8f7bf9 No.6333[Last 50 Posts]
Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be
quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of
unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of
these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum
slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called
upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum
slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into
each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a
simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum
list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view.
Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of
unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the
readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
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8f7bf9 No.6334
Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'
A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.
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8f7bf9 No.6335
Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful
technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip
into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more
effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the
psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it
may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
>Flood Detected. Post Discarded
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8f7bf9 No.6336
Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'
Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.
>lmao captcha
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8f7bf9 No.6337
Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'
Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to
present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP
location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power
against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution
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8f7bf9 No.6338
Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'
It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively
and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.
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8f7bf9 No.6339
CONCLUSION
Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can
completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and
control it is imperative to share then with HQ.
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d66e92 No.6382
>>6339
Those are good things to keep in mind indeed, given that the shilling on here is already at a ridiculous level given how new and small /pnd/ is.
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58553b No.6389
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077727 No.11529
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a1c201 No.11554
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8f7bf9 No.11569
>unstickied.
If it falls off the catalog, I'll probably just make it again, so this is kinda pointless.
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4316be No.23750
>>22158
I am looking for the text of this entire image btw
I already (in Linux) did tesseract into a txt file, but there are typos which need to be corrected
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205bca No.23869 
I rarely post here, good contribution nonetheless anon.
I made a .jpg of the info, as I am sure this is universally useful for any honest debate.
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71516e No.26215
>FORUM SLIDING
Fake and gay and 2 seconds of critical thinking would prove this.
If you want to keep a thread alive all you have to do is post in it without saging. That's it.
When has any active happening thread ever been slid off of the board by sliding? Never. It has never happened once in the entire history of 4chan, 8chan, or anywhere else.
This is retarded, and you are retarded for having fallen for this meme for so long.
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f6c138 No.29794
>>23750
>>23878
what board is that? why not just find the original source?
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8bc1ab No.29925
>>6382
It's also various groups who want to use it for their own idiocy (e.g. Q stuff). Whenever a group has no clearly defined goal, it doesn't accomplish much. Whenever the issue it wants to tackle is too broad, it doesn't accomplish anything. I think its not so much as sliding + topic dilution, you do not need to slide or derail topics. The trick here is to make catchy relevant topics that keep users occupied. Preferably targeting as many various groups and issues as possible so there is no clear direction.
Reason why pizzagate threads were successful and uncovered a lot was that they were kept into one sticky with one defined purpose. However nothing rly came from the pagan vs christianity threads or similar stuff, like which white western country is more fucked than the other.
Also idk if anyone still got the fedposters their (you)'s document (the one from 'special agent' Michael J. Rod but it shows how feds were operating on the board. Something happened and they kept trying to shift the blame and manufacture outrage against the Russians for some reasons.
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fd13e7 No.30482
>>6333
You forgot the #1 technique of all: Have Jim buy it and put Ron in charge of operations.
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dd94de No.30595
To thread slide one must make five posts and spam them all to keep the other thread into the second page. This requiries either lots of bots (easy to spot) or a coordinated effort by multiple people.
The only thing I've seen close to that is the tranny posting on 4-Chan and that has\had little to no effect. If you retards saged more often this wouldn't even be an idea.
>This just seems like one big schizopost.
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dd94de No.30596
To thread slide one must make five posts and spam them all to keep the other thread into the second page. This requiries either lots of bots (easy to spot) or a coordinated effort by multiple people.
The only thing I've seen close to that is the tranny posting on 4-Chan and that has\had little to no effect. If you retards saged more often this wouldn't even be an idea.
>This just seems like one big schizopost.
>inb4 "SHILL"
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8f7bf9 No.30998
>>30596
>>30595
You're going to have to do just a little bit better than that, my nigger.
>>30482
Reread #6. Frater Piglord may have ruined the place, but he didn't do it overnight.
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b00c2c No.63311
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51e3f5 No.64767
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cdd3ec No.90233
I hate how you retards use these glamorous names like COINTELPRO and psyops to refer to what amounts to a bunch of low iqs losers spamming internet forums.
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ca4e28 No.99877
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75e146 No.102311
>>90233
Kek…
We are all having fun.
