/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>348794

>What's your favorite game out of this franchise, /tg/?

Simple.

West End Star Wars d6 > FFG's Star Wars games > Star Wars d20.

>>348794

I played a somewhat lengthy Star Wars d20 campaign. My character was all about telekinetics and I made sure to only take feats that improved it, allowing me to hurl shit with insane damage. We ended up doing truly awful, awful things though. Our GM was kind of a dick about things and every time the story didn't go as planned, he'd make it so we fucked up in some big way and got a ton of people killed.

>>348801

The MMO? Star Wars Galaxies was better, back in the day.

>>348800

Why is Star Wars D20 dead last, and West End first, Double Dubsman?

>>348801

Oh? Ever run any games in that era? I know you're baiting me, but let's do the old /tg/ special and roll with it.

>>348806

Story? What kind of things did you throw around?

>>348807

Barrels, large boulders, hover cars, an asteroid while flying through space at one point. There was nothing I couldn't throw. During that campaign, I discovered on of my dice was just a little oddly weighted so it rolled 18 frequently, letting me get away with some ridiculous shit.

>>348809

>asteroid

Nigga, you can't tell me all this and not storytime this. Even if you can't do it right this instant.

X-Wings kinda fun

>>348810

This was like.. 5 years ago. Maybe more. I couldn't storytime it if I wanted to. All I remember was that we were being chased by some bad guy space ships, so I force pushed the nearest asteroid into one of the ships.

>>348812

I actually think your GM may have told this story at some point… maybe. Was your GM named Lex by any chance? Because he said something about mpt knowing about force size Scaling in d20 and letting a player get away with some ridiculous stuff.

>playing a game with a buncha weebs

>they're all furry jedi

>me=new guy

>Make a grizzled old Nautolan freighter pilot, Bar Jantal

>hired by their master to look after jedi babies and ferry them to find out some info i don't know what

>(only played one session, these guys were not my type of group)

>Five minutes on random city-planet gets them into a fight with some gun runners

>they're running back to the ship

>technicolor bunny has been shot in leg

>being held by muscular tiger-man

>Bar was hanging in the ship, as per jedi request, has it ready to go

>high-tail it off that rock, completely ignoring the mission

>two fighters come after Bar and the jedi-babies,

>realize they have not equipped their ship with guns

>EVASIVE MANEUVERS

>ask gm if i can pilot roll to catch one of the ships in my ion trail

>Nat 20

>catch one ship in my wake, hit the throttle, blast it into the other

>notevenajedi.jpg

>>348823

>were

Nonsense. You can change canon all you like, but you can't kill a legend.

>>348821

Different anon. Different GM. Most people fuck up the telekinesis rules because the books straight out tells you that the DC = damage rolled, and nowhere in the book does it tell you that a high enough roll on a small object will not do the damage of throwing a larger object. Not to mention that it can be easily argued that a character capable of lifting several tons of stuff with his force powers should also be able to exert similar power on a handful of pebbles or creature.

>>348811

With digits like those it can't not be true. At the same time, I hear it's been powercreeped to hell and back several times over, I don't like the LCG aspect of it especially when FFG is willing to make functional erratas, and I really wish it was played on a grid in b4 hexwing.

>>348840

All the EU books, many of the comics that predate the Disney buyout, and arguably some of the Clone Wars CGI series, are all canon. Everything that's come after, Episodes 7 and 8, Rogue One, the new comics.. these things should be ignored, and preferably burned if encountered.

>>348843

Speaking of Episode 8, anyone know what's going on with it?

I've heard some rumblings, but I'm not so curious that I'll go to normalfag sites to see, and /tv/ is /tv/ so that's out too.

>>348846

Looks like Disney isn't happy about the mediocre murmurings that the last two movies ended up with, so they are blitzing the media extra hard and twisting the arm of as many journos and reviewers as possible. Of course, since this is Disney, leaving a bad (honest) review means potential blacklisting along with getting raided by their shill army at all hours for days on end.

There's pretty much no way it isn't going to suck.

>>348846

Also, and I shit you not this is a major spoiler so don't blame me if you scroll over it: Luke dies.

>>348848

It's like poetry, the fate of the old characters reflects the fate of their franchise.

>>348846

>>348847

Come to

>>>/sw/

for news on the unfolding farce. It's funny, I've barely seen any commercials for it, not even on the breakroom telly at work.

>>348844

You should listen to vid related if you want an idea of how to run a Rule of Two-style Sith campaign. Also, if you want brütal, you should do campaigns set during the Mandalorian Wars or the Jedi Civil War (including the Great Jedi Hunt).

>>348840

Mugg, you say? Who's this nerfherder?

>>348854

>I've barely seen any commercials for it, not even on the breakroom telly at work

I've seen a lot that are SW-themed ads for other things, mostly cars and smartphones, but nothing for the actual movie.

>>348854

I'm not really sure which of the Star Wars RPG systems would be best to use honestly. I figure the D20 one probably has the most stuff statted out for it as well as more more of a community, but I don't really know how I would go about running a campaign for my friends.

>infecting /tg/ with nuStarWars crap "just because"

Viral marketers haven't gotten any subtler over the years.

>>348860

>The Star Wars Expanded Universe

>nuStarWars

I haven't seen anything positive about Disney Wars in this thread.

>>348860

>OP features a war song from the pre-Disney EU

>thread is filled with goodwill towards said EU and games which sprang from it

>nothing but contempt for Disney's "works"

M8, your sensors need some recalibration, and fast.

>>348807

The music was the only thing good about swtor

>>348886

>Air battle droid & Grapple droid

>someone else remembers that game

My gentleman of African descent.

>merciless killbots

VICTIMS SPOTTED

>>348877

Bah, dubsman. The initial setting setup was fine too. Everything went to plaid with Revan.

>>348878

Final battle with the Skyhook is bretty amazing also. And the whole soundtrack is John Williams, if I'm not mistaken.

>>348887

Oooh. Me like. This is from a good while ago, for WotC to have content this nice.

>>348886

What's the ruling on droids and sentience, anyways? Are most droids just mindless machines or is there some in-universe explanation why some droids can have full personalities even though there's no reason for it?

>>348894

Maybe it's just because I'm coming off a Star Trek binge that such a thing bothers me so much. Seems like a weird thing to leave in such a gray and ill-defined area. Then again, you don't go to Star Wars to ruminate on questions about what makes something "alive" or "a person".

>>348894

>>348895

One thing to remember is that the less memory wipes a droid gets, the more chance it has of building up a personality. It doesn't help that the Trade Federation beefed up the battle droids' processors to make them independent of a control ship, but still so cheaply that they get blabbermouth from the overload.

This is also the case for Plagueis and Sidious's droid doctor 11-4D, who went from being the ship's medic aboard a freighter to one of those droids present at Darth Vader's suiting. Decades of no memory wipes and studying the best (and most twisted) material Plagueis could give him turned the guy into one of the most skilled doctors in the galaxy (and a useful companion, to boot).

>>348897

Then there's R2-D2, who's been without a memory wipe for a century by the time of the Sith-Imperial War.and nearly lost the Clone War for the Republic because Anakin was too sentimental to wipe his memory He's certainly the prime example of what you're talking about.

>>348900

What happened in that case, dubsman?

Anyone got a trove for others than WEG?

>>348878

I think that's just the pheromones in action, Anon, nothing to be too proud about.

Oh yeah, here's how someone who's been mind-tricked thinks, if you want to play with it:

>Then the taller of the two Jedi murmured gently that it would be better if he and his counterpart were to stay with the Senator, and really, he seemed like such a reasonable fellow, and it was such a good idea—after all, the Grand Convocation Chamber of the Galactic Senate was so secure there was really no way for a Jedi to cause any trouble for anyone and they could just as easily be apprehended on their way out, and the guard didn't want to seem like an unreasonable fellow himself, and so he found himself nodding and agreeing that yes, indeed, it would be better if the Jedi stayed with the Senator.

>>349031

Glorious. I wonder what his Title was. Lord of Spite, maybe.

>>349064

Or the droids.

What non-video game stuff is worth bothering with outside of Zahn's books?

>>349101

Anything by James Luceno and Matthew Stover. See >>348854 for instance. Shadows of the Empire and Tales of the Jedi and Dark Empire are also fun.

