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The red calf being born signals the coming of the Jewish messiah, or mashiach. The Jewish mashiach is not Jesus.

The idea of mashiach (messiah) is an ancient one in Judaism

The Jewish idea of mashiach is a great human leader like King David, not a savior

There is much speculation about when the mashiach will come

The Bible identifies several tasks that the mashiach will accomplish

Jews do not believe in Jesus because he did not accomplish these tasks

It is written that:

Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)

And:

The mashiach will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)

Jews do not believe that Jesus was the mashiach. Assuming that he existed, and assuming that the Christian scriptures are accurate in describing him (both matters that are debatable from the Jewish perspective), he simply did not fulfill the mission of the mashiach as it is described in the biblical passages cited above. Jesus did not do any of the things that the scriptures said the messiah would do.

On the contrary, another Jew born about a century later came far closer to fulfilling the messianic ideal than Jesus did. His name was Shimeon ben Kosiba, known as Bar Kokhba (son of a star), and he was a charismatic, brilliant, but brutal warlord. Rabbi Akiba, one of the greatest scholars in Jewish history, believed that Bar Kokhba was the mashiach. Bar Kokhba fought a war against the Roman Empire, catching the Tenth Legion by surprise and retaking Jerusalem. He resumed sacrifices at the site of the Temple and made plans to rebuild the Temple. He established a provisional government and began to issue coins in its name. This is what the Jewish people were looking for in a mashiach; Jesus clearly does not fit into this mold. Ultimately, however, the Roman Empire crushed his revolt and killed Bar Kokhba. After his death, all acknowledged that he was not the mashiach.

Throughout Jewish history, there have been many people who have claimed to be the mashiach, or whose followers have claimed that they were the mashiach: Shimeon Bar Kokhba, Shabbatai Tzvi, Jesus, and many others too numerous to name. Leo Rosten reports some very entertaining accounts under the entry for meshiekh in The New Joys of Yiddish. But all of these people died without fulfilling the mission of the mashiach; therefore, none of them were the mashiach. The mashiach and the Olam Ha-Ba lie in the future, not in the past.

Source: http://www.jewfaq.org/m/mashiach.htm

According to Rabbi Michael J. Cook, Professor of Intertestamental and Early Christian Literature at the Hebrew Union College, there are ten themes in the New Testament that are the greatest sources of anxiety for Jews:

1. The Jews are culpable for crucifying Jesus - as such they are guilty of deicide

2. The tribulations of the Jewish people throughout history constitute God's punishment of them for killing Jesus

3. Jesus originally came to preach only to the Jews, but when they rejected him, he abandoned them for gentiles instead

4. The Children of Israel were God's original chosen people by virtue of an ancient covenant, but by rejecting Jesus they forfeited their chosenness - and now, by virtue of a New Covenant (or "testament"), Christians have replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, the Church having become the "People of God."

5. The Jewish Bible (the so-called "Old Testament") repeatedly portrays the opaqueness and stubbornness of the Jewish people and their disloyalty to God.

6. The Jewish Bible contains many predictions of the coming of Jesus as the Messiah (or "Christ"), yet the Jews are blind to the meaning of their own Bible.

7. By the time of Jesus' ministry, Judaism had ceased to be a living faith.

8. Judaism's essence is a restrictive and burdensome legalism.

9. Christianity emphasizes excessive love, while Judaism maintains a balance of justice, God of wrath and love of peace.

10. Judaism's oppressiveness reflects the disposition of Jesus' opponents called "Pharisees" (predecessors of the "rabbis"), who in their teachings and behavior were hypocrites (see Woes of the Pharisees).

Rabbi Cook believes that both contemporary Jews and contemporary Christians need to reexamine the history of early Christianity, and the transformation of Christianity from a Jewish sect consisting of followers of a Jewish Jesus into a different religion.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_and_the_New_Testament

What is striking about Judaism is that argument and the hearing of contrary views is of the essence of the religious life. Moses argues with God. That is one of the most striking things about him. He argues with Him on their first encounter at the burning bush. Four times he resists God’s call to lead the Israelites to freedom, until God finally gets angry with him (Ex. 3:1–4:7). More significantly, at the end of the parsha he says to God:

“Lord, why have you brought trouble on this people? Why did You send me? Since I came to Pharaoh to speak in Your name, he has brought trouble on this people, and You have not rescued Your people at all.” (Ex. 5:22-23).

This is extraordinary language for a human being to use to God. But Moses was not the first to do so. The first was Abraham, who said, on hearing of God’s plan to destroy the cities of the plain, “Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justice?” (Gen. 18:25).

Similarly, Jeremiah, posing the age-old question of why bad things happen to good people and good things to bad people, asked: “Why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all the faithless live at ease?” (Jer. 12:1). In the same vein, Habakkuk challenged God: “Why do You tolerate the treacherous? Why are You silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?” (Hab. 1:13). Job who challenges God’s justice is vindicated in the book that bears his name, while his friends who defended Divine justice are said not to have spoken correctly (Job 42:7-8). Heaven, in short, is not a safe space in the current meaning of the phrase. To the contrary: God loves those who argue with Him – so it seems from Tanakh.

Equally striking is the fact that the sages continued the tradition and gave it a name: argument for the sake of heaven,[7] defined as debate for the sake of truth as opposed to victory.[8] 

The result is that Judaism is, perhaps uniquely, a civilisation all of whose canonical texts are anthologies of arguments. Midrash operates on the principle that there are “seventy faces” to Torah and thus that every verse is open to multiple interpretations. The Mishnah is full of paragraphs of the form, “Rabbi X says this while Rabbi Y says that.” The Talmud says in the name of God himself, about the conflicting views of the schools of Hillel and Shammai, that “These and those are the words of the living God.”[9]

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KEK. gonna have to reverse search this.

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It doesn't matter to me if you think God in Christ saving all people is a problem. [/quote]

[You) I really don't see it as a problem, it's actually a great relief to me. Thank you very much for doing that. The water is looking more clear to me now.[/quote]

When God Speaks in the scriptures, the speech is to TWO separate and distinct entities, the person and the captor in their mind, the resistor, the devil, the agent of spiritual sleep/slumber/darkness/sin/evil.

One, the person, God is for and in behalf of. The other Gods is against. What is said to the person does not apply to the devil(s) and even more, they are "forced" to resist in the person.

(You) I know there is something I am supposed to be doing, but I'm not sure quite what it is yet.[/quote]

Our burden is easy, our yoke, Light. We are to both love our neighbors as ourselves AND abide in sound and proper judgments, bearing our own vessel in honor, as much as is possible.

The world becomes a vastly more interesting place when we perceive and understand the challenges of the dark and invisible entity class. Once any believer perceives them, understand that they also perceive that we perceive them. The battle is ongoing, daily. It's quite fascinating and sometimes even frightening to behold, when "they" resist, openly, to your face. God will SHOW them by arousing them to resist. His Words arouse the darkness to resist. Mark 4:15, Romans 7, 1 Cor. 15:56

(You) What do you think of the gnostic/apocrypha texts? Secret book of John, gospel of Thomas, might as well ask about Enoch while I have you on the line.[/quote]

Any penman that handles the Cadence of God properly will be recognizable. Any who don't will also be recognizable. I read any penman with that in mind, if they are engaged in the subjects of God in Christ. I look for the "Mark" makers. That is the understanding of TWO vessels in the same lump, the person, and the resistor, the devil(s). This is the hallmark of Godly penmen.

(You) Also are you a proponent of the "some sections of the Bible have been altered" theory, or are you in the "straight KJV only baby" camp?[/quote]

I prefer the KJV because the cadence to the two party system has been more preserved. Other translations have gutted a lot of that distinction. Neverthless I use and quote from other translations if it suits the subject better. For example I like the NIV rendering of Romans 11:32 over the KJV because in that case, it's more succinct to our ears.

I was initially sparked to believe by reading the Living Bible. And was "saved" after reading the book of John in the ESV. John really hit me in the heart. Still does.

[quote] Also any tips on dealing with someone who inevitably say "Hey Leviticus says put fags to death! GTFO with your old fashioned religion blah blah blah"? [/quote]

The Law is a very deep subject. Again, understanding The Divine Cadence, it's much more fascinating. The Law, undoubtedly, is an ALLEGORY. Paul taught it that way. So did Jesus. In Gal. 4 the lives of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar and Ishmael were turned into ALLEGORY. An allegory of what? The TWO party system, applicable to ALL. If these sections regarding all the parties above are allegories, then the balance is, likewise. The allegories all REVOLVE around God speaking to the person and to devils in man. I could write volumes about these details. For example, Pharaoh(s) is/are actually allegories of the Great Dragon, Satan. Not that Pharaoh as whatever particular man was Satan, but that their words and actions are representative of their internal captor, Satan. Ezekiel 29:3 for reference.

Swine and shellfish laws have nothing to do with physical swine and shellfish. And stoning disobedient children at the gate have nothing to do with killing physical children with physical stones. We "stone" our "internal" enemies with the Word of God.

(You) I plan spreading the good news to people my age and I already know this will be the #1 issue…whether they are gay or not. I can deal with pretty much any other issue in the Bible except this.[/quote]

Every person on this planet has been internally bound with particular enemies (that are not them) that they really didn't have much choice about. The sins of gays or lesbians are no different than my own. They just happened to get a different chunk of internal dragon meat to digest than I did. God in Christ Loves every person, regardless, and SAVES THEM in the end. And their captors will face Divine Eternal Judgment in endless torment.

That being said, I will not celebrate the sins of any person, starting with my own. The slivers in their eye seem as specks in comparison to what I see in myself, if I am seeing correctly. If sin is of the devil, if Satan does enter the heart to steal, that does mean that every evil does exist within me. There is my LOG in EYE.

Get it?

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But you also have every Good within you, too.

If I have to inside to get it, I'll reach in as deep as necessary.

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sounds like you need Jesus.

I shared this in another thread, but I since found this one and think it's more appropriate here.

Since being led to Q in July, I've been day the rabbit hole every day and found much confirmation of things I'd put together myself over the years. One that I've surprised to not hear is the connection between MK Ultra dissociative identities, sociopathy, and demonic possession. Having had much personal experience of both the sociopathic and the demonic, I have learned to see them as one and the same. Q posted a list of terms that included "projection" and either sociopathy or narcissism (they're so similar in their destructiveness that they can at times be used interchangeably). That seemed to me the perfect opening for what I'll share… I just wasn't confident until now about actually *sharing* it.

Watch the two videos I refer to here. In one, exorcist Malachi Martin discusses something called "perfect possession", which I personally correlate with sociopathy (and possibly some narcissism). *Note Fr. Martin's "no comment" on Bill Clinton.* You can listen to HOURS of interviews with Fr. Martin by Art Bell on YouTube (regardless of what you think of Mr. Bell, the interviews are amazing).

Then listen to the interview with Ron Patton on Lift the Veil (I know, I know… the young man who hosts doesn't accept Q but hey, he covers a lot of important topics). On there, Mr. Patton discusses MK Ultra mind control and, between minutes 50 and 55, he refers to the recovery rate of Christian survivors who are treated through deliverance ministries as opposed to non-Christian survivors who are treated therapeutically, recognizing that Christians have a much better recovery rate. The connection between MK Ultra and demonic possession and sociopathy is there, guys.

If there is a league of satanists raping and slaughtering children, do you think there just *might* be a *slight* element of demonic possession involved?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7_1Yw4eFg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmX3oiuxgiU

I’m new posting, versus reading/researching privately, so apologies if this is not the appropriate thread to post this in.

I’ve been trying to elaborate on the following dots:

In 1 John 5, a disabled man is found near the Pool of Bethesda by Jesus. 1 John 5:5 notes the man was 38 years old, the same age JFK Jr (“John-John”) was when he purportedly died - this was pointed out by another researcher. The figure “5:5” is ambiguously (as far as I’m aware) used by Q.

President JFK’s body was brought to a Bethesda hospital after he died, where it is said that doctors found his brain had been removed.

Trump and Melanie married at Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church (also near Trump’s Mar a Lago club, where an Epstein victim elleges she was nabbed from and put into sex slavery).

Lastly, Skyrim notified me of the existence of Bethesda games, where Trump’s younger brother once served on the board of.

Is there significance here? Is Bethesda simply a notable name, and so oft used, or is there more? Does John 5 hint at something more hidden?

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WOW. I'm already a huge believer in the R / JFK Jr stuff, but to have more confirmations is just amazing. That's fantastic work anon.

I always loved the Bethesda games (Morrowind, Oblivion, etc.) and it makes me smile knowing it has some connection to Q. This world just keeps getting more beautiful by the day…

I would say there's absolutely significance. You have the 5:5, the church, and Trump's brother on the board of the company. We would have to say…no coincidences.

Not sure how Q feels about digging too deep into that at the present moment though,…maybe save until after midterms? (Maybe they don't care…I just literally am not sure).

Dunno if right thread

Some folk claim Darby was funded by Jewish families in England. Dude founded rapture theology in 1830s. I think he was funded to splinter murica christianity.

http://www.bible.ca/rapture-origin-john-nelson-darby-1830ad.htm

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This might become unpopular but it is my belief that the Old Testament was a bunch of ferral Jews being used by the CHITAULI or CHITAURI (Aliens known as the Annunaki race that controlled earth for thousands of years) and they are the root of the bloodlines and Illuminati culture (Reptilian blood ritual, Elongated Rhesus Minus skulls, Death Cult, Third Eye of Chitauri, how they genetically enslaved us and removed our thelepathic abilities, Rape and Sex cult comes from them according to Shamans around the world, Pornography is also based on the worship of these Reptile false gods or Archons)

That is why the Abraham, Moses constantly defy their "Gods" and they argue like shitfaces. The only reason would be that he and a "false God that does not want to be seen" are into a complot and not a godly endeavour. Any of you ever think of this?