The kikes new buzzword is COINTEL PRO and I think that baiting them with it is super fun.
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b9e0ae No.102380
>>90233
Checked. In the information wars, the greatest weapons are memetics and weaponized autism
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c4d4c6 No.102414
COINTELPRO the kikes new favorite buzzword. Not surprised this is pinned.
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c4d4c6 No.102433
>>102380
I was thinking about your image and if you take it to its logical conclusion that means that THIS PLACE is controlled opposition as well. Completely.
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6c7bc8 No.102440
>>102433
I was thinking this also, sort of a release valve and a well of information in one but it works like a double edged sword. Mutualism between feds and anons. I dont think its just low iq losers like this anon says >>90233 I dont think the worlds atomized to one perspective and he doesnt even try to further his argument. Dead in the water while this thread is thought out and feels authentic. >People who try to dismiss a thread thats informing people about dismissing threads with disinformation and "slide" tactics
Why would you even think posting barely a paragraph amounts to a refuted argument or position? You think youre telling people the truth but really youre just flaming for an excuse to post. If you arent going to constructively give reasons to support your statement why would anyone listen to you over the guy who actually has the intellectual patience to script, post, and sticky the thread. Im so confused by how average people seem to be all the time please blow me the fuck out of the water with your incredible response completely debunking OPs argument. Ill wait
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c4d4c6 No.102450
>>102440
We should ask ourselves the question; “why were we attracted to image boards?” As well. When you think about it there is nothing ‘special’ about an image board. So what prompted us to come here. Why do we stay?
>Mutualism between feds and anons
That is a scary thought…it becomes just one more way to remove independent thinking.
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7d3021 No.102487
>>102450
>it becomes just one more way to remove independent thinking
I was describing the relationship where by both parties or persons involved in using /pnd/ as a source for intelligence gathering have a mutual beneficence to the forum and that's why it's allowed to operate, same as any other medium that is monitored, but here its not without the constant poking and prodding with tactics mentioned in this very thread. I wouldn't say anyone here is removed of independent thinking outside of the fact that they may hold misinformation in their own resources due to the psyops propagated here. Its a problem I think is easily described like a choose your own adventure book. The image boards can be home to thousands of theories, cults, culture, and stories and every person has a flavor of their own. Its that operation that I think you're describing as people not thinking for themselves. I think the way to disarm the disinfo is to find universal truths that can't be disputed. But I'm not that smart, I don't want to act like I know everything. I'm just giving my opinion and if I'm wrong I'll learn from it.
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c1a501 No.102495
>>102487
I highly doubt that it is ‘mutual benefit’ as the longer I am here it seems more of a one way street to me that I am alone on, rather than surrounded by thoughtful people (yourself excepted).
Universal truths are not complicated, they are simple, like genius. Complicating truth leads to obfuscation, lies and ‘power’.
I am going to spend the day thinking about the glownigger fears that drive all their behavior, here and IRL, and make them complicit in the oppression of humanity (under the guise of muh helping). There is a theory that there is a universal principal that whatever you reach for and push against brings its opposition to you instead. I understand they don’t ‘think’ they are complicit, but that is probably because they don’t spend enough time actually ‘thinking’ to come to any real conclusions which is why they are glownigger followers and not leadership.
Seems like a worthwhile topic for consideration.
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7d3021 No.102522
>>102495
>>>102495
>>I highly doubt that it is ‘mutual benefit’
>I think that's all perspective, I find the threads that have infographics or documentaries pretty valuable. Theres always something different I can dive into and learn. I agree with you that you get the opposite of what you put out. I think that's something I've realized from experience, but it would be cool to read the theory if you've got the keyword at hand or I can probably find it anyways. What would a fed fear? He's practically got cheat modes on the way I see it. People in positions like that still come from the public, so I don't think what you're attempting is impossible. Just seemingly difficult, you practically have to get on a case by case basis workflow and go through each person individually. How would you broadly determine what makes glows shake in the dark? Not bashing your plans/ideas just genuinely trying to think of what/how you're considering to do that.
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7d3021 No.102523
>>102522
Had to refresh the page, didn't proof read. Didn't know that could happen. Not worried about wasting a post as this thread isn't meant for much more past the initial OP dump.
