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The articles I’m putting of giants found in Northern America are a sample, there are of course others online which the reader should check. But sorry, I’m unable to verify the authenticity of the excavations, finds, and mostly the pictures. The first article I’ve picked among others from the net is about giant skeletons found in Wisconsin because the chances are high these are somehow linked to the Mississippian culture and all of that we saw and talked about it back in those pages. So let’s check this article: https://www.cultofweird.com/death/giant-skeletons-in-wisconsin/

“Giant Skeletons of Mound Builders in Wisconsin

November 16, 2014/in From the Grave/by Charlie Hintz

In recent years, research by Jim Vieira and others into historical claims of giant human skeletons has reinvigorated the interest (and controversy) in a topic that is widely discounted as pseudoscience.

My interest in the subject began where it has for many – with the mention of giants in the ancient texts commonly referred to as the book of Genesis. It is easy to disregard these antediluvian tales of an extraordinary race of giants produced through the coupling of celestial beings with human females. When these stories were first told, humanity was still huddling in dark caves and making offerings to the various gods and spirits who governed their fates.”

>> I don’t support what is written in this paragraph. The Book of Genesis is a book written according to how (((they))) view history. There is no mention of the Cataclysm which was unleashed on the world and destroyed almost every living form because of the greed and twisted mind of an evil ruling couple. So you shouldn’t EVER forget that the Book of Genesis is manipulated, twisted and well styled version = not just any version of history; it’s about (((their))) version of history = how (((they))) see things.

“However, stories of giants are not exclusive to archaic origin stories fabricated by ancient cultures to make sense of a world without scientific understanding.”

>> The ancient cultures didn’t fabricate anything. They were closer to the truth than we are right now.

“It seems that around the turn of the century, human skeletons measuring unnatural heights were being unearthed all over America, often from the burial mounds of an unknown people we call Effigy Mound Builders.

If the media of the time is to be believed, Wisconsin has yielded several unique and significant clues to the giant skeleton mystery. This may be due to the numerous animal effigy mounds all across the state, as well as a large population of Middle Mississippian mound builders who flourished in the area for four hundred years before they vanished.”

>> The link between the giant skeletons and the Mississippian culture (along with the sites) is very obvious.

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“The remnants of a city built around a large central mound was discovered near Madison in 1835. The city, known as Aztalan, is believed to have flourished from 900-1300, possibly serving as a northern outpost for the much larger city of Cahokia in present-day Illinois.

Most of the Aztalan mounds were destroyed in the late 1800s, whatever relics to be found taken by treasure hunters. One disturbed mound was found to contain the remains of a young female now called the Princess of Aztalan. She was found to have a slight deformation in her spinal column, which may have caused her to be more highly regarded. She was wrapped in belts of seashells, some coming from as far away as the Gulf of Mexico.”

>> This is how far the trade with the Mississippian culture went.

“Though she was of average height, the princess is one of only a few burials discovered in the area, which include a headless male and five cremated remains. There are rumors of a giant skeleton unearthed in the area, but I haven’t found any reports to corroborate it.

Maple Creek Giant

A New York Times article published December 20, 1897 reported the discovery of a giant human skeleton in the largest of three recently discovered mounds in Maple Creek, WI. The article states the skeleton measure over nine feet from head to foot and the skull was “as large as a half bushel measure.” Tempered copper rods and other relics were found with the bones.

The two remaining mounds were going to be “excavated soon.” What was found in them, and where is the giant now?”

>> Good questions.

“18 Skeletons Found Near Lake Delavan

The May 4th, 1912 edition of the New York Times reported what might be one of the strangest giant skeleton discoveries of all. An excavation of one large mound on Lake Fawn Farm near Lake Delavan revealed the skeletal remains of eighteen individuals measuring between 7.6 and 10 feet. The “heretofore unknown race of men” were found to have six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot, as well as double rows of teeth in their large, elongated skulls.”

>> These are rather interesting details: So the height varied from 7.6 to 10 feet high. They had 6 fingers and 6 toes. They had elongated skulls. And each had a double row of teeth. Take note of these details, we are going to need them for later on.I wish there were at least some pictures around of what is said here about the skeletons, so we can have a visual.

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“From directly over the eye sockets,” the article states, “the head slopes straight back and the nasal bones protrude far above the cheek bones. The jaw bones are long and pointed, bearing a minute resemblance to the head of the monkey. The teeth in the front of the jaw are regular molars.”

It goes on to say that other remains, presumably of women, were found with smaller heads but similar characteristics. The remains were found embedded in charcoal and covered with layers of baked clay to shed water from the sepulchre.”

>> First thing to note is the “care” given to burry these remains properly and no damage from “nature” occurs to them. Secondly, if the skeletons found next to the biggest one are smaller in size and have smaller heads, it doesn’t necessarily mean they are those of women; unless a study was made on the pelvic bones and also some DNA tests were made….then if the results came out they are women, I will accept it. But assuming these skeletons are of women solely because of their “smaller” size compared to the big one, is not the correct way to proceed. It sounds like that big skeleton is totally different from the others.

“Lizard Mound Skeleton in West Bend

While researching his book Washington County Paranormal, author J. Nathan Couch uncovered an account of a giant skeleton discoverd right here in our backyard.

I was fascinated by Lizard Mound County Park, just outside of West Bend, WI, ever since my first visit when I was very young. At the time, an installation constructed by the Milwaukee Public Museum provided a window into one mound, showing the bones and artifacts as they were originally buried.

Though those bones were of normal size, larger bones were accidentally unearthed by farmers in another nearby mound. Read the account of that find: Giant Skeleton Unearthed by Wisconsin Farmers in 1912

Giant Indian Bones Found Near Fond Du Lac

This snippet of a newspaper so far is the only thing I have found on the topic of a giant skeleton being found near Fond du Lac, Wisconsin.”

>> Well, this article isn’t that great, but it does gives us a good idea of the location of many sites were several skeletons of giants were found buried in mounds there; as well as few interesting details about the skeletons.

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Finds made “accidently” are always the best in archaeology, and we have one in Wisconsin, mentioned in the previous articles about some farmers finding the skeleton of a giant in 1912. So let’s take a closer look to this: https://www.cultofweird.com/death/giant-skeleton-wisconsin-effigy-mound/

“Giant Skeleton Unearthed By Wisconsin Farmers in 1912

November 16, 2014/in From the Grave/by J Nathan Couch

The following is an excerpt from J. Nathan Couch’s book Washington County Paranormal, which details the local history and legends of West Bend, WI and surrounding areas. While researching Lizard Mound County Park, he uncovered a report of a giant human skeleton found in one of the burial mounds.

Lizard Mound County Park is a cluster of mounds, many of them burial mounds, located in Hagner’s Woods. They range in shape from simple linear and conical mounds to effigies of birds, panthers—now thought to be depictions of water spirits—and one particularly unique “lizard,” though experts now largely agree it’s actually a turtle.”

>> I’m not sure, but it’s possible the mounds were shaped after the Sebetti clan’s heraldic animals. Birds, felines and lizards are all Sebetti clans heraldic symbols.

“The people who built these mounds are as mysterious as the mounds themselves. Commonly referred to as the “Effigy Mound Builders,” they lived in Wisconsin and neighboring states between 700 CE and 1200 CE.”

>> I don’t think we should trust those dates. All the dates worldwide, provided by the Main Stream History, should be re-examined and re-evaluated.

“Today, the debate over the identity of these mound builders focuses on determining which of the modern-day Native American tribes’ ancestors constructed these beautiful earthen works. However, there was a time when some doubted that the mounds were built by Native Americans at all. Since the natives who lived in the area of the mounds were no longer building them when Europeans first arrived in Wisconsin, it was assumed that some lost culture, or “race,” had to have been responsible. Naturally, this “lost race” must have been eradicated by the current native population. I can’t help but notice this theory of an established culture being displaced by a newer, more aggressive culture mirrored exactly what was happening as Europeans conquered North America.”

>> Yes, an ancient culture did build these mounds, but it was NOT ERADICATED, but more likely the descendants forgot their ancestors and at some point in time, they might have been ruled over by the Evil Clan long, long after the initial survivors and their direct descendants passed away = thousands of years later. With each new generation, the ancient history, genealogy and knowledge was lost, forgotten or misunderstood. This is why I use the word mutation and not evolution when I talk about this matter. It didn’t evolve, it twisted and morphed from the original and took the form of whatever the younger generation thought it was, regardless if it was correct or wrong.

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So I decided to look around a bit more about giant skeletons, but in a different state. I found this article about giant skeletons in West Virginia: https://www.legendsofamerica.com/giants-west-virginia/

“In many of the ancient burial mounds of West Virginia, several “giants” were found in years past. Other large skeletons were found in the early days of coal mining, and more were found as people were excavating the ground for other purposes.

One of the first reports of a giant occurred in 1774 when Jack Parsons was walking along the recently flooded Cheat River. When he noticed some bones protruding from the ground, he pulled a femur from the soil, and when he compared it to his own, it was seven inches longer. He then removed the rest of the bones and laid them out, estimating that it would have stood about eight feet tall. Other settlers also found gigantic skeletons in the area, which was soon dubbed “Giant Town.”

In 1838, when amateurs excavated the Grave Creek Mound in present-day Moundsville, West Virginia., they were said to have found giant human skeletons inside that were as long as eight feet.

In the 1850s, a root cellar was being dug in Palatine (East Fairmont), West Virginia. Here, workers uncovered two very large human skeletons, said to have been more than seven feet tall. Several people saw the skeletons, but that night, the bones were stolen, assumed to be sold on in the lucrative market of “Indian relics,” which existed at the time.

In 1857, the Western Literary Messenger reported that the skeleton of a giant had been found, stating:

“A day or two since, some workman engaged in subsoiling the grounds of Sheriff Wickham, at his vineyard in East Wheeling, came across a human skeleton. Although much decayed, there was little difficulty in identifying it by placing the bones, which could not have had belonged to other than a human body, in their original position. The impression made from the skeleton itself was measured by the Sheriff and a brother in the craft locale, both of whom were prepared to swear that it was 10 feet, 9 inches in length. Its jaws and teeth were almost as large as those of a horse. The bones are to be seen at the Sheriff’s office.”

In 1875, when workers were constructing a bridge near Paw Paw Creek’s mouth at Rivesville, they uncovered three giant skeletons with strands of reddish hair clinging to their skulls. A local doctor was called to examine the remains, who determined that they were human and estimated that the skeletons were approximately eight feet tall. Afterward, with exposure to the air, the bones deteriorated rapidly.”

>> A HUGE notable is the strand of reddish hair.

“In 1882, amateur archaeologists F.M. Fetty and his wife were exploring an unusual rock formation along White Day Creek in Marion County when they found what appeared to be a shelter. On closer examination, they discovered that a false wall had been erected, and after removing several large stones, they found a huge ancient mummy sitting in a chair. The giant was surrounded by stone and flint artifacts.

In the summer of 1883, James A. Faulkner unearthed a gigantic human skeleton in the same area. Dr. Samuel Kramer of Smithtown was called in and measured this skeleton, which was found to be 7 feet 4 inches long, and deduced that it belonged to a person who was almost eight feet tall.

That same year, the Smithsonian Institution dispatched a team of archaeologists to the Criel Mound in South Charleston. Led by Colonel Lewis Morris, the team conducted extensive digs of some 50 mounds in the area and issued a detailed report.”

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>> I know there are a lot of researchers out there interested in this specific digging tunnel = the giants. When it comes to this specific article, it would have been good if we could get our hands on the initial raw data from the digging excavations along with the pictures, maps, notes etc. that goes with it. Things like the orientation of the burial, etc. would have provided us with clues as to the astrological knowledge of these buried giants and in the same time, it might have provided us some hints to their beliefs.

There is a remarkable number of them in Both Wisconsin and West Virginia. What I like about such articles is that they help/provide a good short list for greenhorns researching about giants in the Northern America. This could be a good starting point for new researchers and they can expand from there.

I would advise researcher to do here, about this digging subject, what I suggested to do about the megalithic Phoenician sites. Grab a map of the county first, start to put pins on it where mounds were excavated and skeletons of giants were found. When you do that, check out if there is some type of correlation with constellations or other astral matters. When you finish that, zoom out and put pins on the level of the state map; like in our case with this article, it’s in West Virginia. Again, once finished, try to see if there is some type of connections with astronomy.

Then you gotta zoom out once more and pin the sites of several states and see if there is something which links them together. In this specific case we can see on the map that I’ve attached with this page that the Ohio River is a branch of the Mississippi River; this is what connects all the Giant skeletons sites together = it’s the Mississippian culture and just look how it’s expanded along with the same locations as the Mississippi River. I’m saying it again = the Mississippi River (along with its branches) is what connects all the giant skeletons we’ve seen so far. If I follow the “river logic” then, it means that in every single state which this river flows in (including the branches) there is a big possibility to uncover new skeletons of giants.

It’s clear even to a blind man that the mounds, the copper work, the mysterious “lost” culture and the giant skeletons are all connected to the Mississippi River and they ALL belong to the same group. Usually, when this sort of work is done/finished on a local level, then you should regroup the data from all the States. This type of research shouldn’t stop on the borders/limits of each state we found skeletons of giants in. It should cross these borders because of the River. The true territory of study should be at the river territory level and not be stuck on each state territory level. When this stage is done, then we should pin on a map the sites on a national level, always checking for any astral correlation with each step we are progressing and finally check things out with Canada and Mexico. There are many stages to this mapping as anons can see. Some levels may bare fruits, while others won’t. It’s a long type of work and you gotta be meticulous and accurate to get good result. This type of mapping requires a lot of patience and is time consuming because you gotta verify every single data before pinning it on a map, to make sure it’s authentic.

I’m going to stop it here for this article.

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Let’s read more articles about the skeleton of giants in Northern America:

https://www.gaia.com/article/giant-skeletons-have-been-found-buried-in-mounds-across-america

“Giant Human Skeletons Found Buried in Mounds Across North America

December 7, 2020

Around the turn of the 19th century, there were hundreds of reports from reputable sources of giant skeletons unearthed from ancient burial mounds across America. Human giants are not entirely a product of legend in our history.

André the Giant is a known example of a man with superhuman proportions and strength, reaching 7 feet 4 inches tall. But André’s size was the result of gigantism and acromegaly, disorders caused by an overactive pituitary gland, which releases too much growth hormone. And with the average human height at 5 feet 6 inches for men and 5 feet 2 inches for women, it’s rare to find someone of André’s height, let alone his stature.”

>> Say anons! Just a thought here: Do you really think it was due to the growth hormone that André became a “giant”? Or was it that he had recessive genes from an ancient giant? = as in he is a descendant from the giants.

“With the extreme rarity of gigantism, affecting roughly three in a million, it’s surprising how often giants are spoken of in the Bible and North American folklore. David and Goliath, Jack and the Beanstalk, and Paul Bunyon are familiar examples of tales involving giants. But while these are thought to be myths or legends, is there any possibility that a race of giants once existed or were there humanoid ancestors significantly larger than us?”

>>The big notable here is that the number of people born with “giant genes” is extremely rare; as in around 3 in a million person. What does that tell you?

“The Mound Builders: Unusual Burial Sites

Across the United States, there are burial mounds, or at least their remnants, some as extensive in size as the Great Pyramid of Giza. The Cahokia and Monk’s mounds in Illinois and Missouri are two thought to have been built before the arrival of Columbus. The Cahokia mound is 100 feet tall with a 14-acre base, almost an entire acre larger than the pyramid at Giza. Monk’s Mound is just as tall with a 1,000-foot-wide base. But what makes these and other mounds of their kind even more intriguing is what has been found buried inside of them.”

>> This is the type of information researchers should look for. It’s very helpful when studying giants. I would like to remind anons of a comment I made when taking a look at the Andean region, when I mentioned the depth of the steps is an indicator of the existence of giants and not just the size of the doors. When you are a giant, you have big feet; having big feet, you need large steps to fit your feet. It’s this type of “invisible” and “silent” information that a researcher should look for and add to the study of giants because they will be helpful.

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“In the Ohio River Valley, a report from a local paper, that was backed up by Scientific American, found bodies of several giants buried under a ten-foot-tall mound. One female skeleton was found holding a three-and-a-half-foot long child. Another of the giant skeletons was buried in a clay coffin and an engraved stone tablet was also recovered. This particular mound was 64 feet long by 35 feet wide.”

>> This is very interesting.

“The Chichasawba mound in Arkansas is another instance of the uncovering of a giant skeleton under similar circumstances. The 12-square-mile mound had its name taken from the chief of the Shawnee tribe who was essentially known to be a giant with incredible strength. Chief Chicasawba lived in that area of Arkansas and when the mound was uncovered, the skeleton of a massive human being was found. Subsequently, other skeletons up to ten feet tall were unearthed in the same area, all with similar burial artifacts found with them. Some reports claimed the length of the skeleton’s legs to be five feet alone. Other reports show large craniums of skeletons with double rows of teeth.”

>> Each time I hear Arkansas, I’m reminded of rapist Bill and Killary. Do you think they picked that state on purpose?

“A Controlled Narrative

While stories of this nature sound fantastical, there are numerous reports of skeletons of the same size appearing in newspaper articles from The New York Times and other reputable sources. The majority of these reports occur during the mid to late 19th century, which Vieira sees as being the turning point in a censored narrative that has now dominated our history textbooks. He says he thinks that awareness of both the mounds and giants was common knowledge during this primarily agrarian time. There is even supposed reference to it from Abraham Lincoln. In a written account of a speech that he was preparing to give at Niagara Falls, he wrote,

“The eyes of that species of extinct giants, whose bones fill the mounds of America, have gazed on Niagara, as ours do now.”

>> Whom controls the narrative? Anyone surprised to see the DATE? = Gilded Age. What did Qteam say about History books? We already know (((they))) tried to re-write History many times; which allows (((them))) to shift the human consciousness to where (((they))) want it to be. Also, I don’t know about you dear reader, but I had a huge smile, from ear to ear, on my face, when I read what Lincoln said about Niagara Falls and the giants. Do you remember what we found out about Niagara Falls? Whom used to live in the caves behind the falls? The pieces of the puzzle are nicely coming together, aren’t they?

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One last article; this one is like an overall view: https://www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/giants-north-america-005196

“UPDATED 12 FEBRUARY, 2022 - HUGH NEWMAN

Top Ten Giant Discoveries in North America

The Iroquois, the Osage, the Tuscaroras, the Hurons, the Omahas, and many other North American Indians all speak of giant men who once lived and roamed in the territories of their forefathers. All over what is now the U.S. are traditions of these ancient giants.

Over 1000 accounts of seven-foot and taller skeletons have reportedly been unearthed from ancient burial sites over a two-hundred-year period in North America. Newspaper accounts, town and county histories, letters, scientific journals, diaries, photos, and Smithsonian ethnology reports have carefully documented this. These skeletons have been reported from coast to coast with strange anatomic anomalies such as double rows of teeth, jawbones so large as to fit over the face of the finder, and elongated skulls, documented in virtually every state.”

>> Why are there anatomic anomalies?

“Smithsonian scientists identified at least 17 skeletons that stood at over seven feet in their annual reports, including one example that was 8 feet tall, and a skull with a 36-inch circumference reported from Anna, Illinois in the Smithsonian Annual Report of 1873, (an average human skull is about 20 inches in circumference). The Smithsonian Institution is mentioned dozens more times as the recipient of enormous skeletons from across the entire United States.