If the "real source" of it all was guiding you…. Silence and warmth will submerge you in a deep state of calmness and I believe a tremendous feeling of certainty and peace will put us in trance.

I also believe the barbaric and retarded things of the OT are proof that this theory of mine is not far fetched. The voice speaks out of the dark. God telling Moses and others that they "did not saw its form", to "not make any female or male representation of him/her God" (Deutoromy).

This to me is absolutely shocking and what ancient mysteries reveal may confirm again that these Gods or God is simply a "race of reptiles" who influenced earth for thousands of years.

I know it sounds nuts but the "source of creation" our True God, was definitelly NOT the God that guided the Jews out of Egypt.

That voice, that voice was an early example of MK Ultra possibly made by a Prince or Commander of the CHITAURI who took possession of the Jews and guided his tribe of 12 out of Egypt.

Why would God encourage the destruction among its creation. Makes no sense and absolutely DOES NOT follow Natural Law. Natural Law is the Law of the Universe and the only Law of God to my understanding.

I believe we may in the years to come find out more and more details into what the Jews, Christ, Chitauri, etc are. True religion is coming back but its form is impossible to explain to those that have not felt it within. Christ is "always" ascending…

Regardless, I have faith in the supreme Lord. Natural Law corrects everything. We might be heading into that correction.

Many say we are entering the "Era of Aquarius" where Prosperity comes. Vedics are saying that the Era of Sex under Scorpio is over and that we are now entering The Era of Truth under the influence of Saggitarius.

We will see. I am very happy that many of you mentionned these details above as it confirms that a few are paying attention.

I am also happy many of you said it is a bunch of lies alltogether. At least everybody gets to post. Unlike the true Nazis of Reddit!

Q said if you knew the whole truth, then most on Earth could not handle it. What if you are the SUB slave of a crossbread of reptilian alien mixed with modified human race female (Post Adamic era where men was divided and neutralized genetically into men and woman)? What if their temple in Jerusalem is simply a "sacrifice temple" or "altar" for their Reptilian ancesters to come back and take possession of their Earth?

What if Q could confirm that Rhesus Minus (negatif) is not from earth and is an abnomaly among Earth blood types.

What if Q could confirm all of this? Would you believe it? What if the Ark of The Covenant was simply an Alien communication device the entire time and this is why the Thule Society directed by the "Bloodlines" was simple attempting to recover their device to contact their Gods.

Good day kids.

Ps : Credo Mutwa (SA), Alhalaram Beqqi (Egypt), Santaya (Peru), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (India), LesEretikes (France), and Jesus Christ.

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Read my reply above. Mk Ultra comes from them. It comes from the German operatives and ultimately from the work and research guided by the bloodlines.

It is not demonic. It is worse. It is of Alien nature as Moses Auditive Hallucinations were in fact the first form of Mind Control possibly made by the CHITAURI (aka the Gods).

Go back to my reply above. Some of you might connect it all instantly and you might indeed shit your pants when you do.

Best of luck.

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Funny how every Goldstein I know is an absolute demonic scumbag jew. One of them ran a scam in Florida, another was killed in Israel and his brother fucks whores all day now with the reparation money… everytime you see a Goldstein start running. Almost 100% guarantee they are Evil!

All fags live forever. First crumb.

Hebrews 9:27

ESV: And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,

Original Greek: καὶ καθ’ ὅσον ἀπόκειται τοῖς ἀνθρώποις ἅπαξ ἀποθανεῖν, μετὰ δὲ τοῦτο κρίσις,

Transliterated Greek: kai kath' hoson apokeitai tois anthrōpois hapax apothanien, meta de touto krisis

English word for word: and in however-many apportionments these to-men once to-die, after now this crisis/discernment

English for idiotfags: and in however-many apportionments these men once dying, after now this crisis

Hebrews 9:28

English for idiotfags: so too this [crisis] Christ once giving-himself him for everyone carrying the-sins apart-from-himself, a-second-time [making this clear for you idiots] apart-from the-sins, see-him all him waiting for-his savior.

Hebrews 9:27-28 is clearly saying you die many times and everytime you face crisis. So look to Christ so that he may:

John 6:40

ESV: For this is the will of my father that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I shall raise him on the last day.

on THE last day?

Greek: en tē eschatē hēmera

English: on HIS furthest day

Look for Christ to be reincarnated immediately fags. Don't forget.

I can see how that translation could be interpreted as saying that people might die more than once. But, it does not clearly say that all people die many times. It says however many. Implying the possibility of more than once. But not necessarily more than once, and not that every individual dies more than once. Interesting, though.

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This is deeper research. The rest of you biblefags need to do moar like this fag.

1. Where was Abram born?

2. What name does the number 666 decrypt to?

3. During which festival did Jesus die?

4. What is the real name of Jesus?

Provide facts. Use your bible, use your concordance, use your language dictionary.

Well, I am of the numeric mind, in that I think numerology and such will tell more than different translations of the Bible. I think God’s message transcends language and translation, along with human intervention (or attempts at). However, anon that pointed out a translation here should not be disregarded either… how would one use different translations and harmonize them with the different numerical values they’d elicit?

It just might be the way to do things, but we are talking about a 2,000 some page book here.

33 is a favorite among “them.” Jesus = 33 at death.

Biblestudy.org has some goods info on numbers in the Bible.

33 supposed to represent promises. 33rd time Noah’s name is mentioned is when God makes the promise after the flood.

Rainbow is supposed to represent this, and could be an inverse of that promise when the occult uses the rainbow.

Used to represent relationships that don’t really result in the production of offspring. Depopulation agenda, whereas God saved a male and female of all species to continue population.

“Somewhere over the rainbow” - like somewhere “beyond” God’s promise?

“Elohim” mentioned 33 times in Genesis (originally, I guess). Others.

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What is the real name of Jesus?

And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name _, for He will save His people from their sins.

The name is related to the word save.

Matthew was originally written in Hebrew therefore the name must be a Hebrew word related to saving.

Going here: morfix.co.il/en

יֶשַׁע

salvation, help, rescue

http://www.morfix.co.il/en/%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A2

If his name is Yesha or EEsha then how did it become Jesus?

There are two ways to convert from language a into language b.

One way is to translate. You find a word in your target language that has the same or similar definition and use that word in place of the origin word.

The second way is to transliterate.

You use the phonetic pronunciation of your origin language and find phonetic similies in your target language.

The name Jesus is a transliteration of the Hebrew ישע.

The J in Jesus is pronounced as a Y. It is not an English J but carries the German heritage of this bible name, and therefore is pronounced Yesus. The S on the end is an addition from somewhere between the Greek and German bibles. Probably from the idea that the Roman naming system has names which end in S, therefore an S added to conform to the supposed Roman standard.

Subtracting the S we have:

Yesu (Yeh-sah)

Identical in phonetic pronunciation of the Hebrew:

Yesha (Yeh-shah or Yeh-sah)

Hebrew shin has two pronunciations, SH and S.

Conclusion:

The name of our salvation is YESHA.

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I asked her if she knew me three times.

She said "no".

It was really shocking since Jesus is a pretty common Hispanic name.

Also, Yesus made me chuckle.

I'll be my one-man party, tyvm!

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hoson and tois are definitely plural. This implies, plurality. However many of these [deaths] you get in everlasting life.

Most of the evangelion, i.e. the good news, is about these three topics: resurrection of Jesus and how this proves the resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, and finally the "return" of Christ when he leads all the souls of mankind, once perfected in flesh as in the manner of Melchizedek, into one of the many rooms of the Father he has gone to prepare for us.

Three distinct topics confounded when the Vetus Italica texts were promulgated by Constantine in the institution of the bureaucratic Church designed to enslave and hide the true message of Christ from us. To ensure the slavery and control matrix of the empire was maintained.

Also, don't forget:

Matthew 5:29-30

And if your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and cast it from you. For it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should be cast into Gehenna.

And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should depart into Gehenna.

Gehenna was a child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem. There is no "hell." You don't want to miss the mark (sin) on the epignosis of reality and end up reincarnating into the child sacrificing cults.

In, Hebrews 5 it clearly states that Jesus is the reincarnation of Melchizedek. Read it.

Psalm 110:4

The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent: 'You are a priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.'

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Mathew 19:30

But many who are first will be last, and the last will be first.

Reincarnation works of a FILO and LIFO queue system.

Those who believe in the savior have priority.

You die, you are good, you get first dibs to come back. You die, you are missing the mark on many things, you wait until a body is open to come back. The more our population grows the more brethren who have fallen asleep in the shadow of death get to come back.

If the occultfags depopulate the world, we will inherit it. It's a no win situation for evil.

How you break the wheel of karma in your life:

Luke 11:4

And forgive us our debts,

For we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us.

Forgive every transgression committed against you. You will break the wheel of karma in this way. Ponder this, very carefully.

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Come on, you know you can't roam without Caesar.

>things get less troublesome when you just stop worrying about identities.

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Corrections to previous crumb.

of = off

I said this wrong: "you wait until a body is open to come back," it should be: "you wait until an opening is available for you to come back."

We reincarnate body, soul (mind and emotions), and spirit. A codification of the Holy Trinity in ourselves.

Your soul reconfigures the host DNA upon entry to form your body. There is an affinity to reincarnate into your same bloodlines, you have familiarity with those around you to help accomplish your mission of perfecting yourself in body, soul and spirit; and your soul has affinity to the DNA present at the moment of conception and later through methylation of the DNA (read: epigenetics) in order to "bootload" your body so that your mind and emotions can express themselves in full. The spirit is divine and eternal, our gift from and connection to the one true God, in perfect sacred trinity with the Son and Holy Spirit.

So fags, do you understand why the elite and royalty of our times have guarded their bloodlines so carefully and are obsessed with maintaining their purity and bifurcation from the rest of mankind?

Have a good Son-day fags, may the blessing of the Lord be upon you always.

What other explanation is there for angels in the Bible other than them being human extraterrestrials as reported left and right by various contactees today?

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Is bloodshed and death missing the mark in every circumstance, if there is no death?

I don't know. I think it depends.

Mighty powerful that 400 conquistadors could utterly destroy an entire civilization dedicated to the streamlined industrial sacrifice of humans.

"Did a crucification of me pardonned (sic) your sins?"

Symbolically yes, to make the savage Hebrews, and thus the Children of God present and to come, understand that blood sacrifices and offerings was entirely missing the mark. Truthfully, there has never been "sin."

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I too follow this philosophy. My question to you would be: do you believe in magic (according to natural law)?

I think THIS - the magic - is going to be revealed and will be the big one to blow the majority's mind.

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I like to think of it as character alignment. With each action/decision that we take/make, we align ourselves towards or against God's intent.

If we are working with God, (or the Infinite Divine, if that's what you like calling it [as I do]), then God is probably going to want to keep you around for as long as possible, because you're reliable and faithful.

If you don't align yourself with God, then you become an issue and,eventually, God has to remove you from the chess game, so that Its pieces can move more freely.

Ultimately, every action has a time, a place, and a purpose; and the only way to know for sure where those align is to ask God. Otherwise, it's a 'gamble'.

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"All it is, is suggestion and influence; someone defining how you should view reality."

"suggestion and influence"

The preferred method of the apostatic fallen to turn you away from the true source of power, the One Creator. To cut yourself off from the One and believe in your own supremacy over reality.

This not only leads to madness, it opens the gateway to much suffering that will be harvested from you by the apostatic and perverse ones.

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It is impossible not to recognize Truth when it is spoken to you.

May the One bless the fruit of your work brother.

>>3044955

“In the manner of” means “reincarnation of”

No. Not at all.

>>3044955

And checkout the Nag Hammadi to read about Melchezidik

>>3045047

Thing is, forgiveness achieves cheating the wronged party out of their rightly deserved justice and recompense.

If you insist that “their” transgressions against humanity should be forgiven, all that does is created a whole planet full of angry and resentful people.

Why? Because by prioritizing forgiveness and mercy for “them”, you’re choosing to sacrifice humanity getting that which has been stolen from them. More forgiveness “they” receive, the less justice WE receive (forgiveness and justice are at opposite sides pulling at each other for priority).

Therefore the correct choice is maximum justice for the people. Restoration of stolen prosperity by confiscating ALL assets “they” ever obtained (even honest earned assests as further punishment).

This of course includes punishing “their” blood line too for after all, “Original Sin” when deconstructed is “Sins of The Father” taken to its logical conclusion. If religious doctrine is distorted, logically, punishment according to “their” lies would be perfectly karmic in terms of poetic justice, thus “Sins of the Father” is a valid way to punish “them”.

>>3048942

>>3050249

Force them to stand by their beliefs.

If they believe Family is Blood, then they can suffer the sins of their Bloodline.

>>3048871

>>3048942

"You will receive a Dream tonight for recognizing the Truth. Do with it as you will."

- God

>>3050059

Is Psalm 110, Hebrews Chapter 5?

>>3050249

Forgiveness does not imply forgoing justice.

In fact, the only way you can aptly apply justice is sans emotion and thus through forgiveness. Otherwise it is revenge.

My interpretation of course.

>>3057185

>Forgiveness does not imply forgoing justice.

100% correct.

>In fact, the only way you can aptly apply justice is sans emotion

110% correct

>and thus through forgiveness.

Not sure if I agree on this, but I'll discuss it with God later.

"She is not right about that, but that is fine for now." - God

I agree about the revenge part. I'm not one for revenge. Revenge is petty and personal. Justice is impartial and is supposed to benefit the whole in some way.

>>3057271

>"She is not right about that, but that is fine for now." - God

I very much have a penis.

>>3058522

>implying your soul is in the right body.

The toppest of Keks.

>>3045047

There is no reincarnation, and it is contrary to the scriptures: It is appointed once for a man to die, and then the judgment.

>>3058606

Only the apostatic have keks at the expense of others. You have the answer to your source from your own words.

>>3057185

I think you missed the point of the woman dragged naked before Jesus caught in the act of adultery.