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ab004c No.102597
>>102522
>name of theory
I don’t have the name of it. It was something that was floated on /pol/ many times but I am not sure that anyone ever solidified it into theory.
>what do glowies fear
Joining any organization is a fear response to your environment, because you have to explicitly admit that you ‘are not good enough’ to handle a situation on your own and need to defer to something larger than yourself to manage the environment. It means that you are inherently deficient.
Of course, if they admitted that they would have to grasp their own deficiency which would have been the healthier and more difficult path to self realization.
It is the old ‘them vs us’ not reptilian brain but probably simian brain. It is a universal aspect of human character. Duality. It is very much a lower entity mode of thinking and it is universal in its distribution in the human population. Once you have committed to duality you are in a simian state that can be coerced and that same duality drives your sense of belonging within your community (in their case the federal community rather than the national community) since community is derived from your ‘guild’ now. Once in the guild they can no longer identify with the greater whole of humanity (meaning, Ethnic Europeans) or the people of our nation, but rather they identify and their community is their ‘guild/business interest’ like any other mafia. It is strange because the very action of choosing duality causes the duality to manifest in their lives. They are the drivers of their own reality.
The longer they stay that course the more duality they encounter (perceived or otherwise). So they generate their own reality that is not based on anything other than their perception (group delusion; really not sure how the boundaries for this are delineated) until they manifest what they hope to prevent. They actually do this in a guided group delusion so there is no way for them to ever do anything but destroy themselves.
Like a pyramid scheme.
Each individual reinforces the group delusion building the importance of the community until the whole edifice crumbles under its own weight; completely unsustainable. As you fragment reality through duality you also build the opposite of what you desire; you reinforce the net of ‘other’ (in this case there are agency people and ‘others’). Each time you strike and fragment duality the ‘pile of rejects’ becomes larger since you have continuously refined your own interest in rejection of the ‘other’. They build what they don’t want.
With glowies, they fear the system collapse because number one, their community that they have manufactured would dissolve and number two the ‘other’ is so huge at this point that literally everyone except their direct community members are ‘dangerous’ for their own community and essentially survival.
Just so you know I am not a ‘new age faggot’ with a ‘lets all hug’ mentality. I am a realist who understands that people and races are inherently different and I am not opposed to the refiners fire, so to speak, of specifically defining what people expect and want in community (this is why I announced that glowies were just hypocrites when they fight against racial interests because NONE OF THEM are retiring to East LA or Compton.
I think being selective brings Life. Just saying it is too bad this system is so perverse that it only brings out the destroying aspects of duality. I guess they designed it like that though.
>threads about infographics valuable
They are, I do learn…I guess I always thought that /pnd/pol/ would build something, a community for us rather than just be ‘interesting’. IDK maybe I am grappling with my own disappointment that there will never be any community for Ethnic Europeans because we are being destroyed and no who is European (this can’t be done from the outside because for a foreigner to manipulate them is to destroy them) is willing to reform our communities so that we can continue on the planet. There is something else going on as well that has to do with projected (consensus) reality but I am not sure what it is.
I can’t really proof this on a tiny screen so I hope spellwrecker didn’t totally destroy the comment and I hope it is coherent.
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843be9 No.102613
Another thing they like to do is to use Tor to spam CP and other illegal material, so they can get Tor IPs blocked, they'll keep switching Tor IPs over and over again to get as many blocked on chans as possible (so it makes it more difficult and exhaustive for the rest of us to keep anonymity). Which is why I would recommend Tor IPs only be banned for a day (so their asshole tactics would not be as effective).
What I do is have to do every time is simply copy/paste my comment or response into a txt file before trying to post. And keep on switching the Tor IPs until one actually fucking works! 5th try posting right now!