>>349101

If you can stand 80s Saturday morning cartoons, there's some decent episodes of Droids and Ewoks. The Baobab episodes are the best, as well as The Pirates and The Prince.

Wanted a Saga Edition character that buffed/debuffed while shooting. Also Noble's skills per level should make embed related possible. Does this build look fine?

Noble 1/Soldier 6/Officer X

Feats:

1: Point Blank Shot:

2c: Proficiency (Rifle)

3: Weapon Focus: Rifle

3b: Autofire Sweep

5b: Precise Shot

6: Bantha Herder

6b: Flood of Fire

9+: ???

Talents:

1: Born Leader

2: Improved Suppression Fire:

4: Cover Fire

6: Indomitable

7: Distant Command

8: Share Indomitable

9+: ???

>>349172

Forgot embed

>>348801

I played it at release. It was alright and pretty fun RPing in a group. I eventually dropped out of playing because the graphics kinda sucked. Still, it was probably the last time Star Wars felt like Star Wars since it was right before the Mouse bought it.

>>348895

It's not like Star Trek is a pinnacle of hard sci/fi either.

>>349199

>hard sci-fi

Magic is a real established thing in Star Trek, they like to pretend it isn't because they're being all serious all the time and action remakes.

Anyone play the X-Wing Miniatures Game, or things like it? Because this is one sleek Imp ship.

>>349264

Yeah, I love the Raider myself, I've been thinking of getting one off of ebay.

It's no Tartan or Broadside class,but it fills the niche and fits in with the standard look well enough.

Best Star Wars adventures of any edition?

Is this the Salt thread, or do I have to wait a week for everyone else to have seen it?

My impressions:

You're All going to hate it, most people will like it, There are some legitimately good moments, but the Pacing is just way too damn fast. They never let a moment just sit for a minute, always something happening. There are some good twists though. Overall, it's something to complain about for a while, but it's ultimately Meh.

>>349323

Oh, and best trailer goes to The Grand Tour. Prime original spiritual successor to Top Gear UK? Yes Please.

>>349323

Anon, Star Wars is for children. Nobody on 8chan is going to go watch it.

>>349325

And miss out on another opportunity to get angry about something? I think not.

>>349328

Oh wait, Sorry, I've been hanging around /co/ and /v/ too much, Forgot /tg/ was the good board.

Want me to save you all the trouble and just give you the nitty gritty of the movies, or just have you wait or the chinese bootleg someone made using a Go-Pro and a tripod?

>>349330

No, really, Star Wars is for children. I don't understand the appeal in what's basically a glorified Saturday morning cartoon. It's not even one of the cool ones like Pirates of Dark Water.

I'm sure someone else here gives a shit though, so you might as well post about the movie.

>>349330

I really don't give a shit about star wars

>>349333

Same reason I did - to denigrate Star Wars because it's mediocre and popular.

>>349334

>>349332

Ok, so what I'm hearing is that we're on the night crew, which is mainly shitposters who avoid Chrow's active hours, and I've got to wait for morning for a serious answer. Gotcha.

>>349331

>Saturday morning cartoon

You mean Flash Gordon serial.

>>349315

If anyone really wants to spoil themselves.. An dedicated anon recorded the whole movie and split it into clips and posted the entire thing on /tv/ >>>/tv/1014561

>>349402

TL;DW version: it sucks.

It's not a spoiler if it's obvious from the get-go.

>>349406

So here's the thing.. Sometime last year, I forget who it was, but someone from inside hollywood pointed out that there was zero planning for the future movies, outside of mandatory appearances from specific characters, mostly because they planned the merchandise.. just not the scripts or the overall story arc of the NuTrilogy. Just to make that clear.. The director of TLF had nothing to do with TFA, and vice versa.

In an ideal world, this wouldn't be a disastrous thing. The new guy could just pick up where the previous guy left off.. But in this case, within the first 15 or so minutes, they throw everything out the window. Everything they spent an entire movie building up to is irrelevant, because the new director wanted to go in a different director, slaughter some sacred cows, and undermine anything still remotely good about Star Wars.

>>349410

Is there an interview where this bastard tells all this? How much of it is Kathleen Kennedy?

>>349331

>children

>wheredoyouthinkyouare.png

>>349471

>>349455

I think it was actually Max Landis in a string of tweets… but there you go. Right from the horse's mouth.

>>349471

>>349473

Was he actually respected at all before this SNAFU? Because his name is going to become mud so fast he'll think he's gone to lightspeed.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_the_last_jedi/reviews/?sort=rotten Oh yeah, here are the reviewers who haven't been bought. Bantz are had from the Emerald Isle.

>>349477

>56% audience score

Fucking wew. AotC is at 57% and Phantom Menace is at 59%, making TLJ the worst-rated in the series by that measure.

>>349476

Playing a droid is not treated as special or out of the ordinary at all in nearly all of the Star Wars RPGs, if I recall correctly. It's just sort of expected that one of your party members will be a droid, just like one of them will be the roguish smuggler and pilot.

>>349476

Yeah, I've played one in FFG. Basically, if you want to be super good at one specific area of skills, this is the race to do it, especially when you can mod yourself for Base-stat upgrades, which no other race can do besides cyborgs. I played as a combat droid with an obsession with explosives, tinkering and modding them for the extra boom. It was a pretty good time.

>>349476

If you play a campaign set after 7 BBY (or play up the lost technology explanation for why tech is so stagnant between the Old Republic and Empire eras) you can even play a droid indistinguishable from a human. They're even capable of sex (not laid out in the game rules, but the character they use as an example is mentioned as being used for such by her owner in her original source material). Saga Edition actually devotes major sections of the books (half chapter or more each) to droid models you can (generally) play as and stuff you can upgrade with.

>>349481

>if you want to be super good at one specific area of skills, this is the race to do it

Wonder if that was part of the inspiration for Darths and Droids…

>>349477

Christ this is going to make Episode II look good in comparison, I can already see the "you know Midoclorians ain't so bad" coming soon. Shit just comparing other Star Wars scenes with this garbage is just giving me a headache.

>>349106

>Anything by James Luceno

Even his two in the shitty Disney canon?

>>349541

Yes. The guy even made Krennic an interesting character.

>>349539

That's the idea. The reconsideration of the Prequels has already begun.

>>349539

Man even with all their flaws, I never hated the prequels. I didn't even hate TFA the first time I saw it, I thought it was pretty shit but there wasn't an "Alright fuck this movie and every cunt that worked on it" response. I fucking hated TLJ for its entire goddamned 152 minute runtime.

Jedi feel OP in RPGs…

Kind of sad, that the best video of Star Wars since 2015 was a fan-film.

>>349668

FFG handles Force-users rather well. You get Force-sensitive classes that sacrifice degree of technical skill for the versatility of force powers, and True Jedi and Sith are so high above Player scale that to get all the abilities displayed by your average Jedi would take aproximately 5 years of gaming every day in EXP.

There's actually a module featuring Darth Vader, and he's represented by a timer during a heist. If the timer runs out before the heist is completed, Darth Vader walks into the building and… TPK.

>>349668

Sad but true

>>349703

And anger. Really, he's a better facial actor than anything. I heard he gave a better performance as some corporate villain in another movie. All moot, though. He's left Hollywood for a farm and a happy marriage.

>>349719

Not worth it, m8.

>>349721

There's some movie where he has a heart condition and is a high ranking business man. Really interesting story and it's well acted.

>>349486

>not laid out in the game rules, but the character they use as an example is mentioned as being used for such by her owner in her original source material

There's one quest in KOTOR 1 which is literally go retrieve a lost droid for a woman, which turns out to have escaped because she used him for sex since her husband died

I want to make EZ-75B, Human blaster relations. What interesting things can I do with a battle droid build wise in Saga Edition other than sticking weapons in it?

>>349812

Shoo-shoo, shitty shill. Go peddle your Disney apologism somewhere else.

>>349475

>Was he actually respected at all before this SNAFU?

1 indie success, 2 indies flops, 1 B list success, a few decent TV episodes (breaking bad).

For Current Year Hollywood, that's a goldenboy resume.