None of the accusers had clean hands; how can true justice be applied by people with dirty hands? We have a concept in our law called Unclean Hands; the courts do not serve justice on the word of people with unclean hands.

And then Jesus, the Judge of the Universe, did not condemn her, but forgave her, and told her to cut it out.

Forgiveness to a Christian comes from knowing what an ocean of forgiveness we received, and thus being able to trickle out forgiveness to those who have wronged us. Not others, us. And God gave the sword to the government for a reason.

Any enemy of mine, if they had perfect knowledge, would far prefer I take revenge upon them than leave it up to Jesus, who baptizes all either in spirit, or in fire.

>>3044955

No, it says that the Order of High Priest that Jesus is can be compared to the Order of High Priest that Melchizadek held.

We know nothing of Melchizadek's parentage, origins, lineage, or death. What we do know is that he was the King of Salem (later Jerusalem) whom Abraham gave a tithe to (paid homage to).

Jesus' origins is from everlasting to everlasting; he was not born into his priesthood, and it will never end. He himself is the basis upon which he is the High Priest; he merits it, and none other.

Jesus is greater than Melchizadek/Shem, and Melchizadek/Shem was greater than Abraham. After all, before any Levite was even born, Abraham bowed to Melchizadek, and then to the preincarnate Christ Jesus on his way to obliterate the plains of Shinar.

>>3044690

It's far simpler than this. The magnetic field of the earth is dying. The poles are not reversing; the field is dying. The sun is going out; its transformation of energy from there to here is ending.

Both of these are ELE events and would cause WW panic.

>>3040466

Yehoshua, in Hebrew

Yeshua, in Aramaic

Iesous, in Greek

Jesus, in latin

Savior, in any language

>>3058849

>>3044918

You can't throw out and ignore the words hoson and tois when you translate the passage. That's ~17% of the passage and meaning.

Your translation holds even less of the original meaning than even modern, albeit orthodox, standard translations from the original Greek.

But everyone is allowed to believe in what one wishes.

>>3058984

Like so many throughout history, Constantine hated the god of the Jews,so he encouraged the Council of Nicea to alter things.

The most egregious thing that did was to call the gospels "the new Covenant".

They had to pick a unique name and.. I do not remember the lineage, but in the end, this "Jesus Christ" was a conglomerate of this Iesous and Christos.

I am not a scholar, but I have studied this deeply for my own personal edification.

Some time later the printing press was invented. Constantine commissioned this dude named Marcion to flood the market with Paul's writings.

That's when Constatine's "Paulinity" was born.

>>3059004

Similarly, you cannot cite random words in Greek and claim that the bible supports reincarnation, when it clearly does not.

>>3059093

That you think Constantine had something to do with Christianity is odd.

That you think Paul was not teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ makes me wonder why you're on a board for biblefags.

>>2970000

>God loves those who argue with Him – so it seems from Tanakh.

This was extremely important for me to read. Thank you for writing it out. Most of the time I am angry at Him. Unlike most, I do not consider it an abomination, but was doubtful.

>>3059004

Inasmuch as eph'hoson lit., "upon how much"

"tois" not found.

>>2970000

Maybe God just loves people with brass balls who deal with him on a personal basis.

>>3059164

Most of the time when we are angry at someone, it is for something we find at fault within ourselves, projected outwards.

>>3058890

> than leave it up to Jesus, who baptizes all either in spirit, or in fire.

Savage Hebraic interpretations of the Word of God. There is no "baptism by fire" or "devouring of the adversaries" or "consumption of those opposed" or "conflagrations" or "death by fire."

That's the age old trick of perverse ones to make you turn away from God. Make you believe that his creation is so imperfect that he will destroy and consume it and those he loves.

Insanity.

I will show you.

Hebrews 10:26-27

ESV [hebrewfag tainted]: For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.

Greek: Ἑκουσίως γὰρ ἁμαρτανόντων ἡμῶν μετὰ τὸ λαβεῖν τὴν ἐπίγνωσιν τῆς ἀληθείας, οὐκέτι περὶ ἁμαρτιῶν ἀπολείπεται θυσία, φοβερὰ δέ τις ἐκδοχὴ κρίσεως καὶ πυρὸς ζῆλος ἐσθίειν μέλλοντος τοὺς ὑπεναντίους.

Transliteration: Hekousiōs gar hamartanontōn hēmōn meta to labein tēn epignōsin tēs alētheias, ouketi peri hamartiōn apoleipetai thysia, phobera de tis ekdochē kriseōs kai pyros zēlos esthiein mellontos tous hypenantious.

Direct English: Of-one's-own-accord for missing-the-mark I after that I-receive the central-knowledge-gained-through-first-hand-relationship the truth/reality, no-longer about missing-the-marks away-from/I-leave sacrifice/offerings, inspiring-fear then anyone waiting-for decision/judgement and trial/fire zealous eating I-am-about-to these very-opposites.

Simpler English: If I of my own accord am for missing the mark after I have recevied the central knowledge (gained through first hand relationship) [i.e. what I am telling you] of reality, [I am] no longer about missing the mark I leave [behind] sacrifices/offerings, you should feel fear then, anyone waiting for judgement and fire because you will (are about to) fervently swallow these very opposite things [to reality].

>>3059214

When people are immersed in the Lake of Fire, forever and ever, they are baptized in fire.

>>3059214

It's a shame you have no understanding of the Word of God.

Paul writing to the Hebrews, who had become Christians but were also weak, and Hellenized, told them that they had no way back to the Old Covenant.

That the sacrifice of animals is over. That the New Covenant has been enacted, and the Old was disappearing.

If you think any born again Christian can live the rest of his life without sinning, a) you are not a born again Christian, and b) you have no close friends who are born again Christians who will confide in you.

>>3059162

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_the_Great_and_Christianity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica

>>3059214

2 Peter 3

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

I had hoped for a thread of Christians discussing Christian things, not a board where pagans and occultists could sow confusion, doubt, and the gospel according to Bart Ehrman.

>>3059162

Why are you shaming me?

The information on Constantine is open source and can be dug.

The matter with Paul was not an easy one for me, but the very reaction I get from any alleged "Christian" is what prompted me to reject Paul. His discrepancies are clear if you look, but even so it was hard to let go.

Most Christians are not Christians at all, but Paulinians.

You do realize that Paul isn't necessary for salvation, right?

Right?

>>3059248

Bible >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wiki

>>3059230

Lake of Fire?

You mean, Gehenna? The child sacrificing cult outside of Jerusalem?

>>3044918

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna

>>3059270

I hope that you do feel shame. You should. You are sowing deceit and lies in a thread clearly marked out for discussion amongst Christians, of which you are not a member.

Constantine was a pagan worshiper of Apollo, and a patron of the Temple of Apollo, and remained one his entire life. He was never a Christian, and had nothing to do with Christianity.

If you reject Paul, who taught what Jesus revealed to him directly, you reject Jesus. Which merely confirms my judgment of you, above.

>>3059273

No, not the temple to Molech in the Valley of Hinnom.

The actual Lake of Fire Jesus created to confine the devil and his followers, including all of his human followers.

>>3059281

That's a different tripcode buddy. He's trolling you.

>>3059281

>not a member

Not a member under what grounds?

>>3059295

I mind being trolled about Jesus about as much as a butcher minds being trolled about USDA Prime steak.

>>3059297

Under the only grounds that there are. Being filled with the Holy Spirit of God.

>>3059281

Quote me the scriptures where it states that all who reject Paul are not Christians.

I'll wait.

>>3059305

So, do you mean the Holy Spirit comes from Paul?

>>3059307

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

>>3059315

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

>>3059322

i haven't rejected the Messiah, our beloved Savior.

Paul is not my savior. Clearly, Paul is your savior?

It is you who preaches a false doctrine. That is why I reject Paul.

>>3059269

There is no doubt that the Earth will someday be consumed by the Sun when it expands to a Red Giant. This is very much known and calculated.

That is very different from a conflagration or a raining down of fire.

>>3059349

If you reject Paul, you reject Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1

Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;

15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

>>3059358

The entire universe is going to be destroyed in an instant, and instantly replaced with a new heaven and a new earth.

Per the bible.

Not per your pagan earth studies.

>>3059366

Of course, also known. And the second coming comes when all souls are perfected and we are ready to go into one of the many mansions of the Father. Unless you somehow doubt the power of the almighty to make everyone bend to his will.

>>3059326

Tell me where in the Bible (outside of Paul's writings) that backs your claim.

You should be CAREFUL who you condemn, you arrogant one, because you could BLASPHEME THE RUACH in your foolishness.

Show me the verses that claim salvation is through Paul, but you can't use PAUL.

There is a god and it is the god of Abraham and I believe in the redemption through Yahushah, the one whom they call "Jesus".

TELL ME WHERE GOD SAID I NEED PAUL FOR SALVATION.

>>3059385

Some will bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord before they die, and go to heaven.

The rest will bend the knee and confess Jesus is Lord on their way to being cast into the Lake of Fire forever and ever.

>>3059387

You move more goalposts than an NFL crew on an October Sunday.

I told you where what you said did not exist, exists.

Can you do no research on your own?

The Holy Spirit is a person of the trinity; you quite clearly not only do not know that, but don't understand it either. You think some argument western pagans and eastern pagans have has something to do with the Holy Spirit of God, and it does not. Just squabbling amongst pagans.

John 20

Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

The Ruach Elohim, the Breath of God, the Holy Spirit, is a person.

>>3059387

Who are you to judge another man's servant?

>>3059422

What's the difference between John and Paul?

It's HUGE.

What's the difference?

>>3059393

How does that reconcile with Jesus dying for all sins and forgiveness? So everyone has to forgive, but the Father doesn't? Ever?

Insanity.

2 Peter 3:15

And consider the patience of our Lord as salvation, as our beloved Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, also wrote to you, speaking of these things as he does in all his letters. In them there are some things hard to understand that the ignorant and unstable distort to their own destruction, just as they do the other scriptures.

>>3059387

The devil has caused you to have the apostle appointed to teach you the New Covenant.

Maybe it's time you asked yourself why you're listening to the devil.

>>3059431

LOL

Look up. I'm being judged.

I'm defending the judgment.

Hypocrite much?

>>3059437

Yes, Paul is the greater apostle, died and saw heaven more times than John, and was called to all the gentiles. John, one of the so-called "pillars of faith" was judaizing people in the Temple.

Maybe it's time you started asking yourself some tough question.

Likd, you know you're damned and going to hell, but why are you okay with it?

>>3059440

It has to do with Belief, as Unbelief is the only sin remaining unforgiven in this life and the next.

>>3059452

You're being outed as a liar and child of satan, not judged.

Jesus does the judging.

You don't want to remain unrepentant until that day comes for you.

You are both insane.

Insane with hatred and bickering.

>>3059445

My gawd you're dense.

Paul never walked with Jesus. He had a vision.

John was a disciple and was close to Jesus.

You're an idiot and shouldn't be teaching ANYONE anything about the Bible.

You don't even KNOW it much less understand it.

Me: My savior is Jesus, not Paul.

You: You're of the devil and going to hell!

Stupid idiot.

Good riddance.

>>3059494

Paul spent years with Jesus in Arabia, being taught directly by Jesus.

If I reveal to you that my stapler is silver and black, is it a dream you had?

>>3059494

One of the myriad illogical points of your argument can be easily refuted.

How did Paul know more about Jesus than all the other apostles combined?

How did Paul know more about the New Covenant in Christ Jesus than all the other apostles combined?

How did Paul manifest more miracles than all of the other apostles combined?

No, it is a satanic attack on Paul to deny that Jesus did not personally choose Paul on the Road to Damascus, converting Saul to Paul, and tasking Paul with the role of leading 99% of the world, the non-Jewish world, to Christ Jesus.

Why you believe the Father of Lies, and not the Word of God, is ponderous, but so be it.

>>3059494

Galatians 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

John gave Paul the right hand of fellowship.

2 Peter 3

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Peter calls everything Paul wrote "scripture".

Your anti-Pauline/antichrist rant should be over by now.

>>3059463

>as Unbelief is the only sin remaining unforgiven in this life and the next.

Your claims are dangerous. You're claiming there is one specific "sin" that is never forgiven?

That goes against the entirety of the New Testament and the teachings of Christ.

Unless you claim to know the mind of the Father? Which leads you into even more dangerous territory.

>>3059670

Yes.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, aka Unbelief.

Mark 3

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

>>3059670

So now I have shown you the scriptures concerning all that I have told you.

Are you any different now?

>>3059670

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Not dangerous.

Expected.

>>3059694

>danger of eternal damnation

ESV: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Very different. It's sad you reject the original Greek, the true evangelion. Many of your mistaken beliefs stem from years of mistranslations.

But yes, I enjoyed your ability to quote scripture. Helped point me to all the places where dangerous inconsistencies with the Word of God exist.

>>3059704

>>3059781

I'll dive into the Greek of these. See what else can be grokked from them.

Happy Monday biblefag!

>>3059781

It's exactly what I said. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin.

It's sad that you think men brighter than you as the sun is brighter than a sunflower cannot translate Greek into English faithfully.

>>3059781

>Helped point me to all the places where dangerous inconsistencies with the Word of God exist.

No man can be pointed to the Abyss. He must choose to go there, as you choose to go there.

It’s incredibly dangerous for anyone to go around condemning/damning/cursing someone else because their belief differs from your own. Humility is an extremely important virtue, taught by Jesus, that you seem to be missing when you claim that you know the right translation/interpretation concerning Christian theology, and that others are wrong, and so not Christian. Or are going to hell, etc.

Don’t be prideful! Don’t be arrogant!

I struggle with this myself.

We need to learn from each other, and the more people belittle others, the less information we are receiveing.

And don’t mess up this thread for lurkers with immature bullying/fighting. It just makes Christians look bad.

>>3060054

If fighting evil, lies, and the children of satan is bad, perhaps reconsider what side of this war you're on.

If you're looking for an "inoffensive gospel message", Jesus isn't for you.