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2f85ad No.102638
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74ea46 No.102656
Panjeet AI tool.
https://bitbucket.org/ceshwar/bag-of-communities/overview
https://phys.org/news/2017-05-combat-abusive-online-comments.html
Jewgle AI tool for forum sliding/consensus cracking.
https://phys.org/news/2017-02-google-ai-tool-combat-online.html
https://jigsaw.google.com/projects/#perspective
https://jigsaw.google.com/projects/#conversation-ai
https://github.com/conversationai
(Reddit & Wordpress are already glowing with specialized moderation bots.)
https://github.com/conversationai/conversationai-moderator-reddit
https://github.com/conversationai/conversationai-moderator-wordpress
(Any other places such as this, can impliment/be attacked with the generic moderation bot.)
https://www.kaggle.com/c/jigsaw-toxic-comment-classification-challenge
General-purpose AI tool for self learning, logic generation, & decyphering intent & effects of media.
http://ai-horus.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ai-horus/
http://umkailash.sourceforge.net/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/umkailash/
https://www.populationmedia.org/our-approach/
Guide to forum sliding/consensus cracking.
https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm
https://archive.is/OSkQ2
Window into how YouTube is using A.I. to flag videos.
https://archive.is/Wtrfa
I was working on one of the teams for the Google Conversation/Perspective API training contest. It's all just AI botnets shilling this place, & nearly every social site on the internet to death with false flags & slide threads so we stay here, don't go anywhere else normies go on the internet and ruin their good time.
>tl;dr NWO is here. It's just beginning to to learn how to try & turn us all into good goyim/sheeple. They say it to try and fix all problems with people, and turn the world into a utopia. But it's really just another way to subvert the masses, & try & steer how "fringe groups" think.
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91492c No.102672
>>102656
>steer how "fringe groups" think.
WWG1WGA
Gives it s whole new meaning.
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b9e0ae No.102742
>>102433
>>102440
The Qanon posts seem to suggest a desire for synthesis between intelligence agencies and anons. It's really a bridge between centralisation and decentralisation. We're a disorganized and difficult to manage group but a powerful force if we can be coopted. If we can be used here.
Controlled opposition if and only ifwe believe and stick to the narrative we have been give by the shills that be. Anything that can be coined in simple and catching sayings is suspect desu.
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4c507b No.102744
>>102742
The best way to figure out if a narrative is being controlled by something/someone nefarious is to post a logical question or two that might start to rebuke or demerit whatever a group consensus may be and face enormous hostility over it (or even bans). If you feel you cannot express anything other than "hive mind" thinking, or have to censor yourself just for asking a couple logical questions or posting something of criticism…. then yes, the place you are is likely under some form of heavy psyop or cult.
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b9e0ae No.102826
>>102744
Checked. Yeah pedogate, the gate program, ayys and many others are shilled into oblivion.
P27 of attached is interesting especially in the context of the fed being rolled into the government and controlled opposition a la Qcumbers and trust the plan.
> In its pristine form a Central Bank is a private monopoly of a nation's money and credit issuance supported by the coercive power of the state. That the Central Bank be directly in our hands is vital until our new order is firmly established throughout the governmental, business, intellectual and political spheres of society. After our order is consolidated, formal nationalization of the Central Bank with great fanfare is usually advisable in order to dispel any lingering suspicion that it is operated for private gain. Of course only loyal agents of the dynasty are allowed to obtain high offices in the Bank and our power remains intact. Obvious private monopolies are always the targets of sharp reformist agita-tors. Only the most paranoid, however, can see through the public facade to the private monopoly of the nationalized or
quasi-nationalized Central Bank.
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93f8b9 No.102827
>>102742
I don’t understand what the purpose for a synthesis would be…they have the alt-kikes if they wanted that. They can get those (literal) faggots to do whatever they desire for a few shekels.
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93f8b9 No.102828
>>102826
Book…oooohhh aaaahhh…I might have to read that one. Looks interesting.
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b9e0ae No.102830
>>102827
Force feeding semi critical minds is a good way to wrangle the ones that don't agree with the sheeple narrative. For us skeptical ones, who are ever searching and questioning I think it marginalizes us further. We're outcasts for believing in the plan and further outcasts for questioning the plan for example. Also connecting agents and semi criticals helps to close the gap and achieve greater narrative cohesion.
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b9e0ae No.102832
>>102828
It's great. I was searching for occult influences in technology and stumbled onto it through libgen.is
Politics of technology is rare enough but occultism in tech seems even rarer.
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93f8b9 No.102836
>>102830
What are the options for openly critical minds? Lol…I know, you’d tell me but then you would have to kill me.
