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ITT: we realistically discuss methods of highly anonymous messaging and/or publication (such as imageboards) and, more importantly, how effective they might be against a passive global adversary.
Assumptions:
>the users are not under proper targeted surveillance prior to their communication, consider them just privacy-conscious nerds or low-tier criminals
>typical conditions apply
>scope is limited to the Internet, meaning that we assume no spyware exists on the system (unless you wish to debate that all hardwares/OSs are permanently spying)
Opening examples:
1) Anon uses Tor Browser to post her /pol/ essays on an .onion site. They do not enable JS during their visit. Can US agencies help Mossad discover the real name of this dissident?
2) Anon uses his Signal app through a nordic VPN to coordinate a chat group of 500 Hong Kong protesters. Can China find him through the crowd of clones to hijack his phone?
3) Anon uses I2P to download a car. Publishers successfully lobby Trump's government to allow online pirates to be labelled 'economical terrorists' and the FBI is using full capability to hunt them down. Will Anon have to sell his slick new car to hire a lawyer?
>inb4 unironic /pol/
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▶ No.1075311
>>1075304 (OP)
It's all about traffic analysis, the only way to be real anonymous today is hiding behind 7 proxies.
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▶ No.1075314>>1075318 >>1075320 >>1075593 >>1075596
>>1075304 (OP)
>methods of highly anonymous
>no spyware exists
>i2p
Dependency
Java Runtime Version 7 or higher. (Oracle, OpenJDK, or IcedTea Java Version 7 or 8 recommended, except
Raspberry Pi: OpenJDK 9 for ARM, PowerPC: IBM Java SE 7 or 8)
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▶ No.1075318>>1075332 >>1075593 >>1075596
>>1075314
>what is i2pd
GO BACK
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▶ No.1075320>>1075324
>>1075314
Okay, so what's your point?
armv7# pkgin install openjdk8-1.8.192
calculating dependencies...done.
5 packages to install:
ttmkfdir2-20021109nb6 zip-3.0nb3 unzip-6.0nb8 dejavu-ttf-2.37 openjdk8-1.8.192
0 to refresh, 0 to upgrade, 5 to install
56M to download, 163M to install
proceed ? [Y/n]
ttmkfdir2-20021109nb6.tgz 100% 27KB 26.7KB/s 00:01
zip-3.0nb3.tgz 100% 127KB 63.6KB/s 00:02
unzip-6.0nb8.tgz 100% 114KB 57.1KB/s 00:02
dejavu-ttf-2.37.tgz 100% 2429KB 347.0KB/s 00:07
openjdk8-1.8.192.tgz 100% 53MB 610.2KB/s 01:29
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▶ No.1075324>>1075325
>>1075320
He has a point regarding to the Java version.
You go back too.
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▶ No.1075325>>1075327
>>1075324
Go back where, exactly? Also he needs to say exactly what he means, there are no mind readers here. I thought he was saying Java is spyware.
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▶ No.1075327>>1075328
>>1075325
>I thought he was saying Java is spyware.
Java is not spyware but insecure as fuck.
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▶ No.1075328
>>1075327
Is that so? Why are they using it for stuff like i2p and freenet? Are they that stupid or are you just trolling?
Anyway I only installed it to play an old gamebook "emulator", so it doesn't even matter either way. This is literally the only thing I ever used Java for.
https://sourceforge.net/projects/flapp/
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▶ No.1075332
>>1075318
>what is i2pd
Where?
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▶ No.1075335>>1075593
>>1075304 (OP)
use Bitmessage
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▶ No.1075340
>>1075310
And it's also still broken.
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▶ No.1075508>>1075538 >>1075545
>Anon uses Tor Browser to post her /pol/ essays on an .onion site. They do not enable JS during their visit. Can US agencies help Mossad discover the real name of this dissident?
stylometry, background analysis, criminal profiling will be used. read about Ted Kaczynski
>Anon uses his Signal app through a nordic VPN to coordinate a chat group of 500 Hong Kong protesters. Can China find him through the crowd of clones to hijack his phone?
yes, absolutely. all they need is an useragent grabber
>Anon uses I2P to download a car. Publishers successfully lobby Trump's government to allow online pirates to be labelled 'economical terrorists' and the FBI is using full capability to hunt them down. Will Anon have to sell his slick new car to hire a lawyer?
don't know about i2p. too small test sample
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▶ No.1075538>>1075593
>>1075508
>stylometry, background analysis, criminal profiling will be used. read about Ted Kaczynski
so maybe we need a software to change style of text. maybe it should be built into Tor Browser
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▶ No.1075545
>>1075508
Investigative work takes a shit ton of time and effort. And until there's truly intelligent "AI" it'll likely take about as much as it always did.
The FBI did all it could to find Ted and they couldn't, it took him autistically using the same phrase for 20 years ("cold headed logicians") and storing the bombs, bomb making materials and manifesto in his own fucking residence, if he stored them in an undisclosed location he might've even gotten scot free.
Pro tip: if you're planning on coercing a newspaper into publishing your manifesto by bombing random people, don't send an almost verbatim copy to your cuck brother who'll rat you out to the police.
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▶ No.1075593
>>1075335
>>1075555
Shut the fuck up you cunt.
Your comment is worthless. You could have read the first fucking sentence of this thread, but you didn't. I hope you never see this reply because you have left or died, never to return.
>>1075314
>>1075318
Those are good points. Do you think i2pd should be trusted any less due to being unofficial?
Someone tried to make go-i2p but it hasn't been touched since '17.
>>1075538
>so maybe we need a software to change style of text. maybe it should be built into Tor Browser
Not a bad idea. IIRC those tools are effective so long as they are offline and others use it too (if online, can possibly log input+output and IP of the request, defeating the purpose). I didn't see one mentioned on TAILS site which is surprising.
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▶ No.1075596
>>1075314
>>1075318
From https://geti2p.net/en/comparison/tor
>Benefits of I2P over Tor
>Java, not C (ewww)
Benefits of Tor over I2P
C, not Java (ewww)
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