Jesus is definitely for me. I am His.

Never said fighting lies and evil is bad. Of course it’s not. It’s fantastic.

I just, personally, don’t think you’re method of fighting is a productive one. I don’t think you’re way of communicating is going to be effective in helping others understand and fight for Jesus.

>>3060375

Exposing a wolf in sheep's clothing casting doubt on the validity of the bible and of Paul's teachings is an endeavor worth taking.

Pick a side.

God is more more powerful than any. His ways are not our ways, his thoughts not our thoughts. We must be humble toward each other, but especially humble toward him.

He has ensured the preservation and continuation of His word.

No institution or entity can disrupt that, as I believe it’s God’s will that the Bible remain whole for all people.

The Bible is not wrong. Each book is true.

>>3059943

The fact that you believe that

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is equivalent to

but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin.

Marks your arrogance and delusions.

The Word of God is perfect and consistent. There are errors in the translations, is why I said there are inconsistencies WITH the Word of God.

And I will dive into the Greek of these passages. It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

>It's sad that you think men brighter than you as the sun is brighter than a sunflower cannot translate Greek into English faithfully.

Yes, I know they cannot because they are marked by the same delusions that you are. And the ones who tried in the past were burned as heretics. So yes, your "bright men" sure shined brightly, you can detect their stupidity centuries later through the fog of time.

Even now, my translations are sorely lacking and are only approximations to the greatness the Holy Spirit attempted to communicate to us savage animals.

>>3060953

> It takes me around 48 hours of off and on work to translate from the original Greek.

For each Greek sentence.

>>3059494

Agreed. Paulinian cucks turned Jesus’ teachings into a pussified version.

These other anons would be much wise to stick with the Gospels. That’s where all the good stuff is.

>>3060953

Look…there is NO SIN called "Blaspheming the Holy Spirit (and it is NOT a Ghost either by the way. It is a "Spirit" and became "Ghost" when King James decided to dilute its meaning even more).

How do you even do this sin? Say things like "I hate you Holy Spirit". Is that how you blaspheme the HS? Cuss it out? How does one blaspheme the HS?

As we read in the bible, even in the NT not OT…

1Jn 3:4  Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 

If there was no Law in effect no one alive would be a sinner and thus Jesus died for nothing! So we are under some parts of the Law except the parts concerning the Levite Priests. Since Jesus became our priest those Laws are moot (Hebrews 4-10.

Jesus spoke in metaphors. To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means to go against your own inner intuition. Go against your gut feel. Not listening to your heart in exchange for mental reasoning.

I can go on, but that is good for now.

- 1PS

>>3060953

It's the same exact thing.

There are no inconsistencies with the Word of God. None. Your knowledge of Greek impresses absolutely nobody.

They translated the Greek into English, much as the Hebrews translated Hebrew into Greek for the Septiugent.

Easily.

>>3061141

Paul wrote several gospels. Maybe read them too.

>>3061310

I told you exactly how. Unbelief.

To understand that would have as a requirement to understand basic English, and to really understand it would require the teaching of the Holy Spirit himself.

I cited the verses where blasphemy of the Holy Spirit occurred. And then told you what they meant. There is no corresponding blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in the Old Covenant; the Old Covenant did not deal with gaining a relationship with the living God.

The New Covenant does.

>>3061310

>To blaspheme the Holy Spirit means to go against your own inner intuition.

That would make YOU the Holy Spirit.

>>3061141

Paul taught EXACTLY what Jesus taught. Neither Paul nor Jesus taught "Christianity" (which was not invented until 300 years after both of them died).

What Paul taught was the written Law and he quit the oral law (Phariseeism). As Paul himself said…

Act 24:14  But this I confess unto thee… believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 

Notice he says "Written in the Law".

The problem people have with Paul is that they do not understand he is talking about 2 DIFFERENT sets of law. But you see the word Law and think it is Torah law. It is not.

How can these verses not be in contradiction?…

Rom 2:13  For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. 

and this…

Gal 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. 

Are you justified by the law or not? Galatians is talking about Jewish oral law not called the Talmud. Romans is Torah law.

All you Paul bashers out there do not "get Paul". He and Yashua taught the same thing - the written law of Torah. Not the rituals of Judaism.

When you see Jesus talking about love in Matthew 5-7, explaining adultery, explaining murder, etc. THAT IS TORAH Law he is teaching not Christianity.

- 1PS

>>3061407

Whether I believe in God or the HS has nothing to do with my works and my salvation. Quit playing mental masturbation games. You and people like you are happy with that train of thought that seems to make you "Special" and condemns anyone not like you! You will be judged by actions and works and words not by what you imagine.

- 1PS

>>3061417

Another fool is heard from. Where is the Law in what Paul taught here?

1 Corinthians 1

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,

And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

>>3061471

If you have not confessed with your mouth that Jesus is LORD, and do not believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you are lost.

The devil knows there's only one God. If that's the extent of your knowledge, good luck not living forever with the devil.

>>3061415

The Holy Spirit is exactly what he says he is A HOLY SPIRIT. In Hebrew that is called the Ruach Ha-Kodesh. He is not called Elohim, Yahweh, or any reference to God by the way. He is a spirit.

And he is not me. I also have a spirit that makes me me. I am not nor anyone inhabited by the HS. He is one entity. He grieves, he teaches, etc.

As we read…

Psa 104:4  Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: 

The Holy Spirit is God's angel. And in the OT we see this mentioned as "THE angel of God not "an" angel of God.

The HS communicates to us through our gut. When we do not listen we usually sin. That is what Jesus meant in a nutshell.

- 1PS

>>3061508

I hate to see how you Christians, following your religion of Pagan lawlessness, enjoy condemning people like you try to do here. You are living a mental delusion and do not know the bible.

You are experts at Christian DOGMA.

I am out for now so as not to waste anymore of the BO's space with you folks. As Jesus said…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Now you read this and pay it no mind still thinking that the one who imagines Jesus the hardest wins the prize. While you do not keep the sabbath, eat unclean meats, etc etc.

>>3061381

The Gospels refer to Matthew Mark Luke and John. You’re obviously no theologian.

>>3061535

The Holy Spirit

The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him - the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD - and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears (Isaiah 11)

The Holy Spirit is a part of God, not just some force that God uses.

John 14:16-17 - The Holy Spirit is a Helper, or a person who helps.

John 14:26 - Again, the Holy Spirit is a Helper; Also shows Jesus' divinity by showing He can send the Holy Spirit

John 15:26 - The Holy Spirit can bear witness

John 16:7-8 The Holy Spirit is referred to as a 'He', again shows that Jesus can send Him

You don't have the Holy Spirit dwelling within you, as you do not know how to cause that to be.

And you clearly have zero understanding of the triune nature of God.

>>3061372

1) but is in danger of eternal damnation.

is the same as

2) but is guilty of an eternal sin.

So sin in your mind is the same as damnation? And guilt is the same as danger?

You have no regard for objective reality.

>>3061407

> I told you exactly how. Unbelief.

I don't think you understand you are talking to multiple anons here. Or do you? Am I missing something?

>>3061592

Showing people they are condemned is not condemning them.

It's showing them they're condemned.

Romans 10

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

And that's how the condemned become saved children of God.

>>3061601

The Gospel of Paul to the Hebrews

The Gospel of Paul to the Romans

Your Bart Erhman eduction is showing.

>>3061601

If you knew what a theologian was, you would note that those are the synoptic gospels, which infers that there are other gospels as well.

>>3061632

Yes. Eternal Sin ==>Eternal Damnation

>>3061632

You're missing many things. Many, many, many things. But the most crucial is the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God, which is required to understand the scriptures.

If you think Sin and God live together, you don't know God.

Why do you think Jesus came to earth to be tortured and crucified?

>>3061676

Eternal Death ==>Eternal Separation from God, Who is Life

>>3061592

Your "works" are as filthy rags to a holy God, on the one hand, and hell deserving wickedness on the other. Good luck with that.

>>3061718

If God is "Life", then are all those living part of God? Or only those you don't condemn?

Also, can you point to me any point in scripture where this concept of "eternal death" you are claiming is written?

>>3061881

No. Most people are physically alive, and spiritually dead.

To be spiritually alive is to have the Holy Spirit of God enter into you and resurrect you to eternal life.

Adam and Eve were created spiritually alive. They died the day they sinned; the Holy Spirit left them.

Being born again in the Spirit is the regaining of the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit of God.

Otherwise, a man is born spiritually dead, remains spiritually dead, and is sorted out as spiritually dead to the only place where the spiritually dead can go. Lake of Fire. Eternal separation from God.

>>3061881

It's written there whether I claim it or not.

Matthew 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

>>3061881

Jude 1:7 as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

>>3061881

Revelation 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Those two humans, the Antichrist and False Prophet, are still in the Lake of Fire 1000 years after they are cast into the Lake of Fire.

There is no annihilation. There are eternal flames, outer darkness, weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth for all unrepentant sinners.

>>3062019

punishment?

κόλασιν

kólasin

kólasis, “chastisement, correction”

Interesting word choice.

Chastisement and correction imply redemption?

>>3062123

Does "everlasting" sound redemptive to you?

Also, the word translated into "hell".

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

punishment, torment.

From kolazo; penal infliction – punishment, torment.

>>3062045

πρόκεινται

prokeintai are set forth as

δεῖγμα

deigma an example

πυρὸς

pyros of trial/fire

αἰωνίου

aiōniou aeons/perpetual/eternal

δίκην

dikēn custom, manner, fashion

ὑπέχουσαι.

hypechousai undergoing underholding undercontaining

>>3062242

Yes. It means perpetual correction until you get it right. Glad you are getting it.

>>3062323

So, "after" "everlasting" punishment, you'll get it right.

"After" that.

You idiot.

>>3062277

Etymology

Inherited from Ancient Greek κόλασις (kólasis, “chastisement, correction”).

2000 years later and you are using the modern version of the meaning of words to prove your point. Circular logic much?

I am rate limited. Have a nice day pondering your "bright men" and their translations.

I am happy you are getting it though.

>>3062377

>Also, the word translated into "hell".

>Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

>punishment, torment.

>From kolazo; penal infliction – punishment, torment.

>>3062413

kolazo != kólasin

kólasin == kólasis

You have been lied to by those you trust the most.

Reconcile.

>>3061999

The Event Horizon of existence:

Where only the ghost of a whisper of you remains; an image. Imaginary. A screencap of the moment right before your demise, even though you actually already collapsed into nothingness.

But people can't wrap their heads around event horizons, apparently. So, they think being there means you're always there.

No, nigger, just the 'idea' of you is there.

Also, I—

Okay, you know.

Okay Coats, Sessions and Wray…WE ARE WAITING!!!

>>3006716

Kek ← This one's for you

Kek

Kek

>>3062019

You simply read it the way you think you want to read it.

Everlasting punishment > you are deleted forever > the results of your punishment are everlasting, unreversable, no second trial > you are gone forever

where and why you have decided to interpret this verse as meaning "cast into a realm where you will be endlessly violently tortured by horned mutants in a inquisition like torture chamber filled with fire and utter horror for ever and ever and ever endlessly afraid and suffering" is absolutely beyond me. But it is rampant among youtube christians and people in general who do not read the bible for themselves and make any effort to look up the meanings of the words in their original language.

It's sick, really. You project something awful onto God, and you do it with no proof, no evidence. It's a horrible idea that someone would live an extremely brief life here, born into a world of deception and trickery, only to pass away and be endlessly tortured by their own creator for eternity.

Madness yes, psychotic yes. based on even the worst most edited and corrupt version of scripture? not even remotely. it simply is not in there.

Even in the fraudulent, genocidal book of revelation you don't find anything that sais this. It just continues to be repeated over and over again by people who don't know any better.

>>3062092

Typical 2018 youtube christian who only reads revelations

The Doctrine of Biblical Inerrancy

look it up folks. it's false and has wreaked havoccccc on modern christians. Yes even those of you armed with a strongs concordance are likely not getting anything close to the full picture intended by scriptures.

You can play back and forth all day, arguing over the meaning of scriptures in the english language. Accusing each other of being wrong and hell bound. Hebrew scholars for the jewish masoretic text have to stop every other line and add a footnote that "original meaning of hebrew not known" "original meaning of phrase unknown" etc…

One does not simply interpret ancient hebrew. Even the experts are fucking flummoxed on the majority of it. This is a highly complex issue and some of the arguments being thrown around in this thread are ridiculous. You guys go around thinking everyone who disagrees with you is going to be tortured in a literal eternal SAW movie. Great. How healthy.

Sheol is translated in the king james as Grave sometimes, and as Hell at other times. I forget the exact number, google it. Then look up all the other translations. Pull out your ESV if you have one, and notice the massive number of missing verses.

You think you have it all figured out??? seriously???? enough to get on here and make God out to be a eternal inquisitor ready to torture his children FOREVER for eating the wrong kinds of meat??

GENIUSES. All of you. Pure genius. next your going to tell me John of Patmos is the same John who walked with Jesus. Apparently anyone hallucinating on an island can, with the approval of a vatican council, be considered a prophetic apostle worthy of being in the canon.

Youtube christians.

I'll stick with the 4 main books of the Gospel when it comes to advice on life and what the true nature of God is. You'll find the rest is extremely interesting but spurious and buried in the sands of time. Ofcourse you would have to be intellectually honest to admit that.

I'm sure most of you are all aware of the NAME GAME played nowadays regarding Jesus, right?? it's all the rage on youtube now. Obviously, JESUS was not his real name and did not exist in those days. I've heard all the arguments. Some call him Yeshua, Yahushua yayaya this and that there are a number of pronunciations and spellings argued over.

At some point, a rational person has to draw the fuckng line and say "LOOK, we are born into a world of deception, lies and trickery. When I say the word Jesus, I know who I am referring to, and even though my enemy may have tried to get me to say the name of some jesuit general in place of the real name of this person, I am not going to play that game."

what are you, an occultist? are you chanting some kind of magical word of power that has to be said the right way, underneath a certain moon while standing in a circle?