The skeletons mentioned no longer seem to exist regardless of their actual size, and the remaining ones that were on display were removed and repatriated by NAGPRA (Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act). While the authors certainly support this law, it does present a moral and ethical conundrum in terms of trying to ascertain the proof everyone wants to see - physical evidence of giants.

In this unique Top Ten, we look at some examples of giant skeletons that were reported from across ancient North America (although we warn you now that Number 1 is so large, we admit it may not be authentic).

Our countdown begins at one of the most important mound sites in America, and quite possibly the world.

TOP TEN GIANTS

10. Serpent Mound, Ohio, 1890s – 7 ft tall skeleton

The Great Serpent Mound is a 1,370 ft. long prehistoric effigy mound located near Peebles that has been thoroughly researched by Ross Hamilton, who has written extensively about its mysteries and the giants discovered in the area. Recent radiocarbon analysis dates it to around 321 BC. This puts it in the realm of the Andean civilization who were present in the area at this time.”

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>> Wow! Stop here for a sec. Did the reader notice the last sentence written here? = “This puts it in the realm of the Andean civilization who were present in the area at this time”. Do you remember what I said: that it seems like Viracocha traveled all the way from the Andean Region to Mexico and seems to even have reached the States? I don’t know what this article is relying on = which artifacts this article is relying on to make this statement but it’s clearly supporting what I said about Viracocha reaching the States in his travels. As for the date, well anons, all the dates worldwide should be re-examined and re-evaluated, this one is no exception.

“In the 1890s, Professor Frederic Ward Putnam excavated some of the mounds next to Serpent Mound and found only 6ft tall skeletons, but a postcard showing one 7 feet in height was recently rediscovered by researcher Jeffrey Wilson. It may have been one of those excavated by Putnam, as he was the only person to dig at the site.

Ross first published this in his book A Tradition of Giants , and it clearly states it was from Serpent Mound on the postcard, but there is still debate as to where this photo of a 7ft skeleton was actually taken. Notice that the legs are cut off at the knees, so is “7ft” what we actually see, or is it an estimation if he had his lower legs and feet attached? Could it have been more like 8 feet tall if the shins and feet were intact?

9. Cresap Mound, West Virginia, 1959 – 7ft 2in skeleton

In 1959, Dr. Donald Dragoo, the curator for the Section of Man at the Carnegie Museum, unearthed a 7 feet 2 inch skeleton during the complete excavation of the Cresap Mound in Northern West Virginia:

Dragoo published a photo of the actual skeleton in his book so there is no doubt it was authentic. Dragoo joins many other university-trained anthropologists and archaeologists who reported discovering skeletons over seven feet in length in burial mounds, often with anatomical anomalies.”

>> Why these anatomic anomalies exist? Anyone reading thought of the reason?

“A few of the professionals reporting these skeletal finds were Dr. Walter B. Jones, Moundsville Alabama (7ft 6 and many 7-footers); Dr. Forrest Clements Head of Anthropology at the University of Oklahoma (six 7ft skeletons); Dr. Donald A. Cadzow Cambridge University (7ft 5in skeleton found in Pittsburgh with many other large skeletons with anatomic anomalies reported); Dr. Byron Cummings, head of the archaeology department at the University of Arizona, considered the “ Dean of Southwestern Archaeology" (several over 8-footers); Thomas Wilson, Curator of Prehistoric Anthropology at the Smithsonian (verified an 8-foot skeleton with massive jawbone); W. J. Holland, curator of the Carnegie Museum (unearthed an over 8 ft skeleton in Pennsylvania as reported in many scientific journals including Scientific American ).”

>> We got ourselves a nice list here. Don’t forget to verify each and every single one of these people if you are digging in this tunnel.

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“8. Mounds in Iowa, 1897 – 7ft 6in skeleton

This account from The Worthington Advance (November 18, 1897) describes the ethnological work of the Smithsonian Institution’s Division of Eastern Mounds and quoted the Director of the Bureau of Ethnology at the time, John Wesley Powell. The image below accompanied the news report.”

>> The image mentioned here is the first one attached with this page.

“It is a matter of official record that in digging through a mound in Iowa the scientists found the skeleton of a giant, who, judging from actual measurement, must have stood seven feet six inches tall when alive. The bones crumbled to dust when exposed to the air.”

>> The bones are fragile sometimes, but they do not crumble magically into dust like that. I believe this is an excuse in order to take the bones secretly to study them = as in, this is the official narrative for the gullible public. When dug up, and depending on the case, some bones are truly very fragile to a point that they break into small pieces, but we can always recuperate these small parts and send them to DNA analysis lab.

The bones break when we touch them physically while removing them, not when they get in contact with air.The excuse given about the bones crumbling make look like it’s a scene from the Avengers movie – Infiniti war, where you see some of the super heroes disintegrate into dust. This doesn’t happen in reality, we always have tiny fragments despite how bad the condition of the bones is.I really think this is a made up excuse, like a cover up narrative to fool the public.

“7. Steelville, Missouri, 1933 – 8ft skeleton

As part of the Search for the Lost Giants show, Jim and fellow researcher James Clary investigated the following account that had this heading:

“An Ancient Ozark Giant Dug Up Near Steelville: Strange discovery made by a boy looking for arrowheads, gives this Missouri Town an absorbing mystery to ponder.”

From The Steelville Ledger (June 11, 1933):

“…he turned up the complete skeleton of an 8 foot giant. The grisly find was brought to Dr. R. C. Parker here and stretched out to its enormous length in a hallway of his office where it has since remained the most startling exhibit Steelville has ever had on public view.”

While reading through the microfilm at the Steelville library three reports of the find where uncovered including the photo that shows Les Eaton, a 6-foot man, laid out next to the 8-foot skeleton in Dr. Parkers office.

The Steelville Ledger reported that the skeleton was packed up and shipped to the Smithsonian, never to be heard of again.”

>> Of course no one is going to ever hear about this skeleton or any other again if it’s shipped to the Smithsonian.

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“6. Miamisburg, Montgomery County, Ohio – 8ft 1.5 inch skeleton

Miamisburg Mound is believed to have been built by the Adena Culture anywhere between 1000 to 200 BC. It is the largest conical burial mound in Ohio, once nearly 70 feet tall (the height of a seven-story building) and 877 feet in circumference. Hugh investigated this site in September 2012 and after talking to some researchers at the local historical society, he found there were other skeletal remains reported in the nearby area.

Numerous skeletal remains were uncovered from the mound, including a giant jawbone and “ bones of unusual size ,” but it was the discovery half-a-mile away that became a national sensation and was reported in The Middletown Signal, January 17, 1899 with the headline: “ Bones of Prehistoric Giant Found Near Miamisburg ”:

“The skeleton of a giant found near Miamisburg is the cause of much discussion not only among the curious and illiterate but among the learned scientists of the world. The body of a man more gigantic than any ever recorded in human history, has been found in the Miami Valley, in Ohio. The skeleton it is calculated must have belonged to a man 8 feet 1.5 inches in height. ”

Professor Thomas Wilson, curator of prehistoric anthropology at the Smithsonian Institution, said the following after examining the find: "The authenticity of the skull is beyond any doubt. Its antiquity unquestionably great, to my own personal knowledge several such crania were discovered in the Hopewell group of mounds in Ohio. The jaws were prognathus (projecting beyond the face) and the facial index remarkably low.”

5. The San Diego Giant, 1895 – 8ft 4 inch mummy

This fascinating discovery reports on a giant mummy found in San Diego (that is currently believed to be a hoax). However, let’s take a closer look, as there is some intrigue and inconsistency with this popular story. This first report appeared in 1895 with the sub-headings “ Nine Feet High and Probably a California Indian. Measurement Well Authenticated. Other Big Men and Women of Fact and Fable Who Are Famous Types if Gigantism. ” When accurately measured it turned out to be 8ft 4 inches and was “ carefully inspected and measured by Prof. Thomas Wilson, Curator of the Department of Prehistoric Anthropology in the Smithsonian Institution, and by other scientists.”

Thirteen years later—in 1908—when the mummy was being exhibited, the Smithsonian ran some tests and suddenly dismissed it as a hoax, saying it was made from “gelatin.” The fact that it took that long, and after spending $500 to acquire it, plus the fact that it was “ carefully inspected ” by experts thirteen years earlier does suggest there may be more to this story than meets the eye.”

>> The narrative this giant is a hoax after some tests were done is the cover up.

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“Interestingly, Aleš Hrdlička, joined the Smithsonian in 1903, right in between the discovery and the final debunking. He was not interested in giants and made a concerted effort to eradicate them from the historical record. It is also interesting to note that the Director of Prehistoric Anthropology, Thomas Wilson, and the ethnologist in charge, W. J. McGee, were both involved in this story, and were obviously keen to make sure the Smithsonian got it back to their headquarters at an immense cost ($500 in 1895 equates to $14,285 today). But why would they bother doing that if it was simply a sideshow hoax?”

>> Good question. The answer is obvious.

“The strange twists, and Smithsonian involvement, and the immense amount of money spent on this makes this worthy of inclusion in this Top Ten.

A similar mummified giant also turned up at Spiro Mounds, Oklahoma. It measured 8ft 5 inches and was on display for a few months, where it was seen by several people before it disappeared.

4. Catalina Island, California – 9 ft 2 inch skeleton (and other 7ft – 8ft examples)

The Channel Islands off the coast of California have turned up numerous oversized skeletons. The story is intriguing and controversial, and it stars amateur archaeologist Ralph Glidden and his bizarre museum, but before the main act, a German naturalist got the story going in 1913. Dr. A. W. Furstenan reported unearthing an 8 ft tall skeleton with artifacts such as mortar, pestles, and arrowheads on Catalina. He was told of a legend while in Mexico of a giant and noble race that lived on the Island, who existed long before the white man and had since vanished.

Amateur archaeologist Ralph Glidden unearthed and collected a total of 3,781 skeletons on the Channel Islands between 1919 and 1930. Working for the Heye Foundation of New York he unearthed a 9ft 2 in skeleton and several measuring over 7 feet:

“A skeleton of a young girl, evidently of high rank, within a large funeral urn, was surrounded by those of sixty-four children, and in various parts of the island more than three thousand other skeletons were found, practically all the males averaging around seven feet in height, one being seven feet eight inches from the top of his head to the ankle, and another being 9 feet 2 inches tall.”

>> This is a very interesting find. Anyone wonder why so many children died and then were buried around the skeleton of a “high ranking” young girl? Are these her children? Maybe, maybe not, since she is a young girl, then they might be her children. If they are not her children, were they her siblings? It’s possible and it should be verified via DNA tests. If these are not her siblings, then why were they buried all around her this way and why is there such a high number of dead children? Is it the McLeod Syndrome striking again? It’s possible, but we gotta verify if it is or not via DNA tests so we could shed some light into this mystery; maybe answer some questions while others will remain unanswered.

“As part of Search for the Lost Giants , Jim and Bill Vieira visited Catalina to investigate the contents of the box, and indeed there were photos of hundreds of skeletons and skulls, excavations, artifacts, and burials. They also uncovered an account of a 28-inch femur unearthed by Glidden on San Nicolas Island reported by the judge of Avalon, Earnest Windle. This would make the skeleton over 8 feet tall.”

>> The area facing Los Angeles all the way till San Diego is very interesting.

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>>16716943

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“3. Beaver Lake, Ozark Caves, Arkansas, 1913 – Nearly 10 ft skeleton and huge skulls

This account from an Ozark cave in Arkansas is found in The New Age Magazine (Volume 18, 1913) given by the highly regarded reporter Victor Schoffelmeyer.

During the filming of Search for the Lost Giants , the site of the cave was investigated. It had been flooded with the damming and creation of Beaver Lake between 1960-1966. Bill Vieira and professional scuba diver Mike Young dived into the lake and found a huge shelter cave believed to be the site of the skeletal finds. While a 70ft stone wall was found at the entrance of the cave, showing likely human habitation, no more clues were forthcoming. Text from the original article reads as follows:

“While the historical features of the Ozarks held our attention, by far the most fascinating discovery was one made by an aged recluse and naturalist who for ten years had lived in a shelter cave near where we camped. “Dad” Riggins spent much of his time digging in the ashes which form the floor of many of these caves. At a depth of more than three feet he found the remains of several giant human skeletons, including an almost perfect skull which differed in many particulars from a modern specimen. When partly joined the largest skeleton was almost ten feet tall. “Dad” Riggins showed us hieroglyphics covering the Palisades thought to be thousands of years old.”

>> How convenient it was to “create” that Lake and submerge the cave where the skeletons of the giants were found. It’s always the interesting sites that are “destroyed” in some way or form, aren’t they? And what of these glyphs seen in that cave? What language is it? Could it be Atlantean language? It would be great if we had a picture, at least, of these glyphs. But if these are Atlantean glyphs; I repeat: IF these are Atlantean glyphs, then this would be considered among the highest classification secret out there. And we the public would be the last to know about it ^_^

“2. Lompock Rancho, California, 1819 – 12 ft skeleton

Hugh investigated this famous report back in November 2008, by visiting the area of the ranch it was discovered on.

“In 1819 an old lady saw a gigantic skeleton dug up by soldiers at Purisima on the Lompock Rancho. The natives deemed it a god, and it was reburied by direction of the padre.”

This short report re-emerged with a broader range of details in 1833 and now various authors and websites repeat the same story. It goes something like this: Soldiers digging a pit for a powder magazine at Lompock Rancho, California hacked their way through a layer of cemented gravel and found a 12ft sarcophagus. The skeleton of a giant man about twelve feet tall was found inside. The grave was surrounded by carved shells, huge stone axes, two spears and thin sheets of porphyry (purple mineral with quartz) covering the skeleton. These were covered with unintelligible symbols. He had a double row of teeth, both upper and lower. The soldiers consulted a local tribe of Indians, who after going into trance, exclaimed they were geographically displaced Allegewi Indians from the Ohio Valley area. When the natives began to attach some religious significance to the find, authorities ordered the skeleton and all the artifacts secretly reburied.”

>> This is very interesting. There is no mention where these skeletons were reburied, nor what those glyphs were. What are the odds (((they))) got (((their))) nasty little hands on these finds and took them to a secret place to study them in the shadows while the public was kept on the dark about it all?

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>>16716949

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“No further information is available so it is impossible to verify this information, but numerous other skeletons of this height have been reported in such newspapers at The New York Times . Two further 12ft examples were reported in Jeffersonville, Kentucky ( The New York Times , May 22, 1871) and Barnard, Missouri ( The Providence Evening Press , September 13, 1883). Furthermore, a 13ft example was said to have been unearthed in Janesville, Wisconsin ( The Public Ledger , August 25, 1870) and even bones that were estimated to be from a skeleton 14ft tall at Etowah Mounds ( The New York Times , April 5, 1886). These are all well out of the normal range for humans but are worth noting here as these immense sizes pop up again and again in well-respected newspapers.”

>> Interesting list we’ve got here. So let me get this straight, if I go to take a look at the archives of old newspapers, will I find loads of reports about the finding of giant skeletons? If so, then why current day public is not aware of this? And why is this being pushed forward a hoax each time a new skeleton of a giant is found? The answers are easy to guess.

“1. West Hickory, Pennsylvania, 1870 - 18ft skeleton

The headline of this chart-topper reads: “ The Cardiff Giant Outdone: Alleged Discovery of a Giant in The Oil Regions .” This report originally came from the Oil City Times in 1870 and underneath the immense armor, it revealed some startling anatomic oddities, and a skeleton that reached a staggering height (the tallest example we have come across):

“They exhumed an enormous helmet of iron, which was corroded with rust. Further digging brought to light a sword which measured nine feet in length.”

>> Obviously this is a warrior.

“The report continued that they had discovered:

“…a well-preserved skeleton of an enormous giant…The bones of the skeleton are remarkably white. The teeth are all in their places, and all of them are double, and of extraordinary size.”

It was estimated to be 18 feet tall, and the bones were being prepared to be sent to New York. Clearly, however, this could be an exaggeration, as 18ft is unheard of in the historical record, but the matter-of-fact description is intriguing. Interestingly the discovery was reported to be buried 12 feet below a mound, so it could suggest a deep antiquity, however tall he was.

We hope this tiny selection of accounts leaves one realizing there may be some truth to these reports (although numbers 9 and 10 cannot be verified, and they are well beyond the established scope of human height). We do not believe they are all authentic, but what you have read here constitutes only 1% of what we have in our archive. We include 250 of these accounts in our book Giants On Record: America's Hidden History, Secrets in the Mounds and the Smithsonian Files.”

>> What is said here makes sense. We gotta verify each and every single one of these skeletons to know if they are authentic or not. The problem is that we don’t have access to them. But I’m sure (((they))) already conducted in secret all the verification and all the studies on these skeletons, since (((they))) had so much time on (((their))) hands. If the original skeletons were destroyed, then we’ve got the paperwork left behind. I’m sure there are records, mostly about what the Smithsonian found out about them all.

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>>16716980

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I’m sure there are many more articles of skeletons of giants; both fake skeletons and real ones. I won’t be surprised to find a few fake ones (((they))) inserted in the mix; you know, like planting evidence, so that (((their))) experts can push these fake evidences forward as proof this is all a hoax, a fantasy. Yup! (((They))) did it before, and it’s done to muddy the water and push away from the truth. Of course we need to check things out properly.

When it comes to giants skeletons in the States (mostly), in Northern American in general; they are all over the place and there is a large and impressive number of them there. As anons have noticed, they come from different sizes too. So how can this be explained?

A lot of readers of this thread, whom are now familiar with the Sebetti rulers and warriors, might think these giants are them; and you are partially right. Partially, but not totally because that is just one section of this issue. The other section is connected to the elongated skulls and strangely shaped skeletons – which a lot of people think are those of humans with alien genes – which we’ve taken a quick look at from the Andean region. Right in the middle of all of this is Mesoamerica and how the nobility there, used to artificially pressure the skulls of infants to give them the elongated shape.

The truth is, all of these are linked together since the starting point of the journey of Viracocha was in the Andean Region, I managed to find his journey path all the way to Mesoamerica and there are also hints he made it all the way to Northern American where the Native American tribes/nations mention him in their myths and legends. The reader must ask themselves why didn’t we find a big number of giant skeletons in the Andean region and in Mesoamerica. Maybe (((they))) found the skeletons and it was all kept hidden from the public, this possibility exists. But the other possibility is the journey itself. The “giants” as in the Sebetti warriors with Viracocha, didn’t stay in one place, but traveled along with him; at least most of them did. But how are the “strange” skeletons with elongated skulls and some are called human alien skeletons linked to the giants? And why do we have so many different shapes, sizes? What happened?

I’m going to my best to answer the questions. Yes, there is a link between the strange human skulls and the skeletons of giants. We read in one of the articles, some giant skeletons did have elongated skull, but it’s not all there is. As I’ve said before, the readers of this thread are partially right to think the giants are the Sebetti rulers and their warriors.

The answer lies in the hierarchy of Atlantis = social hierarchy that is. I don’t know why, but each time I picture the Atlantean society in my head I see it like an ant colony or a bee hive type of hierarchy. When you look at ants or bees, the Queen is the ultimate ruler and she is the biggest in size; that’s the equivalent of the Sebetti rulers. Then you have the warrior ant or bee; that’s the equivalent of the Sebetti warriors. And in the end, you have the worker ant or bee, that’s us = human = the population. Those are the 3 major horizontal lines which divided the Atlantean society regardless of which clan it belonged to.

