy about.

>>14181407

>UE4 is for professional teams or very very very experienced individuals

no it isn't, its the exsact opposite, you can make a game without writing one line of code

http://8agdg.wikidot.com/agdg

thread archive complete

>>14187963

Sounds promising. Will trees grow slowly too?

>>14188353

Doing better. Remember to focus on game logic more than graphics.

>>14188531

Yes, the tree system will be made after my bro finishes the grass (still need to allow for different grass types on same area, so we can do sparse flowers and shit), also grass will drop as hay blocks when cut.

The trees will grow a bit every ingame day, most will take a month to reach adult stage, you will be able to chop them down too.

>>14187098

If thats true, I will truly consider looking into it for the full release.

Speaking of which, taking content out of the demo so people can't datamine it is a pain in the ass, yeesh

>>14184751

I'm trying to replicate the style of old DOS games, any tips and tricks for that?

>>14188716

The Color palette is pretty important for that, including a lot of detail. You could probably get away with actually doing stuff hand painted on your favorite art software, and adjust the number of colors and differing from there.

>>14188724

code is easier than art, but you need to have strong logic fundamentals, you can start by tryint to review high school math and try to code in C# or Java and make small 2D games until you slowly understand it.

Google "divide and conquer technique" "recursion"

Start by watching the SICP course on youtube.

>>14188774

Low resolution CRTs literally look like upscaled low resolution with no filtering, pixellated with perfectly rectangular grid.

>>14188774

I'm thinking classic Sid Meier, North and South kind of shit. You know, the classy ones.

>>14188727

Thank you, I do know that the palette is a big factor in all of this. I also noticed that anti-aliasing used to be a huge thing for the shading.

>>14188724

Fair enough. I respect your initiative even though you can't code or art very well yet.

>>14188755

There are ways to make games without programming. UE has these "blueprints" that really are a way of programming without coding, very beginner friendly. Their website also has plenty of tutorials on this stuff.

>>14188755

For anyone listening to this advice, choose C# over Java. Learning Java at this point is like getting into flash websites.

>>14188774

>>14188881

>>14188884

Lower color palettes are a challenge to do right, since you have to be smarter about each color, much like low res pixel art, where every pixel matters.

>>14188774

>EGA has 64 colors so it's a little easier, but CGA only has 16

EGA had 16. You could select from a 64 colour palette if using the 640x350 mode, but I don't know of any games that did.

CGA had 4 colours, with 3 palettes that could be light or dark and a selectable background/border color.

>>14188881

>>14188884

While you're not wrong, that trick doesn't work without a real CGA card and monitor, so emulating it is pointless. Similarly, demoscene tricks (while still really cool) are irreverent when talking about the style of actual games made at the time.

>>14188990

The8bitguy explains it beter than I probably could. You should watch the entire video, but 6:32 actually shows the CGA on a composite monitor.

>>14186139

>Oh yeah, also, how is TrannyLang?

Absolute garbage, ofcourse.

>>14189087

I've seen it before, It's good shit.

But if you're making a CGA styled game in 2018, you're gonna want to ape the RGBi modes and not the composite modes since people just don't have composite outputs and TVs anymore.

>>14189083

Good to see you're still alive.

>>14189440

>it's literally just linux but they replaced the default bash shell with node

>>14189440

>node

Pure. Cancer.

>>14189396

what a poor video by someone that doesn't understand the concept of "comedic timing"

>>14189682

Frank.

>>14189682

do you want nicknames for it?

call it a Niba

>>14189682

Crybaby

Waaaambulance

The Ablublu

>>14189728

describe how it acts and if there's any folkstorys about it

>>14189735

Quinnita

>>14189682

spoopy

>>14189682

Does it do anything else other than cry to lure people in and kill them? You called call it something like "Crimic"

>>14189763

Crimic is it then, its decided!