Do you worship a word??? Do you not think that God knows when you are reaching out to him and is maybe understanding that given your situation you might, you know, not have any idea which historian is telling you the fucking truth??

its the same issue with the Doctrine of Biblical Inerrency. do you worship God or some kind of magical book that prevents itself from being tampered with even though there are a zillion versions that all differ from one another??

Many of you are trying to worship a magical book and a magical word of power, and (((they))) are the ones who have poisoned you with this.

Use your God given discernment. If a jewish manuscript sais that God ordered Jephthah in Judges 11:30–31 to climb up a hill and sacrifice his daughter, do you think that maybe you moral compass would alert you that this is not something God would do?? Are you allowed to question whether or not this is trickery from the adversary, given what you know about the history of the bible?? or, again, do you worship the idea of some magical infallible book, despite the fact that there is a zillion different versions available with no two experts being able to agree on it which is the correct one???

Y'all bout to drive a nigga crazy with this shit. Use your damn brains. I believe in the Gospel and Jesus and have no issue questioning all of this other stuff in fact I think it is exactly what God wants me to do. God gave me discernment and made me in his image, and I would never ever ever consider torturing a child for doing the wrong thing, so why the hell would I, being made in his image, think he would do so?? You ever seen a human being in extreme pain??? I have and I was overwhelmed with sympathy and it took me months to get over it. I fucking hate seeing living beings suffer i am revolted by it and will go out of my way to stop it or anyone responsible for it. Hence the fucking Q movement. We are here to save children, to prevent subversiveness, to stop evil. Not sit around and make excuses for it.

>>3058984

You provide theories but no facts.

Iesous is the Greek transliteration of the Hebrew word for Jackass?

Sous = horse

ee-aw-sous = the sound of a jackass

Aramaic was never spoken as a common language in Israel during the time of Yesha or earlier? The bulk of all letters, contracts and general correspondence shows only Hebrew was used to communicate.

Dear friends

Read Rev 14

" And I saw another angel in flight between heaven and earth, having eternal good news (gospel) to give to those who are on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and language and people"

Here is the bread of heaven, from "the lamb" :

https://www.thebookoflife.eu/table-of-contents.php

welcome to paradise.

>>3068369

Amen.

>>3069232

>Use your God given discernment. If a jewish manuscript sais that God ordered Jephthah in Judges 11:30–31 to climb up a hill and sacrifice his daughter, do you think that maybe you moral compass would alert you that this is not something God would do?? Are you allowed to question whether or not this is trickery from the adversary, given what you know about the history of the bible?? or, again, do you worship the idea of some magical infallible book, despite the fact that there is a zillion different versions available with no two experts being able to agree on it which is the correct one???

>

>Y'all bout to drive a nigga crazy with this shit. Use your damn brains. I believe in the Gospel and Jesus and have no issue questioning all of this other stuff in fact I think it is exactly what God wants me to do. God gave me discernment and made me in his image, and I would never ever ever consider torturing a child for doing the wrong thing, so why the hell would I, being made in his image, think he would do so??

Amen!

>>3068369

>It's a horrible idea that someone would live an extremely brief life here, born into a world of deception and trickery, only to pass away and be endlessly tortured by their own creator for eternity.

If God calls on you to be perfect, if Jesus calls on you to be perfect and imitate his ways, that God wants you to be and reach holiness. How can you reconcile that with a brief life of 50-80 years, in a plane of existence rife with "trickery" and "deception?"

How can you reconcile torment and hell and no second chances with a God of LOVE and UNDERSTANDING. How can you reconcile any of these insane beliefs with the message of Jesus Christ?

It is not reconcilable.

You have all of eternity to learn. All of it. You have all of eternity to amend your ways. You have eternal life AND eternal correction.

Your respawns are infinite and you WILL perfect yourself. Whether you want to or not. We are all going back to the Father, together as one.

All of us.

Even the most vile and horrific among us. That is the message of forgiveness and compassion that Jesus Christ teaches.

WWG1WGA.

How do you reconcile LOVE and PERFECT LOVE, with leaving behind your loved ones?

Leaving them behind here in a reality rife with suffering?

Leaving them behind in an imaginary world of torment and endless suffering?

It is not reconcilable.

I will never leave behind those I love. Ever. And my love is FAR from perfect.

The permanence of reality is the prime indicator that God, the Creator, LOVES us. His love is PERFECT and it is not reserved for any one group of people, who do this or that. It is for ALL of his children. Everything in this reality.

The same way we love our children and our creations. The same way we want to see them grow and become successful. For our creations to have impact and meaning in the world.

And we are far from perfect.

Contemplate what PERFECT LOVE would want and require.

WWG1WGA.

>>3062455

Not who you think I am. I have no gallery.

>>3068369

I read it as it is, and love the truth. You are terrified at some level of being on fire forever, and think you'll get a second chance. You won't. This is it. This is your life, your one time to choose Jesus, and become eternally living. Blow it, and there's nothing but fire, forever and ever.

>>3068438

People asked for bible verses supporting the Lake of Fire, and they were given. Typical Anon who doesn't want to read anything contrary to his bias.

>>3068824

Sheol is Hades. Neither is Gehenna/Hell/Lake of fire. Your biblical knowledge is zero.

>>3069232

Jesus, God, knows who's talking to him, and who isn't, and by what name. He reads the hearts of men; he is not dependent upon your vocal utterances to know what you are.

>>3069591

No, for Yehoahus/Yeshua. Facts are stubborn things.

>>3073147

Easily. We all deserve to go to hell forever.

>>3073254

In your ignorance you have overlooked God's hatred of sin.

>>3073720

No peanut gallery?

That's a pretty good sign, actually!

If there's not thee sound of a peanut gallery, that means the ego has been pushed back far enough that the Voice of the Infinite Divine (God) can come through clearly.

Props to you! Super proud!

IF FAGGOTZ KEEP SLIDING THIS BOARD W/ ARBITRARY ARGUMENTING SO IT FILLS UP BCUS THEY DONT LIKE THE JQ EDITION, IM JUST GONNA MAKE #4 WITH THE SAME TOPIC

FUCK U JIDF MOSSAD HOMOS.

>>3073732

God doesn’t see sin.

Read Romans 9 and have a Kindergartner with you to interpret for you.

>>3074397

I love Corinthians 15.

12-19

12 Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no ==resurrection of the dead==?

13 But if there is no ==resurrection of the dead==, then not even Christ has been raised.

14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.

15 We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised.

16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

17 And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins.

18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.

19 If in Christ we have hope ==in this life only==, we are of all people most to be pitied.

>>3074186

God does not see the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unpardonable sin, in this life, and in the next?

God does not see what is not like Him?

You bet your eternal soul on that proposition?

>>3074885

I think the ESV people do a pretty good job here. There is obviously more to gleam from the Greek, but the translation is adequate.

How can you say there is no resurrection of the dead, i.e. reincarnation, if Christ has been resurrected?

If the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised.

One life only?

>>3074975

Nobody's impressed with your one semester of Greek at a liberal seminary dude.

>>3074988

Do not let your heart grow stubborn in the wilderness.

>>3075064

I will stubbornly resist the children of the devil so long as I draw breath on earth.

>>3074919

ALL?

Everyone lives forever. You know that. I know that.

Everyone deep down in their hearts knows that.

We are fast approaching the age where it will be undeniable. Where through, digital information and social media (yes, even those doing evil end up doing good), we will be able to track our past lives.

We will be able to see our past bodies, our thoughts, and minute by minute updates and tweets and say; gee – that dude 100 years ago, looks just like me, thinks just like, and happens to be related to me.

And then we'll track the DNA. And we'll see. Hey, this dude is exactly me.

And even then there will be people that will deny God and Christ!

Eventually they'll all come around.

>>3075180

The thoughts of fools make those who read them more foolish.

>>3075180

>,thinks just like,

Well, similarly enough! Because we are all improving over time. Getting better and perfecting our souls and bodies. Getting ready for that time when death is conquered and we no longer have to die.

I suspect we at least colonize the solar system before we get that far though. Who knows? I don't know. Only the One knows.

>>3075196

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

>>3075180

This is not the case.

If you refuse to accept the connection with God, you will die.

You will reach damnation.

You will reach obliteration.

God will not suffer your existence any longer.

This is the goddamn apocalypse happening under everyone's noses.

God is being subtle with Its judgement so everyone continues to act like they truly want to so that the judgment is True. If God parted the sky and reached its fucking arm through, then that would have caused people to act differently than their true selves.

>>3075254

There will be no other truly hospitable planets. Not like earth. They will all fall short in some way.

>>3075322

Your God sounds rather demonic to me.

Your beliefs also infringe upon free will, because that arm you talk about, is the same eternal condemnation you speak of.

Guess who wins in the end?

The giver of life or the giver of death?

How can death ever populate the infinite?

Pro-tip: It can't.

>>3075409

>eternal condemnation

I should have used the word "obliteration."

>>3075409

Test it and see what happens.

My God sounds 'demonic' because you do not have the connection with the Divine. You have your own Ego, an aspect of Satan, working through you.

You also have 6 minutes.

I will be sending that email.

>>3075434

>>3075409

What you are desiring is for God to remain in an abusive relationship where Its creations continue to take, take, take, take and cause suffering again and again and again.

You want to take everything from God, and give nothing in return. Not an ounce of Love or understanding.

This is Judgment. Righteous Judgment, for God has Children that It Loves and It will not allow for the damned to hurt Its Children.

>>3075517

Threats and more threats.

"Submit to MY WILL!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEE"

That's all I'm reading from you.

>>3075558

I allege you don't understand what simple love is and thus cannot begin to fathom the totality of PERFECT LOVE. Don't worry, I can't either.

>God has Children that It Loves and It will not allow for the damned to hurt Its Children.

I agree, which is why the damned work through the Father's children. Only through free will can you act in this reality.

>>3075610

Ah, I shouldn't feed the trolls or insane.

Mea culpa.

>>3075666

>>3075641

>damned

Should have been "damned."

Happy Tuesday to all!!!

>>3068824

I was told it is anti-Semitic to insult the “Old Testament God” vs a New Testament one FYI. Also I could you argue with you all day but I think you’re blinded. Do you agree the Greek word for the length of punishment is often correctly translated as eternal?

>>3075822

>Do you agree the Greek word for the length of punishment is often correctly translated as eternal?

It's not entirely wrong, it just doesn't impart the true meaning.

αἰώνιος

from

αἰών

meaning lifetime.

So αἰώνιος means lasting through the lifetimes.

Lasting through your many lives.

>>3074139

Lol

Jesus warned us about the Jews. Not only Jesus but Paul as well. I think it's important to note here that Judaism is a fairly new thing comparatively, being that the babylonian talmud surfaced around 3 to 600 years after christ. And my God, any history fans here aware of The assyrians and babylonians??? you want to talk about BRUTALITY- my friends…go listen to a history podcast…these were your early semitic peoples. Theres a nimrod thread around here somewhere… anyways, yeah. Bad news. Big on child sacrifice, incest, and pedophilia and a lot of the horrible stuff were still dealing with in 2018. All of this stuff connects.

E. Michael Jones puts it very well (paraphrasing here, it's getting late), he sais "God tells us to love our enemys, SO I LOVE THE JEWS…I really do…because I know they are my ENEMY"

I'll embed the lecture here. He goes over a lot of stuff but it is almost all relevant to the JQ version of this bread.

I don't neccesarily agree with 100% of EMJ's stuff- just for the record. I don't know that I agree with 100% of anyone or that anyone should agree with 100% of what I say for that matter. Steel sharpens steel. EMJ is very pro catholic, and has a pHd so he…lets just say he doesn't really question catholicism or the vatican as much as we all do. I also think he is very wary of Trump and has never heard of Q as far as I can tell. Give the guy a pass. He took up one of the most difficult subjects to write / publicly speak about. The guy is totally unapologetic and very direct in his questioning of the Jews and he has no fear of the bullshit accusation of "anti-semitism" (just means someone who dares criticize a jew). It's like watching a guitar solo, really. He has huge balls.

I tend to agree with his assertion that the Jews rejected not only christ but the LOGOS itself (reason, order, the word, God) and are therefore the perpetual enemies of humanity. History seems to agree as does the bible.

He also makes the distinction between people simply born jewish and the jewish ideology like I do. Refusing to suggest that ALL people born into jewish families are inherently bad. You never do that. Not cool. True white hats always look out for the innocent. Kind of a shame EMJ isn't a Q follower he really has the spirit. At any rate…I'll just embed the damn video and shut up.

One more thought. heres something that'll piss some people off: I have had an almost impossible time disproving the idea that the horrors we see in the vatican are not the result of crypto-jews that have infiltrated long ago.

Hope you will accept my apology for not keeping my initial responses more focused on the jewish question. I didn't see that this biblefag thread was specific to that. Until you yelled at me in red letters you son of a bitch…plus I was trying to take some kind of a break from jewspiracy but obv. that is fucking impossible. Naaive of me to think so in this world we currently live in.

>>3084060

>One more thought. heres something that'll piss some people off: I have had an almost impossible time disproving the idea that the horrors we see in the vatican are not the result of crypto-jews that have infiltrated long ago.

This reads funny to me now that I'm looking over it. I'm saying that I THINK the vatican was infiltrated by crypto jews just like masonry. EMJ would probably flip a table over if I suggested it to him.

This shit isn't easy, anons. We do the best we can with our books and laptops in 2018 to uncover our lie-filled history.

>>3075822

>I was told it is anti-semitic to

GET away from me before I hit you across the back of the legs with a golf club, so help me God

>>3075322

Aaaand this guy is a complete idiot.

Night frens!

What are demons? Where did they come from? Are they 'alive'? Are they 'beings'? Do they cause all manner of diseases? Are they 'viruses'?