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>>16717006

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Same type of rumors are circulating amongst some anons about a giant being chained = imprisoned under the Vatican somewhere in the catacombs. We already know that the King of kings and the Evil One died when the Cataclysm was triggered, and we have 5 Sebetti rulers walking the Earth after the Cataclysm. We have located 4 out of the 5 Sebetti’s whereabouts already in this thread; and I have figured out where the last one is. So if this theory of a giant being imprisoned under the Vatican is true, which Sebetti ruler is it?

I don’t think it’s Viracocha. The possible locations of where Viracocha’s remains are: Area 51, or even Denver airport, both located in the US. Another possible location in the US for Viracocha’s remains is the Hoover damn. The Sebetti rulers release a great amount of Spiritual power, so to mask this big power of Viracocha, (((they))) used the damn. It’s a possibility, a theory, if you want. This idea of using Hoover damn to hide Viracocha’s Spiritual power was in the movie called Transformers where (((they))) projected the idea by hiding Megatron under the damn – see picture I’ve attached with this page. It’s possible.

As I’ve mentioned before, another possible location of where (((they))) are keeping the remains of Viracocha along with the Sebetti warriors is Antarctica. I don’t think the remains were kept in one place for a long time though. It’s highly possible that the remains were moved from lab to lab for a variety of reasons along the last 200 years, almost. Regardless of the exact location, I don’t think the remains of Viracocha are under the Vatican if the theory of having giants imprisoned there is true/correct.

This leaves us with 4 other Sebetti rulers: 2 males and 2 females. We know the Bloodlines hold the Vatican dearly to (((their))) hearts. But why the location of the Vatican was picked and not Alexandria, or Constantinople, or Antioch, or Ephesus, or Paris etc.? We can say that the reason is that Vatican was in Rome and Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire; so it’s like the Catholic Church was born there and the Vatican kinda inherited the place organically. Well, I think this is a shallow type of thinking, because when it comes to the Bloodlines nothing is simple and nothing is transparent. And we shouldn’t forget that the Roman Empire was run from the shadow by (((them))). (((They))) were the true rulers of the Empire = the shadow government. A lot of my colleges compare rightfully the Roman Empire’s structure to that of the United States and find incredible similarities in the way both are ruled and the composition of society and the economy. The fate of both was supposed to be destruction by financial ways and by crumbling under the many waves of migrants. It succeeded for the Roman Empire, but it didn’t for the States, because someone SAW through it and put a stop to it all.

As I just said, when you look at the Vatican, you cannot help by notice its value to the Bloodlines. It’s a place which has an importance to (((them))) to a point that (((they))) made it one of the three pillars of (((their))) international order = the Vatican is the religious capital/center of the Bloodlines. As a bonus, there is an Obelisk there as well.

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>>16717022

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When you walk in the Vatican, mostly in the Vatican Museum, you have this feeling like it’s a Museum dedicated to the Horned Serpent history, but mostly to the Evil Couple. Sure, not all the artifacts and exhibits are those “evil” things or represent the Horned Serpent Clan; some are of the Light which the Horned Serpents take as being (((their))) legitimate, rightful belonging. Or it may represent/project something to the Horned Serpents, like the statue of Perseus holding the decapitated head of Medusa. Medusa was a Horned Serpent female warrior and Perseus defeated her; so here it’s mostly a projection of a specific battle from a distant past. And I’m sure this is not the only artifact of its kind. I’m sure there are artifacts projecting the Light side as well, or are indicating some Atlantean technology made by the Light clan survivors. So not all is bad in there, but the majority is. Don’t forget (((they))) are collectors. We gotta clean the place up as well.

Oh yes, we really do need to clean the place up. I see a lot of artifacts in that place which are pointing to the Horned Serpent in general, as I just mentioned, but specifically the artifacts are projecting the Evil Couple. Let me give you a few examples of what I’m talking about here:

Let’s talk about Michelangelo’s work a bit. I’ve already mentioned the statue of David’s possibility being the statue of the Evil One = having his facial features (picture in page 2 090). When we take a look at the other sculptures done by Michelangelo which are highly praised by the Vatican and are considered (((their))) “prime” art pieces, we start to find something is off about these statues. Like what? Well, like the Pieta statue. La Pieta supposedly represents the Virgin Mary weeping and grieving the death of her son = Christ, while holding his body after it was taken down from the Cross. It’s a very sad scene. But what is “strange” about La Pieta is the AGE of the Virgin Mary.

It is said that the Virgin Mary was 15/16 years old when she gave birth to Christ and we know that Christ died when he was 33 years old. So 33+16 = that makes the age of the Virgin Mary something between 48/49 years old when Christ died. Now take a very close look at the face of the Virgin Mary in La Pieta, does this look like the face of a woman close to 50 years of age? It looks like she is in her 20s, not knocking on the door of 50 years old. This “face” has caused a lot of controversy and disputes along the years, just like the statue of David has done. We old men think the face of the Virgin Mary was substituted with that of the Evil Lady and this is not the Virgin Mary weeping Christ we see in La Pieta, but actually the Evil Lady weeping the Evil One’s death. Remember how Ishtar shrieked when the explosion happened? And remember what I explained to you back then? This is not the first attempt by the Bloodlines to substitute the image/ iconography of Neith, at first, and then of the Virgin Mary, with the iconography and symbolism of the Evil Lady.

(((They))) have been trying to do it with the Virgin Mary subtly now for some time, but till now, it’s not working. We’ve already seen how (((they))) are trying to switch/substitute the authentic iconography of the Virgin Mary crushing the head of the serpent (page 2 033) by the iconography of the Evil Lady with a crescent (page 2 035), under the excuse, the pretense to merge between Christian and Islamic symbols. In both religions, the Virgin Mary doesn’t need symbols. She is herself, crushing the Evil One’s head. She doesn’t need any symbol of any sort. So this is how (((they))) are trying to slowly, subtly, substitute the iconography of the Virgin Mary by that of the Evil Lady. And when we look at La Pieta, it seems (((they))) have been trying to do that for centuries now.

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David and La Pieta are not the only “strange” statues by Michelangelo. His most famous statue of Moses is highly controversial as well. This has also made a lot of people outraged, just like the 2 previous statues did. The reason for all the trouble is the HORNS on the head of Moses. This generated a lot of outrage for a long long time and combined with the other statues and art work from Michelangelo, a lot of people have started to question if he was not a Satanist; which we believe he was.

And ironically, he was depicting things right, in a correct manner. People will ask me: why did he depict Moses with horns? The answer is rather simple = it’s because Moses was a warrior of the Horned Serpent Clan. Here, the reader of this thread, have a visual of what I was telling you about the fairy tale of Moses (starting page 2 100). When the outrage grew too much with time, the horns on the statue of Moses at the Vatican were said to be some sort of misunderstanding from the part of the people, and what Moses has on his head is some sort of headband, or these are his hair locks, etc…. Just any type of excuse to diverge the narrative of these being horns on top of Moses’s head.

But you see anons, Michelangelo was NOT the ONLY MiddleAge/Renaissance artist whom depicted Moses with horns ^_^ It’s many artists whom did that as you can see in the picture I’m putting with this page. These works of art (if you can call them that anymore) are physical, tangible proof that the Bloodlines controlled the Vatican since then and in the same time (((they))) knew since then that Moses was a warrior from the Horned Serpent Clan.

And when we look at WHEN the statues and other artifacts of the Evil Lady = Atargatis = Artemis of Ephesus were shipped to the Vatican; it also indicates since when (((they))) controlled the Vatican and also since when (((they))) knew that Atargatis is (((their))) mommy = the Mother of Demons. It’s very clear, when you take a look at the artifacts, projecting the history of the Horned Serpent Clan and the Evil Couple, were shipped to the Vatican, you will realize how long the Vatican has been under (((their))) control because, after all, (((they))) are collectors and the Vatican is just another museum (((they))) own.

So when we take an overall look at just the artifacts and art in the Vatican, you will start to realize that it’s a special place for the Horned Serpent Clan, as if it was a place where (((they))) gathered (((their))) memory = (((their))) history. It’s like a place of homage to the Evil Couple, where (((they))) pay tribute to them. Which made us wonder why this specific city and not any other? That is until we came to this board and spend some time lurking. As mentioned before, some anons were talking about a giant being imprisoned under the Vatican. So that got us thinking overdrive. We started to wonder if this is true or not, and if it’s true, then which Sebetti ruler it is that (((they))) have down there.

When I put these 2 ideas/theories together, I realized that the chances are high = it’s highly possible, that the Sebetti ruler supposedly imprisoned under the Vatican could be the Evil Lady. And all of the Vatican was constructed as a HUGE SHRINE for her, all around her, as a huge burial place for her. All the human sacrifices that take place there, are for her. But….is it truly her remains down there? We know (((they))) have been confusing her with Neith, so is it truly her down there? Or is it Neith’s remains, mistaken to be hers by (((them)))?

And another question is bugging me: where did (((they))) find the remains of this female Sebetti? If it was the Evil Lady, was she found in Mesopotamia? In the Taurus Mountain Chain? In Asia Minor? Or in Ephesus itself? If it was the remains of Neith, but mistaken to be the remains of the Evil Lady, then…where did (((they))) find her remains? In Ancient Egypt? Under the Sphinx, maybe in that mysterious room? Was it in the Valley of the kings?

What I’m talking about here is theoretical of course…. Too much “maybes” and “ifs”. I also really doubt we will ever be told the truth about it all since such “secrets” are considered of the highest classifications ever = the Sebetti rulers are probably the biggest secret (((they))) hid from us.

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>>16717033

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A lot of anons reading this thread might think that I’ve gone all senile and finally lost it. Well, what if I’m on the right track? Has anyone ever checked the name of the place = Vatican? Where does it come from? Let’s take a look at this: https://www.ancientpages.com/2020/06/06/name-vatican-etruscan-goddess-vatika-underworld-connection/

“The Name Vatican And Etruscan Goddess Vatika Of The Underworld – What Is The Connection?

June 6, 2020

Ellen Lloyd - AncientPages.com - The Vatican is a symbol of Christianity. We are today so used to the name that we hardly think about how the Vatican got its name. The truth is that the name Vatican is neither Latin nor Greek and it cannot be traced to the Bible either.

The word we associate with the Church is closely linked to the Etruscan goddess Vatika. As you are about to find out, the name "Vatican" predates Christianity and is shrouded in mystery.

Inside The Vatican City State

The Vatican City State was founded on February 11, 1929. Located in Rome, Italy, it is the world’s smallest independent country by both population and area. The city has a population of around 840 and an area of approximately 108 acres (44 hectares).

The Vatican is a symbol of the Roman Catholic faith and its power and influence on religious people cannot be denied and the Holy See’s authority extends over Catholics throughout the world.

The Vatican Palace, north of St. Peter’s Basilica is the residence of the Pope within the city walls. The Vatican is famous for its beautiful buildings such as the Sistine Chapel, St. Peter's Square and St. Peter's Basilica. The Vatican Museums are filled with masterpieces of painting, sculpture, and other works of art collected by the popes through the centuries. The Vatican Apostolic Library is located inside the Vatican Palace.

The Vatican Library was founded in 1451 AD and holds over 80,000 manuscripts, prints, drawings, plates, and incunabula (books printed prior to 1500 AD) written throughout history by people of different faiths from across the world.

To make ancient material available to the public, some years ago, the Vatican Apostolic Library started digitizing its valuable ancient religious manuscripts and putting them online via its website. In 2014, the Vatican Library had 4,000 ancient manuscripts available online for free.

The Vatican's secret archives are not as secret as many think. In 1881, Pope Leo XIII allowed scholars to visit the private archives for the first time and in modern times it’s possible to get access to the documents, but outsiders must know what they are looking for because with 52 miles of shelves in the archives, the librarians prohibit browsing.”

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“Vanth, an Etruscan death daemon and servant of Charun (Greek Cheiron), lord of the Underworld was often depicted on urns that held the ashes of cremated bodies. Vanth was usually depicted with wings and had bearded snakes entwined around her arms.”

>> Can anons guess whom these 2 are? ^_~

“According to Etruscan mythology, Vanth was present from the moment of death until entry into the Underworld.

Where Does The Name Vatican Come From?

Vatika had several other related meanings in ancient Etruscan. The name was not only associated with the goddess of the Underworld. Vatika was also a bitter, not well-tasting grape used by a peasant to produce cheap wine. The grape as well as a weed with the same name grew on the slope. When people ate it, they experienced hallucinations, and the word passed on into Latin as a synonym for “prophetic vision”. The Latin word 'vaticinor' means "foretell, prophesy" from 'vatis' - "poet, teacher, oracle".”

>> I would like to ask anons to be careful about the prophecy ability mentioned here. This is drug or hallucinogenic induced fantasy. This is waaayyy different from the true Seers/Oracles. The Seers don’t need to take any type of drug or hallucinogenic in order to get a vision or get in contact with the Light. They do not go into trances, but they simply wait for the messages to be given to them. We know about this not just because of the young man, but also because of the Saints; like the ones we’ve seen in this thread before. The Seers, either get the message while they are awake or when they sleep = in dreams. Saint Paisios is a good example, as well as Saint Charbel. Please go back and re-read how Saint Charbel communicated to many people, you will understand that the Seers of the Light do not need any drugs to communicate with the Spiritual world. It’s the Dark side that needs it because when you turn Dark = Evil, you lose your Spiritual power; so if you had the power to See and you turned Dark, you will lose that ability. This is why (((they))) use drugs, hallucinogenic stuff and trances to get in touch with the spiritual world. “Naturally born” Seers don’t need that. This has lead even some people = simple humans with no inborn ability, to use drugs, alcohol and others, in order to get in touch with the spiritual world = either the dark side or the light side. The True Seers = the ones from the Lamassu Clan, with the GENES = the genetic code which activates their Oracle powers, do NOT need anything to get in touch with the Spiritual world. It’s people whom don’t have the genes = the ability whom uses these things.

“Biblical sources have various explanations for the origin of the name Vatican. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, the origin of the name Vaticanus is uncertain; some claim that the name comes from a vanished Etruscan town called Vaticum.

However, according to a Vatican curator, the Vatican Hill takes its name from the Latin word Vaticanus, a vaticiniis ferendis, in allusion to the oracles, or Vaticinia, which were anciently delivered here.

So, we can conclude by saying that the origin of the name Vatican is unclear, but most researchers think the name was borrowed from the Etruscan language.”

>> What do you say anons? Does the Vatican take its name from the Etruscan goddess of the Underworld Vatika or not? Please take a look at the second picture I’m attaching with this page = it’s a comparison of the spark between the horns (1) and the design of the Vatican (3). We have 3 Sebetti clans with a horned heraldic animal, but if we connect this with the name of the goddess of the Underworld Vatica and the “Art” inside the place, then this specific design of the spark between the horns is that of the Evil Lady. And the Obelisk is placed just in the middle to transmit that Spiritual energy. Remember what I said about the Obelisk when we took a look at them?

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>>16717091

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Let’s do some more reading about the Etruscan goddess Vatika: https://allinnet.info/antiquities/from-the-etruscan-goddess-vatika-to-the-vatican/

“From the Etruscan Goddess Vatika to the Vatican

By Vigen Avetisyan / February 9, 2022

Etruscan Goddess Vatika. Vatika or Vaticanus is the archaic Etruscan name of the Goddess associated with birth and the underworld.

This name, also called Vaticanus or Vaginatus, later came to mean the Latin, Vagina, that is, the female reproductive organ. The Vatican, which has its own lands in Italy, takes its name from this Goddess.”

>> This article is surely different big time from the previous one isn’t it? The previous one was written in a careful way = with political correctness. This one is blunt and says it as it is.

“This was a Necropolis, that is, a cemetery. They named it after the Goddess Vatika, who was also associated with the underworld.

Constantine, the first Catholic emperor, had a temple built on this hill, known as the Vatican Hill. A few centuries later, the papal palace was built.

This is how Vatika, a pagan goddess of Etruscan origin, gives her name “Vatican”. Statue of the Etruscan Goddess of the underworld, Vatika, who guards the city of the dead or necropolis, where the Vatican stands today.

The symbol in the middle of her forehead is the Vagina, which is also the symbol of her own name, and represents fertility.”

>> I disagree with the interpretation meaning fertility. This is the Evil Lady we have here anons. Just by reading the text it’s more than clear Vatika is an aspect of the Evil Lady seen through the eyes of the Etruscans. Everything mentioned in this paragraph is a characteristic of the Evil Lady, including the vagina which doesn’t represent here fertility but actually represent the sacred prostitution. I don’t need to explain things in detail here because anons already know well the Evil Lady by now and they see her characteristic in Vatika.

The picture I’ve attached with this page came with this article. I’m smiling from ear to ear anons. This Etruscan relief of the goddess Vatika is proof of everything I’ve been telling you about the Evil Lady = she is the leader of the Antelope Clan. Look carefully at the shape of the horns = Antelope; the ears are there to confirm it as well. Some like to call it the goat, some like to call it the gazelle. I like to stick to the oldest name of it found in pre-dynastic Ancient Egypt artifacts (the palettes, etc.) = the Antelope.

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>>16717101

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“On the southern border of Rasenna, on a hill not far from where decades later Romulus and Remus would establish the foundations of the City of Rome, on the right side of the Tiber, the Etruscans, the descendants of the Sea People, – it is said by some, although disputed by others – had erected such a necropolis dedicated to Vatica/Vatika. The early Romans would then have named that hill Vatican after the Etruscan goddess.

The name of goddess Vatica/Vatika may have derived – some scholars argue, though others dispute – from a mythological deity of the Sea People, which was honored by the Etruscans. They, it is said, feared the wrath of a demon servant (or consort) of Xaru(n)/Charu(n)/Karu(n), the guardian of the gates of hell, whom they named Vanth. Vanth was commonly represented by the Etruscans on urns that held the ashes of cremated bodies as a winged deity dressed in a short tunic with straps crossed at chest height, leaving her breasts uncovered. Her hair was typically represented as a nest of snakes held together by a diadem and entwined around her arms. She was believed to escort the spirit of the deceased from the instant of death to when the spirit reached the gates of Ade, the underworld. Then, the spirit was handed over by Vanth to Xaru(n)/Charu(n)/Karu(n), who acted as the guide through the gate of Ade, delivering the spirit to Aita/Eita, the Etruscan god of Ade.

The connection between Vanth, Vatica/Vatika and the word ‘vatican’ seems more tenuous than the name vatica/vatika for the type of sour grapes growing on the slopes of a hill that Romans eventually called Mons Vaticanus. Nonetheless, both hypothetical etymologies seem to relate the Sea People.”

>> Anyone notice how close the words are to the ones in Greek Mythology? Ade = Hades and Charun = Charon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charon

“In Greek mythology, Charon or Kharon (/ˈkɛərɒn, -ən/; Ancient Greek: Χάρων) is a psychopomp, the ferryman of Hades who carries souls of the newly deceased who had received the rites of burial, across the river Acheron (or in some later accounts, across the river Styx) that divided the world of the living from the world of the dead. A coin to pay Charon for passage, usually an obolus or danake, was sometimes placed in or on the mouth of a dead person. Some authors say that those who could not pay the fee, or those whose bodies were left unburied, had to wander the shores for one hundred years, until they were allowed to cross the river.[3] In the catabasis mytheme, heroes – such as Aeneas, Dionysus, Heracles, Hermes, Odysseus, Orpheus, Pirithous, Psyche, Theseus and Sisyphus – journey to the underworld and return, still alive, conveyed by the boat of Charon. Not to be mistaken with Chiron a Centaur who taught some of those heroes, and has a similar name.