>Guy is half competent. He even somehow made money without hundreds of millions in publicity once!

>He is cheap.

>>349817

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Orange_Panthacs Make them a lovable veteran with the skills of a seasoned campaigner?

>Just like back on Kashyyyk.

<But with more fire and meat.

>>349826

Ooh. These are desperate times indeed.

>>349826

>1 indie success, 2 indies flops, 1 B list success, a few decent TV episodes (breaking bad).

>For Current Year Hollywood, that's a goldenboy resume.

Where did all the directing talent even go? I can understand how industry practices lead to across the board decisions that negatively impact quality overall, but I find it difficult to believe that there are no good directors left making films. I hope this doesn't sound like I'm new here, I just find it too bizarre that such a large corporation can't find good talent.

>>349830

Yeah, but like what could I do mechanically that couldn't be done with a human?

Can a droid be force-sensitive in the RPGs?

>>349846

> large corporation can't find good talent.

More like not able to find obedient talent; think dictators surrounding themselves with yes-man and valueing LOYALTY over TALENT/SKILL

My fav Star Wars games will always be Rebellion, the sort-of turn based RTS

…I just really like RTS games, and there really aren't enough good star wars RTS games around

>>349899 (checked)

You mean board games or vidya? Because there's only two of the latter AFAIK: Empire at War and Galactic Battlegrounds, the latter of which is Age of Empires II mixed with Star Wars.

>>349892

No.

>>349892

>More like not able to find obedient talent; think dictators surrounding themselves with yes-man and valueing LOYALTY over TALENT/SKILL

While I could see this as the reason, it leads me to wonder: out of living directors, which one would /tg/ or /sw/ have direct a SW film?

>>349917

Vin Diesel, but he doesn't get to play the main role.

>>349850

How could pairing an internal generator (Scum and Villainy) with integral heavy weapons be expanded on?

>>349892

>Can a droid be force-sensitive in the RPGs?

No, but you could play a sapient, force-sensitive crystal in a droid body. Saga Edition has them stated in Jedi Training Manual.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shard

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Knight

>>349917

Steven Spielberg co-directing with James Cameron. Spielberg would bring that Science-Fantasy element and keep the film fairly light-hearted, and True to its original vision, while Cameron would give us that huge sense of scale and action that we want in a Star Wars film. Also, you know if there's anything that could blow Avatar's records out of the water, it would be James Cameron's Star Wars.

>>349926

Oh, and also you know Spielberg would be consulting Lucas behind the scenes, but heavily doctoring his suggestions so we didn't end up with a clusterfuck like Crystal Skull.

>>349945

To paraphrase a nice religious cop-out - "Unless it is explicitly denied, or directly contradicted, it happened."

>>349945

I remember some piece of media claiming that the Death Star debris burned up in the atmosphere (i.e. the destruction was so bad no piece was big enough to not disintegrate on re-entry)- not that it stops all the metal and radiation then being in the atmosphere.

>>349948

Was this NuCanon? I know the old EU explicitly denied it happened.

>>349927

>>349926

You know what, I can see this working if Disney wants to save itself from what happened in TLJ. Of course, this would require removing or demoting Kennedy to even allow a pair of auteurs like them in. That would require sufficient desperation.

>>349981

That's the thing, TLJ wasn't even so bad that it guarantees a ruined sequel. I liked them moving away from Jedi, I felt that should've been coming for a long time, and everything else was sort of… inconsequential. The rebels escaped, and sure, Kylo and Hux run the First Order, but i feel with proper direction, you could fix their characters sufficiently. Rey also just needs a tweak in her acting and a few major flaws to be a decent protagonist.

I liked Kylo being not the edgy faggot he was in TLJ, but the awkward, pathetic teenage kid who would like to believe he's the ultimate EdgeLord. That's a really interesting archetype, full of good flaws and even some relatable characteristics. I could see a lot of fun with that.

>>349988

The problem is that Disney is just smart enough to know that they're a corporation, and their best investment has always been putting the right people in the right position to get the job done.

This time though? They failed. They're also struggling with the Marvel lineup. Something might be happening internally. Maybe Walt's frozen head has stopped giving coherent leadership?

>>349991

I don't know much about Disney's internal structure, but I imagine there's an internal divide, where one group is busy making good shit and other just manages bought intellectual property.

Kind of like Bethesda, where one team just keeps working on very flawed but ultimately like nothing else on the market TES series, while other bought Fallout and ruined it with completely tone-deaf sequels in exactly the same manner.

I think my favorite part about TLJ is Kylo and Hux's relationship. It's no secret that the Tumblrverse shipped them as faggots, and with the events of TLJ, the fanfic community is basically going to go haywire with abuse stories and edgy BDSM stories.

Give it five years, and we'll see 50 Shades of GAY AND IN SPESS!!! as a direct result of someone's Star Wars smut.

>>349988

>Why it didn't turn out well can't be hand-waved with "muh soulless corp" that easily.

Disney is very old and has gone through at least one full executive change from top to bottom already. Corporations don't continue being the same when every cog in it's machine changes, it's a very weird sentiment to have unless you simply treat the Corporation as an individual and not an organization.

>>349988

>On the other hand they are responsible for a whole bunch of great (animated) movies that now considered true American classics.

Walt Disney died a long time ago.

>>350009

>>350015

People change, but corporate culture has some inertia to it.

Latest Disney's works might be not as significant as they used to, but imho it has more to do with arising competition than slipping quality, and IIRC they are still pretty decent.

>>350034

>People change, but corporate culture has some inertia to it.

The inertia of corporate culture is about 10-20 years and the shift of personnel has been completed at least about 30-33 years ago and a new shift of talentless hacks is already midway through so Disney is going through a second permanent shift already. Step back and see the forest Anon, if you look at the latest releases just this year half of them is blatant Chinese and Minority appeal and the other half is just really old franchises being milked. Disney is no longer a seal of quality and you should let go of whatever bias you have due to your childhood.I know it's hard but I've managed to do it.

>>349984

The hot mess that TLJ is simply guarantees that JJ is going to have to work his ass off to untangle and gently retcon everything that Rian Johnson left for him. Rey's parentage, the Knights of Ren, who the fuck Snoke was, etc. It means that episode 9 is likely going to be kind of a mess that bounces between playing cleanup for the last two movies, and working towards creating an actual plot with stakes and consequences that must then be resolved by the end of the movie.

The things that's really been driving me crazy over the past few days is that I can think of ways that you could turn the raw elements of the nuTrilogy into a passable movie. It would still have to be reshot into a new movie, but it's possible to take these characters and these plot beats and turn them into something far better than what they gave us.

>>350075

>JJ is going to have to work his ass off

And I'm sure he won't. I'll get a good kek if they actually retcon Rey's parents back into relevance with "well that is true, from a certain point of view." All I'm expecting is more mystery boxes that lead nowhere.

>>350075

>Jew Jew doing anything that is original.

>Jew Jew doing anything to resolve plot holes instead of creating more and bigger plot holes but this time with lens flares.

>>349846

>Where did all the directing talent even go? I can understand how industry practices lead to across the board decisions that negatively impact quality overall, but I find it difficult to believe that there are no good directors left making films.

It's not so much that there isn't any directing talent as much as that their's been a paradigm shift in the film industry due to the Information Age.

Film makers are no longer reliant on Hollywood for distribution, while the advancements in video capturing and editing technology makes it inexpensive enough that near anyone can make a studio quality film.

Hollywood film producers on the other hand have fallen into a "go big or bust" mentality, and are thus constantly trying to chase that elusive butterfly that is the next big thing.

>>349854

>B1 wouldn't work nearly as well if there weren't B2s to compare them to.

Nah man, we had B1/OOMs a full film before B2…

Droideka's were already shown then as a more powerful combat droid, and the B2's only got a brief appearance at the end of AotC before RotS reduced them to brutish comedic fodder that could barely Vocabulate a full sentence.

>>349984

>I felt that should've been coming for a long time, and everything else was sort of… inconsequential. The rebels escaped, and sure, Kylo and Hux run the First Order, but i feel with proper direction, you could fix their characters sufficiently.

Yeah, I haven't seen it yet, but it sounds like TLJ needs a few tweeks to close up a few plot holes, like reshoots to make Finn's sidequest better integrated.