Just looking for a succinct explanation here from some spriritual autists who have cracked the code. What are we all dealing with?

Dear Q, What you are doing to Christianity, you must do. But understand, the collateral damage is terrifying. If you are truly just then you should have a plan for holding Christianity together. Please, come find me. Please hear me out. The plan is solid. With all honor and respect. - Subject PK-01

>>3085312

I only encountered them once. They were as of shadows on the wall. Sinister-like with diabolical laughter. Personally I believe they, like angels ultimately report to God. At the very least, they owe their existence to God. I keep going back to that forbidden fruit. If God knew even half of what I knew about humanity, he would have known that that fruit was toast as soon as he told them they couldn't have it. They couldn't have even understood what a consequence was at the time. This is all about taking free willed creatures (us) that know nothing about anything into maturity and wisdom. Angels and demons are teaching tools for our dumb asses.

>>3085312

heres what I know (incomplete)

They move to and fro in 3d space

They can enter into certain living beings, often many at once

They are NOT able to see the future, but being free to move to and fro, they can, for example, go across the ocean and see a board meeting where your new boss sais "we should hire this fag, he seems ok" and then hop back over and relay this to you in your stupid tarot card spread, if they feel like giving you the false impression you are a God in training able to tell the future itself and create your own reality (this is how people get sucked into ritual occult and eventually throw a child onto a burning hot surface). (((they))) have fallen for this and make use of this in my opinion but (((they))) are unaware that these immaterial shitbeasts are NOT anywhere as close to the power that GOD has. Hence they are frequently confused by shit like Trump being elected or their plans being blown to smithereens. Again YOU are trapped in a body and have the restrictions that come with that, they have a lot of the same restrictions only…not bound to a meat vessel… to directly interact here they seem to have to inhabit one and influence it through trickery and deception.

most importantly, (((they))) are fucked.

>>3088324

I don't know this for sure but I kind of get the intuition that once enough of Gods children awake to what is going on, he steps in and takes his belt off and (if you follow the new testament Gospel and don't allow yourself to be confused by the absolute REVERSAL and trickery that happens in "Revelation") basically renews this place, we regain control and defeat evil. I think this is where we are. The turning point. It's time to put our foot on the snakes head and put an end to this shit.

>>3085312

>Angels and demons are teaching tools for our dumb asses.

I believe this too.

>They are NOT able to see the future

This 100%.

"You" can also cast them out. It's not YOU doing it. You pray and ask the Father to remove them, the ones you have identified in people, yourself, or places, to exorcise and banish them from ALL realities of man.

That seems to do the trick. It's not that hard. And like Jesus says at one point, you cast one out and 7 come back, or something like that.

Just don't stop asking the Father, the One Creator, to exorcise them. Exorcism as in banishment from our reality, not just removal from places or people. Removal or "casting out" seems to just remove them internally but they still hang around causing havoc.

It must be complete and utter banishment from our reality.

Let the Father deal with them in whatever plane of existence they choose that is not our plane.

There's a really good book if you want to identify their works, Manual for Spiritual Warfare by TAN books.

There is ordinary and extraordinary demonic activity.

Ordinary is:

They work directly introducing thoughts into your mind.

1) temptation

2) deception

3) accusation

4) doubt

5) enticement

6) provocation

Extraordinary activity is:

They work through thoughts and manifestations in the physical realm.

1) infestation (places, flying/falling objects, shadows)

2) oppression (invisible blows, health or financial deterioration)

3) obsession (internal struggle with inner torment by planted thoughts)

4) possession (no true possession of the soul, as there is always free will – usurper of the body)

>>3089185

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise the this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.

>>3089614

>we, O Lord, we fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee

Should be

we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee.

we -> with

>>3089614

>and power of the perverse ones by exorcised forever.

Should be

and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever.

by -> be

anon did not proof read. mae culpa.

>>3089185

(this one has corrected typos)

Holy Water is extremely powerful. Here's how you make it and how the early Christians made it. It's a codification of the Trinity in substance.

A quote:

"The first thing, O man, that you have to venerate is the age of the waters in that their substance is ancient; the second, their divinity, in that they were the seat of the Divine Spirit, more pleasing to Him, no doubt, than all the other then existing elements. For darkness was total thus far, shapeless, without the ornament of the stars; and the abyss gloomy; and the earth unfinished; and the heaven unwrought: water alone – always a perfect, gladsome, simple material substance, pure in itself – supplied a worthy vehicle to God."

Tertullian (B. 160)

First you bless and exorcise salt (i.e. ask God to do it).

Then you bless and exorcise water (i.e. God does it!!!).

Then you mix the two, and bless and exorcise this new third material – the mixture of salt and water.

Prayer for salt:

Our help is in the name of the Lord, who hath made heaven and earth. I exorcise thee, though creature salt,, by the living God, by the true God, by the holy God, by the God who commanded thee be cast into the water by Eliseus, the prophet, that the sterility of the water might be healed, that thou mayest become salt exorcised unto the healing of your children, that thou mayest become health of body and soul to all who take thee or are in the presence of thee; that every delusion and wickedness and snare of diabolical cunning and every unclean spirit may depart from the place in which though shalt be by Him the Creator of all things.

We humbly implore Thy boundless clemency, almighty and everlasting God, that of Thy bounty Though wouldst deign to bless and sanctify this creature salt, which Thou hast given for the use of mankind; let it be unto all who take it health of mind and body; that whoever shall be touched with, sprinkled with, or in the presence of it, be freed from all manner of uncleanness and assaults from spiritual wickedness. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with Thee in the Unity of of the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Prayer for the water:

I exorcise thee, O creature water, in the name of God the Father Almighty, and in the same of Jesus Christ, His Son; and in the power of the Holy Spirit; that thou mayest become water exorcised for the removal and banishment of all the power of the enemy; that though mayest have strength to uproot and cast out the enemy himself and his apostate creatures, by the power of the same, our Lord Jesus Christ in blessed Trinity.

O God, who for the salvation of mankind founded one of Thy greatest sacraments in the element of water, graciously give ear when we call upon Thee, and pour upon this element, prepared for diverse purifications, the power of Thy blessing; let Thy creature serving in Thy mysteries, by divine grace be effectual for casting out devils and for driving away diseases, that on whatsoever houses, places, or beings this water shall be it may be freed from all uncleanness, and delivered from hurt. Let not the blast of pestilence nor disease remain there; let every enemy that lieth in wait be banished; and if there be aught that hath ill will to the safety and quietness of the inhabitants, let it be banished from the reality of men at the presence of this water, that they, being healed by Thy Holy grace, may be defended from all that rise up against them. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who in unity with Thee and the Holy Spirit liveth and reigneth forever and ever. Amen.

Then you mix the salt and water, you can make the sign of the cross etc.

Let this become a mixture of salt and water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

The Lord be with you. And with thy spirit.

O God, Author of invincible might, King of unconquerable dominion who puttest down the strength of of all that rise up against Thee; who overcomest the rage of the adversary; who by Thy power does cast down and banish all wickedness; Creator of All; we, O Lord, with fear and love humbly entreat and implore Thee to mercifully look upon this creature of salt and water, to graciously illumine and sanctify it with Thy favor; that wheresoever it shall be all troubling of unclean spirits may be cast out and banished, and power of the perverse ones be exorcised forever. Through our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with Thee in Unity with the Holy Spirit forever and ever. Amen.

Cook with blessed and exorcised and salt. Drink Holy Water. Your body will literally become made of spiritual armor.

Practices of the early Christians that were stamped out over time. Bring them back.

Feel free to modify the prayers. Don't delimit the power of the Father through the prayer, allow him to work freely through the elements without restriction; that would be my only recommendation.

>>3089185

Is it theoretically possible to take it one step further?

As in…banish from every reality and timeline in all of existance? ie permantely destroy said demon utterly (think summary execution).

If so, why not use this to exterminate ALL demons and kill satan thus good wins today.

All organized religion is bullshit. Now I know your response will be to nod in agreement but then tell yourself that YOUR religion is truth. You're excuses and mental gymnastics are the same as anyone else. Organized religion is bullshit. Man made control system.

>>3092150

Interesting analysis. What is religion? What is organized religion? Are the teachings of Christ an organized religion in and of itself, or does it organize as people try to follow the teachings of Christ together? Is sharing a faith between two or more people an abomination as you claim, or a blessing between practitioners with good intentions?

>>3091415

I think the issue becomes, in that scenario, we have no free will in the material world if you remove all sources of evil or differentiation from Perfect Love.

As long as we are here, we have to deal with it. Until we align our wills to God's will.

If we are material and spiritual creatures, then it is logical and statistically possible for other material and spiritual creatures to exist in the vastness of the universe.

That is extraterrestrials.

This is referenced in the OT as the "Sons of God."

We are but one Son of God as Man. In the same vein that we individually are one Son of Man through Christ.

If we are spiritual creatures, then it is logical that there are wholly spiritual creatures. That is spirits/angels/demons/dimensional-creatures.

The Alpha and the Omega is infinite and "In My Father's house there are many mansions." (John 14:2)

We are not alone and we have never been alone.

I suspect the biggest Q drops will start to mention those material beings that live underground. For even encoded into something so foundational to Judeo-Christianity as the Ten Commandments, there are strong indicators straight from the Source that something is amiss on our world.

The Second Commandment received by Moses from God:

Exodus 20:4-6

4 You shall not make unto you any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6 And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my Commandments.

1) that is in heaven above

2) that is in the earth beneath

3) that is in the water under the earth

You shall not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them.

You will not serve or bow down to the alien overlords.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings underground.

You will not serve or bow down to the beings in the oceans under the earth.

1) Extraterrestrials

2) Antediluvian survivors living underground?

3) Your guess is as good as mine.

The point is, it does not say, make no image of any thing on Earth. Don't make images of the things on the Land, or the Sea, or in the Air.

It is very specific. Don't make images to or worship those in the heavens (i.e. firmament). Don't make images or worship those under the earth, not on the earth. And don't make images or worship those in the oceans under the earth, not the oceans of the earth.

Food for thought.

>>3104249

I will concede that my interpretation of Exodus 20:4-6 is entirely wrong, since I am basing it on the English translations and I have 0 knowledge of Hebrew.

I'm basing it on the fact that translators, translate both מִתַָּ֑֜חַת‪‬ (mit-ta-ḥaṯ) into beneath and underneath.

And that translators agree it's meaning is: lower in spatial position than.

>>3104484

it's -> its

Actually, after looking a bit at the Hebrew and translations for words, it does seem it is exactly saying:

in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

If anybody wants to look: https://biblehub.com/interlinear/exodus/20.htm

>>3104781

Ok, so…

Hebrew transliteration: (lō-) (lā·’ā·reṣ,) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bam·ma·yim) (wa·’ă·šer) (mit·ta·ḥaṯ) (bā·’ā·reṣ)

Direct English: Not to-the-land in-lower-spatial-position-than them-with-water or-that-is in-lower-spatial-position-than on-the-land

English: Not to those in the land under the water or [those] under the top of the land

>>3075322

You do not know the love of God.

Fallen angels interbreed with daughters of man > Nephilim. Nephilim were the ancient men of renown … demigods of mythology, giants, etc. Fallen angels became the ancient gods of mythology, to have men worship them. Read book of Enoch concerning description of fallen angels and one (cannot remember the name) sounds exactly like the Egyptian Ra.

Lucifer and the fallen angels planned to pollute the human DNA so that the Savior (Hamaschiach) could not be born … thus God destroyed the surface of the earth with the flood. Physical bodies of fallen angels and nephalim were destroyed, but spirits were not.

For thousands of years, they have been interfering with and misleading men, planting false artifacts and distorting history, and manifesting in the physical world as demons (or aliens). Most are trapped or exiled in another (spiritual) dimension - but may be amassing toward earth in the form of "aliens."

At some point in time very soon, they will be unleashed by Lucifer on all of the earth. Antichrist will rise to power over a large part of the world, if not the whole world. You will know him by the 7-year "peace" treaty he brokers between Israel & muslim world.

We are all born with an immortal soul. You will spend all of eternity somewhere, after your life here on this planet expires.

There will be Heaven for those who choose it, and the lake of fire for everyone else. All have been/will be given the opportunity to choose salvation - by the narrow path - through our Lord and Savior Yeshua Hamaschiach.

The only time that it is too late to be saved is if you die before accepting Him, or if you accept the Mark of the Beast. To be saved, you must confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that He is who He said He was, that you are not able to live a perfect sinless life under your own power, that you need and accept His free gift of Grace (salvation) to pay the "fine" for your sins, and that you believe (in your heart) that He has saved you.

>>3085312

Demons are the disembodied spirits of the fallen angels and Nephalim, after their physical bodies were destroyed in the Great Flood.

>>3110759

It takes a brave man to declare that what Jesus did does not line up with what they’ve been taught.

He came to save ALL that are oppressed of the devil.

He said he came to fulfill his father’s will. What was his father’s will? That all men would be saved. Why would he say “It is finished” before he died. Did he lie?

I saw a demon on a person in an ICU one time. There was a huge spiritual battle that ensued, and then person died freely and peacefully.

I asked, “What was that demon doing?” You would expect to hear that he was there to take them to hell.

That punk bitch demon was there to tell the person that they were going to Hell. That was it. It tormented the person into thinking they were going to hell. The person was never going to Hell. In the end the little bitch demon got kicked out, and it was actually an awe-filled end of life event.

I think people can trap themselves in almost a slumber state, even after death. Many near death survivors talk about having Jesus, or the man made of light, standing in front of them, like “Hellooooo”, I’m right here….” They say they couldn’t believe he was there the whole time.

The Pharisees were great at telling people what was going to happen if they sinned. Jesus fulfilled the law, but do you believe his words….?

“Unless you believe, you will not enter….”

The Bible states from cover to cover,

"Oppose evil" or "If you don't oppose evil, these are the consequences".