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It’s not just the names that are incredibly similar, but they also have the same meaning/function; as in Ade represents the Underworld and Hades in Greek myths was the ruler of the underworld; and Charun had the duty to accompany the dead souls to the Underworld, just like Charon did. It doesn’t stop here anons, read carefully the description given about Vanth: it’s very close to how Medusa from the Greek myths is described to be.

What do the Etruscans and the Greek have in common? = the Hittite migration. This is where the “influence” to both civilizations came from and it’s the reason why they have names and myths = cultural stuff in common.

Lastly: when you look closely at the description given about Vatika, Vanth and Charun it’s very clear that the first 2 ladies are aspects of the Evil Lady while the Charun is the Evil One.

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>>16717106

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Since we are at it, let’s take a look at Etruscan goddess Vanth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanth

“Vanth is a chthonic figure in Etruscan mythology shown in a variety of forms of funerary art, such as in tomb paintings and on sarcophagi.”

>> It’s because she is related to death and the Underworld.

“Vanth is a female demon in the Etruscan underworld that is often accompanied either by additional Vanth figures or by another underworld demon, Charun (later referred to as Charu). Both Vanth and Charun are only seen in iconography beginning c. 400 BC, in the middle period of Etruscan art, although some earlier inscriptions mention her name.”

>> She is a demon as well as Charun. They are sometimes represented together as a duo; but we should say more like a couple. Sometimes she is represented with OTHER demons = those are the Horned Serpent warriors. We don’t see her in the earliest Etruscan art because the migrating waves were not many yet and the cultural influence the migrants brought with them only appeared/was strong enough in the middle period of the Etruscan art.

“Vanth has no direct counterpart in Greek mythology, and is very frequently, but not always, seen winged. Although Vanth has no real Greek counterpart, she has been compared to the Greek Furies, the Erinyes, especially in older publications. This is an unlikely association since she is almost always shown in Etruscan iconography to be a benevolent guide, not an avenging spirit, which the Furies often represent. Her other attributes include the possession of a torch, key, or scroll, and she is shown often to be bare-chested with cross-straps across her breast, adorned with fur boots, a rolled short chiton, and sometimes with unattached sleeves. In fact, her dress has been attributed by Scheffer as specifically the dress of a huntress.”

>> I see a lot of details belonging to the Evil Lady and some of the Evil One in Vanth. I understand where she got her wings from and why she holds a torch and why her breasts are uncovered….so should the reader as I’ve explained it all when I talked about the Evil Lady.

We cannot say she doesn’t have a counterpart in Greek mythology because this is another aspect of the Evil Lady, mutated into the Etruscan myths. We do have here similarities with Persephone, with Artemis and with Medusa…but when you look at those 3 Greek mythological figures, they are all different aspects of ONE person = the Evil Lady. The younger generation thought each and every single one is a different deity, not realizing it’s one, but seen from different aspects. I’ve explained this many times about Neith and the other Sebetti rulers too.

See how mutation occurred as the cult of the Evil Lady and the Evil One jumped/bounced from one culture/civilization to another and from one generation to another?

“Vanth is involved in a variety of different types of scenes in Etruscan art; the most common types associate her presence with occasions of slaughter and murder, including scenes from the Trojan cycle. Occasionally she is shown rising up out of the ground in such contexts, as seen on an ash urn from Chiusi. Sometimes she is even shown as a solitary figure decorating the sides of ash urns. Other scenes in which Vanth is present involve the meeting and escort of the dead, in the role of psychopompos, who are either walking or being transported on horseback, wagon, or chariot.”

>> She is associated to murder and slaughter because she is the Evil Lady: apart her being a pedovore, she was a co-conspirator in the coup, unleashed the cataclysm which killed millions and she spearheaded the war against the warriors of the Light after the Cataclysm. So of course she and the Horned Serpent warriors (along with the Evil One of course) are always associated with death, murder, slaughter etc. – loads of macabre things.

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“In general, Vanth is associated with death and the journey of the deceased to the Underworld, but in a variety of different ways; she is present in scenes of the moment of death as well in scenes where the deceased is already fully dead and journeying to the Underworld. She is depicted as a benevolent psychopompian figure, in contrast to the menacing Charun, her sometime companion.

“The materials that Vanth is identified as carrying, which include a torch, key, scroll, or sword, also relate to her role as a guide in the Underworld. The torch can be used to light the way for travellers to the Underworld, although some scholars interpret it as a status symbol or as an indication of office, and the key unlocks its doorway. Additionally, the scroll may reveal more about Vanth, as one instance actually displays her name inside, vanθ. Vanth has been interpreted as a goddess of fate, and using this association, the scroll may contain the destiny of the deceased. However, in total, Vanth is depicted as a young, vibrant female chthonic figure, sometimes in the company of other Vanths, and sometimes with Charun; she is a figure who assists with the journey of the deceased to the underworld.”

>> The interpretation of the objects Vanth carries is a modern day one.

“Etruscan chthonic figures

Other Etruscan chthonic (or underworld) figures include Charun, Calu, Phersipnai, Turms, Aita, and Culsu.”

>> When we look at different artifacts where Vanth is represented (on any type of material) it’s clear we are a seeing a mutated form of the Evil Lady, an aspect of her. We know the wings are stolen, not originally hers. The serpents on her hands are the electricity, while those on her head are either the Serpent Clan helmet or the electric beam which forms between the horns of the Antelope Clan, just like what we saw with Hathor = all horned Clans have it. The torch is mostly that of the Evil One in my opinion which she was associated with, so with the mutation happening, it might be a characteristic which mutated and was “transferred association” to her. I don’t know what the keys she is holding mean, it could be the “access” to the Beam of Light with swirling electricity around it or maybe the Stargate. It is worthy to note that on the Flag of the Vatican, there is a set of 2 keys; supposedly the keys of St Peter.

As if it’s not enough to see all of those details on ancient artifacts pointing us to the Evil Lady, there is even modern day merchandise online about Vanth and Vatika as well. I’m going to attach the pictures with this page and let anons make their minds about them. What do you think? How did modern day designers pick those details for 2 Etruscan deities which are aspects of the same Evil Lady? I don’t think this is as simple as a marketing strategy or artistic expression.

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>>16717113

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Since we took a look at Vanth, we gotta look at her partner Charun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charun

“In Etruscan mythology, Charun (also spelled Charu, or Karun) acted as one of the psychopompoi of the underworld (not to be confused with the god of the underworld, known to the Etruscans as Aita). He is often portrayed with Vanth, a winged figure also associated with the underworld.

Origins

His name was imported from Greek Charon,[1] although it is uncertain whether Etruscans had a native name for a god of the underworld before this. As suggested by alternations in the Etruscan language such as θu "one" changing to θunśna "first", lev "lion" (from Greek leōn) and Apulu (from Greek Apóllōn), words ending in -n after u were disappearing from the language which is why we see his name spelled Xarun and later Xaru.”

>> It’s correct. And Charon and Apollo are 2 different aspects of the Evil One. The common root between the Etruscan and Greek mythologies is the Hittite migrant waves.

“Appearance

The Etruscan Charun was fundamentally different from his Greek counterpart. Guarding the entry to the underworld he is depicted with a hammer (his religious symbol) and is shown with pointed ears, snakes around his arms, and a blueish coloration symbolizing the decay of death. In some images he has enormous wings. He is also depicted as a large creature with snake-like hair, a vulture's hooked nose, large tusks like a boar, heavy brow ridges, large lips, fiery eyes, pointed ears a black beard, enormous wings, discolored (pale cream, bluish or greyish) skin, and snakes around his arm.”

>> When things are represented oversized in art this means exaggeration in order to emphasize. Here, they are highlighting the “scary” and “demonic” aspect of the Evil One by giving these traits to Charun.

“Function

Larissa Bonfante and Judith Swaddling have this to say about Charun: "Many scenes feature the two purely Etruscan underworld demons, Vanth and Charu, whose job is not to punish the dead but rather to escort them to their final destination." However, there are at least two examples, on the sarcophagus of Laris Pulenas as well as a red figure stamnos from Orbetello, that do illustrate Charun in a menacing fashion. Each depicts Charun threatening a male figure with his hammer.”

>> Charun is an aspect of the Evil One, so in this aspect what is highlighted is him taking people to the Underworld, not the slaughter/murder aspect of him.

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>>16717116

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“The grotesque nature of the depiction of Charun appears to have been at least partly apotropaic in nature. Apotropaic art was the practice of the neighboring Greeks at this time, as represented by the exaggerated eyes painted on drinking vessels in the 6th century BC to ward away spirits while drinking or the monstrous depiction of Medusa whose image was said to turn men to stone. Through these images of the grotesque, violence and blood-letting, the Etruscans may have believed that they helped to fend off evil spirits from the tomb as well as sanctify the tomb perhaps in place of the actual ritual sacrifice of an animal usually performed in funerary rites.

Nancy de Grummond offers a different view. The relief on the sarcophagus of Laris Pulenas at Tarquinia, shows two Charuns swinging their hammers at a person's head, though the head (probably that of Pulenas, the nobleman whose sarcophagus it is) no longer survives in the relief due to an accident of preservation. Years later, in the Colosseum, a Charun-like figure called Dispater would hit the loser with a hammer to make sure he was dead, perhaps in reflection of Charun. The hammer might also be used to protect the dead; it is sometimes swung at serpents attacking the deceased (as shown on the Orvieto amphora). Most often it is simply held, or the handle planted on the ground and the mallet head leaned upon (above). De Grummond notes that the ferry of Charon appears only once in surviving Etruscan art, and that some Etruscan demons are equipped with oars, but they typically use them as weapons rather than in their maritime function.”

>> This explanation is a possibility. Another one is that the oars are echoes from a distant past = symbolizing the Ark the Horned Serpent Clan survivors boarded during the Cataclysm.

“Modern views

Many authors tend to take a more sensationalist view of Charun, speaking of him as a "death-demon". Such authors may be inspired by Christian views of Hell and moral punishment. For the Etruscans, as with the Greeks, Hades was merely a morally neutral place of the dead. Neither the "good" nor the "bad" could escape the clutches of death and both were assembled there together.”

>> Chuckles. This is sweet talking to please the sheep.

“Ron Terpening, a professor of Italian literature at the University of Arizona, cites Franz de Ruyt, who claims Charun is similar to Chaldean demons or the Hindu divinities Shiva and Kali. He is presumed to be the servant of Mantus and Mania, and, like Charon, is comparable to the Greeks' Thanatos, the Erinyes, and the Keres. The author, like de Grummond, feels that some later Renaissance paintings of Greek Charon may show the continuity of pre-Christian Etruscan beliefs. Later on when the deity had evolved into the Greek Charon, or Caronte in Italian, Terpening notes that Charun's hammer or mallet is sometimes replaced with an oar, although it does not fit with his duties.”

>> Well, it’s much simpler than this = all of these are aspects of the Evil One; and of the Evil Lady. Same deity, but different aspects of them whom the younger generations thought they were several persons/deities, and not a single one.

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>>16717119

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“According to Jeff Rovin, Charun guided souls on horseback to the underworld and "brings horses to the newly-dead", but this is idle speculation. He also claims that Charun appears to love violence and participates in warfare adding that Charun enjoys natural disasters as well. An Etruscan krater from François Tomb (above) depicts Charun with Ajax or Achilles (left, cropped out) slaughtering Trojan prisoners. This urn is currently held in Cabinet des Médailles 920, Bibliothéque Nationale, Paris. Rovin says that some accounts depict him with a sword, and that he "slices" souls with it. At least one image shows him guiding a soul on horseback, equipped with both a hammer and a sword, though he is simply carrying it on his person.

The Charon of Vergil in the Aeneid is particularly cruel; according to W.F. Jackson Knight, "Vergil's Charon is not only the Greek ferryman of Aristophanes [in The Frogs], but more than half his Etruscan self, Charun, the Etruscan torturing death-devil, no ferryman at all."

>> That’s because Charun in the Etruscan myths is none other than the Evil One, but we only see one aspect, one angle of him here. So seeing him sometimes being violent and slaughter people is also another aspect of the Evil One. It shouldn’t surprise anyone reading this thread. And just look where this urn was put = Cabinet des Médailles 920, B.N. Paris. ^_^

“Assistants

Charun is believed to have worked with many assistants in the Underworld, although they could be independent deities in their own right. Most of their names are lost to us, but at least one, Tuchulcha, is identified in the Tomb of Orcus II, and has hair and wings like a Gorgon. Tuchulcha, whose gender is debated among scholars, appears in a depiction of the story of Theseus (known to the Etruscans as "These") visiting the underworld. These and his friend Peirithous are playing a board game, attended by Tuchulcha.

There are four Charuns shown in a fresco in the Tomb of the Charuns, and each appear to have sub-names. These are Charun Chunchules, the heavily blistered Charun Huths, Charun Lufe, and the fourth has crumbled away to illegibility. On Laris Pulena's sarcophagus, there are also two Charuns and two Vanths on either side of the figure in the center who is presumably Laris Pulena himself. De Grummond does not cite these figures as assistants, but believes Charun may be a type of creature rather than a singular demon.

Many of Charun's other presumed assistants appear in the Tomb of the Blue Demons, which is also the home of the only Etruscan rendering of the aforementioned ferry of Charon.

Pop culture

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>> The “assistants” are none other than the Horned Serpent warriors = they all wear similar armors, so they look alike; apart the multimorphs.

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>>16717125

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If I combine all of these elements, it’s indicating that the Sebetti warriors and the Sebetti rulers had descendants = children. When you think about whom they might have mated with to have children, we have 2 possible options:

1 – They mated with other Sebetti warriors, which was possible since there were warriors from both genders. The children from this possibility would have been born and considered as first generation descendants of pure Sebetti warriors blood (A). In the case of the Sebetti ruler mating with a Sebetti warrior, then the children would be a hybrid of mixed blood (B).

The (A) children, would have their parents physical features, including their height, fingers, toes, teeth, skull shape, even hair color. since they are pure bloods.

The (B) children, would have been a mixture: some would look like one of the parents, while some would be a mixture of both = we will have a genetic mixture between Sebetti ruler genes and Sebetti warrior genes. This is when we should see some “changes” like possibly children taller than the height of the Sebetti warrior, but also shorter than the height of the Sebetti ruler = a height in between that of the parents. Same thing is applied for the other physical features, from the numbers of fingers/toes, to the teeth, to the shape of the skull.

Anons will ask me: how I can be sure that the Sebetti warriors were shorter in height than the Sebetti rulers? = that one is easy to guess anons, I’m not just relying on what the young man saw. I’m also relying on physical evidence, like the steps and the door ways we saw in the Incas fortress, like the doorways in the Phoenician megalithic sites, like the statues of Mount Nemrut etc.

2 – They mated with humans, normal humans. Here again, we have subgroups of descendants:

The (C) children would be the result of the mating between a human and a Sebetti warrior. The height of such children should be somewhere in between that of a human and a Sebetti warrior; and I’m also taking into consideration all the genetic cocktail variation and possibilities. It’s a wild mix.

The (D) children would be the result of the mating between a human and a Sebetti ruler which might have produced a wide range of heights of their offspring.

When you consider all of these possibilities, you will realize that not all giants unearthed in the States are Sebetti warriors whom survived the Cataclysm, but some are their direct descendants from first generation, second and third generation descendants. This is why we have this huge variety in the heights and physical features we see on this chart and we read about in the giant skeleton articles. And this is why I am saying that the readers whom think the giant skeletons are the Sebetti warriors are partially right: it’s them and their direct descendants for 2 or 3 generations down.

This mater is highly complex and needs long, serious and deep studying. Things are not simple and shallow. We are talking about many generations here and the various heights we saw are indicating of the possibilities I’ve mentioned just above when it comes to the offspring of the Sebetti warriors.

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>>16717150

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RADIATION

Why did I think of radiation? It’s because of Darwin and the Evolution theory. It’s more than clear now to the reader of this thread that the Evolution theory is nothing but B.S. and Darwin is a big fake and a liar. The Arks on many high mountains are there to prove him wrong. We were created by our Heavenly Father. We didn’t evolve from some apes to become the Homo Sapiens Sapiens.

But this brought a knot in this big puzzle: what about the Neanderthals? What about the other human “species”? Please take a look at the pictures I’ve attached with this page to understand what I’m pointing to. If Darwin was a fake, and his theory pure BS, then how can we explain the existence of the skeletons of the other human “species”, like the one of the Neanderthal for example?

I was stuck here for a very long time, years, I couldn’t figure it out, until I got “help” in 2 unexpected ways:

1 – The incident of Fukushima with everything that happened from the tsunami, to the nuclear plant, to the leak with the radiation and of course all of the pictures of mutated plants and animals. That pushed the imagery of “living things” changing forms and growing limbs. I’ve already mentioned nuclear radiation before in this thread and its effect and consequences on the human body exposed to it on page 1 419.

2 – This one was even more unexpected as it came from the movie Aquaman (starting page 1 409). In the video I’ve attached with page 1 412, Vulko from the movie tells Arthur = Aquaman about the explosion that destroyed Atlantis and he talks about radiation. This radiation had a positive and a negative effect on the Atlanteans. It changed them physically, ALL of them, some positively as it enabled them to breath underwater; some negatively, as it changed their physical appearance. Some “supposedly” evolved according to Vulko’s tale = turning into fish men. While others regressed, still according to Vulko’s tale, and became closer to monsters/animals form like, than humans form, like the Trench etc. These Atlantean became violent and seem to have only their basic instincts left in them.

Which reminded me of Darwin’s evolution theory….but….what if it was in reverse? What if it was not EVOLUTION but DEVOLUTION that happened to the survivors of the Cataclysm? We already know (((they))) twist things around a 180 degrees, right? When it comes to understanding and uncovering the truth with (((them))) we gotta understand things the other way around (((they))) tell us it is: as in what is up is down, what is right is left, what is black is white. So if I apply this to what Darwin said…then it’s not Evolution theory, it’s Devolution theory. This explains the Neanderthal and the other human “species” we have.

When you think about it, it makes sense. When the survivors came out from the Arks, they were subjected to radiation for a long period of time, while the Ice Age was taking place. How long did it last? I have no idea: it could be a few hundred years or it could be hundred thousands of years.

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>>16717160

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We know there were 7 clans scattered all over the world because of the Cataclysm; so each part of the world suffered from the radiation differently and each survivor’s body = genes, reacted to the radiation differently. Some of us regressed and became the Neanderthals and the other human “species”. Is it possible?

I think it is very highly possible, mostly if we take a look at the animals and the changes it occurred with them. What do I mean here? Well, take a look at the pictures I’m attaching with this page; and please go online and keep on looking for pictures with the same idea = the changes in animals from “prehistoric” times till now. The radiation affected not just humans, but all types of living beings on earth, from humans, to animals, to plants. Suddenly, a lot of things are starting to make sense to me.

Do you remember the Sivatherium from page 61? It’s the ancestor of the giraffe and somehow it mutated from that form into becoming how we know it is now; as in a mutation occurred. What can cause that mutation? = radiation. Do you remember the Serpopard from page 119? It clearly co-existed with humans just like the Sivatherium did. So happened to it? Did it mutated and turn into the lion/panther/tiger? If so, what cause the mutation? = radiation. Again. Take a look at the different animal species I’ve put for anons in the pictures attached with this page. This can be applied to all species, animals and plants alike. Keep those thought in mind and let connect them with the previous point when talking about the devolution of humans….then….let’s connect all of this ( = devolution of humans and the mutation of animals) to the next point = humans co-existing with dinosaurs.