>>350075

>The things that's really been driving me crazy over the past few days is that I can think of ways that you could turn the raw elements of the nuTrilogy into a passable movie.

Indeed, it's not BAD, but it could be so much more…

>>350076

>>JJ is going to have to work his ass off

>And I'm sure he won't.

This, sadly…

>I'll get a good kek if they actually retcon Rey's parents back into relevance with "well that is true, from a certain point of view."

Is it bad that I still want Rey's parents to be nobodies, but that she's Kenobi's GRANDdaughter via Ventress?

A quick look shows this is impossible, but I thought it'd make nice poetry…

What is a good source of made up, expendable (in plot terms), dark side users during the Clone Wars? The Imperial era had the Inquisitors and the Old Republic has enough Sith floating around anyways, but I can't think of anything for the Clone Wars.

>>350309

I was going to suggest the Witches of Dathomir, but they only got tied into that era due to the Clone Wars cartoon, and I don't think most of them were Force sensitive there. You'll probably have to make something up yourself, like giving Dooku a few extra personal assassins along the lines of Ventress or Savage, or maybe have CIS officers start digging up ancient Sith artifacts and getting possessed by the spirits trapped within them.

Man, the rules for concealing a weapon in Saga Edition are completely fucked up. Did they even read them before being printing them and issuing errata?

>sneaking across a room is just as easy as hiding a pistol

>an concealed holster, rather than break up the outline, makes it harder to conceal a pistol

>instead it makes it a move action to draw, but it's always a move action to draw a concealed weapon anyways and thus does nothing

>what you wear is of no impact, a cloak doesn't help unless it's camouflage and loose robes never do

>everyone gets a perception check, not just people who are actively trying to find weapons or frisking you

>average person with no training is noticed by half of people with no special perception ability

Easily one of the few steps back from 3.X. There only people who watched you hide the item, observing you for concealed stuff or of anyone frisking you had even a chance to spot it. You'd also get +2 circumstance from loose clothing, +2 from the tool, and being +2 from the item being small meant only people who were quite perceptive or looking at you closely (take 20) had a chance.

>only active searches and observers to the hiding get a check

>concealed holster gives +5 instead of doing nothing and adding a -5 penalty

>favorable clothing or long fur gives +2, unfavorable clothing is -2 and very unfavorable clothing like a shadow suit (catsuit) gives -5

>to balance how much easier it is to hide, a wrist blaster (Intrigue) on non-droid takes a -5 attack penalty on parts beyond 5 squares (7.5 meters/25 feet) due to lack of sights

Anything else that should be added to this house rule?

>>349900

>>349899

There's also Force Commander but it's pretty unstable on modern systems. Also there should be SW conversions of other strategy games around too unless they all got C&D'd.

>>349949

Of course it would. The magnanimous rebel alliance that never does anything wrong would look bad.

>>350495

>thumbnails

>>350493

What are people with monolids even called in Star Wars?

>>350506

I think some notable mandolorians were Asian

>>350516

Could have brought back the valley of the jedi to explain Reys super force powers at least

>>350506

Since humans exist on nearly every damned planet in the galaxy, they're probably just named racially based on the planet they're from. There's no "asia" in the Star Wars Galaxy, so they can't be "asians" after all.

>>350517

Really I would have gone with she's a host for Palpatine's wraith, her parents were engineered to be such (maybe with a Batman Beyond style sperm override) and he's trying to eliminate the people who led to his death and the upstarts taking his place. When they find Luke, who isn't so much hiding as looking for enough holocrons and shit to actually start a new Jedi order, they fight, Luke exorcises her and the wraith jumps to Kylo. That way she actually has to learn and can be given flaws.

>>350518

But what would an interplanetary suspect description or the like call them? You could outright say "monolid eyes" could work, but it's kinda inelegant.

>>350522

My working theory was that the Force has a sort of bell curve, and that the majority of existing force users fell into this valley of Grey Force, where they don't gain or utilize any spectacular abilities of the force, and that to gain more momentum or capabilities, you have to dedicate yourself to the Dark/Light side.

We know now that Luke disconnected from the Force at large entirely, which left a sort of power vacuum that Rey filled, whose only special ability is instinctively gravitating towards the Light Side of the Force. Of course, when the only other light-side Force user is Leia, who doesn't utilize it much, Rey displayed abilities on the scale of what we saw her in the movie, if only to balance out the Dark Side usage from Kylo and Snoke.

Doesn't excuse the fact that she's still a Sue, and it's based on my criminally lacking knowledge of Star Wars Lore, but it at least explains why Rey is so damn powerful.

Thoughts on this character concept for early rebellion era (Few years after clone wars) character?

>officer who fought minor battles (pirates) pre-clone wars

>hired by clone makers to teach clones

>teaches them the main ideas for fighting Jedi (slugthrowers, gas ect.)

>told it's because they think there are more Darth Mauls coming

>does well as teacher but not renewed after the clones have learned enough to teach the rest of clones

>mostly stays out of clone wars

>Order 66 happens

>realizes he's partly responsible

>becomes drunk/chem head/whatever

>joins Rebellion when offered

This is a concept of an EotE campaign I never did. I've actually shared this before on /tg/, but haven't recieved any replies.

The campaign would be set at the onset of the rebellion and would take place in the Outer Rim, in a system that had been basically run by pirates and smugglers until they were driven out by the Empire. Said pirates had planned to take back their system for a long time and used the outbreak of the rebellion to rise up against the Empire. After a short period of time, they had pretty much defeated the Imperial force in space, restricting their grasp of the system to the main planet.

The players would be tasked by the local governor to investigate a nearby mining colony, to investigate an "object" the miners had unearthed. The object turned out to be the remains of a downed Venator class star destroyer that had disappeared near the end of the Clone Wars, along with a Jedi Master and a full legion of Clone Troopers. Their mission was going in there and recovering the board computer.

Inside, they would be hunted by a lone Republic Commando who had somehow survived the last twenty years, but driven mad by the circumstances. After dealing with him, they would have recovered the board computer and turned it in to the local governor, who would have explained that he was fully aware that he couldn't hold the sector, but he didn't want to face the emperor empty-handed in that case. Through some shenanigans, the moff would have died and the players would be left with possible leads to the whereabouts of a Jedi master who may or may not have survived the great Jedi purge.

His trail would lead to Korriban, Dxun and other battlegrounds of the Mandalorian wars, where he had searched for Sith relics. When they would finally have found them, it would have been apparent that he had turned to the dark side after looking too deep into the Abyss.

I don't know, maybe one of you guys can use this. If not, just tell me what you think of it.

>>349396

I don't know what the fuck I just watched but i LOVE IT

>>349988

>they are responsible for a whole bunch of great (animated) movies that now considered true American classics.

If that was even still true that'd only be one section of Disney and wouldn't necessarily be true of the live action department. But you're forgetting that Walt has been dead for fifty years and his people were so thoroughly replaced that CalArts degenerated from a school for learning the technique of art to what it is now.

>>350542

>My working theory was that the Force has a sort of bell curve

The Dark Side is not the balance end of the light side, the Dark Side is just that the Dark Side. The Force finds balance when all Dark Side Force users are dead in fact Dark Side users lose their humanity and become corrupted into power hungry things then people. Redeemable Sith have one thing about their past they will never let go and why they can turn from the Dark Side at all.

>>350542

TLJ sorta retcond it like that, the only reason rey is as powerful in the force as she is, is cause kylo got as powerful as he did but fell. Problem with this is works both ways, Luke got so powerful in the light side, the force balanced him out with snoke

>>350691

All the more proof that Darth Traya was right.

>>349471

> had a blank slate

> could have said "Fuck it, that movie was shit let's turn it up to 11, it's guaranteed to make money so I might as well live out my fantasies"

> Rey's parents, are, I dunno the Emperor and and like whatever man, Snoke was Yoda's jedi master and Luke Skywalker gave up being a Jedi to pursue having an awesome twi'lek harem and Chewbacca has to keep him off the laster-hookah long enough to get him to teach Rey not to be a stupid cunt

> lbut instead he made the most mediocre movie any human has ever seen

Literally anything would have been better. This movie was the result of a man who has no imagination.