Communists, who infiltrated the Christian publishing houses,

were able to get Christians to stop opposing evil.

>>3045172

I might word this improperly am new fag.

So since the top of the pyrimids bloodline is so protected. Do you think that there are only X spirits in said bloodline, and would that would mean there is a sort of cycle of reincarnations.

>>2983308

May the power of YHWH destroy the prison holding you and show you you are truly free in Christ from listening to your demons-take the freedom while you can unless you have decided already to rule in Hell not serve in Heaven-but they lied to you evil is only slavery and torment always so escape to Christ!

>>3112026

God Bless You !

The “G” in the freemasonry symbol and the skull in the skull and bones symbol are said to represent “Golgotha” (Aramaic) or “place of the skull.” Golgotha/place of the skull = the place where Jesus was sacrificed.

Many, many strange connections surround “Bethesda,” as well, as in the healing pool of Bethesda discussed is John chapter 5.

Think UK and AUS are worried?

Executive Order Sept 20, 2018

Executive Order Authorizing the Implementation of Certain Sanctions Set Forth in the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act

https:// www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/

>>3112026

>That all men would be saved. Why would he say “It is finished” before he died. Did he lie?

No, but you did. You believe everyone is saved. The bible, and Jesus, teach otherwise. So one of you is wrong, and it's not Jesus.

>>3127872

Heaven forbid that the "Savior of the world" actually saves every person, huh? That would, like, make Jesus a Success. Can't be having that now can we?

The scriptures do present an eternal death, the second death in the form of permanent containment…for…the devil and his messengers.

Where are these entities located currently? Why, IN MANKIND. Divide there and see better. This fact is one of the most glaring and open facts in the New Testament Gospels. Yet people tend to either not see it or forget it. Especially when it comes to seeing their own sin is in fact "of the devil." 1 John 3:8

>>3127872

I only cited what Jesus said. His words have made it pretty clear that it is not my job to decide who he can or can’t “save”.

He “saved” me from this world when he took the bitterness that was destroying my life. When he replaced my fear with courage. He saved me when he spoke worth into me after being raised as pretty much invisible. He saved me from trusting only in government or doctors. He “saves” me all the time.

It just seems dangerous to put yourself in a position to decide such huge things for him.

It is apparent that the Bible scholars that knew the Bible front to back, even got it wrong, seeing as they crucified the one they claimed to be waiting for. Do you really think the second time around won’t be like the first?

We can’t go wrong when we follow the simple command of, “Treat others the way you would want to be treated.”

When I was lost, you……

berated and took away hope? or you reached out your hand to help…. which would you want?

Love one another, for love IS the fulfilling of the law.

He is a mystery, but he is

>>3137540

Several things…..

Simply put if Jesus saves everyone then what do we need a moral system for? Why have right and wrong? Why did we need Laws? Use common sense. In reading deeper into scripture you will find all men are judged, some to everlasting life (not eternal for only God is eternal) and some to everlasting death. God tells us he takes no pleasure in condemning man.

Also, NO ONE has been saved. That is Christian dogmatic bunk they teach you. Read Hebrews 11 (NT). It lists all kinds of patriarchs and none of them have received the promise. They are dead in the grave until they come out of the grave into resurrection. Even king David is not in heaven (Acts 2:34) yet you think you are saved because you have an imagination of Jesus in your brain? Really.

You are what is called "CALLED". You have a calling, an interest, a desire. That is not "Saved". And if your works do not match your faith/calling then you will not be what Paul calls "justified" as faith without works is meaningless.

And Jesus in displaying the Law did not make it moot at his death. The word fulfill in Greek does not mean to moot. Fulfill means to display. But he himself had to do the Law and at his death he fulfilled the very last Law he had to encounter - at death. We read this here…

Deu 21:22  And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: 

Deu 21:23  His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day;

So when Jesus said "It is finished" he meant his requirement to show us a human soul can do all the Law was done. He fulfilled the last law at death.

To think you have no understanding of the Law, yet you claim to follow Jesus, does not make any sense. Christians use the word "LAW" and "SIN" and have no clue what these words means, what they do, what breaking them means, etc. It is just words to you people as your preachers have lied to you as bad if not more than the Jewish Rabbis have lied to their flock. And to break the Law means you are living in a constant state of sin.

The knowledge of good and evil, which man obtains by going into evil via his sins and turning his back on the Laws of God due to some religious writings that allows the follower faith without works, is far removed from the true likeness of God which he would have attained by avoiding sin as Jesus demonstrated.

The imaginary liberty of a sinner not studying works leads to the bondage of sin and ends in death. This is far from the true liberty of a life of fellowship with God which is obedience to the written (not oral) Word of God. There is no freedom called "living in sin in the name of Jesus”. Faith without works is meaningless and works comes from studying the Laws of God.

For if we were not to be under the terms of the law anymore, by extension we would not be guilty of sinning; therefore having no need of a Saviour from our nonexistent sins. Were this to be the case, then Jesus' death was a total waste of His time.

>>3138282

One last thing….be careful when reading Paul in Romans 7 and Galatians 3. this is where people get tripped up as Paul is not talking about doing away with the Mosaic Law.

Paul talks about 2 sets of Laws - written and oral. As he says…

Act 24:14  But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 

Notice the term "written in the law" not oral.

- 1PS

>>3138282

I asked him one time, What is up with all the commandments? It’s impossible for anyone to follow this!” He said, “You’re right….”

Then he said, “If you give me your heart, and let me me heal it and fix it, I will give you a heart that does not steal, that does not commit adultery, does not covet, does not murder, etc., for I will teach you how to love. Love doesn’t think of itself.”

I thought about it, and if I really loved my spouse, I would never want to commit adultery. If I loved others, I wouldn’t want to steal from them. If I loved myself, I could never think of aborting my own child.

I said, “Deal”, and he’s been fixing him ever since.

It’s HIS works, not mine. All I’ve done is trade my mess for his life. It’s been fun, and awful, and beautiful, and very messy. I wouldn’t trade it for even the salvation that you speak of. I rest, knowing that I am loved, knowing there is hope for the things that haven’t been fixed. He loves me. The fact that he was able to convince me of that is a miracle on its own.

While he walked the earth, he too said, “I of myself can do nothing.” He let the father WORK through him, and evidently I too can do all things through him, for he is the strength. He is holiness. He is what’s pure. I just have to be willing to let him in, and I have to trust that everything he does, is ultimately for my good. I suck on my own. I’ve never been more grateful for my shady past, because it makes all that he’s done in me pretty apparent.

His works. Not mine.

Faith without works is dead. My faith in him would have died if he never traded my hell for his heaven. He’s the faithful servant.

>>3137056

>The scriptures do present an eternal death

NO WHERE in the New Testament does this phrase exist. NO WHERE.

Try to prove me wrong.

If you by chance find a translation that claims this, I will show you the wickedness of satanic translators. FFS, not even the insane KJV contains this.

>>3139830

You sure like to make things up to suit your dogma. Here is what I read what Jesus said. Please read….

Mat 5:18  Truly I say to you, Until the heaven and the earth pass away, in no way shall one iota or one point pass away from the Law until all comes to pass. 

All has not come to pass. And here he says…

Joh 14:15  If you love Me, keep My commandments. 

You say you love him? Then do what he says.

The problem you have like many others is that you do not understand the 2 sets of Laws Paul is talking about. Jewish law and the Pharisees ARE NOT BIBLE SCHOLARS. They are experts in ORAL law not written law. The oral law is now codified as the Talmud. They were practicing Talmudic Judaism which Jesus called the customs and traditions of Elders.

Paul says to follow the WRITTEN LAW. As he says…

Act 24:14  But I confess this to you that according to the Way, which they say is a sect, so I worship the ancestral God believing all things according to that having been written in the Law and the Prophets, 

And as King David said…

Psa 119:44  And I shall keep Your Law continually, forever and ever. 

Psa 119:113 I hate the halfhearted; but I love Your Law. 

You are talking about the ORAL law when you say "NO ONE CAN KEEP all those laws".

I know you do not understand what I am telling you. And I write for the people VIEWING these posts not necessarily for you. I know people like you. You are following Chrisitanity and EXCLUDING the parts of the bible that do not fit what you want it to say. That is not the way it works.

You must live a righteous life and that is predicated by the Law. Jesus taught the written TORAH LAW. When Jesus taught people what you are seeing is Torah law in its most basic form not Christianity. but the Jews are not under Torah Law and what the Jews are doing is NOT Torah law.

- 1PS

>>3140937

(You)

NO WHERE in the New Testament does this phrase exist. NO WHERE.[/quote]

Matthew 19:16

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into EVERLASTING punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Mark 3:29

But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of ETERNAL damnation.

Revelation 14:

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be TORMENTED WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up FOR EVER AND EVER: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Revelation 20:14

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is THE SECOND DEATH.

Revelation 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is THE SECOND DEATH.

The above in CAPS are assuredly for THE DEVIL AND HIS MESSENGERS.

Give up on trying to save the devils, sin, death and evil.

God in Christ can and does save "all people."

The difficulty is the parties, man and devil, are currently walking in the same shoes. Readers "naturally" mistake what is for devils as being for "people" and vice versa.

>>3143786

Matthew 25:46

EVERLASTING punishment

κόλασιν αἰώνιον

kolasin aiōnion

Correct English: correction lifetimes

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%BA%CF%8C%CE%BB%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B7

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B1%E1%BC%B0%CF%8E%CE%BD#Ancient_Greek

Lifetimes of correction.

Mark 3:29

αἰωνίου ἁμαρτήματος

aiōniou hamartēmatos

lifetimes [of] missing-the-mark

Revelations is symbolic #1, #2 that is not what it says.

But just to show you the insanity of modern translations. I'll link you to this for R 20:14:

https://biblehub.com/text/revelation/20-14.htm

"This is the second death"

is actually

This-here the death the second I am, that(feminine) lake/marsh/basin/sea that(neuter) trial/fire.

Enjoy!

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>>3045047

what kind of transgressions are we talking here? I assume you would not support forgiveness for murderers/rapists etc.? They must accept their punishment?

>>3057185

oh ok

>>3141128

'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

>>3141128

'For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.'

From Slaves of Sin to Slaves of God. What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.

For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

>>3149021

Romans 6

>>3147222

No thing power or entity going into the infamous Lake of Fire is shown coming out.

To remove any thing power or entity would also potentially allow the return of hell, death, evil, sin, etc.

We are promised very certain things will be "no more."

Revelation 21:4

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain:

Why will this be so?

-FOR THE FORMER THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY.

The only things being reincarnated presently are devils, who inhabit new bodies when their dead human hosts pass away. They move to another newly born human host. They have also been here from the beginning of mankind and have not yet "passed away."

Rev. 1:

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and THEY ALSO WHICH PIERCED HIM: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

The person's who nailed Jesus to the cross were forgiven. The "DEVILS" who owned those flesh bodies at the time are STILL HERE and will see Him when He returns. They were NOT FORGIVEN nor will they be.

>>3110882

This has been my theory about for some time, but they just seem so numerous, how have they kept up their power when facing modern population numbers that didn't exist even a couple thousand years ago? Do they have any means of reproduction? I know they gain strength and power by creating and absorbing negative energy but how do they keep their numbers up? As Jesus said, exorcise one and 7 come back later. Though I could be massively underestimating the population pre-flood.

The Nephalim were the offsprings of Fallen Angels + Human women, right? They were the giants?

Did a giant flood really flood the ENTIRE earth? Where did that water come from and where did it go?

I know quite a bit about demons, just not where they came from.

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>>3150145

Demons are not disembodied spirits of previous giant persons. They are devils, all sourced from the "father" of same, thee devil, Satan, the great dragon.

Giant human beings were simply a product of line breeding tall humans to tall humans, often "inbred." The same things are practiced today with dairy cattle for example, though not as often anymore because of genetic malformations. Line breeding can multiply genetic variations such as "height" and also replicate and multiply genetic PROBLEMS.

These malformations are even noted, such as 6 fingers, in the Bible. 2 Sam 21:20, 1 Chron 20:6

We know from Jesus that the devil has "children" from Jesus in john 8:44. If we understand a basic principle that the scriptures are formed around, that devil(s) and man occupy the same flesh we understand there are TWO SEPARATE AND DISTINCT PARTIES that constitute what we quite falsely believe is just an individual person. In John 8:44 for example Jesus address these "children of the devil" IN the flesh of the Pharisees. Jesus is NOT addressing the Pharisees as individuals, but as CAPTIVES of these DEVILS, and address and even aggravates them via exposures. Mark 4:15 shows us that the devil does enter the hearts of man, to steal, blind, destroy, etc. Sin is also noted as being "of the devil" and EVERYONE has sin and is a sinner because of this scriptural fact. 1 John 3:8, 2 Cor. 12:7, 1 Tim. 1:15, Romans 7:17-21 and the huge amounts of examples in the N.T. of devils and man being in the same location, which is the body of flesh, that demons consider as "their house." Matt. 12:44

These things ride the flesh "like horses."

Devils are also termed "TARES." And "EVIL SEED" of the devil in the scriptures.

Matthew 13:

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this.

The disclosure of Jesus to His disciples was this:

Matt. 13:

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE WICKED ONE.

The devil, satan, does not sexually or genetically reproduce. They are spirits, WICKED ONES. We do not see them "physically" but their presence is perceived in many other ways depicted in the scriptures. Many.

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>>3149021

Please understand…Paul is NOT talking about the Mosaic Law most of the time. The Law he is talking about is the Oral law.

You ARE under Law or you would not be a sinner. You are NOT under Jewish law. No one can do all the Jewish law. If there was a law that could give you righteousness they (the Jews) would have written it). Jesus nailed the Jewish law to the cross.

NOT MOSAIC LAW.

The law of sin is the Jewish law not the Law of Moses which is LOVE.

I absolutely HATE IT when people talk about Law and sin and have not studied the Law. Don't tell me "I have read it". BS.