We have seen many artifacts and evidence in this thread already all pointing to the co-existence of humans and dinosaurs at the same time (chronologically); from the Dogon artifact (page 215) all the way to the tracks at the bottom of the Paluxy river in Texas (starting page 2 402) = which is in sharp opposition from the narrative peddled forward by the Main Stream History.

The Main Stream History told us for a long time now that an asteroid impact is what most probably killed the dinosaurs and what was left of them = survived the impact, mutated and changed = evolved… What if it wasn’t an asteroid impact but something similar? What if what wiped out the dinosaurs was the explosion which triggered the Cataclysm? What if this is what wiped out not just all the dinosaurs but also all the humans from all the clans from the surface of the earth? And whatever and whomever had survived the Cataclysm had somehow boarded the Arks? How that happened? Well, for humans, they boarded it in a panicked way of course. But what about the animals = the dinos? I’m still working on that one despite me having some small pieces, I still haven’t figured out all of it. But one thing for sure = some animals survived the Cataclysm, just like how humans survived it.

And with them surviving the Cataclysm, the animals spread all over the world after coming out of the Arks, just like humans did. And just like the humans, the animals were also subjugated to the radiation and lived in the Ice Age. This affected their appearance as well; and the best example is how the mammoth transformed/mutated into the current day elephant. They are similar, but not identical, not exactly the same.

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>>16717168

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And all of this brings me to the proportions/scale between humans and dinosaurs. We saw many times in this thread with various artifacts, that humans not just co-existed with dinosaurs but they were also were proportioned to each other in size. I just mentioned the Dogon artifact from page 215; and there is another good example of the artifact found in the vicinity of Tiwanaku from page 496. Now add to this the previous points I was talking about and the giant skeleton’s differences in height we’ve just seen a few pages ago.

If I combine all of this, there is a big chance that humans were actually bigger in size and that we shrunk because of the radiation; exactly like what had happened with the mammoth and the elephant. So you see dear readers why I say that if you think the giant skeletons are the remains of Sebetti warriors is partially right/correct? It’s because that some are, while others might be those of our human ancestors whom might have shrunk in later generations due to radiation. We mustn’t also forget that some of the giant skeletons might be of the direct descendants of the Sebetti warriors whom survived the Cataclysm as well. Things aren’t as easy and clear as it initially appeared to be when it comes to the giants.

And this same idea should be applied about the elongated skulls? Where they the result of the radiation as well? Or were our skulls initially elongated then they mutated and changed to their current form right now? I honestly don’t know. I have no way to find out which was our initial form and to what we mutated into. Oh by the way: this also includes what some call as the “alien skulls” as well = it’s got that form because of the radiation. I bet this is also one of the highest classified secrets there is out there. I honestly think we shrunk anons. I honestly think humans were bigger in size. One thing is for sure, the Bloodlines sure like the elongated shape of the skull.

These genes are still in us, they show up from time to time; all you have to do is take a look at Robert Wadlow’s pictures I’m attaching with this page to understand what I mean here. What I haven’t been able to figure out is how exactly tall where humans. See when the young man meets his guardian, well…that guardian of his is of the same height as Wadlow is in these pictures. And when the young man stands next to him, it’s the exact same thing of what you see with Wadlow along with the people next to him in those pictures. So…. How tall were humans? And where did this “height” gene come from? Were humans originally that tall? Or is this the result of the possible mating with some of the Sebetti warriors which I talked about in previous pages?

I have 2 big chunks about this issue of the giant skeletons, but I don’t know how they fit together. And I’m stuck in the same place when it comes to the shape of the skulls? Were our skulls elongated and then it mutated into the current one from the radiation? Or is it the other way around? I would also like to bring attention to the shoe size of Wadlow by the way. It confirms what I have been telling you about the depth of the steps in the Inca fortress and the size of the doors in the megalithic size.

So yes anons, I’ve still got some work to do in this section. This is not over for me and I’m still working on it. Radiation and “hybrids” genetically can explain why we look different from the “giants”. Maybe both reasons combined together changed us a lot from how we initially were and we kinda drifted away from how we originally looked like. I don’t think there were giants as tall as a mountain or a building like what some claim in the Alternative History.

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Maybe anons reading this are not that convinced with the radiation theory and that we = humans, mutated. Please take a good look at the infant human skull pictures I’ve attached wit this page. This is how our skulls look like when we are born, but we don’t see the double row of teeth. It’s soooo similar to the description given about the giant skeleton with a double row of teeth. But with humans, we lose one set of teeth which is replaced by the second set. What if this was a consequence of the radiation and we were not supposed to lose our first set of teeth? This opens the possibility of the radiation “theory” I’ve presented to anons to be correct, doesn’t it? Well, I will let you think about it and decide for yourselves. But for me, this is another link between us and the giant skeletons.

I guess now anons have a good idea how intertwined the subjects of radiation, giants, elongated skull, alien like skeletons and the Sebettis are. There is much much more digging to be done on this intertwined matter. A lot of exploring needs to be done in order to fully understand what really happened and why we = humans, look different from our original form and clan members. The chances are extremely high that we are the mutants; we are the ones whom changed because of the radiation and that our original form was very different. It’s not them whom look weird, it’s us whom look weird. It’s the other way around.

I also know for sure that the Bloodlines got (((their))) nasty little hands on the DNA of the Sebetti warriors from all clans. Why am I sure? I will say it again: it’s because of the Nazi super soldier idea. Where do you think these lunatics got the idea of creating the super soldier and the superior race from? = From the Sebetti warriors. The warriors are taller, stronger, faster, more agile, smarter and even handsomer than what a normal human is. Not to mention they have more Spiritual Power, which means they are more powerful in that way as well.

My biggest fear is if (((they))) got (((their))) nasty little dirty hands on Sebetti rulers DNA. If (((they))) got (((their))) hands on the DNA of any Sebetti ruler then you can bet (((they)))’ve been “playing” with that DNA and trying to recreate a deity like human = (((they))) might be trying to create a god; mostly if (((they))) got (((their))) hands of the DNA of the Evil Lady. IF (((they))) got (((their))) hands on her DNA, did (((they))) try to clone her? Did (((they))) try to inject her DNA and blend it with human DNA to create a new god? Just thinking about this gives me chills down my spine because it means bringing back to life one of the 2 Devils.

Is this what the Apocalypse was about? Is this what (((they))) were trying to do with the 16 years plan? Did (((they))) manage to clone the Evil Lady and (((they))) were planning to open the portal to bring back her Spirit? My thoughts are going in all directions about this one and each time I think about it, I end up with cold chills and a headache. Let’s just hope and pray the old man that I am has one big imagination and nothing of the sort happened; as in (((they))) didn’t get (((their))) hands on Sebetti ruler DNA.

This is where I’m going to stop for now about the giant skeletons. I will be retouching the issue each time I get additional information as I move forward in this thread. This is a work in progress since there are loads of digging tunnels to explore and work on which are still untouched. For now, please think about the stuff that I’ve said, even if it’s not too convincing for some, even if it’s a bit on the crazy, unbelievable side.

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>>16717185

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Picture of the pyramid in Kodiak Island, Alaska.

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>>16717188

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The next subject I want to talk about briefly, to bring attention to it, are the petroglyphs in Northern America, mostly the States. I’m going to take as quickly as possible a look at some of the known sites and put sample pictures for the readers. The rest, you can look up for it online.

https://www.gohawaii.com/content/hawaiian-petroglyphs#:~:text=Petroglyphs%2C%20or%20kii%20pohaku%2C%20are,who%20lived%20here%20long%20ago.

“Petroglyphs, or kii pohaku, are lava rock carvings etched into stone centuries ago by Native Hawaiians. Although the true meanings of the petroglyphs are unknown, it is generally thought these carvings are records of births and other significant events in the lives of the people who lived here long ago. See the carvings of human forms, canoes, turtles and others in the many captivating petroglyphs fields throughout the island of Hawaii.

Within Hawaii Volcanoes National Park at the coastal end of Chain of Craters Road you’ll discover the sacred Puuloa Petroglyphs, one of the largest petroglyph fields in Hawaii. You can see more than 23,000 images carved into the lava rock here, most before western contact in Hawaii. This 1.4 mile hike (round trip) is rated moderate. Be prepared for hot, dry, wet and windy weather conditions. Please stay on the boardwalk.

In the Kaloko-Honokohau National Historical Park located three miles north of Historic Kailua Village (Kailua-Kona) you can find many mysterious petroglyphs scattered throughout the 1160-acre park. This historic National Park is also the site of Hawaiian fishponds, kahua (house site platforms), a holua (stone slide) and heiau (temples).

Along the Kohala Coast, Puako Petroglyph Archaeological Preserve near Holoholokai Park at Mauna Lani Resort, features hundreds of petroglyphs. On the grounds of the Waikoloa Resort, Anaehoomalu Petroglyph Field is another great place to view well-preserved Hawaiian petroglyphs. Many of the petroglyph fields in this area reside on the Ala Kahakai Trail, also known as the King’s Trail, a 175-mile trail corridor full of historic sites including sacred heiau, Hawaiian fishponds and settlement ruins. For Waikoloa/Anaehoomalu petroglyphs, Kings' Shops offers free tours on Thursdays and Fridays at 9:30 a.m.”

>> This article is given us a good idea of the location of the petroglyphs in Hawaii = where to find them, how many of them there is and a general idea about the designs.

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The next petroglyph is rather interesting. It’s known as the Kachina Bridge petroglyph, in Utah: www.dinosaursandman.com/kachina-bridge-dinosaur.html

“The Kachina Bridge Dinosaur

Natural Bridges National Monument in southeast Utah is found at the junction of White Canyon and Armstrong Canyon, part of the Colorado River drainage. It contains the second largest natural bridge in the world, Sipapu, which is 268 feet long and 220 feet high. The Kachina Bridge is 210 feet high and 62 feet long, a real sight to see.

Upon a ledge inside the Kachina Bridge is a petroglyph which depicts a large dinosaur. Jan Cameron did an extensive rock art rubbing of the dinosaur image. She was commissioned by the Canadian government to do rock art rubbings on fossils because it picks up details that the human eye cannot otherwise see. Her scientific analysis shows that it is a dinosaur.

The image was made using a hammer stone and a deer antler tint. They would peck hundreds of holes to get the proper texture and create the images seen still today on these rock formations. This technique has been proven by using deer antler tints, USB portable microscopes (30x-90x), rock art rubbings, and multiple gauge tools.

I’m committed to the return of common sense. If you want to sprinkle academic goofy dust on it, you can make it into anything. But the peck marks, the outline, rock art rubbing, photographs all say it's a dinosaur. Some paleontologists suffer from paranoia because the dinosaur is a paleontologist's passport to paranoia, it is a pedestal smashing blow to evolution.

Polly Schfassma considered to be the world's foremost authority on rock art in the Southwest documented this in 1991. She drew the above image. She suffered from recording the obvious, which is unmistakable and cannot be denied: it's a dinosaur.

Some of compared it to Camasaurus. The Camasaurus had a striking toothy grin. The Indians incorporated a natural crevice in the rock that looks like teeth to give the dinosaur a toothy grin. Note the eye placement and chisel mark around the head. The top of the forehead is sloped just like the Camosaurus's head. Evolutionists believe this is a one of a kind mud glob rock formation with dimples like a golfball all over it which gives the illusion of a dinosaur.”

>> Well, if we listen to the Main Stream History this petroglyph ain’t a dinosaur but a smudge. The Main Stream History will never admit this is a petroglyph of a dinosaur. And like what we’ve seen with other artifacts projecting the similar idea of dinosaurs co-existed with humans, this is supposedly debunked by the Main Stream History and this petroglyph is considered as a fake or a hoax. The behavior is the same when it comes to the idea of dinosaurs co-existed with humans, regardless what and where the artifacts/evidence were found. This petroglyph should be added to the file of evidence of dinos and humans co-existing.

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Last set of petroglyphs I want to take a quick look at in the States are the petroglyphs of Sky Rock, in California: https://www.oceanlight.com/log/sky-rock-petroglyphs-volcanic-tablelands-bishop-california.html#:~:text=Hidden%20atop%20an%20enormous%20boulder,little%20is%20known%20about%20them.

“SKY ROCK PETROGLYPHS, VOLCANIC TABLELANDS, BISHOP, CALIFORNIA

Sierra Nevada

For some years I’ve wanted to see the Sky Rock Petroglyphs, a secluded and unusual set of petroglyphs located in the Volcanic Tablelands near Bishop, California. The Sky Rock Petroglyphs sit atop of an enormous volcanic block. The petroglyphs — dozens of them in many shapes and forms — face the sky, thus lending Sky Rock its name. My understanding is that Sky Rock’s orientation toward the heavens is unusual, but also curious is that this set of petroglyphs sits alone, isolated some 5+ miles from the rich Chalfant, Chidalgo and Red Rock petroglyph collections. Chipped into the rock, through the darker “desert varnish” that typically covers the exterior of such rocks, the Sky Rock Petroglyphs expose the lighter-colored rock underneath. The history of Sky Rock is not clear to me, although I have seen a number of published suggestions that the Sky Rock Petroglyphs were perhaps created by ancestors of what are today known as the Owens Valley Paiute (or Shoshone-Paiute) people.”

>> Take a look at the mountains close to the petroglyphs anons. I have a big smile on my face. What are the odds there is an Ark in the vicinity? Also, we have a nice short list here with other sites where there are petroglyphs in the States for anons whom are interested in this type of research.

“Sky Rock petroglyphs near Bishop, California, sunrise light just touching clouds and the Sierra Nevada. Hidden atop an enormous boulder in the Volcanic Tablelands lies Sky Rock, a set of petroglyphs that face the sky. These superb examples of native American petroglyph artwork are thought to be Paiute in origin, but little is known about them.”

>> Nice picture and nice comments in this article. But I don’t agree these petroglyphs are ALL left by the Native Americans. Maybe some were, but others were much much older than anyone can think of.

“Sky Rock is a special place, indeed. It was fascinating to see it firsthand and consider the artist who, probably many hundreds of years ago, composed the intricate petroglyph forms. While looking at it we realized very few, if any, of the shapes were recognizable. In the way that other famous artists in history have done, Sky Rock’s talented creator produced a work that captivates and intrigues and will outlive him for centuries – a distinction that most artists (and photographers) hope to achieve.”

>> This is not art work; the petroglyphs are records, historical records.

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>>16717218

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When it comes to the Atlantic Ocean, I started with taking a look at the underwater area around Africa. I found some odd shapes like squares and rectangles, but the image was terribly blurry for most of them.

Two places stood out, but I’m unable to make any sense of them. I hope the readers can help by commenting or giving their opinions about then since I don’t know if these are natural formation, old structures or modern day structures. If those are modern day structures, then it raises loads of questions what they could be and what is their purpose in such deep waters.

Maybe it’s a simple rock formation at the bottom of the ocean, maybe it’s not. I don’t know. I will let you make up your mind about this. I’m simply curious.

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I have no idea what these could be. They look like some sort of pipes, but then again, I might be totally wrong. Seems like they are modern day structure though, not ancient.

Any suggestions anyone?

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I have also found online an interesting theory about Atlantis being found underwater at the north-west of Ireland. I tried to look at the maps myself but found nothing.

https://www.irelandbeforeyoudie.com/atlantis-found-new-findings-suggest-lost-city-is-just-off-irelands-west-coast/#:~:text=Historical%20research%20suggests%20the%20Lost,Frisland%27%20in%20the%20North%20Atlantic

“Historical research suggests the Lost City of Atlantis has been under our noses all along….just off the West Coast of Ireland.

A number of maps studied over a one hundred year time frame from 1550 all show an island referred to as ‘Frisland’ in the North Atlantic.

On maps after this period the island appears to vanish, suggesting it was the mythical kingdom of Atlantis.

Ancient history writer and geologist, Matt Sibson, told the Daily Star Online, “It was shown in so many maps in the 16th and 17th century and then it disappeared – it can’t be a mistake.

“It is located northwest of Ireland and there are a number of smaller islands around it.

“And it can still be seen on modern mapping tools under the sea, close to the Faroe Islands.

“It ticks a lot of boxes in terms of location, the fact that it is sunk and was above sea-level at one time.”

Plato’s writings

Plato wrote the story of Atlantis around 360 BC. He described it as a Utopia populated with half-god/half-human civilians.

He referred to the Kingdom as existing a further 9,000 years before him, lush with exotic wildlife and precious metals like gold and silver.

The view from a geologist

But Plato’s story is the only solid evidence to suggest Atlantis was ever real with many historians believing it a mythical land created from the author’s imagination.”

>> This is not accurate. It's been postulated that the Library of Alexandria had records of Atlantis, but alas, all the records were burned, supposedly that is. It’s been a while that I’m really doubting the library burned.

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There seem to be some “sunken” pyramids in the Atlantic Ocean, located near the island of Cuba. So let’s take a look what this is about: https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/what-happened-sunken-city-cuba-001883

“UPDATED 22 JULY, 2014 - 13:56 APRILHOLLOWAY

What Happened to the Sunken City of Cuba?

Just over a decade ago, a team of explorers were working on an exploration and survey mission off the western coast of Cuba when their sonar equipment picked up a perplexing series of stone structures lying some 650 metres below the surface. The structures appeared completely analogous against the barren ‘desert’ of the ocean floor and seemed to show symmetrically organized stones reminiscent of an urban development. A media flurry soon ensued with news sites sporting headlines such as ‘Atlantis Discovered in Cuba’ and ‘Lost City of the Caribbean Found’. However, the finding also attracted the attention of the government, national museum, and national geographic, who all made promises to investigate the strange sonar images. Now, ten years on, the story has disappeared into obscurity. What ever happened to the sunken ‘ruins’ of Cuba? Were they ever fully investigated? And why has the media fallen silent on this unusual discovery?”

>> Is anyone reading truly surprised by how the Main Stream Media and the “experts” all behaved when this discovery was made public?

“The discovery was first made in 2001 when Pauline Zalitzki, a marine engineer, and her husband Paul Weinzweig, owners of a Canadian company called Advanced Digital Communications (ADC), were working on a survey mission in conjunction with the Cuban government off the tip of the Guanahacabibes Peninsula in the Pinar del Río Province of Cuba. ADC was one of four firms working in a joint venture with President Fidel Castro's government to explore Cuban waters, which hold hundreds of treasure-laden ships from the Spanish colonial era. The team was using advanced sonar equipment to scan a 2 square kilometre area of the sea floor when they noticed a series of symmetrical and geometric stone structures resembling an urban complex.”

>> Ever wondered why the Cuban island and the Castro regime were “isolated” for so long? What was really going on there? Is it as simple as fighting a communist regime? Or was there something else that we shouldn’t be aware of?

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“Upon studying the sonar images, Zalitzki observed what appeared to be unusual formations of smooth blocks, crests, and geometric shapes. Some of the blocks looked like they were built in pyramid shapes, others were circular.

In July 2001, they returned to the site with geologist Manuel Iturralde, senior researcher of Cuba's Natural History Museum, this time equipped with a Remotely Operated Vehicle to examine and film the structures. The images revealed large blocks of stone resembling hewn granite, measuring about 8 feet by 10 feet. Some blocks appeared deliberately stacked atop one another, others appeared isolated from the rest. Zalitzki said that the images appeared to reflect the ruins of a submerged city but was reluctant to draw any conclusions without further evidence.