>>14189768

>>14189740

I was thinking of an insect-like predatory behavior. I like imagining walking towards the source of the sound and seeing this lanky, menacing thing look back with these shiny beads, but not attacking unless you stumble too close. I think the scary bit about it to me is this automated, streamlined predatory behavior, as though it expects you to just come close enough for it to grab you, but not taking the first step simply because it's so used to being successful at what it does.

Ultimately though, I'm going to have to think of generic, roaming behavior for when it's not hunting. I think it has a potential of being that much more scary if it is believable.

>>14189763

>>14189768

That's a little on the nose don't you think?

>>14189795

no, think about it like a old grandma telling her grand kids a tale about it next to the fire

>>14189806

Anon, I'm not a good storyteller, really.

>>14189795

Give it good camouflage too

So you can end up walking into one when its not hunting and your brain goes "dude that is not a tree trunk" and you freeze as the thing slowly turns it's face in your direction and stares until you fuck off, or it gets bored and leaves on it's own, but it needs to walk away with its head turned backwards to stare at you the whole time.

Also it could have another type of behavior: if you turn your back at it while it is staring at you, it chases you

How well suited is Godot for a game with minimal graphics but a lot of menus?

>>14189795

Most monsters/cryptids are just named something similar but in the respective language where they appeared, just something descriptive of their behavior or appearance. It has the mantis like appendages which is somewhere a name could come from, the crying lure, the other tendril things almost like a parasitic worm, and that almost cat/dog like smile with the slit in the center so it could come from that. If your game is based in a certain location then you could look for translating some type of native language which would make it sound a lot better.

For idle roaming behavior, it could travel through the treetops very slowly. Something about how it can almost silently travel through the trees which is how it hides while moving. If you like that automated response thing, you could make it so that if you manage to spot it and shine the torch at it, it freezes in place and just stares at you, but after 5-6 seconds it'll start crying without moving an inch other than it's mouth, but then I guess you need to tack on some type of attacking mechanic to it so if you encounter it like that twice it's not like you know it's harmless.

>>14189900

>For idle roaming behavior, it could travel through the treetops very slowly. Something about how it can almost silently travel through the trees which is how it hides while moving. If you like that automated response thing, you could make it so that if you manage to spot it and shine the torch at it, it freezes in place and just stares at you, but after 5-6 seconds it'll start crying without moving an inch other than it's mouth, but then I guess you need to tack on some type of attacking mechanic to it so if you encounter it like that twice it's not like you know it's harmless.

This is really, really fucking good. Getting chills thinking about it, so creepy.

>but in the respective language where they appeared

My source of inspiration for the setting is Icelandic-ish, so I might come up with a nordic sounding goobledeegook name for it.

>>14189890

I haven't used it much myself, but Godot's gui tools are top notch from what I've seen.

>>14189815

my thoughts on the matter would lead me to tell a tale about a woman

>there was a woman who had an affair with a rich man whose wife was cruel and vindictive, that found the two of them together one night so cursed the woman barren, the man cast the woman aside for fear of a curse his own and left the woman sobbing alone. the woman wondered through town when the moon was high and the night oils dim, a soft fog set past as the night chill laid in, the woman considered herself to be alone but she could hear a faint noise drifting just out of ear "by gods a child if I am to be without then I'll be with him" the woman looked for the noise promised of. the noise lead the woman out of town and into the forest lines where it placed no trace but the woman took dread as the darkness of the forest at night is that of such which would consume her whole, she knew her role and so tied her scarf to a pole, her scarf being ever so long it would surely cover the forest as well as the town and so the woman with a way pushed through the dark of the forest on the path of a child. deep into the forest where the noise was at its loudest the woman wondered all over to find it "I shall name him Timberley and tomorrow we shall have tea". tomorrow came but all the townsmen could find was a bloody mess at the end of a scarf.

>>14189890

Yeah, Godot has a decent library of GUI classes right out of the box, it was one of its original selling points before it started focusing on a modern 3D renderer.

I really hope this spooky game is ready for the february demo day. Seems fun.

>>14189682

That is fucking creepy.