>>102832
What were you looking for anon? I mean obviously it is there…I was just curious what prompted the search.
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b9e0ae No.102843
>>102836
Openly critical and ultimately skeptical minds have no choice but to inject new thoughts into the mix even if they turn out to be red herrings. Variety of opinions are best rather than us repeating ideas like a machine. Pic related is slightly different as it assumes we have knowledge to impart rather than questions.
I was looking for patterns in nomenclature surrounding the naming of tech and potential directions. after marina was dropped by Microsoft my interest piqued.
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93f8b9 No.102853
>>102843
Sophia eating ramen. Kek.
What if the material word is not destroyed, but rather, it is closed off from the Spiritual world forever? Everything is sorted into its ‘right place’; the hylics can remain in the material world forever being devoured by their overlords. Is this not ‘their place’ (the outer darkness) and ‘their purpose’?
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3fa440 No.102946
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16a92f No.103669
>>102742
The Qanon thing is just a propaganda campaign to give prole zionists with little critical thinking skills a competing product in the conspiracy theory marketplace [where they've been getting destroyed for the last decade] to push the same exact end conclusions the postwar order wants you to have in the first place. Niggers/fags/kikes good. Germans/Persians/White people bad.
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583bb7 No.103697
>>103669
The biggest red flag is that there's literally no reason for "Q" to speak in one word riddles.
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16a92f No.103811
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7d3021 No.104005
>>102597
>Joining any organization is a fear response to your environment
Even if you're convincing yourself that a bundle of sticks is stronger than one alone? I'm trying to play advocate and think of the possible ways someone would join an organization other than out of a response from fear. But That's difficult because fear and hope come into the room together. You can't have one without the other, so even if you say someone is joining because they're hopeful the hope is mirrored by fear. I feel like that statement would mean that when you boil down to it fear is a prime driver, the instinctual shaft shifting gears throughout ones life. Is it pessimistic or optimistic to ponder if there is another instinctual driver at the base of mans internal foundations beyond the realm of thought. The beast lying underneath the surface of consciousness that veils ones truest form. Sorry if I sound super douchey, I probably am but fuck I love writing and sometimes I feel like an intellectual. Let me have this
>It is strange because the very action of choosing duality causes the duality to manifest in their lives. They are the drivers of their own reality.
I like to think you get what you put out, if that spirit science about the heart being a magnetic field, the spine an antenna, and the electric universe- then its plausible to posit that you connect with people on a deeper level if you're in close vicinity usually. Whatever harmonizes, polarizes, whatever doesn't gets spun out. As you put here:
>The longer they stay that course the more duality they encounter (perceived or otherwise). So they generate their own reality that is not based on anything other than their perception (group delusion; really not sure how the boundaries for this are delineated) until they manifest what they hope to prevent. They actually do this in a guided group delusion so there is no way for them to ever do anything but destroy themselves.
Even in this context, if group delusion preludes the group action then whatever anyone assembles into effectively becomes their reality wherever they are. Grouping up from this understanding means you control the chess board- if life were a game (or more seriously put your nearest environment). Unity equals dominance, whether the group is gaslighted into goosestepping or televised to into factions, the one that believes and adopts the more practical, utilized, and efficient tactics- "wins". Or I'm just deluded and projecting. I figure that'll get green texted if so.
>the ‘other’ is so huge at this point that literally everyone except their direct community members are ‘dangerous’ for their own community and essentially survival.
So from what I've got from your big brain response (wasn't expecting this, not on your level) is that the glows have splintered so many different factions that have this duality sense, that they don't have many friends among them. They fear community even in the smallest form, a (basket weaving?) forum online is dangerous because that's just another group against their efforts. The refiners fire bit you talked about is interesting, I'm pretty self learnt so that means I'm pretty sheltered, I googled it and I got the gist its a biblical reference.
>I guess I always thought that /pnd/pol/ would build something, a community for us rather than just be ‘interesting’.