“These are extremely peculiar structures, and they have captured our imagination,” said Iturralde, who has studied countless underwater formations. “But if I had to explain this geologically, I would have a hard time.”

Estimating that it would have taken 50,000 years for such structures to have sunken to the depth at which they were said to be found, Iturralde added "50,000 years ago there wasn't the architectural capacity in any of the cultures we know of to build complex buildings." A specialist in underwater archaeology at Florida State University added "It would be cool if they were right, but it would be real advanced for anything we would see in the New World for that time frame. The structures are out of time and out of place."

>> That is if we don’t know about the Cataclysm and we don’t know about an ancient and lost civilization, then yeah, if you follow the Main Stream History narrative, these structures near Cuba would be out of time and out of place.

“In the media storm that followed the announcement of the discovery, news sites were quick to draw parallels with the fabled lost city of Atlantis. However, Zelitsky and Weinzweig were unwilling to make such comparisons. The story is myth, said Zelitsky. "What we have found is more likely remnants of a local culture," once located on a 100-mile "land bridge" that joined Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula with Cuba. Iturralde added that there are local legends of the Maya and native Yucatecos that tell of an island inhabited by their ancestors that vanished beneath the waves. Nevertheless, Iturralde does not discount the possibility that the rock formations are merely the result of the wonders of Mother Nature. “Nature is able to create some really unimaginable structures,” he said.”

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“Despite hundreds of media outlets reporting on sunken cities, advanced civilizations, the lost city of Atlantis, and submerged ruins, there are others who are not so willing to accept this point of view. Keith Fitzpatrick-Matthews from the debunking website Bad Archaeology, claimed that the depth of the alleged remains are the biggest problem for the sunken city proponents. During the Pleistocene, which was characterised by a series of ice ages, sea levels dropped significantly, but the maximum drop was around 100 metres.

“At no point during the Ice Age would it have been above sea level unless, of course, the land on which they stand has sunk. This is the claim made for Atlantis: according to Plato’s account, it was destroyed “by violent earthquakes and floods”. However, if we take Plato at his word – as we must if we assume Atlantis to have been an historical place – the violence of its sinking makes it improbable that an entire city could have survived plunging more than 600 m into an abyss,” writes Fitzpatrick-Matthews.”

>> This is not the city of Atlantis, this is another city/structure sunk because of the Cataclysm, which included an Ice Age, land sinking, volcanic eruption, a flood and earth splitting earthquakes, etc.

“If we assume that he is right and that these stone structures do not reflect an ancient submerged city but are simply products of nature, then surely geologists and other scientists would be quick to jump on the finding and investigate what freakish event of nature caused such peculiar formations. Strangely, however, there have been no reported follow-up investigations and news outlets have gone deathly silent on the matter. What happened to all the promises from the government, national museum, National Geographic, and other scientists to carry out further surveys?

The quick dismissal of the story has led some to question whether there has been a suppression of information regarding the finding. However, Fitzpatrick-Matthews claims the story simply went cold and that in the end experts were not convinced that Zelitsky had really discovered a sunken city.”

>> The MSM and the Academic world gave this discovery the “cold shoulder” because they were ordered to. Both of them protect the narrative their (((masters))) want to peddle forward. If these images are true, authentic, then these are not rock formations but a sunken city which used to belong to the lost, ancient Civilization we call Atlantis. This is not the City of Atlantis itself, but it was part of that civilization. Remember what we have found out about Atlantis = it was an empire/kingdom with a territory which the land of Ancient Egypt was part of.

I think the idea is clear for anons that some structures possibly belonging to a lost, ancient civilization were found close to Cuba, but underwater. And the issue was totally ignored by the media and the “experts” = it’s to cover the truth and not expose the lies inside History. This is it for this subject. Just having a quick idea about it is enough for this thread because such structures (if they are real) are proof of not just the existence of an ancient lost civilization but also are evidence of the Cataclysm occurring. Such cities and structures are not underwater because of climate change. Something devastating happened and the geology and geography of the earth totally changed. Such sites may hold trace of the Cataclysm = physical evidence of how devastating it was. Pompeii is a good example how devastation can leave traces on cities/villages.

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Next I’m going to take a look at something peculiar; it’s the Bermuda triangle and all the “myths” or should I say the “urban legends” about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_Triangle

“The Bermuda Triangle, also known as the Devil's Triangle, is a loosely defined region in the western part of the North Atlantic Ocean where a number of aircraft and ships are said to have disappeared under mysterious circumstances. The idea of the area as uniquely prone to disappearances arose in the mid-20th century, but most reputable sources dismiss the idea that there is any mystery.”

>> Where are Sherlock Holmes and Agatha Christie? We have a grand mystery on our hands here. When reading this, what caught your attention anons? =

1 - It’s called the Devil’s Triangle….why is that?

2 - Aircrafts and ships have mysteriously disappeared in that area, mostly during the middle of the 20th century. Why did those vessels disappeared like that?

“Origins

The earliest suggestion of unusual disappearances in the Bermuda area appeared in a September 17, 1950, article published in The Miami Herald (Associated Press) by Edward Van Winkle Jones. Two years later, Fate magazine published "Sea Mystery at Our Back Door", a short article by George Sand covering the loss of several planes and ships, including the loss of Flight 19, a group of five US Navy Grumman TBM Avenger torpedo bombers on a training mission. Sand's article was the first to lay out the now-familiar triangular area where the losses took place, as well as the first to suggest a supernatural element to the Flight 19 incident. Flight 19 alone would be covered again in the April 1962 issue of American Legion magazine. In it, author Allan W. Eckert wrote that the flight leader had been heard saying, "We are entering white water, nothing seems right. We don't know where we are, the water is green, no white." He also wrote that officials at the Navy board of inquiry stated that the planes "flew off to Mars."

In February 1964, Vincent Gaddis wrote an article called "The Deadly Bermuda Triangle" in the pulp magazine Argosy saying Flight 19 and other disappearances were part of a pattern of strange events in the region.The next year, Gaddis expanded this article into a book, Invisible Horizons.

Other writers elaborated on Gaddis' ideas: John Wallace Spencer (Limbo of the Lost, 1969, repr. 1973); Charles Berlitz (The Bermuda Triangle, 1974);[12] Richard Winer (The Devil's Triangle, 1974), and many others, all keeping to some of the same supernatural elements outlined by Eckert.”

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“Triangle area

The Gaddis Argosy article delineated the boundaries of the triangle, giving its vertices as Miami; San Juan, Puerto Rico; and Bermuda. Subsequent writers did not necessarily follow this definition. Some writers gave different boundaries and vertices to the triangle, with the total area varying from 1,300,000 to 3,900,000 km2 (500,000 to 1,510,000 sq mi). "Indeed, some writers even stretch it as far as the Irish coast." Consequently, the determination of which accidents occurred inside the triangle depends on which writer reported them.”

>> Where was Epstein’s island located again? I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

“Criticism of the concept

Larry Kusche

Larry Kusche, author of The Bermuda Triangle Mystery: Solved (1975), argued that many claims of Gaddis and subsequent writers were exaggerated, dubious or unverifiable. Kusche's research revealed a number of inaccuracies and inconsistencies between Berlitz's accounts and statements from eyewitnesses, participants, and others involved in the initial incidents. Kusche noted cases where pertinent information went unreported, such as the disappearance of round-the-world yachtsman Donald Crowhurst, which Berlitz had presented as a mystery, despite clear evidence to the contrary. Another example was the ore-carrier recounted by Berlitz as lost without trace three days out of an Atlantic port when it had been lost three days out of a port with the same name in the Pacific Ocean. Kusche also argued that a large percentage of the incidents that sparked allegations of the Triangle's mysterious influence actually occurred well outside it. Often his research was simple: he would review period newspapers of the dates of reported incidents and find reports on possibly relevant events like unusual weather, that were never mentioned in the disappearance stories.

Kusche concluded that:

• The number of ships and aircraft reported missing in the area was not significantly greater, proportionally speaking, than in any other part of the ocean.

• In an area frequented by tropical cyclones, the number of disappearances that did occur were, for the most part, neither disproportionate, unlikely, nor mysterious.

• Furthermore, Berlitz and other writers would often fail to mention such storms or even represent the disappearance as having happened in calm conditions when meteorological records clearly contradict this.

• The numbers themselves had been exaggerated by sloppy research. A boat's disappearance, for example, would be reported, but its eventual (if belated) return to port may not have been.

• Some disappearances had, in fact, never happened. One plane crash was said to have taken place in 1937, off Daytona Beach, Florida, in front of hundreds of witnesses; a check of the local papers revealed nothing.

• The legend of the Bermuda Triangle is a manufactured mystery, perpetuated by writers who either purposely or unknowingly made use of misconceptions, faulty reasoning, and sensationalism.

In a 2013 study, the World Wide Fund for Nature identified the world's 10 most dangerous waters for shipping, but the Bermuda Triangle was not among them.”

>> For those interested in this type of research and want to solve the mystery, you should start by checking out the background of Kusche and then if the disappearances truly happened as reported, or if he was right and most are exaggerated.

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“Hypothetical explanations attempts

Persons accepting the Bermuda Triangle as a real phenomenon have offered a number of explanatory approaches.

Paranormal explanations

Triangle writers have used a number of supernatural concepts to explain the events. One explanation pins the blame on leftover technology from the mythical lost continent of Atlantis. Sometimes connected to the Atlantis story is the submerged rock formation known as the Bimini Road off the island of Bimini in the Bahamas, which is in the Triangle by some definitions. Followers of the purported psychic Edgar Cayce take his prediction that evidence of Atlantis would be found in 1968, as referring to the discovery of the Bimini Road. Believers describe the formation as a road, wall, or other structure, but the Bimini Road is of natural origin.”

>> See how this is worded = to ridicule those whom research this. We’ve seen this before with other subjects which (((they))) don’t want us to look into.

“Some hypothesize that a parallel universe exists in the Bermuda Triangle region, causing a time/space warp that sucks the objects around it into a parallel universe. Others attribute the events to UFOs. Charles Berlitz, author of various books on anomalous phenomena, lists several theories attributing the losses in the Triangle to anomalous or unexplained forces.”

>> Are they suggesting there is a spacio-temporal distortion or a stargate in the triangle area?

“Natural explanations

Compass variations

Compass problems are one of the cited phrases in many Triangle incidents. While some have theorized that unusual local magnetic anomalies may exist in the area, such anomalies have not been found. Compasses have natural magnetic variations in relation to the magnetic poles, a fact which navigators have known for centuries. Magnetic (compass) north and geographic (true) north are exactly the same only for a small number of places – for example, as of 2000, in the United States, only those places on a line running from Wisconsin to the Gulf of Mexico. But the public may not be as informed, and think there is something mysterious about a compass "changing" across an area as large as the Triangle, which it naturally will.”

>> The important part here is that there is electro-magnetic interference or irregularity in the triangle zone. It is important to highlight and take notes of this.

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“Gulf Stream

The Gulf Stream is a major surface current, primarily driven by thermohaline circulation that originates in the Gulf of Mexico and then flows through the Straits of Florida into the North Atlantic. In essence, it is a river within an ocean, and, like a river, it can and does carry floating objects. It has a maximum surface velocity of about 2 m/s (6.6 ft/s). A small plane making a water landing or a boat having engine trouble can be carried away from its reported position by the current.”

>> Yeah, right! And I’m the tooth fairy.

“Human error

One of the most cited explanations in official inquiries as to the loss of any aircraft or vessel is human error. Human stubbornness may have caused businessman Harvey Conover to lose his sailing yacht, Revonoc, as he sailed into the teeth of a storm south of Florida on January 1, 1958.”

>> It would be human error if it happens a couple of times, 3 at most. But it’s not like that when it happened a large number of times for a very long time.

“Violent weather

Hurricanes are powerful storms that form in tropical waters and have historically cost thousands of lives and caused billions of dollars in damage. The sinking of Francisco de Bobadilla's Spanish fleet in 1502 was the first recorded instance of a destructive hurricane. These storms have in the past caused a number of incidents related to the Triangle. Many Atlantic hurricanes pass through the Triangle as they recurve off the Eastern Seaboard, and, before the advent of weather satellite, ships often had little to no warning of a hurricane's approach.

A powerful downdraft of cold air was suspected to be a cause in the sinking of Pride of Baltimore on May 14, 1986. The crew of the sunken vessel noted the wind suddenly shifted and increased velocity from 32 km/h (20 mph) to 97–145 km/h (60–90 mph). A National Hurricane Center satellite specialist, James Lushine, stated "during very unstable weather conditions the downburst of cold air from aloft can hit the surface like a bomb, exploding outward like a giant squall line of wind and water." A similar event occurred to Concordia in 2010, off the coast of Brazil. Scientists are currently investigating whether "hexagonal" clouds may be the source of these up-to-170 mph (270 km/h) "air bombs".

Methane hydrates

An explanation for some of the disappearances has focused on the presence of large fields of methane hydrates (a form of natural gas) on the continental shelves. Laboratory experiments carried out in Australia have proven that bubbles can, indeed, sink a scale model ship by decreasing the density of the water; any wreckage consequently rising to the surface would be rapidly dispersed by the Gulf Stream. It has been hypothesized that periodic methane eruptions (sometimes called "mud volcanoes") may produce regions of frothy water that are no longer capable of providing adequate buoyancy for ships. If this were the case, such an area forming around a ship could cause it to sink very rapidly and without warning.

Publications by the USGS describe large stores of undersea hydrates worldwide, including the Blake Ridge area, off the coast of the southeastern United States. However, according to the USGS, no large releases of gas hydrates are believed to have occurred in the Bermuda Triangle for the past 15,000 years.”

>> LoL! Nothing close to it happened for the past 15 000 years and yet, this is pushed forward as an explanation. (((They))) surely are going out of (((their))) way to provide ANY explanation to divert the attention from the Bermuda triangle.

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“Notable incidents

HMS Atalanta

The sail training ship HMS Atalanta (originally named HMS Juno) disappeared with her entire crew after setting sail from the Royal Naval Dockyard, Bermuda for Falmouth, England on 31 January 1880. It was presumed that she sank in a powerful storm which crossed her route a couple of weeks after she sailed, and that her crew being composed primarily of inexperienced trainees may have been a contributing factor. The search for evidence of her fate attracted worldwide attention at the time (connection is also often made to the 1878 loss of the training ship HMS Eurydice, which foundered after departing the Royal Naval Dockyard in Bermuda for Portsmouth on 6 March), and she was alleged decades later to have been a victim of the mysterious triangle, an allegation resoundingly refuted by the research of author David Francis Raine in 1997.”

>> So it’s not certain if HMS Atalanta disappeared in the zone of the Bermuda triangle.

“USS Cyclops

The incident resulting in the single largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy not related to combat occurred when the collier Cyclops, carrying a full load of manganese ore and with one engine out of action, went missing without a trace with a crew of 309 sometime after March 4, 1918, after departing the island of Barbados. Although there is no strong evidence for any single theory, many independent theories exist, some blaming storms, some capsizing, and some suggesting that wartime enemy activity was to blame for the loss. In addition, two of Cyclops's sister ships, Proteus and Nereus were subsequently lost in the North Atlantic during World War II. Both ships were transporting heavy loads of metallic ore similar to that which was loaded on Cyclops during her fatal voyage. In all three cases structural failure due to overloading with a much denser cargo than designed is considered the most likely cause of sinking.”

>> Yes, the metal load seems to have played a role here, but not the one cited. Manganese is paramagnetic, so it ALLOWS magnetic force lines through it but it cannot create a magnetic field. Manganese removes oxygen and sulfur when iron ore (an iron and oxygen compound) is converted into iron. It also is an essential alloy that helps convert iron into steel. Interesting information about Manganese, isn’t it anons?

“Carroll A. Deering

Carroll A. Deering, a five-masted schooner built in 1919, was found hard aground and abandoned at Diamond Shoals, near Cape Hatteras, North Carolina, on January 31, 1921. FBI investigation into the Deering scrutinized, then ruled out, multiple theories as to why and how the ship was abandoned, including piracy, domestic Communist sabotage and the involvement of rum-runners.”

>> Sounds like this has nothing to do with the Bermuda triangle from what is written here? Those whom are interested should check out these cases named here very carefully and study the path of the ships to verify if they had sailed through the Bermuda triangle or not.

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“Flight 19

Flight 19 was a training flight of five TBM Avenger torpedo bombers that disappeared on December 5, 1945, while over the Atlantic. The squadron's flight plan was scheduled to take them due east from Fort Lauderdale for 141 mi (227 km), north for 73 mi (117 km), and then back over a final 140-mile (230-kilometre) leg to complete the exercise. The flight never returned to base. The disappearance was attributed by Navy investigators to navigational error leading to the aircraft running out of fuel.

One of the search and rescue aircraft deployed to look for them, a PBM Mariner with a 13-man crew, also disappeared. A tanker off the coast of Florida reported seeing an explosion and observing a widespread oil slick when fruitlessly searching for survivors. The weather was becoming stormy by the end of the incident. According to contemporaneous sources the Mariner had a history of explosions due to vapour leaks when heavily loaded with fuel, as it might have been for a potentially long search-and-rescue operation.”

>> Sounds like it was attacked.

“Star Tiger and Star Ariel

G-AHNP Star Tiger disappeared on January 30, 1948, on a flight from the Azores to Bermuda; G-AGRE Star Ariel disappeared on January 17, 1949, on a flight from Bermuda to Kingston, Jamaica. Both were Avro Tudor IV passenger aircraft operated by British South American Airways. Both planes were operating at the very limits of their range and the slightest error or fault in the equipment could keep them from reaching the small island.

Douglas DC-3

On December 28, 1948, a Douglas DC-3 aircraft, number NC16002, disappeared while on a flight from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to Miami. No trace of the aircraft, or the 32 people on board, was ever found. A Civil Aeronautics Board investigation found there was insufficient information available on which to determine probable cause of the disappearance.

Connemara IV

A pleasure yacht was found adrift in the Atlantic south of Bermuda on September 26, 1955; it is usually stated in the stories (Berlitz, Winer) that the crew vanished while the yacht survived being at sea during three hurricanes. The 1955 Atlantic hurricane season shows Hurricane Ione passing nearby between 14 and 18 September, with Bermuda being affected by winds of almost gale force. In his second book on the Bermuda Triangle, Winer quoted from a letter he had received from Mr J.E. Challenor of Barbados:”

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“To tow it back with Ellen Austin, the captain placed a prize crew on the ship, set to sail together. However, after two days of sail on calm waters, a squall separated the path of the two ships, following which the derelict vanished.

Days after the storm, according to the stories, Captain Baker’s lookout could spot the vessel through his spyglass only to realise the vessel drifting far away aimlessly once again. Finally, after hours of effort, Ellen Austin could catch up with the vessel.

But, strangely, no one was on board. However, another version of the story suggests a second attempt by Baker to bring her back to land but ended with the same fate before Ellen Austin before abandoning the cursed vessel.

Other reports suggest that the derelict was once more spotted but this time had a separate crew than the prize crew placed on it by Ellen Austin.

The ship’s disappearance, reappearance, and the prize crew’s absence is an intriguing story. It is more like a secret of the Bermuda triangle, one that has seemingly no chances of being unravelled anytime soon.”

>> This is really odd.

“3. USS Cyclops

The disappearance of USS Cyclops, one of the Navy’s biggest fuel ships, marks the largest loss of life in the history of the US Navy in a single incident.

In March 1918, this massive ship set out to sail from Brazil to Baltimore through the Bermuda region carrying 10,800 tons of manganese ore with about 309 crew members on board. Setting off on a fairly good day, this ship’s first and only message indicated no sort of troubles.