>>14190245

how to ruin the mood add orange lighting

>>14190261

I'm curious about this, what makes orange lighting bad? I think it can work in the same sort of surreal sense that red lighting can work.

>>14190490

orange lighting isn't bad, it's not the correct lighting for that kinda thing

>>14190490

orange and brown are the least liked colors by humans across all cultures.

>>14190537

I wonder if that stems from a primal fear of rot or fire

>>14190550

this lecture talks about the psychology of color.

>>14190537

Thats actually really neat. I can understand brown for sure, but I've always liked orange quite a lot. Makes me think of fall, Halloween and all that good stuff.

>>14190581

Weird. For some reason blender wont show the edge that's there when you're in object mode, but in edit mode it shows up.

>>14191115

Probably Gdevelop.

>>14187641

can anyone reply before thread expires?

>>14191896

You need two UV maps. One for textures and one for lightmaps. You can let Unreal generate the lightmap UVs automatically for most meshes. For that you need to open the mesh in Unreal and setup the source and destination lightmap UV indices. You want your texture UVs to be at 0 and your lightmap UVs to be at 1.

>>14192206

That reminds me. Did anyone want the resources for that alternative CC0 logo from a month or two ago added to the wiki?

As a new jabroni just getting in to game dev, should I use GameMaker which has a simple language that's fairly easy to learn but doesn't have much use outside of GM, or should I bite the bullet and start learning a normal language? Not a programmer at all, I'm a musician but I won't make the dream game sitting around and waiting for an artist and programmer to show up

>>14192259

of course. essentially anything relevant to us should appear on the wiki.

damn I remember the whole discussion back then

>>14192259

I'm indifferent to it. Seems like we're using the old one anyway. Then again, doesn't make much difference if barely anyone actually releases a game.

>>14192297

There's a few devs that have migrated from GM to other things, so they can probably tell you if it had any impact on their ability to learn other languages. My guess would be that it would be fine to learn some basics with it then move on if you feel the need.

>>14192318

It was a fun thread. I remember hesitating because some people didn't want to be associated with it and I was worried it would look like I was trying to push it as replacing the old one.

>>14192337

I didn't really enjoy it tbh. not because I don't like the design. It's breddy gud and I wish we actually decided on using it. It was a time when random (1)s kept trying to provoke us and kept shitting up the threads.

>>14192372

Yeah, the thread was autistic af. And unnecessarily so.

>>14192372

>>14192390

My memory's pretty bad, I just remember all those tasty (you)s. Then again it would probably need to be worse than old cuck/agdg/ threads to really stand out to me because goddamn could those get bad. Didn't someone mention a few threads ago that Googum et al are still shitting up the place over there?

>>14192506

Nobody argued that anyone else couldn't or shouldn't use it, just that it shouldn't be pushed like it was official in some capacity.

>>14192960

What's with the blasphemy?

>>14192960

>Not covering it with agdg logo

Now that's just missed potential

>>14193205

depends on what kind of helmet you need. got any pics?

Great to see you post.

>>14192960

I'm amused and offended at the same time. Still, while the shape of the boobies will require work, the jiggle is pretty cool.

>>14193219

>This speeds up collision physics

so what kind of performance boost is it?

>>14192506

>implying the Kruszwica-style version won't be on the Beelzebox splash screen.

>>14191783

it sounds like you found an excuse to not just like make game, pick the one that requires the less from you and keep making game

>>14193304

It reduces the number of objects that need to be tested for collision. For example, if 100 nearby tiles use the same kind of bounding box (e.g. floor of a 10x10 room), instead of having 100 collision boxes the engine produces one big collision box.

The actual performance gain will depend on the map itself, as well as the number of other dynamic entities and particles that require collision testing.

let me ask you guys something, you know that prime(¿) number trigger validation thingy?

I mean where you have several true/false checks within the same number,

like for example if if you have three checks

A 0-1

B 0-2

C 0-4

so when you sum them up, the combination can only be unique for each trigger, like:

5=AC

3=AB

6=BC

does anyone how this is called? and how to smartly implement it in code?