How do I fill out the feats/power on this build?

Wroonian Noble (Retrain to Scout at 7) 1/Soldier 1/Jedi 5/Force Adept 1/Jedi 2/Jedi Knight 10

Feat:

1: Force Sensitive

Soldier: Rifles (Light Armor at 7).

3: Force Training

Jedi: Light Saber

4b: Weapon Finesse

6: Jedi Familiarity (You are your own ally in d20 systems, so free force point)

9: ???

9b: SF: Use the Force

12+: ???

Talent:

1: Equilibrium (Retrain to Evasion at 12)

2: Draw Fire

3: Damage Reduction

5: Adept Negotiator

7: Force Persuasion

8: Channel Vitality

10: Master Negotiator

11: Ataru

12 (Technique): Equilibrium

13: Force Point Recovery

Use Draw Fire (which you have a reroll AND a +5 on) with Damage Reduction. Recover force point cost of damage reduction instantly. Nothing is actually lost during retraining (Persuasion as a trained skill is redundant)

>>350766

Before Disney's fuckup.

The dark side of the force is utilizing the Force via hate, malice, anger, fear, etc. it is not a corruption of the Light Side this has been very consistent throughout the EU the duality you argue only works in the sense that every living creature capable of using the Force has both positive and negative emotions. But when it comes to using the Force channeling your hate with every fiber of your being to suck the life force right out of somebody through sheer willpower is a whole different ball game. The corrupting nature of it is simply how easy it is to utilize it, but even it's best benefits requires negative emotions to use it so you have to constantly put yourself in a state of suffering and misery if you wanted to heal a guy that's not exactly productive to a healthy state of mind. The Light Side isn't particularly better and why nobody could tell the difference from the Jedi and the Sith in preDisney Canon, the Light Side is using the force with positive emotions or no emotions at all and the best method the Jedi could come up with is taking the positive emotions to the extreme by stripping away all ties and your own humanity to "become one with the Force". Grey Jedi are just Jedi who say "fuck that losing my humanity shit" and live a life being human but otherwise use positive or no emotions at all when channeling the Force. Theoretically a "grey" Sith would be someone who doesn't let go of their positive emotions and utilizes the powr of the Dark Side but such a person would be really fucked up mentally and emotionally.

Pre-Disney the true balance (even if Lucas didn't particularly like the idea) is with the emotions within yourself, and your own ego with your humanity.

>>350793

The Jedi becoming emotionless monks makes a sort of sense when they were just seeking enlightenment. Connection to all life in the universe and the ebb and flow of cosmic energies is pretty sweet. It's not built for combat, though. It's the sort of thing a tactician or politician needs. The ability to make decisions with the kind of information that normal men do not have. Having them also be martial peacekeepers seems antithetical to what the force is..

The draw of the Dark Side is a slippery slope in every sense because giving into and being empowered by your baser emotions makes it so easy to get what you want. All you really need to do is stop and catch your breath, maybe reflect and do some introspection for a bit, but that doesn't jive when you've got a Sith Lord breathing down your neck, constantly whispering for you to embrace your hatred and anger because it gives you more power. Being a Gray force user would require an understanding that more power isn't what you always need, nor what is always good for you.

>>350796

>Being a Gray force user would require an understanding that more power isn't what you always need, nor what is always good for you.

A grey force user is again someone who would bring the full force of his hate to suck your life out with the force lightning in one moment then turn around and use a more benign Light Side ability without any of the hate he just utilized. That's just not possible to do and have someone actually be powerful on either end, all you've got is someone who is gimped at not being very good at either and is constantly struggling with himself and being on the brink of an emotional breakdown forcing himself to constantly feel at everything he's doing at every moment. He'd also slide into the Dark Side cause it's easier to just drop the positive stuff and keep with anger and hate in battle.

Who does the Lore for the new Star Wars? Who's deciding what stays and what goes from old-Canon? Because honestly, they're doing a pretty inoffensive job and they need to be on-site with the script-writers for the current Trilogy.

>>350832

>Revan is a light side force user who is just as capable in the dark side.

I played both games Revan became that way because he was mind wiped and thus his entire set of experiences and memories were locked away while being connected to another Jedi essentially being a blank slate. Said Jedi he was still corrupting regardless of whichever path he chose because of the effects of being a Sith Lord didn't disappear entirely. Kreia herself isn't a "Grey" either you look at her signature in the last fight and it clearly shows she is mild Dark Side and her goal is to destroy the Force outright because there is no "in between".

Both games themselves and even the Dark Forces Sagas supports my stance that you can't be effective at both at the same time Kyle has to pick and choose his powers and he can't build them all up in one go during the games (except the first if I remember it right) and in KOTOR powers opposite of your alignment cost more to build up while those in your alignment cost less to show that it is harder. In older tabletop materials "grey" Jedi were always given the short end because it explicitly spelled it out for you, but all this game mechanic discussion is besides the point.

I am basing my argument on my experiences stewing in anger, hatred, and self loathing for years I can say with confidence nobody who can go from blissful peace, to absolute rage and hatred, then to happiness is a normal person whatsoever and it is damn fucking hard to be positive and at peace when you spend all your time in misery and it's very easy to give up on it if you try. Combined with the fact the Dark Side and the Light Side is very clear on the fact that you need to use certain emotions to channel them properly, and the powers lined with either side is clearly marked out as such. A Grey Jedi is just someone who gimps himself since he is a normal person who can't go all in and everyone who concentrates entirely to the Dark Side are fucking themselves up emotionally.

And KOTOR is a game not a book.

>>350846

>apathetic, going insane, or falling to one side.

A friend of mine tried over and over to run a Starwars campaign, but we never went further than creating characters.

I just wanted to play as a semi neutral jedi and now I just want to play a good hearted sith, but I guess I'll play nothing.

>>350846

The novelisation doesn't cover the games though, it's a tie in to the MMO and serves as a prequel to it. KOTOR refers specifically to the first two games and maybe the comic set in the same period. That having been said, I really wish we saw some of Revan in the Mandolorian wars before Disney killed the EU, the closest we get are a few cameos in the comic but nothing that really shows his mindset in the later parts of the war where he was getting more willing to sacrifice people to achieve victory.

>>350846

>not on what emotion fuels it.

I get where you're coming from but a good chunk of Dark Side powers requires emotional states that simply cannot be maintained for the length of time required, some Light Side powers are the same but have a higher skill floor in emotional control.

>Were would Star Killer be? He fought to defend the rebels by using force lighting.

Force Lightening is a Dark Side power, but that and the upgraded forms are the only dark side powers he uses, otherwise he uses predominately neutral powers and a lightside upgrade to a neutral power. Emotionally he basically treats his apprenticeship with Vader as a Father-Son sort of gig. Vader himself didn't even teach him right he taught him to be an angry robot but he didn't emotionally abuse and manipulate him enough to have the full Dark Side repertoire. It's also different from Force Drain which looks like lightening most of the time.

>>350848

I didn't watch that series so no comment. From some episode clips though it tells me the writers treats the Dark Side and the Light Side as aspects of the Force itself and not merely a given denomination of how you use the Force. Understandable since using the Dark Side has much further repercussions then just being an angry emotional wreck, but I'm ignoring those cause Anon asked.

TARD DOORS?!

>>350955

What?

>>350935

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electric_Judgment

This may interest you.

How do I set up a Trial of the Spirit for a player? The other trials are things that a player will do naturally but figuring out the Trial of the Spirit eludes me.

>>351076

Do you know how your player would realistically react to a psychedelic and metaphorical experience? It's a combination of a vision and a lucid dream with deep symbolic meaning. Your player should understand what the general idea of the scene you present symbolizes so he can at least know what the maybe right and maybe wrong course of action is. Or you can just covertly pass sticky notes telling him what it is and which course of action leads to which outcome to keep the other players in the dark.

How you'd go about setting it up is up to you, it should be when he's in a deep trance or a situation that makes him high though just don't tell him outright.

>>351013

I just want a Sith that heals peasants' illnesses while he murders and tortures all his political enemies and make weird genetic experiments with outlaws.

>>351087

Dark Side has the best healing powers, but he has to be really angry. Think an angry black man staring down the wounds with the meanest mother fucking glare to make them go away.