However, the ship was never heard from again. An entire search of the area was put into action, but nothing was ever found. No remains of the ship or any crew members aboard have ever been found. The captain of the USS Cyclops never sent a distress signal, and no one aboard responded to radio calls from other vessels in the vicinity.

The naval investigators also failed to find a definite cause for its disappearance though there were a number of theories suggesting various reasons.

Due to its mysterious disappearance, Cyclops has become part of the list of more than 100 ships and planes to have vanished under strange circumstances in the Bermuda triangle.”

>> The cargo of the Cyclops was notable. Maybe it was targeted.

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“4. Carroll A. Deering

Carroll A. Deering, a five-masted commercial schooner, is one of the most written-about maritime mysteries of the 20th century due to the complete mystery around its abandonment.

On January 31, 1921, Carroll A. Deering was found hard aground on the treacherous rocks of Hatteras Diamond Shoals, North Carolina. There were speculations that the vessel was involved in rum-running.

However, when the investigation team from Barbados reached the vessel after days of effort in the rough sea, what they found was a deserted ship with all crew members missing along with the crew’s personal belongings, ships navigational equipment, logbooks, and life rafts, among others.”

>> So this time around, they took everything along with them. It’s like somebody took everything that might be useful and valuable along with the crew.

“Often knows as “Ghost Ship of the Outer Banks”, the disappearance of Carroll A. Deering along with few other vessels during the same time period in the Bermuda triangle area has been valuable information on the mysterious waters, but nothing could bring anyone any closer to solving this mystery.

Reports suggest that as many as nine vessels disappeared during this period from the same region- none of which was ever heard from again.

5. Witchcraft

On December 22, 1967, a cabin cruiser named witchcraft left Miami with her captain Dan Burack and his friend, Father Patrick Horgan.

The two gentlemen’s journey on the 23-foot luxury yacht was to enjoy the wonderful view of Miami’s Christmas lights. However, after reaching just one mile from offshore, the coast guard received a call from the captain stating that his ship had hit something, but there was no substantial damage.”

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There are many theories, alternative theories, about the Bermuda triangle’s strange events. I’m going to put 2 of them which seem the most logical or most likely to me.

The first possibility is the presence of an “alien” ship sunken there: https://www.india.com/news/world/alien-spaceship-in-bermuda-triangle-says-discovery-channel-treasure-hunter-3214305/

““Alien Spaceship in Bermuda Triangle, Says Discovery Channel Treasure Hunter

New Delhi, Aug 9: Explorer Darrell Miklos has recently made a discovery of what he claims to be the first concrete evidence of extra-terrestrial visit known to humanity. The Bermuda triangle has once again hit the headlines as Darrel Miklos discovered unidentified-submerged-objects which are of the size of a football field in the Bermuda Triangle. The discovery “will shock the world”, claims explorer Miklos who found them while on his Discovery Channel’s treasure hunt show ‘Cooper’s Treasure’.

Using secret maps created by famed NASA astronaut Gordon Cooper, Miklos was on a mission to research the shipwrecks in the Caribbean when he and his team stumbled upon the “large obtrusion” near the Bahamas in the Bermuda Triangle. “It was a formation unlike anything I’ve ever seen related to shipwreck material, it was too big for that. It was also something that was completely different from anything that I’ve seen that was made by nature,” recalls Miklos.

Miklos refers the obtrusion to the horizontal cylinder structures emerging out of a sort of a dome. These structures were found to be capable of expanding up to 300 feet, which is equivalent to a length of a US football field.

Geophysicists on the team claimed that the corals that covered the entire structure were apparently more than 5000 years old. The strange part is that it is being deemed impossible by the experts for the corals to grow at all at a location with such extreme currents. The scientists on the team were baffled because the extreme currents at the location made it impossible for corals in any part of the world to form and grow naturally. They hinted at the possibility of an underlying structure to support the growth.”

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The second possibility is about claims of finding crystal pyramids which generate trememdous amount of energy in the Bermuda triangle area. Let’s do some reading about this matter: https://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2022/05/bermuda-triangle-crystal-pyramids-in-the-bermuda-triangle-video-2557396.html

“Bermuda Triangle: Crystal Pyramids in the Bermuda Triangle (video)

Wednesday, May 4, 2022 16:24

With the use of sonar, oceanographer Dr. Meyer Verlag discovered giant glass pyramids at a depth of two-thousand meters. The use of other devices have allowed scientists to determine that these glass giants are both made of a crystal-like substance, and are nearly 3 times bigger than the pyramid of Cheops in Egypt.

Dr. Verlag believes that further investigation into the secrets in the the pyramids center could reveal more information regarding the cases of mysterious disappearances associated with the Bermuda Triangle.

In a press conference held in the Bahamas, the scientist presented a report with the exact coordinates of the pyramids, and made note that the technology at use is unknown to modern science.

A more detailed study may bring results that are difficult for us to imagine. Who knows what will be discovered about these underwater architectural anomalies – perhaps something of shocking significance.

Built on Land – Lost During Last Pole Shift?

There are several Western scholars who argue that the pyramid on the seabed may have been initially made on the mainland, after which a devastating earthquake struck and changed the landscape completely.”

>> Oh I totally agree with this part.

“Other scientists argue that a few hundred years ago the waters of the Bermuda Triangle area may have as one of the cornerstone activities of the people of Atlantis, and Pyramids on the sea floor may be a supply warehouse for them.”

>> My eyes are filled with tears from laughter.

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“The Bermuda Triangle is a mythical section of the Atlantic Ocean roughly bounded by Miami, Bermuda and Puerto Rico where dozens of ships and airplanes have disappeared.

A more detailed study over time will give results that are difficult to imagine. Scientists have processed all of the data and concluded that the surface is perfectly smooth for it to look like glass or ice. The size of the pyramids are nearly three times the size of the pyramids of Cheops.”

>> I’m not surprised to hear that the surface of this underwater pyramid is smooth and looks like glass. The readers shouldn’t forget that the pyramids of Giza have lost their outer casing which should have been a smooth surface, acting like a mirror reflecting the light. We’ve already talked about this on pages 164 – 165, while taking a look at the pyramids in Giza. The pyramids in Giza were battered really hard by the elements and time, so they got damaged and lost their outer casing. Seems like it’s not the case with the underwater pyramid of the Bermuda triangle; that is, if it really exists there.

“This news was sensational, and was discussed at a conference in Florida and even reported to local Florida newspapers.. The journalists present in it, have a lot of pictures and high resolution computerized data, which show three-dimensional pyramids perfectly smooth, without being covered with a surface free of debris or algae or cracks Pyramid.

Discovery Challenges Current Archaelogical Theory

A gigantic structure, initially identified by a doctor in the 1960s, has recently been independently verified by diving teams from France and the U.S.

The discovery has rocked scientists around the world. Will they rush to investigate it? No, they’re more likely to studiously ignore it. If pressed, they’ll officially position themselves as highly skeptical—especially in light of the potential ramifications.

The pyramid could confirm some engineers’ contentions that pyramids were originally created as massive power sources, support the claim that the ancient city-state of Atlantis did exist, or even provide answers to the mysterious goings-on that have been recorded since the 19th Century in the region of the Atlantic dubbed the Bermuda Triangle.

First discovered in 1968

According to the history, the pyramid was accidentally discovered during 1968 by a doctor of naturopathy, Ray Brown of Mesa, Arizona.

Brown was in the Caribbean on vacation and making dives with friends in a region off the Bahamas known as “the Tongue of the Ocean.” The area acquired that name because a tongue-shaped portion of the seabed extends out from the island before sharply dropping off into much greater depths.”

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“When relating his discovery, the doctor explained he became separated from his diving friends underwater. While attempting to rejoin them he came upon a massive structure rising from the ocean floor: a black, hulking object silhouetted against the lighter sun-filtered water. The object was shaped like a pyramid.

Because he was low on air, he didn’t spend much time investigating the pyramid, but did find a strange crystal sphere.

He brought it to the surface with him and later when the ancient crystal was studied researchers were astonished by its properties.”

>> This is an interesting new detail. So a spherical artifact was brought back to the surface which was made of crystal. Where is that sphere? Are there pictures of it? Whom is studying it? Any information about it published?

“Properties of Crystal Pyramids

Some theories of Atlantis propose the island city’s power pyramids were made of crystal, or their tops were capped with a crystalline substance.

Could such a thing actually generate, store, and distribute energy on demand? Yes.

Experimenters discovered decades ago that pyramids do tend to act in some ways like a natural electrical capacitor gathering and storing energy around them. The larger the pyramid, the greater the capacity of gathering and storing energy. A pyramid’s composition is important too. Having one made of crystal, or an apex made of crystal, could vastly increase its power.”

>> We’ve already talked about the pyramids generating electricity in this thread, but we didn’t see the idea of “storing” that energy in pyramids. If this turns out to be correct, then the pyramids don’t just emit electricity, but also work as a huge battery.

“Crystal has long been known to have energy applications and exhibits natural piezoelectrical properties.

In 2012, a strange conspiracy theory emerged, suggesting that a huge crystal pyramid lies 2,000 metres below the Bermuda Triangle.”

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>> I’m not convinced at all with this possibility because we know of those weather modification/control machines the Bloodlines had for some time now. Another point which didn’t convince me about this possibility is the state in which the ships were found = barely any damage or no damage at all. If there were crazy winds out there and/or a storm cause by these crazy air bombs, wouldn’t the ships, mostly in older times, be a mess, a total mess? Not to mention it would be terribly dangerous to go on a life boat in such terribly weather conditions; I mean isn’t it safer to be on a large boat when there are crazy winds out there instead of being in a small one? I’m not convinced at all with this possibility.

I’m more convinced there is an electro-magnetic occurrence in the Bermuda triangle zone. It doesn’t matter for me if there is a sunken Atlantean ship emitting that electro-magnetic energy or if it’s a huge crystal pyramid. Either one have the potential of emitting that energy and I believe this is what’s affecting the compass of all the vessels. But this doesn’t explain the disappearance of the people on board, while some of the vessels were found in an almost intact state.

As for the crystal pyramid, I don’t know why, but I keep on remember the Fortress of Solitude from Superman, comics. When you look at it, despite being made of irregular form, the Fortress of Superman has the general shape of a pyramid; a pyramid made of big pieces of crystals. So I’m wondering if this is not a Hollywood projection of the crystal pyramid supposedly at the bottom of the Bermuda triangle.

It doesn’t stop there in the movie; we also see the crystals playing other roles, like the scene where it acts like a communication device or it was used to record and store data and messages from Superman’s father, pretty much like how we use a portable memory stick nowadays. It was also used as a chamber (=made of crystals) when superman was stripped of his powers in the Fortress of Solitude. At last, there was one type of crystal which was different = harmful, to Superman, the green colored one also known as Kryptonite. It’s the only thing that can kill him, which is indicating 2 things:

1 – Not all crystals are good for humans, some are bad as in harmful.

2 – The Bloodlines knew of the properties of these crystals, as in some are good for humans and some are harmful to them.

It’s an interesting idea isn’t it anons? How much in the movie was based on reality and what was found = discovered by the Bloodlines about these crystals and the pyramids. It’s highly possible the crystal pyramid at the bottom of the Bermuda triangle, if it exists, it can STORE energy = since storing is one of the properties of these crystals….I guess it all depends on which type of crystal it is.

One last comment: Epstein’s island is not that far away from the Bermuda triangle. Why on earth would (((they))) choose that specific location to build (((their))) damned little temple and practice (((their))) sick and disgusting cult in such a place? It’s not just because it was a remote place, but could it be it’s because it was near = close to the Bermuda triangle? All of the people sacrificed there, what happened to their spiritual energy? What happened to their souls? Were (((they))) store or captured in crystals?

I want to point about information of the existence of a cave with crystals in it, deep underground on Epstein Island. An anon mentioned it, but it needs verification and tangible proof to support these words. Time will tell, if there is something like that deep inside the island or not.

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This is it for the Bermuda triangle mystery.

The last thing I want to talk about in the depth of the Atlantic Ocean is the Titanic ship. I’m not going to look into the “historical”, real events; anons can do that themselves and I’m sure most the readers know the facts by now about this ship and why it really sank, as well as to how it’s connected to the Bloodlines and all of that stuff. So as I just said, I ain’t going in there since it’s a waste of time. What I’m interested in is the movie they made about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanic_(1997_film)

“Titanic is a 1997 American epic romance and disaster film directed, written, produced, and co-edited by James Cameron. Incorporating both historical and fictionalized aspects, it is based on accounts of the sinking of the RMS Titanic, and stars Leonardo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet as members of different social classes who fall in love aboard the ship during its ill-fated maiden voyage. Also starring are Billy Zane, Kathy Bates, Frances Fisher, Gloria Stuart, Bernard Hill, Jonathan Hyde, Victor Garber, and Bill Paxton.”

>> Important to note: EPIC ROMANCE and DISASTER film. Why are these notables? It’s because this movie has a secret meaning hidden in it, apart the Ferderal Reserve/ Bloodline theft. This movie is a projection of the story of the Evil Couple. Of course, I will be explaining as we go along.

“Cameron's inspiration for the film came from his fascination with shipwrecks; he felt a love story interspersed with the human loss would be essential to convey the emotional impact of the disaster. Production began in 1995, when Cameron shot footage of the actual Titanic wreck. The modern scenes on the research vessel were shot on board the Akademik Mstislav Keldysh, which Cameron had used as a base when filming the wreck. Scale models, computer-generated imagery, and a reconstruction of the Titanic built at Baja Studios were used to re-create the sinking. The film was co-financed by Paramount Pictures and 20th Century Fox; the former handled distribution in North America while the latter released the film internationally. It was the most expensive film ever made at the time, with a production budget of $200 million.”

>> The cause why the movie was made is nothing but a trick to fool the public. This is not the real reason why this movie was created and why the love story was “injected” in it. This movie is like a homage to the Evil Couple.

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As for the necklace knowns as the Heart of the Ocean, it could be interpreted in many ways; some of which are:

1 – It’s a symbolic representation of one of the mes/sacred objects Inanna wanted to steal from Anu.

2 – It could be a symbolic representation of the Flood.

3 – It’s a projection which is done on purpose to show the public about the lineage of the 13th family = the Merovingian Bloodline; since this necklace was known to have been in the ownership of Louis XIV and Louis XVI of France, both from the Bourbon dynasty, both direct descendants of the Merovingian Bloodline. The presence of the necklace in the movie, worn by Rose whom is a projection of the Evil Lady, is to say that the Merovingian Bloodline is a direct descendant of the Evil Couple.

I’m also open to any other suggestion as to what this necklace could represent.

When the ship was scratched by the Iceberg, it was during night time. This little detail fits perfectly with the information I’ve got out from the Epic of Gilgamesh. It also fits perfectly with the idea that there was a banquet or party of some sort that night when the Cataclysm was triggered. We can see that projected in the movie as well. Everyone was nicely dressed up, having an elegant dinner and gathering in the upper class.

While the Evil Couple sneaked out of there and started to mess around, just like Jack and Rose snuck out from where everyone was gathered and went on by themselves on the front deck where they saw with their own eyes the collision with the iceberg. This is very important because this is projecting that the Evil Couple was physically close to that machine/device which I’m suspecting was tempered with. This puts them in the “crime scene”, sort of speak.

Seeing how Rose and Jack reacted in the movie, it’s clear that this is a projection to how the Evil Couple reacted when they tempered with that device = they were taken aback, surprised by what had happened. They never expect things to happen this way and this is also a detail I’ve talked about earlier in this thread.

Here, Rose and Jack get separated in the movie. Jack gets taken “downstairs” and is locked up, while Rose is supposed to board a lifeboat and be evacuated. This is also a projection of what had happened long ago, as seen in the Epic of Gilgamesh. We know that the Evil One was separated from the Evil Lady for an unclear reason so far. He was killed = decapitated. Which means he stopped existing in physical form, but does he still exist in spiritual form?

As for Rose being evacuated and put on a lifeboat, we’ve already seen Inanna being far away, fleeing with others from the site while she was screaming out her grief.

“With the ship sinking, Rose flees Cal and her mother, who has boarded a lifeboat. Rose finds and frees Jack, and they barely make it back to the boat deck. Cal and Jack urge Rose to board a lifeboat. Having arranged to save himself, Cal falsely claims he can get Jack safely off the ship. As her lifeboat is lowered, Rose, unable to abandon Jack, jumps back on board. Cal grabs Lovejoy's pistol and chases Rose and Jack into the flooding first-class dining saloon. They get away, and Cal realizes that he gave his coat, and consequently the necklace, to Rose; he later boards a lifeboat posing as a lost child's father.”

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“Les Demoiselles was revolutionary and controversial and led to widespread anger and disagreement, even amongst the painter's closest associates and friends. Matisse considered the work something of a bad joke yet indirectly reacted to it in his 1908 Bathers with a Turtle. Georges Braque too initially disliked the painting yet perhaps more than anyone else, studied the work in great detail. His subsequent friendship and collaboration with Picasso led to the cubist revolution. Its resemblance to Cézanne's The Bathers, Paul Gauguin's statue Oviri and El Greco's Opening of the Fifth Seal has been widely discussed by later critics.

At the time of its first exhibition in 1916, the painting was deemed immoral. The work, painted in Picasso's studio in the Bateau-Lavoir in Montmartre, Paris, was seen publicly for the first time at the Salon d'Antin in July 1916, at an exhibition organized by the poet André Salmon. It was at this exhibition that Salmon (who had previously titled the painting in 1912 Le bordel philosophique) renamed the work its current, less scandalous title, Les Demoiselles d'Avignon, instead of the title originally chosen by Picasso, Le Bordel d'Avignon. Picasso, who always referred to it as mon bordel ("my brothel"), or Le Bordel d'Avignon, never liked Salmon's title and would have instead preferred the bowdlerization Las chicas de Avignon ("The Girls of Avignon"). […]”

>> Anons can read the rest in the link if interested in this dig.

The real name = original title of the painting is the Brothel of Avignon. Rose is incredibly fond of prostitution throughout this movie isn’t she? As for what is said about the women in this painting, well, I used to think it’s just art or more like mixing of different cultures for art. But after understanding the transgender agenda and all the sexual perversions related to the cult, then I think this needs a re-evaluation and a deeper examination.

What is the 5th seal: “The opening of the fifth Seal releases the cries of martyrs for the "Word/Wrath of God"

What is Montmartre famous for? Among others things, these 3 stood out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montmartre

1 – “Etymology: The toponym Mons Martis, Latin for "Mount of Mars", survived into Merovingian times, gallicised as Montmartre. As in it’s a hill named after the Roman god Mars = Ares (Greek) whom is none other than aspect, a bloody aspect of the Evil One.

2 – “Montmartre remained outside of the city limits of Paris until January 1, 1860, when it was annexed to the city along with other communities (faubourgs) surrounding Paris, and became part of the 18th arrondissement of Paris.” That’s a 6+6+6 = 18. I’m sure it’s a coincidence, mostly that the hill’s original name was the hill of Mars.

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That same night, Rose took part of another dinner with the upper class, look carefully what her mother Ruth is wearing on her head (around minute 2.33). This tiara on Ruth’s head = Neith’s head is sending a message, pointing that Neith was queen and also light used to come out of her = she used to shine, as do all the Sebetti rulers. Here the tiara has a double meaning. It’s been in front of our eyes for soooo long.