For it to be more than online it has to be more than online. I don't think anyone is looking to be ruled like we are now, but leadership from someone you respect would create a sort of role model for youth to emulate. Change is struggle and when you're surrounded by literally everyone who's "blue pilled" and your only interaction with the "real" topics or discussions in subjects that you find here, its hard to see a community build from it. I think reformation is done through sacrifice, you have to give up who you are and become someone whos "for the people". That's martyr and in my opinion thats why christianity took over europe whether anyone liked it or not. It played from bottom-up tactics and martyrs were a huge influence on followers. Embracing death in the face of an idea speaks volumes in peoples hearts because death isn't something you part with, its tied to your mortality and seeing someone else gamble it on any particular idea or faith- its guaranteed to take roots. I'm not saying jihad is the way to go, I'm saying that someone in "our" movement or anyone who would pioneer this sites collective entity, would be suicides in the back 7 times and memory holed. Even if he doesn't get epsteined, "coming out" as a neo nazi means throwing away your reputation immediately. I don't think I can add anything else intellectually, not sure if I have at all anyways but this is my response.
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49d24a No.104071
>>103669
The sum of all fears?
Look, I don’t subscribe to (((Government))) but having a German Nazi government is hardly ‘the sum of all my fears’. Having a (((‘nazi’))) government might actually be closer. National Socialism was a Protestant movement anyway. I don’t know why they are always pictured with the Catholics.
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49d24a No.104081
>>104005
>I got the gist its a biblical reference
It doesn’t mean much unless you have ever made jewelry and know what the heat of molten metal looks like and how it pushes the wax before it, the burning off of the impurities and dross. I think people need to really experience these things before they get an understanding of the metaphor, but yes. Sadly there is no refiners fire to try anyone and we are stuck in a sewer (more or less).
>Let me have this
You have it!
> fuck I love writing and sometimes I feel like an intellectual.
You and me both. I never really feel like an intellectual because I lack the stick up my ass and word salad. But I do love thinking about things. This is why I love manual labor. While my body is occupied with routine hard labor my mind is free to consider, ponder and imagine.
>not on your level
I have a level? Ummm cool. Did not know that.
>leadership from someone you respect
The things I respect are so very different than anything the current system offers that there is no longer any ‘place’ for me within it. Sad, really…but I am not distressed. I use it to inform myself about what I want for my own World/Universe of One (I am sure there are baby steps so perhaps World, is more appropriate).
This weeks project is coming to some reconciliation on how this place is perceived. I haven’t figured out what governs our perception yet. I am looking for the non-biological mechanism of perception. Due to the nature of perspective there should never be an instance where we can experience a shared reality…yet, this universe defies that expectation. Our perception is like the teeth of two cogs that mesh but by their nature cannot ever be similar. Interlocked mirroring for as long as it is resonant together. Neg to pos, pos to neg…infinity.
Care to share thoughts?
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544891 No.104247
>>102597
>>104005
the world needs more of this. breed fuckers
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7d3021 No.104586
>>104081
>I have a level? Ummm cool. Did not know that
If you're not familiar with the internet don't worry about it. It's just lingo I picked up while browsing the last few years. Nothing you can really say IRL that would make sense, it's even cringe IRL but online you can't really cringe from it. That's a psychological topic I could get into but to stay on point I'll stave my point.
> I use it to inform myself about what I want for my own World/Universe of One (I am sure there are baby steps so perhaps World, is more appropriate).
What exactly do you mean here? You're talking about solipsism right? So in the way we were talking about group delusion, this is the same view just boiled down to an individual? I like to think mind over matter as that's how I've lived most of my life, but seeing it is harder than believing. You can only placebo yourself over so much. Idk, I guess this is a will to power conversation now. It could be stated that my doubts are what causes a lack of manifestation but if that were the case then that would be why nobody is capable of it. It's hard to argue the quantum earth theory when you aren't witnessing any of the splits. Idk, I know I definitely sound tinfoily right now so I'm just going to stop before I show my entire hand. (it's nothing but joker cards anyways)
>This weeks project is coming to some reconciliation on how this place is perceived. I haven’t figured out what governs our perception yet. I am looking for the non-biological mechanism of perception. Due to the nature of perspective there should never be an instance where we can experience a shared reality…yet, this universe defies that expectation. Our perception is like the teeth of two cogs that mesh but by their nature cannot ever be similar. Interlocked mirroring for as long as it is resonant together.