>>14193345

Isn't it called a bit field or bit flag or something?

>>14193332

>it sounds like you found an excuse to not just like make game

its not about that, its more about that riddle in development to abstract on everything

because generally you shouldn't hard code anything, the abstraction actually helps keeping code clean, reading and making changes

on the other hand when you overdo with abstraction it can get to a point where its counter-productive

anyway, I will go with the third option there, I just wanted someone else's input

>>14193205

needs some shine around the rims, video is for blender, but the theory is mostly correct and can work everywhere, also the theory lasts about 14 min, you can skip the rest

Watched this lecture recently, gave me a boost of confidence and convinced me to stop caring about building an ECS. Maybe it will motivate some lurking nodevs like it motivated me

>>14193304

i havn't decided on the helmet shape yet

>>14193400

its not actually 3d modeled its just a transparent texture on a cylinder, I want it to be on the screen but not take up to much eye bandwidth if that makes sense

I might just cut shapes out of paper and cellotape them to my face instead of buying one

>>14193354

okay, it is called bit flag, thanks for that

after some research, I was checking how sensible it is to use these,

in godot for example, you could use bitwise operations to help it, but I'm not sure about checking it

>>14193633

What features from C++17 do you desperately need that you need a tutorial for?

>>14193440

>copy-paste code to open window and get input.

>now hand off to "another team member" to actually implement game logic and whatever else.

stunning advice.

Might as well tell people to file->open tutorial file in Unity. Bam! You got game! Good job fags.

>digipen

sjw cucks. into the trash

>8 hours to write a GLUT 2D sprite game.

He's speaking to an empty room, isn't he?

>>14193633

Why do you need a tutorial for SDL2? Just include the headers, link to the library, and go.

>>14194511

all the SDL2 tutorials are written in C++98

>>14192206

This had better be the OP for next thread

>>14193526

Bit flag type stuff has existed since assembly. When have bit shifts ever been "slow"?

It's more intuitive to set things like this:

#define TEX_MIPMAPPED (1 << 0)
#define TEX_FILTER_LINEAR (1 << 1)
#define TEX_FILTER_NEAREST (1 << 2)
#define TEX_OPENGL_RC (1 << 3)
#define TEX_VULKAN_RC (1 << 4)
#define TEX_NO_MIP_MAP (1 << 5)
#define TEX_FILTER_ANISTROPIC (1 << 6)
#define TEX_INVALID_TEXTURE (1 << 7)

Than to manually do the powers-of-two. Also, the tests do not need to be checked against 0 since true is nonzero and false is zero in C-like languages. So, just

if(texture->flags & TEX_INVALID_TEXTURE){ ... }

>>14194788

I've always liked using hex notation to set the values, eg SOME_DIRECTION = 0x0040

I guess your way makes sense though

>we will never get multiplayer online advance wars

Why live?

Are there any shitpost videos of someone taking a render target / canvas / dynamic texture, drawing the scene to it, but then replacing an entire character's drawn model texture with said texture? I want to see how retarded it would look

>>14194861

It's afraid

>>14194869

Why don't you make it yourself?

>>14194861

He's right about this. Game engines live off money, and Unity / Unreal are at a similar complexity level to massive operating systems: You can't beat them at their own game, but only try and be better than them at very specific things that they cant afford to focus on.

>>14195187

That applies to new, lab created species. Nothing wrong with that.

>>14194788

>When have bit shifts ever been "slow"?

where did I say slow?

I got your example and that would be pretty much the same when working with godot variants (with constant instead)

I even understood how to do some bitwise operations

however I didn't get how to do a check against that bit number,

for example checking ( 1101 == 0100) would definitely not check out

your example might work since its just a bitwise operation, I'm not sure if would check valid on godot though (it has C backend)

>>14195210

Except that seeds can naturally spread, so sometimes smaller farmers end up with patented plants and get their asses sued off by big corps like Monsanto.