Rose was irritated during that dinner; it’s the same type of behavior we’ve seen with Inanna. Notice how her dress has this reddish/brick color to it? It comes with reddish matching shoes as well. It reminds me of the dress the seated lady was wearing in the relief of Nergal (page 790). But this is not the first movie we see the Evil Lady (or the Evil One) clothed in red by Hollywood; I can name the Oz sequel movie, the Dracula movie, the Tom Cruise movie with the Unicorn (forgot the name – sorry). What I’m trying to say is that this is not the first time in Hollywood the red color is associated with the Evil Lady, or the Evil Couple. I’ve already explained that she used to wear read while she lived in Mesopotamia and the purple color was “hijacked” later on by her descendants because (((they))) know it’s the color of the King of kings and (((they))) think (((they))) are His legitimate heirs = the rulers of Heaven, which is the furthest thing to the truth. (((They))) are completely delusional.

The claim to the throne of Heaven cannot be done just by anyone. Not anyone can ascend to it even if they are a child of the King of kings. The ruler of Heaven is chosen according to the amount of Light he or she has in them. The one with the most amount of Light will ascend to the throne; which turned out to be none of the twins.

We also know what the Red Shoes symbolize, don’t we? Remember Biltmore, where there was this exibit of Titanic movie stuff, in my previous digs? Remember how Biltmore is connected to the Red Shoe clan?

Did the Evil Lady try to commit suicide out of despair from her situation like Rose tried in the movie. I don’t know. I don’t know. But this specific scene reminds me actually of Atargatis’ “fish form” or how others call it incorrectly the mermaid form. I still haven’t fully grasped it yet, but somehow, someway, it seems the Evil Lady is connected to water. And this scene might be pointing to it. It’s a possibility.

At minute 3.18, my attention was caught by how the picture was framed, with Jack’s face pushed to the right of the screen so that we can see the constellation in the background. I don’t know if I’m seeing too much into this, but I found it odd to push the face of the actor to one side of the frame so that the constellation would be shown like this. I wonder which one it is from the 88?

Well, after that they inject the Heart of the Ocean necklace into the story and of course bring up (((their))) ancestor = Louis XIV. The conversation between Jack and Rose the second day is a projection of how the Evil Lady felt and saw her life to be before she teamed up with the Evil One. I already explained that the drawings of the naked women done by Jack are a projection of the sacred prostitution ritual.

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>>16717904

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The conversation between Mr Ismay and the captain of the ship is hinting to the tempering done to that device/machine I’ve been telling you about.

Then comes the cute part where Jack tells her how he travels = as in lives, without any regret = totally free from any moral code or consciousness. This is how the Evil Lady was seduced, expressing herself as wanting to live such a life herself. Then, both Jack and Rose start doing vulgar things as practice spitting. This is a very simplified behavior of the Evil Couple’s going rogue, we are seeing in this movie.

Just before dinner that evening, around minute 5.35 from the clip, it was narrated that “Rose showed Jack all the royalties on their class of the ship”. I’m going to play dumb and consider this a mistake, a slip of the tongue. As for the rest of that evening, I’ve already explained it.

The second day Jack sneaks into the upper class level and meets Rose: Look what she is wearing: purple with a butterfly pin on her head. What does the hairpin remind you of? The coincidences in this movie are truly amazing, aren’t they? And it just happens that just after wearing that hairpin during most of the day, she decide to have Jack draw her nude picture. Which ended up with them having sex in a reddish car in the cargo hold. All 3 elements project the sacred prostitution and as well as incest was practiced, since the Evil Couple were brother and sister. I don’t know about you anons, but I’m starting to wish that Rose had jumped off from that rail in earlier scene. Just being ironic here anons.

Jack was “framed” of theft in the movie = this is how (((they))) see it. The coup the Evil Couple along with their co-conspirators were committing is no big deal and they were wrongfully accused of the crime. Reminds of how (((they))) talk about Osiris being a tyrant and how Seth was justified in murdering him. Twisted logic and an upside down truth. The thing is (((they))) are full-fledged narcissists whom are unable to accept any wrong (((they))) commit = it’s always the fault of others, never there’s.

The ship is sinking and there are many lifeboats around, which reminds me of the many Arks out there. I bet the survivors of the Cataclysm boarded them in a panicked state. And the way that ship is sinking….how it breaks in 2 parts but they are still somehow attached to one another. I’ve already mentioned the theory of where the King of kings used to live = the Upper World, was broken into 2 parts with the explosion which triggered the Cataclysm. In this theory, I went onto to say that a section of the Upper World crashed onto the Under World, while it’s possible the Moon is the remaining other section. Of course I’m not sure of this anons, it’s just a theory. I’m a green horn in this, so let’s just say I’m presenting a theory about what the Moon can be, with beginners luck attached to it.

So in the end, Jack and Rose managed to make it out from the sinking disaster of the ship and weren’t dragged down. They found a wooden panel which could only carry one person = this is a projection of the Ark which carried only the Evil Lady, confirmed in the Epic of Gilgamesh with Inanna being on board of a vessel, fleeing the flood waters.

Unfortunately for Jack in the movie, he was stuck in freezing cold water = projection of the Ice Age which followed the Great Flood. And when Rose realizes that Jack died frozen in the water to save her = she feels guilt and pain in the same time. We’ve also talked about this when taking a look at Inanna.

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>>16717997

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It’s time to take a look at the Pacific Ocean.

I’ve said it many times before that I was a lurker for a long time before posting myself. While lurking, I bumped into an exciting discovery made by anons. It’s an underwater construction facing the shores of California, U.S.A. I think some of the readers of this thread are already familiar with it.

As seen in the pictures I’m attaching with this page, this construction is clearly some sort of entrance. It’s huge, simply huge in size. It’s got a flat roof, as if it’s was manmade or at least processed = worked on by man. It also has several columns at the entrance.

The location is eye catching, it’s facing Los Angeles and we know what dirty things are taking place underground there. Just look where the Getty and the Getty villa are located, as well as Malibu. All of the celebrities mansions which are in the area….and now we hear are being sold… it’s terribly interesting, mostly that we = the public, are suspecting there are underground tunnels linking many things together in the area. So, I’m just asking with loads of curiosity: what are the odds the tunnels from the mansions connect to whatever is in this underwater Atlantean construction?

This is not made by modern day man, it’s so obvious this construction dates back from before the Cataclysm. The location also indicating that the water level was lower; as in this entire portion of land, which is now submerged, was actually above ground. This fits perfectly with all the things we’ve seen before in this thread about the Cataclysm and how some land split open, while others simply sunk. It also fits with various “testimonies” we read about online about many sunken coastal cities, worldwide. It’s clear the ocean water level was much lower than what it is now.

As for the size, the reader of this thread shouldn’t be surprised at all to find it’s “Titan size” construction = because it was used by “giants” or should I say the Sebetti warriors. As to what it was used for looonnngg ago before the Cataclysm, it’s impossible to tell. Is it used nowadays? = probably to something not good by the Bloodlines.

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>>16728868

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"There's no flag under the water that says: 'I'm the entrance to an alien base.' There's nothing unnatural-looking about it – it's just showing some sort of variation in the offshore coastal morphology," Schwartz said.”

>> LoL! “There is nothing unnatural-looking about it”, really? What about having 6 columns placed in a parallel and symmetric way with identical intervals between them? Is that unnatural looking or is this the work of Mother Nature?

“Schwartz shared with HuffPost a research paper published in 2009 by the Geological Society of America, showing cross-sections of the anomaly area designated as Sycamore Knoll by those who actually studied this underwater region.

The following image is from that paper. If you look to the left of the middle of the illustration, you can clearly see the oval-shaped "anomaly" some refer to as an underwater UFO base:

"This is interpreted as a thrust fault," Schwartz said, "meaning one side of the crust moves up over the other – and what we're looking at is interpreted as being the surface expression of this Dume thrust, which is part of a large fault system in Southern California."

The bottom line, he added, "is that people have recognized this."

>> LoL! This Mr Schwartz is really funny, a true clown. “people have recognized this”!!! Really?? Whom? Please name them so I can know whom are your co-conspirators. I think the only thing Mr Schwartz is right about, said the truth about is that this is NOT an alien base.

“Could that be the final truth of what this object is?

HuffPost reached out to John Anthony West, an independent Egyptologist, who won an Emmy award for his research for the 1993 NBC documentary, "Mystery of the Sphinx," in which he and geologist Robert Schoch presented evidence that the Great Sphinx of Giza may be thousands of years older than previously thought.

West examined the images of the Malibu underwater object.

"The pictures are a bit misleading in that it looks as though it's on the shore," West told HuffPost. "My first reaction knowing that it was 2,000 feet under the water was that, under no circumstances could it, in fact, be artificial, manmade. And I have enough experience, looking at geology and distinguishing between what could perhaps be artificial, and then there's sort of a gray area in-between. As far as I'm concerned, there's no gray area."

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>>16728873

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“West says he's inclined to go along with the geological explanation.

"It doesn't look at all manmade. It has what look like pillars there, but they're unevenly spaced and then, to the right, you see other seemingly pillars still attached, actually, to the bedrock, in the process of forming."

>> The columns are built in a symmetrical and parallel way. I’m not in the wrong when I say this because this underwater entrance SURVIVED a HUGE Cataclysmic event. Are you expecting it to come out of it unscratched? I’m amazed it survived, to be honest. You have seen the movie 2012, right? So this entrance survived something of that scale. And you expect it to be as fresh looking as a cake coming out of the oven? There is erosion, the shock from the blast which have certainly tilted or moved the columns a bit. Then, with the Great Flood, water must have rushed in at high speed with incredible force…and the structure went underwater, which means the weight of the water also pushed down on the structure. It doesn’t stop here, this underwater structure also had to withstand water erosion for many millennia, all depending how long the Cataclysm happened of course.

It truly is some incredible work of engineering and construction, to have withstood all of this for sooooo long and it still didn’t collapse. I bet if we enter it, there will be some columns and walls which have been totally crushed or collapsed inside. Of course there would be loads of broken and damaged parts, and I don’t think we will find any artifacts made of perishable materials in there to have survived. But there might be some murals, carvings and some inscriptions on the walls, ceiling, floors and columns which might have survived. Also there might be some “equipment” left behind or some type of technology; it’s just a possibility. But let’s be realistic about it: it’s more than obvious the Bloodlines have gotten (((their))) nasty little dirty hands, long ago, on whatever was inside, including the inscriptions if they exist.

How do I know this? From 2 factors: 1 – How the “experts” were paid to debunk/refute the existence of this structure underwater. 2 – All the mansions and the villas of the Hollywood celebrities (as well as others) located so close; not forgetting the rumors about those mansions have secret underground tunnels. If there wasn’t anything of “importance” we wouldn’t have these 2 factors happen at all.

“And yet, West acknowledges Unidentified Flying Objects.

"I'm convinced that UFOs are a reality – there's too much evidence out there. Beyond that, we don't know anything. We don't know who they are, why they're here, [or] how much of this stuff is our own government. A point beyond that is that anything that isn't explained or that can't be explained by current scientific methods, automatically it's aliens. It's the explanation of last resort, and I just don't buy that."

>> Me too, I just don’t buy that, because there are no aliens in the way/in the sense the public thinks the aliens exist. This alien/UFO urban legend is there to create a diversion and mislead us when doing research. The public is more inclined to believe this urban legend than to believe there was a pre-Cataclysm civilization and we are the descendants of the survivors of the huge disaster.

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>>16728892

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“Also weighing in on the Malibu mystery is former FBI Special Agent Ben Hansen, who has an extensive background investigating and analyzing questionable pictures and videos.

Hansen supplied HuffPost with the following Google Earth image of the underwater object in question:

"This was taken from a different angle of the 'mysterious base,'" Hansen told HuffPost in an email. "The dark areas that people are saying look like the inside of the base really starts to look just like shading of indentations to the shelf, and the 'pillars' are now represented as jagged ridges.”

>> The provided image is different from the others images: look at the roof and mostly look at the edge/rim of the roof = it’s totally different. This picture might have been modified. I’m attaching it with this page.

“Hansen cautions about how we interpret things we see on Google Earth.

"Google obtains their underwater data from several different sources, including satellite radar and echo sonar from the Navy, NOAA, NASA and other agencies. Because they often use very different technologies, the derived information isn't always going to agree. When it doesn't, Google relies on its automatic 3D auto-generation programs to make sense of it.”

>> I agree with Mr Hansen when it comes to one situation. But when you have identical situations from all over the world, this is not valid anymore. What I mean here is that are many monuments and structures built by “someone” which are all submerged on the coasts of many countries. So this submerged “entrance” on the coast of California is not the only one of its kind. There are other structures worldwide.

"We're dealing with limited information to render the graphic because we can see it evidenced in the disparity of image quality between the anomaly and the areas immediately surrounding it," Hansen added. "The blurry sections and jagged edges obviously suggest a patchwork of image processing has taken place."

In the end, we're left with a variety of theories to explain the Malibu anomaly, a.k.a. Sycamore Knoll. Will the UFO-alien-underwater-base proponents be eventually proven right, leaving geologists in the deep blue dust, scratching their heads and wondering how they got it wrong?”

>> They were paid, that’s how and why they got it wrong.

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>>16728900

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“West concedes the possibility that this object could be an entrance of sorts, in the same way that the action of moving water can form caves below the surface.

"There's no big mystery to this thing 2,000 feet under the sea in terms of it being an entrance," West said. "Of course, until you get a camera there, you don't know where the entrance is leading. I'd hazard a guess that it doesn't go in too far, and if they do get in there, I think the chances are that they're not going to find the lost treasures of Atlantis."

>> (((They))) are good at misleading people, aren’t they? I wonder why an archaeologist wasn’t consulted about this; not just any type of archaeologist, but an underwater archaeologist expert. Yup! There are some of these in the world. I said many times already that Underwater Archaeology is the new frontiers for us.

The readers of this thread shouldn’t be surprise to find a giant structure anymore nor that it is submerged, near the coast. This last detail can help us calculate how much the water level was before the Cataclysm and after it.

I do not agree this structure is an alien/UFO base and I do not agree this is a rock anomaly. The reasons for that is the fact that there are several structure (some similar) from all over the world. If it’s a natural anomaly in one place, it cannot happen many times over in different places.

Like take a look at the first picture I’m attaching with this page, I wasn’t able to find it personally, despite me looking for it. I found it online. I don’t know if it’s authentic or not. If it is, then this makes it that we have 2 of these giant sunken entrances.

Also while looking around the area where the first structure was found close to Malibu, I went a bit southward, and I came across a flat surface facing San Diego which MIGHT be the flat roof of another giant entrance with columns, like the one I’ve been talking about. Please check out pictures 2, 3 & 4, I’m attaching with this page.

The difference here from the others is that this one is actually “clogged” by what looks like sand and debris. Some readers looking at the pictures I’m attaching of it might say there is nothing there and the old man is seeing things. I’m not gonna argue with that nor say you are wrong. I’m gonna say you are right. It’s not certain, but I think it has a high potential of being another entrance like the first one we saw because of the shape of the roof. If this one turns out to be an entrance as well, then we shouldn’t be surprised to see it in such a bad shape because of the Cataclysm. Maybe, I’m wrong; maybe I’m right about this. Let’s wait and see the results = time will tell. For now, it’s good to take note of this and keep it in mind for the future.

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>>16706404

Keep trying to connect.

Approx. 19:00 EST, Saturday 23rd July 2022.

May all in danger reach safe harbour.

>>16729940

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I’m going to present things randomly for anons, no specific order. Just showing you things that caught my attention. Some might be notables, while others might not be that much. It’s up to you to decide or research deeper, I’m just mentioning them quickly.

Next is the little yellow brick road discovered in the Pacific Ocean: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/road-to-atlantis-scientists-spot-strange-yellow-brick-road-in-pacific-ocean-2963243

“Yellow Brick Path Found At Bottom Of Pacific Ocean, Scientists Wonder If It's "Road To Atlantis"

Updated: May 10, 2022

The marine scientists said that their aim was to investigate underwater structures known as seamounts - formed by volcanic activity.

A group of marine scientists have discovered a strange yellow brick path at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. According to a YouTube video, the crew of Exploration Vessel Nautilus caught sight of the strange-looking formation while studying an area called Liliʻuokalani Ridge in the United States' Papahānaumokuakea Marine National Monument in the Pacific Ocean.

The structure resembles a road paved in cobblestones. In the clip, one researcher is heard describing the brick path as “the road to Atlantis”, while another called it “bizarre”.

The marine scientists said that their aim was to investigate a split in the seamount trail, with the origin of thousands of seamounts in the central and western Pacific oceans not completely understood. Therefore, they documented their findings live, which saw them stumble across the formation of what looks like a man-made brick road with distinct rectangular blocks.

The crew went on to explain that the formation is actually “an example of ancient active volcanic geography”.

“At the summit of Nootka Seamount, the team spotted a 'dried lake bed' formation, now ID'd as a fractured flow of hyaloclastite rock - a volcanic rock formed in high-energy eruptions where many rock fragments settle to the seabed,” the caption of the YouTube post read.

Further, the researchers explained that the “unique” pattern of fractures in the rock that give it its cobbled formation is probably the result of repeated heating and cooling over time due to multiple volcanic eruptions. They have also stated that the team never surveyed the area before, but now they will take a deeper look at life on and within the rocky slopes of the ancient seamounts.”

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>>16737758

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>> If you take this on its own, then it can be easily debunked or taken as a natural occurrence or some act of Mother Nature. But if you combine this find with the one we were talking about previously = the giant entrance with columns; as well as all the similar structures found worldwide, then we start to see a very different picture being painted to us. This is not made by aliens/UFOs by the way. I don’t think aliens would be interested in building a road at the bottom of the ocean in the middle of nowhere.

If this “yellow brick road” turns out to be authentic, as in an Atlantean structure which survived the Cataclysm, it means we can also find other structures in the vicinity or simply follow the road to find others. This road (if authentic) came from somewhere and it leading to somewhere. It will be a big proof that an ancient long lost civilization existed long ago and it was wiped out by a terribly Cataclysm. This is one of the causes why the road is in bad shape; remember the movie 2012?

Oh! By the way, do you remember the Klerksdorp spheres (starting page 594)? Do you remember what was written about where they were found? These spheres are proof the earth = the ground, flipped or was sucked in like what happens with a sinkhole. We also saw the earth turning upside down when taking a look at the Big Horn mountain (starting page 720). All of these are tiny details which are pointing to the same idea = the earth turned upside down in some areas. While in other areas, the earth was kinda pushed down, pressed down and it became submerged with water. We’ve seen that as well in this thread before, just like what had happened between Tunisia and Italy. And now, we’ve just seen it with the “submerged giant entrance” near Malibu as well as this “yellow brick road”.

Which by the way, reminds me terribly of the Wizard of Oz story; as I’m sure you are reminded of the same thing too. All of these findings in the Pacific Ocean also remind me of the story of Mu, the lost continent, which we’ve seen also before in this thread (starting page 341). I hope now the readers understand how I function and why I’ve put such information for you. I prepare things in advance and let you slowly absorb the information.

I have one last thing to mention but I didn’t find it myself, so I wasn’t able to verify it. I’m only mentioning them for the record. While lurking, there was chat about a strange structure which looks like a pointy needle somewhere in the Pacific Ocean, underwater of course. The only information I managed to get about it, is that this pointy structure is halfway across the globe from the pyramids of Giza. And that’s it. I’m attaching the picture with this page. I have no idea what this could be. If anyone has information and would like to share, please do.

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>>16737798