- 1PS

>>3150145

Angels were not given the ability to procreate. They are not screwing humans.

Nephalim are famous, rich "big" men. Like Rockefellers. They simply took women.

And yes a giant flood flooded the entire earth. It had never rained on earth until that time by the way so an ark looked very out of place.

- 1PS

When I was younger I had a vision of the 'classic' Jesus. It was out of the ordinary for me. He had light behind him and open arms. People ran to him. When they got close his face changed to a demonic one with long, sharp teeth and began to attack and tear apart the people. A voice told me that the Jesus portrayed today has become like a golem and essentially a thirsty and greedy vampiric figure.

I was told that this was not the true Christ and has been perverted. I was shown the true Christ…which had a 'face like the Sun' - meaning I have no actual description of it. It was a one time vision.

I've always had a hard time with communion in regards to transubstantiation (aka eating our 'God'). Growing up Catholic I was told by the priests that the bread and wine because real flesh and real wine and we need to 'eat' Jesus' body. I stopped taking communion at that point. Communion in any denomination of church has never sat well with me.

>>3153440

#MeToo

re: communion

>>3150817

#MeToo

Some of the best loved scriptures are contained within the Pauline doctrine. Which is the first thing that my spidey sense picked up on. Also, when we entertain the idea that the bible could have been purposefully edited by the Cabal, the Paul material would be the place to do the most damage.

I am skeptical of all things written by Paul. When I read Paul, I am just looking for code.

That being said, did the discoveries of the Nag Hammadi texts or the Dead Sea Scrolls provide any Paul documents? I do not recall ANY, but I could be mistaken.

>>3153965

who cares what the masses of sheep think about when gods send their messages to them?

the romans are expert propagandists don't forget that

>>3155671

You didn't answer my question…. my question was what source do you have in saying that angels don't procreate?

There are some that believe that the angel Gabriel impregnated Mary, that's where I am going with this.

>>3150805

Genesis 6:1–6

Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God (bene Elohim) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.

>>3138282

"Works" are not necessary for Salvation.

What works did the criminal crucified with Jesus complete?

Luke 23:42-43

And he was saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!"

And He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

Faith in and through Jesus, alone, is Salvation.

Once saved, you choose to make Him your Lord … which is where works come in. As you struggle to live more like Him, your works will bear fruit.

I've read through most of this thread, and there are SO MANY screwed up things posted here.

I've seen all types of perversion of scripture and the faith of a Christ follower … reincarnation, numerology, mormonism, jehovah's witness doctrine, hatred for Jews, works over faith, and a whole boatload of Roman Catholic crap (Pro Tip: Roman Catholic Church is not "the Church" that is Christ's Bride - rather , it is a satanic cult).

If anyone reading this is confused, here are some basics:

- Jesus Christ: born of Jewish bloodline of David. Our Savior is a Jew.

- Jesus Christ: fulfillment of the Law, and of over 300 OT prophecies about the Messiah.

- Jesus Christ: came 1st time to be both Messiah to the Jews and Savior to the Gentiles. Jews expected/wanted a warrior-king like David, rejected Christ. Christ's Church is any/all believe in Him for Salvation, whether Jew or Gentile. Church is NOT a replacement for God's chosen people.

- ALL (except Christ) have sinned, and fallen out of God's Grace.

- NOBODY can save themselves or be their own god, no matter how "good" a life they lead or how many works they complete.

- ANY SIN and ALL SIN is forgivable in and through Jesus Christ (the sin of "blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" was only possible in Jesus' physical presence, by denying the miracles He performed and attributing them to evil or satan).

- If you do not consciously: confess your sin, admit your inability to save yourself, confess that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, confess that He died and was resurrected, and accept forgiveness for your sin by accepting Him - then you are not and cannot be saved.

If you consciously do all of the above, then you are saved by His Grace alone.

- There are not multiple paths that lead to Heaven. The gods of islam, buddhism, hinduism, etc. are not the same god that is worshipped by Christ-followers. There is only one true God, and only one "narrow path" to reconciliation with God, Jesus Christ.

I sincerely pray that those among you that are confused, or filled with other doctrine/beliefs, find your way to the "narrow path."

>>3164008

Please read these points…

1. Where do you tell me that what Jesus said about "Works" (keeping the Law) is not important due to your misunderstanding of Paul? What did Jesus say about works?…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

You will be judged by your works. And this…

Mat 12:36  But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 

Mat 12:37  For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. 

You will be judged by every word you have said and posted. And yet again after Jesus died…

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 

You WILL be judged according to your works and you are not pre-approved becasue you follow some Pagan religion. And your religion cannot even agree on who Jesus is anyway. Do I follow the Mormon Jesus, the Jehovah Witness Jesus? or the Catholic Jesus? Christianity has been developed to DIVIDE and CONQUER you and lead you AWAY from the Word.

One problem is in Paul. When he says works of Law cannot help you he means JEWISH ORAL LAW. Not Torah. Ephesians 2:8-9 is NOT TORAH.

2. Jesus told the thief on the stake he will be with him in Paradise. Have you looked up the Greek word for Paradise? It is NOT heaven. If Jesus said heaven he would have said heaven. Paradise, from paradiso (gr.) means "a future park like setting". This is the day of judgment is what he was telling him.

3, There is no biblical doctrine that says "once saved always saved". That is a Christian snake oil. The bible says opposite. You are judged daily.

You are espousing Christian dogma not the bible.

- 1PS

>>3164346

Jesus is not a Jew in the religious sense. He is a Jew in the fact he is of the lineage of Judah, which is 1 definition of the word "Jew". If he was a typical Jew there would have been no arguments with the Pharisees as he would have practice oral talmudic law. Do you understand the difference in oral and written Law?

He fulfilled the requirements he had to do. Fulfill does not mean to moot the law. And in Greek fulfill means to display. His actions displayed the Law. Almost all his encounters can be explained if you know the Law.

Jesus did not come as Messiah. He did not fulfill but about 40% of the requirements for Messiah. Did he bring Israel to greatness? Did he put down all wars? Did he beat weapons to plowhsears? did he come in the clouds? No. But he fulfilled parts of Messiah that requires humbling. At his 2nd coming he will fulfill the Messiah requirements 100%.

All are sinners and we are told to try not to. There is no grace to simply say "I am a sinner and there is nothing I can do about it". That is a Catholic defeatist attitude. We are to learn the Law and stop sinning.

Again, read my above post…you WILL be judged by your works and words. Sorry you refuse to believe Jesus' exact words. Again Matthew 16:27…

Mat 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Do you not understand what sin is or what it does? Are you telling me Jesus forgives people who steal? Jesus loves people who break the Sabbath? Jesus does not mind if you have sex with a dog? You do not understand what sin is, how it hurts you, your friends, your animals, and your relationship with God. You people should NOT TALK about sin and Law. You cannot confess your sins because you have never been taught or read or studied the Law. As we read in the NT 1John 3:4 Sin is breaking the Law. If the Law were not in effect you would not be a sinner.

Anyway, you are definitely astute in Christian DOGMA. Satan is proud of your post. "Sin all you want and simply call on Jesus". You people are biblically dangerous!

- 1PS

>>3168948

No one "stops" being a sinner. That would make them, at that point, when they are not "sinning." sinless. That is quite a scriptural lie that many religious people buy into, that if they are not externally sinning at any particular moment they are sinless. That is in fact the "catholic" mindset. Get absolution, be sinless until next sin transpires.

Paul took the exact opposite track, claiming to be the chief of sinners after salvation in 1 Tim. 1:15. Paul took this truthful approach because he knew the LAW prompted thoughts of LAWLESSNESS within, and in that proved that EVIL was internally present withIN him.

And it is SO in ALL.

At least Paul avoided being a LYING HYPOCRITE, huh?

>>3164346

If you do not consciously: confess your sin- inability to save yourself-confess that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh-confess that He died and was resurrected- accept forgiveness for your sin-accepting Him -

then you are not and cannot be saved. [/quote]

That's quite a wish list there.

Saul was struck down by The Light of Jesus on the Road to Damascus and didn't do one single thing listed above.

I guess God in Christ has exceptions, huh? Maybe favors murderer's?

Paul preached Grace because Paul did not do one single thing to deserve the salvation of Jesus Christ. Not one thing.

Any of us who would be likewise "struck by the Light" and heard Gods Direct Voice would be likewise saved.

Grace is what? What? Oh, that's right!

UNMERITED. emph. UN

Ah, the good ol' "activate your Jesus coupons now and get your sin forgiven". Otherwise this offer will expire and the all the actions of Jesus, technically, were entirely useless.

How is Jesus of Judah? The Bible say's of Nazareth, that would be Nazarene.

>>3150805

You are fantastically ignorant of actual Scripture, famefag.

Genesis 6:2 "the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose … The Nephilim (or Giants) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." (ESV).

So … men like the Rockefellers were "sons of God"???

I don't think so, shill.

>>3159363

He/it won't answer your question, because they can't. The assertion is contrary to actual Scripture.

>>3150390

Problem with your erroneous assertion about "Giant human beings" ….

Genesis 6:2-4 "the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose …. The Nephilim (or Giants) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown." (ESV)

>>3141128

"I know you do not understand what I am telling you. And I write for the people VIEWING these posts not necessarily for you."

What a self-righteous and pompous famefag you are?!?!?

Your distortions of Scripture are manifold … so much so that you are either extremely misinformed or INTENTIONALLY attempting to mislead others.

Keep signing your posts, famefag … it makes it easier to know when a post is complete crap and should be ignored.

>>3168948

You are definitely a proud and self-righteous deceiver, aren't you???

Just out of morbid curiousity, where in Hell did you acquire your distorted readings and understandings of Scripture? Roman Catholic? Jehovah's Witness??

>>3198841

If she didn't, Aiesha certainly said it to Mohammad re how many wives the man could have.

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>>3168948

I have to ask…..did Jesus fulfill all of the messianic prophecies if they were ripe to be fulfilled?

Are not the prophecies that Jesus did not fulfill 2000 years ago still in the ripening stage?

Does not the 1,000 reign of Jesus Christ from the throne of David in Jerusalem, an event in our future, not fulfill ALL of the messianic prophecies?

When you say Jesus did not fulfill all of the prophecies about the messiah, were you aware that some of them were time dependant, and that time has elapsed by almost 2000 years? If so, then either Jesus is the Messiah, and is coming back, or there will never be a Messiah.

Your choice. For you.

>>3150390

What rubbish. The hybrid demon/human offspring, the nephilim, were giants. Their sires, angels who took the form of men, are very tall. Very, very tall. The women were normal height, and were not likely to have been asked if they wanted to be raped by fallen angels.

You are actually one of the devil's children, as you have not asked to be adopted into the family of God.

The spirits of the dead nephilim, the giants, are not demons, but they are still evil spirits, and they are still chained up until the day of judgment.

>>3143786

Jesus said it personally. Eternal punishment. Does that matter to you, what Jesus says?

>>3178020

Jesus is the Root of David, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, among other things. Nazareth was a Roman garrison town, basically "on the other side of the tracks", where they even raised pigs for the Romans to eat.

"Does anything good ever come out of Nazareth???"

>>3177568

Aye, any man who claims to no longer sin puts himself above Paul and on par with Christ Jesus. Do I "Have" to sin? What kind of an absurd question is that? If I could stop sinning entirely, I would absolutely do so. But I can't. Not because I don't want to, or because I "have to", but because of the sin nature that temporarily exists within my flesh.

I will be glad when the Lord burns it out of me, and I can be my real self, for the first time, at the beginning of my life.

>>3163946

Make sure your sins will find you out. Especially your lies.

>>3198918

Waiting for someone to come save us when we are fully capable of walking the path to save ourselves through the Lord, without a mediator, is a fool's gamble.

My answer to you, God:

If you want a messiah, then MAKE a messiah.

You do not take a man that does not want to be a messiah and try to make him be the Messiah by running him through over and over again until you somehow prove something that he already knew at the beginning:

That he was alone, save for You. That he was fine alone, save for You.

It was only when YOU opened the door to something else, of finding happiness through you and outside of myself AS WELL as in myself, that I started to struggle.

I only became discontent when YOU gave me wisdom, (which I am eternally thankful for and I would NEVER stop doing the Good work, or having Faith in you, or speaking to you), and then instead of using it to help people, targeted it towards a slew of women instead.

Seriously, what the fuck?

Life isn't women. (by itself)

It doesn't even have to include romance.

Sure, I'd like it, but that's a LIKE I don't need it.

And you knew this.

So, why are you making me suffer through something I already knew?

My choice?

Messiah or never be a messiah?

I choose everyone is their own messiah.

I'm done carrying that weight for them.

I'm done shouldering that responsibility.

And it's not because it has gotten me to the lowest of the low, the most suffering of the suffering, but because of one simple fact:

When the world gets a Messiah, they do nothing but put them on a pedestal, parade them around, or abuse them.

Nothing else. Literally nothing else.

I can't even be myself because of this. Do you understand that, Lord? I CAN'T EVEN BE MYSELF AROUND OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THIS.

The world wants to be saved, Lord, but they don't want to walk the path. They don't want to see. They don't want to hear. They don't want to speak.

They either want to rule or be ruled.

And none of them are fit to rule, so…

I guess it means be ruled.

>>3137056

His sacrifice was sufficient to save everyone.

Not everyone was saved.

So his sacrifice was not effective in saving everyone.

Because he is Love, and not Rape, and will not force people to believe the truth. If you want to live in darkness, and that forever, you can do so. And apparently are.

Again, Jesus said that people in hell are eternally punished. If it matters not to you what Jesus says, why are you providing your opinion about things in the bible?

>>3199075

Job figured out on his own, without any scriptures whatsoever, that mankind needed a mediator. Here you are given the mediator's name, and function, and you still can't figure it out.

The light entered into the world, but you love the darkness.

The devil said to Eve "eat the fruit; know good and evil; and thus be like God".