>>351088

So… the dark side is, in fact, the ghetto side?

Is there any problem with using the explanation that stormtroopers compared to actual canon fodder are roughly equivalent to Army vs. Marines: Slightly, but not massively, higher standards and heavy emphasis on esprit de corps and while a minority, not enough of one to make stormtroopers rare?

>>351087

> Valad Tep

> Born into a prestigious noble family on his home world. When he and his brothers force sensitivity were discovered they were both taken to be trained as Jedi.

> The closest Jedi temple was several systems away and on a hostile planet governed by a harsh and brutal regime tempered only by it's emperors mystical reverence for the Jedi.

> After a short interstellar war Tep's home was conquered by the small stellar empire he had been raised in. His family was butchered, his properties were razed and the Jedi watched

> The Jedi watched.

> While they did not approve of such gross expansionism the petty emperor held control of vital mineral resources for the republic and opposing him and his temperamental judgement could cause more harm for the republic at large than a single backwater systems loss of sovereignty.

> It was a very dispassionate and reasonable defense for Jedi neutrality.

> Young Tep was assured that while he may have suffered personally his people would not be treated harshly

> He was taught to separate himself from his emotions

> He was taught to think of balance and the needs of the many

> As a show of good faith Valad Tep was sent as the personal liaison from the emperor to the new planetary government. Hopefully a familiar face would calm any plot for rebellion.

> It was all very diplomatic

> Then all was very silent, communications between the new government and their foreign masters ceased

> an envoy was sent to investigate the situation

> they never returned

> then a broadcast echoed in the midst of the stars

> "You came to the land of my ancestors and to the race of my people and did us great harm, though we had done you no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of this world, wanting to punish the Republic I have come here and taken it from you".

> accompanied by a video feed of forty Jedi, impaled on stakes and kept alive by dark and powerful force sorceries.

> Thus began the rule of Darth Drakghoul

>>351132

Took me a moment, but noice. Does he place a bowl of pure aurodium http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aurodium/Legends in the central plaza of his capital, which then electrocutes anyone who tries to steal it?

Does anyone not care that much about the Old Republic?

The setting I mean the games were great but I never understood the hype for the setting of it all

>>351169

What's the problem(s) that you have with it?

>>351176

Im not a huge jedi/sith fan so that correlates with it but I seriously dont get why it needs to be 1,000 years before. A REALLY long time ago in galaxy far far away does not sit right with me.

>>351197

Really the only thing that bugs me is how little difference there is. Hyperdrives have lower numbers and that's pretty much it.

>>351198

Okay you explained it better than me it doesn't feel like its old whatsoever same aliens,same archetypes, and almost all the sith are British for some reason.

>>351203

There is an unlimited power in being British.

>>351198

>>351197

>>351203

To be honest, it is the biggest weakness of the Old Republic Era. I like the stories set in it, and they wouldn't really work if set 5 minutes before the Clone Wars or just after the Battle of Endor, but it is a bit ridiculous that the biggest difference tech-wise is stuff like personal energy shields or kolto being used instead of bacta. That having been said I can't really think of any solution better than just ignoring the other eras when looking at it and vice versa.

>>351274

I kinda like the Old Republic setting because there is room for Siths to be nice guys and Jedi to be assholes.

Silly question. While I kinda like the whole light saber wanking, I was wondering if fist fighter force users would be viable on the setting.

>>351282

I dunno if there's any specific force user unarmed martial arts but I always figured that unarmed hand-to-hand was the kind of thing taught to Jedi Padawans so it wouldn't be all too crazy. I mean you can't assume you'd have a lightsaber on you all the time.

>>351283

>>351282

>>351284

kinda looks like Samurai Jack, same artists?

>>351292

DA

>>351282

Type "iknowkungfu" into the console in Jedi Academy. It unlocks a hidden grapple style based on garbing your foes then force throwing them. It's extremely rough and only included as an easter egg, but could easily be expanded on in an RPG.

>>351282

FFG's character creation system would make this a snap to do. It's basically just augmenting the available hand-to-hand combat system with force abilities and relevant Force powers.

>>351329

>NPCs have infinite force

>and can jump as high as they want

>but you're the only one smart enough to throw people off all the convenient ledges

>>348794

My group runs a really dumb two players joke campaign with Saga when one of our players can't make it for the regular game. It's basically a parody of 90's American gangster bullshit grafted onto SW, 90% of our game time is dicking around in the pawn shop in the ghetto the other character (a fat middle aged Twilek male modeled on Carl from ATHF) owns.

>>351370

Stop greentexting empty lines, faggot.

>>351370

Now THIS is reddit spacing if I've ever seen it.

Good name for an R2 unit intended to repair the player's ship while they're away

>>351723

R2.

>>351723

Ay Eff Kay

>>351723

R2-2NR

"Auto-tuner"

>>351704

>>351721

You two are the first Anons to ever tell me to stop formatting my greentexts like that in years. I don't know how to feel about that.

>>351761

Are you fucking with me right now?

>>351762

No, I've formatted all my greentexts like that.

>>351765

Well when it came to news articles it would be paragraph before the space, but yeah pretty much how I always greentext. I just don't do story time.

>>351763

That's bullshit. Either you never post or you're lying. I refuse to believe other anons would let you get away with greentexting empty fucking lines.

>>351767

I never story timed on here pretty much the entire time this board has been up, until now, so at most you'd see 1 line of the relevant post or no greentext at all since quoting is the primary time I ever greentext. Otherwise no the other boards where I do greentext more lines have not given me shit for that at all in like years. Probably because it's not much different from simply spacing between lines. I'm willing to stop cause why not.

>>351768

Where the fuck do you post?

>>351771

Here, /k/ and before that whole crab autist losing his shit over newsplus thing /n/ as well but I don't really go there anymore in like over a year. Like I said I'm willing to change it since nobody ever said anything I figured it was alright.

>>351777

I am on /k/, yah fucking cunt >>>/k/526353 /k/ and this board are slow enough that if you want I can point to youa post I made 5 months ago in this thread as well >>324725

>>351780

>Canadian

That explains everything.

>>351780

Oh, they just fucking ignored you. Got it.

>>351783

Word of advice, you're on a board with Canadian regulars, not telling them off is never going to work.

>>>/k/530563

>>351786

Don't worry buddy, I tell people off all the time. I've noticed people aren't as accepting of it as they were a few years ago.

>>351787

What did you expect? Once we get tired of blaming people by race AND nationality, we'll just abandon race altogether.

>>351787

I noticed that too, but I'm warning you all Canadians are autists just waiting to burst their spaghetti wide open. IF every Canadian on this site posted to their whims and fancy instead of holding back the entire site would jump in posting activity by an order of magnitude of about 3-5 on every board. And every single post would be shit beyond compare.

>>351789

Then we'll have to find something else to blame people for.

>>351791

Is there any chance we can harness the good autism while filtering out the bad autism?

>>351797

Eh, not really I mean outside explaining what they're doing is bad and telling them off then showing them the right way to do it. For example all my caps I have saved don't have that sort of greentext format and I only noticed it just now because someone actually singled that out.

>>350848

who were the other 2? sorry, am newfag to the EU

>>350637

what is it now?

>>351900

Insanely large corporation that can throw money and people at projects until they hit or miss. Sometimes they're really good, like Inside Out, or Toy Story 3, and sometimes they manage to Cars 2 it. Thing is, even when they mess up, it's still relatively harmless, and popular enough with kids that they still make it out with merchandising.

Basically, the main reason their new stuff is good isn't because it's Disney, it's because they manage to throw the right people at the right project.

I want to make an adventure on Dantoonie early in the Empire for PC Jedi to collect lightsaber crystals. While Ilum is blockaded Dantoonie is barely populated at this time and the caves haven't been known for thousand+ years and the ancient holochron/surviving Jedi/whatever has knowledge of it while the Empire does not. How do I expand it beyond "enter cave, kill bugs, collect crystals"? All I can think of is some old battle droids from the clone wars still working.

>>351922

Force ghosts? Remnants of an old jedi enclave slaughtered six thousand years ago.

Another question about the lore and the Sith.

Are there any Sith the species left in the last age of Starwars? You know, red tentaclefaced and even horned people.

>>352286

By the time of the Old Republic there were maybe a hand full of full blooded Sith.

By the time of the movies there might be a thin little Sith blood left in the witches that spawned Darth Maul. Maybe.

>>351922

Seen the Tartokovsky Clone Wars? Give the PC a spirit trip like Anakin did with the rat injuns.

Force crystals summoning shadows of the PC's darkside.

Perhaps theres a few blood red crystals laying about the entrance. The shades of Siths past, angry at their loss and the Jedi's continued existence, try to fug up things. How does 'roving ball of force lightning with an angry face' sound?

>>352296

I see.

The old republic age sounds much more interesting.

>>352302

it's the furthest thing from his influence, of course it's good

>>352305

You mean Lucas? All official EU material had to be vetted by Lucas or his team before Disney bought Star Wars. Honestly the biggest problem with the time of the movies is there is way too much EU material it's like the Forgotten Realms of DnD, you can't really do anything with it. The Old Republic on the other hand is a thousand years ago and there is Sith and flawed Jedi up the ass you can play around with.

>>352308

Which is why KOTOR was an excellent move, going back to a time which only the old Tales of the Jedi/Golden Age of the Sith comics (read those, by the way) established any material. It gave Bioware and Obsidian immense leeway to develop the Galaxy without clashing into the movies.

>>352325

You mean the rest of the EU, I don't know why you assume I'm talking about the movies alone. The movies by themselves have very little detail without the EU.

>>351922

Have some Imperial acheological expedition to the old academy there looking for any remaining Jedi artifacts to confiscate/destroy and have them about to find the caves?

>>350516

>what sucks is TLJ damn near retcond every thing about jedi and the force, the jedi order is trash, anyone can be a force sue, prophecy is useless,

See embed related.

>and grey is the best way.

See embed related's follow-up, "The Failure of the Grey Jedi."

>>350830

Disney very explicitly stated that ALL of the EU is now noncanon. NuWars will ignore everything that's not the movies, unless the new writers come across something in the old stuff that they want to steal and write off as their own.

How do I into EU/Old Republic Aren't both of those EU? I see them being used separately in this thread? I've read Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi (set about 40 ABY), and years ago I read the last of the Darth Bane trilogy.

>>352396

EU wise I'd say give Shadows of the Empire and Heir to the Empire a try.

>>352396

For EU as a whole, the Thawn Trilogy is a must for post-Endor. For video games Dark Force video game series (Dark Forces, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, the expansion pack Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Outcast, and Jedi Academy) are the most integral story wise (Kyle is a big part of Luke's New Jedi Order).

Is there any precedent in the EU for "mundane" (sensor proof) in-atmosphere stealth craft?

I found a copy of the Crystal Star at thrift store. If it's as bad as everyone says, then I know how it probably ended up there.

What are some Star Wars games with original music that are remixes of the John Williams themes? Can only think of Republic Command and Dark Forces.

>>352486

Probably.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Reflec/Legends Ground stuff.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sensor_jammer There doesn't seem to be a specialized ship of that sort (that I've yet seen), but a device equipped to a vessel.

>>352484

>Thawn Trilogy

Thanks for reminding me of that. I first saw Thrawn and the Chiss in Outbound Flight and I'd definitely want to go deeper into that. Never got around to it for some reason.

>>352518

http://crashrhinoceros.com/STAR%20WARS/Star%20Wars%20-%20%5BAdventure%20Journal%2011%5D%20-%20Mist%20Encounter%20(by%20Timothy%20Zahn).pdf I take it then that you'll enjoy this.

I want to include some TIE Fighters in a space battle, but don't want an overwhelming Imperial capital ship or to use something non-standard for the Imperials. What's the lowest "level" Imperial or Clone Wars Republic craft with a 4+ fighter complement?

>>352549

Going by Wookieepedia, all instances of it carrying 4 were in NuCanon. In fact in the true canon it seems the use as a starship carrier is a Rebel refit and not any kind of stock config.

Is The Star Wars (Comic based on Lucas's really early draft of the first film) any good?

>>352548

>>352549

>>352551

Found something: Consular-class cruiser. From Starships of the Galaxy (and somehow not on Wookieepedia)

>During the Clone Wars, Consular-class ships with specialized salon pods served as fighter carriers, missile cruisers, medicial ships, long-range scouts and point-defense escorts

Would not be unusual or non-standard for Imperials to have some setup to carry fighters and it's totally unarmed without modification. Going by the book's modification system, just replacing the pod gets 25 points of customization, with a hanger that holds 1 TIE costing 8. Either use two (with room for light weapons), or covert 350 of it's 1000 tons for one point per 50 (can be done more for basic weapons).

clone wars (either series)>originals>new trilogy>prequels

>>352602

>new trilogy

Nigger I've seen The Last Jedi it is awful and I wouldn't even pretend any of the new trilogy is in the same league as the prequels.

Any precedent for cortosis/phrik/decorative crossguards on lightsabers? All a search can find is Disney's shit designs (I'm sad because I actually managed to forget about that).

>>352869

Yes. Darth Bane's section in The Book of Sith mentions their use, and that they're quite handy in a fight.

>>352870

Thanks.

Any notable sapient species in the Confederacy of Independent Systems beyond those of their leadership?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Confederacy_of_Independent_Systems/Legends#Government_and_Politics

>>352899

The guys who build the Droidekas although technically they're independent they sell their own design to anyone but the Confederacy and Trade Federation with absurdly high price markups. And of course the Trade Federation itself as their backers, and some other groups. There is tons of planets on their side though so you can make shit up but they're heavily reliant on their droid armies.

>>351274

Wasn't the only difference between kolto and bacta that kolto was produced naturally and bacta artificially

>>353382

Bacta is better, but that doesn't matter at all.

>>351274

Personal energy shields aren't even unique to Old Republic, just more common. It's canon that Kyle actually carries around a rare personal shield generator instead of that just being a game mechanic.

I wanted to make some pregens for a one-shot that starts in an imperial cell (that I won't run anytime soon, but wanted on hand). Would like 8 so there's enough to cover all roles, ensure everyone has a choice even if they pick last, and handle a player count not set in stone.

Currently have

>smuggler that didn't get away as clean as intended

>bounty hunter the Imperials decided to arrest on trumped up charges rather than pay

>force sensitive non-Jedi "waiting" for the Inquisitors

>planetary security soldier that saw something the empire wants to keep quiet but needs to know who else saw or was told

>rebel officer that bought time for the rest of the squad to get away

Any suggestion for the other 3?

>>353393

>Former Podracer arrested for illegally racing

>Doctor awaiting trial for being a rebel sympathizer

>disgruntled prison guard that helps the party

>explosive artist awaiting execution for wanton destruction of Imperial property

>>353400

First two are good, though other two have their problems (breaks a lot of the start and minimal equipment for their shtick)

Oh forgot to note, adventure involves ladders and some zero-g (Based on Starfall) so droids don't really work.

>>353393

>Imperial intelligence plant with a made up crime

>>353914

As someone who played the Smuggler and Agent storylines I can confidently say that the Agent storyline is honestly a pretty good spy story in a Star Wars setting. It suffers a bit from MMO mechanics meaning there's little actual stealth but I'd say it's well worth downloading and playing through. That having been said however the Smuggler storyline was absolute dogshit so I wouldn't advise trying out the other storylines after you've played it and I'm pretty sure they locked Twi'leks behind a paywall when they went free to play.

Just don't expect the kind of freedom of choice you'd find in an actual RPG, especially when most 'choices' are flat Lightside/Darkside decisions that affect absolutely nothing in the long term. On top of that, being an MMO you'll often find yourself having to slog across fairly large maps to get to actual story events, the companions you get are mechanically all identical to eachother and 99% of the sidequests are dull shit I stopped doing once I worked out I was a high enough level to just hammer through the story content without any grinding.

Ultimately the Imperial Agent storyline is a good story trapped in a shitty MMO. If it had been made into its own thing a la Alpha Protocol it'd probably be one of the great Star Wars titles (even if it had Alpha Protocol gameplay), as it is it's just a pleasant surprise that reminds you that the MMO/RPG hybrid idea of SWTOR was a stupid idea.

>>353952

-t. Kinofag

>>353952

>imblying I go anywhere near that cesspit except when Disney releases new garbage

The cartoons (both of them),video games, and comics saved Clone Wars

>>353970

From what?

>>353975

Maybe part of it is how cornball Kevin J's writing can be.

>>353975

It got Kotor 1 & 2, that's quite a bit of love.

>>353979

Yeah but Star Wars it at one of its best points when its corny. Also met Kevin J Anderson (my dad did some work for him) got a bunch of his young jedi books autographed. Nice guy, lived in a castle like house that was pretty neat.

>>353954

Actually, that pdf is a 108-page rebuttal to the initial Plinkett review of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. It’s 108 pages because the author goes over the entire 70-minute review point by point, complete with time stamps and direct quotes.

Obviously it was written by someone who had a bit of a bone to pick with Red Letter Media, but I found it a useful read simply because it pointed out that there are multiple times during the course of his review where Mike Stoklasa outright lies about the contents of the film while using cheap editing tricks to make his words seem true.

>>353987

W'awww.

You're right, it is charming that way. Vid related.

>>353991

Yes, I knew that. I was bristling at the insinuation that I was some dumbass /tv/ memester.

The counter-review is also handy if you want to see a reasonable critique of TPM which also takes into account its virtues.

>>353974

Canon discontuinity? But why would you care about nuStar Wars when you can just stick with Legends all the way?

>>354035

>with most of the lightside stuff seriously lacking.

Jedi Knight is okay, if you like that sort of story with the typical rise to power and fighting an evil emperor. And other than the Imp Agent the Sith Warrior path is pretty good too. Those are the three stories I hear everyone rave about. Personally I played Sith Inquisitor and that was pretty fun too if you're in to being evil and gaining ancient powers.

>Twi'leks are behind a paywall

I suggest just paying for a subscription while you play, that way you don't have to deal with a lot of the f2p jewry. Amazon has a special deal where you can get 3 months plus a bunch of extra shit for $40 (a great deal for what they're offering and most notable because it comes with a bunch of cartel coins you can use to pay for unlocks to make it so when you go back to f2p you're not as miserable), look for "Star Wars: The Old Republic – Knights of the Eternal Throne – Amazon Premium Pack"

Honestly TOR is a good enough game if you play it co-op with a friend, or even solo as just a single player game. TOR's real problem is it's shitty at being an MMO, which is a bad thing for something that put so much effort and cash in to being an MMO. They would have been better off releasing KOTOR III. My intent is to play through all the class stories before it shuts down (no rumors on that yet, but with how EA is pissing off Disney with their loot box shit I'm sensing the time is closer than we think).

>>354069

Thanks Anon, I'm getting a nice fat paycheck this week so I'll probably dive in this weekend. As much as I wish they had just made KOTOR III, this is probably the closest we're ever going to get, so I'll take it.

Does any game have rules for piloting/driving walkers? Or being their gunners, for that matter?

>>353914

>My friend keeps telling me how great the Imperial Agent storyline is, but I have no interest in actually playing with other people.

You can play the entire story for any TOR class without playing with other people.

The game has been made so easy, in fact, that you can even do most of the multiplayer content while leveling up solo with easily obtainable gear. The only people I'd recommend TOR to would be those who want to see a storyline or two then never touch it again.

>>354139

seconded, you could finish any of the stories in a one month sub, but 3 months means you won't have to feel like you're rushing it.

>>355696

Depends on your players. Do they like building characters mechanically?

Saga has an advantage of being one of the few class based systems where it's trivial to make two characters of the same class play completely differently.

>>355700

Not sure if they prefer mechanical character creation, but I was leaning towards Saga because I know they like a battle mat grid with miniatures for a very tactics-game-like experience in battle. What's the big difference in character creation between the two, I don't have much experience on the differences and I come from Shadowrun 3e and how it works (skill based, no levels, no classes) and that's really all I know at the moment.

>YT-1300 model is over 60 years old

>has been replaced at least 4 times

>has a reputation for being one of the most, bland, average, basic ships in the galaxy

Luke's first impression of the Falcon actually seems pretty reasonable with the way the YT-1300 was treated by the EU.

>>356048

Oh and in Heir to the Empire Han implies there aren't many functional YT-1300s left by 9ABY

>>356048

>>356114

Well Han Solo is damn good because he can make a miracles with a hunk of junk.

>>356048

> 60 years old

> Starships have existed for thousands of years

> It's a freighter by design, so all it really needs is cargo space and a big engine

> Believing the (((Toydarian))) when he says your ship is too old and needs to be replaced

>>356129

To be fair, he's made so many modifications to the Falcon that it should be spaceship equivalent of a Lada chassis slapped on over a 911's guts.

>>356048

>Luke's first impression of the Falcon actually seems pretty reasonable with the way the YT-1300 was treated by the EU.

>>356129

>Well Han Solo is damn good because he can make a miracles with a hunk of junk.

This is still true for the Disney canon, at least for now; The whole reason Rey called the Falcon "Garbage" was because as far as she knew, it was just a lemon of a YT-1300 her owner couldn't sell.

It wasn't until she was told by Han freaking Solo himself that it was THE Millennium Falcon and that her innards had been horrible mangled by the numinous hands it has past through between Han and Jakku.

>>356114

>Oh and in Heir to the Empire Han implies there aren't many functional YT-1300s left by 9ABY

I find this hard to believe, since the YT series didn't have another successful iteration until the 1930 well into the reign of the Empire, and even that wasn't as popular as the 1300…

Hell, the Falcon's own reputation probably cemented the continued use of the 1300, and much like what happened with the Dukes of Hazzard and Dodge Chargers, probably flooded the Galaxy with wanna-be Falcon rip-offs.

>>356165

"Hang on a minute," Han growled, still frowning at Leia. "He's okay for now - all they're using is hand blasters. Anyway, if things get too hot, he can always use the-"

He broke off, a strange look on his face. A second later, Leia got it, too. "The underside swivel blaster," she said. "Why isn't he using it?"

"Good question," Han said grimly. He leaned out again, taking a hard look this time… and when he ducked back under cover there was a sardonic half-grin on his face. "Simple answer: that's not the Falcon."

"What?" Wedge asked, his jaw dropping a couple of centimeters.

"It's a fake," Han told him. "I can't believe it - these guys actually dug up a working YT-1300 from somewhere."

Wedge whistled softly. "Boy, they must really want you bad."

>>356195

That's still odd, as there were apparently "Hundreds of thousands" of YT-1300 still in service in 7th Legacy of the Force novel, at that was set in 40ABY…

>>356199

Heir to the Empire was the novel that really got the expanded universe started in full. It's from 1991, it's not perfect. For another example, it's from a time when nobody knew what the Clone Wars actually were, so the first generation of clones are apparently known for their instability, even though there's nothing that I'm aware of to suggest any problems with the clone troopers.

>>356205

Yeah, that was one of the problem with the expanded universe, it started before there was really any effort to enforce continuity.

>>356199

The easy explanation would be something like old WW2 SMGs: They're known and relatively common, but most of the ones in use by people in the first world/core have long been replaced while the prices on those that remain and are the right configuration/condition to remotely pass for the Falcon have been driven up in price, well beyond their their practical worth, by the Falcon's fame. Clones would also help: PPSH and Sten copies are still being made, with professional factories churning out clones as late as the Yugoslav wars.

>>356266

>>356267

Do you have a problem posting?

>>356301

You might wanna keep your toaster away from threads around 600 posts because your toaster won't be able to handle it I think.

>>356301

bro that is some bad luck

How does Ki Veltruse sound as a name for a Neimoidian villain?

Follows the same pattern as Nute Gunray with a different (and more evil) president (with a contemporary mispronunciation of his name) and congressional leadership.

>>356751

Sounds good to me. Here are some other example Neimoidian names from the Saga core rules book: Daultay Dofine, Hath Monchar, Jurnel Arrant, Kund Ekorr, Lott Dod, Lufa Danak, Rune Haako, Tey How.

Just looking at those your name looks like it fits right in.

So I know this might be an unwelcome question, but has Lucasfilm released or licensed any decent /tg/ material since 2015?