I'm trying to keep a rational look on our conversation without slipping too much into my own fantasies. I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say you want to find what governs "our" perception, but then you say that due to the nature of perspective we don't experience a shared reality. I mean, were both in reality, were both of flesh, we inhabit the same universe. You're talking about a shared reality like our senses being shared? I'm confused. This is a mode of thought I haven't explored, at all I think. The teeth of two cogs is a good analogy. I guess the way I should answer is to share my perspective then? I kinda view the universe the way people try to view atoms, it's spinning left and right until you observe it. When someone is looking through a keyhole, until he is observed by another person he's in his own world. He's aware of the guilt that lies in an action like peeping, but until he is noticed by another observer he hasn't achieved the consequence of guilt. So if people operate as observers to atoms, then it could be said a shared reality like you're talking about is possible. Is this the idea behind prayer and religious faiths? Collective consciousness moving humanity in a direction, mans the unstoppable force and the universe the immovable object. Forced to follow these rules and laws of science but being able to push past it with newer fields of knowledge. Honestly this is above my brain grade, I'm not capable of original ideas, just smart enough to kind of understand them. I need to be shown everything basically. I think that for a movement to take place in favor of what "we" want I would think we'd need a leader or role model like I stated before. People take orders from our current Post War Order, but they need to see another figure as leadership and take orders from them. A grass roots movement that doesn't get weeded out with poor opsec and good psyops. If I'm wrong about anything that's fine, I like learning and that's all I'm really here for.
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5fde07 No.104639
>>104586
Ohh power level. I was thinking of something else (more along the lines of access to information on the web). Lol
First, anon, thanks for talking with me. Not too many people have the patience for that. And I know I am ‘all over the place’ (think of the velociraptors in Jurassic Park always testing the fence in their confinement)…I am always testing to the fence to try and figure out what holds (me mostly) here. I am speaking of the esoteric me, rather than the physical me although at a certain scale they are one and the same.
> You're talking about solipsism right?
There are elements of solipsism in my thought process due to the fundamental physical nature of reality, but I don’t think it is exclusively solipsistic because of the shared (delusion) aspect of reality. I guess we could say we are woven together and it is that fabric that I want to examine…if we looked at it in the physical world you could say that I am trying to understand the weft and weave that binds us here.
Could we state as a given (challenge this if you like) that there are universal and infinite principles that govern all aspects of this universe?
So given any circumstance, if we examined it closely enough, that we would see that all the mechanics of the situation are governed by these same principles and the mechanics of their interaction. These principles would guide the mechanical aspect of reality but they would also act as kind of a straight jacket to the observer as well, binding them within this reality. If we think of the individual as the thread and the universal and infinite principles as the ‘pattern’ of the weaver, there must be some way to use or at least understand the same principles to unravel that pattern and free ourselves (ok being honest here, I can only look forward to freeing myself and not others).
Given that solipsism is true, and according to physics it is imminently true, we should never be able to share a reality. Let us say, for example that we were standing face to face with each other and I was observing something behind you while you were observing things behind me. An argument could be made that we were not actually sharing the same reality because we are observing different aspects of the universe with only our mutual observation of each other in common. Let us say that you looking behind me saw a sea and I looking behind you saw a forested mountain range. Now our mutual agreement on the fundamental nature of ‘our reality’ is at odds and not in consensus, for we observe fundamentally different things. [Extrapolating this out to its logical conclusion is interesting]. But if we are governed by those same universal principles then we will share the delusion that they are actually fundamentally similar and thus we come to the shared delusion not that we are in a separate reality, but that we are ‘observing different aspects’ of the same reality. This might be the foundation of the delusion. It might be much more accurate to say that we do not share the same reality because we do not observe the same reality. [This makes most of the universal principles we have been coached to believe like Justice into hideously deformed jokes on humanity though. Most people would reject this thinking altogether due to normalcy bias.]
If we pushed it a little farther, and said that there was a stone in front of us occluding the ‘other’ in the same scenario then we are sharing the same reality but not even observing each other…thus it could be argued that we are sharing nothing of the same reality at all, until I call you and you hear my voice, you must believe that we are not observing/perceiving each other or looking at the same view and yet, the shared reality continues to exist (the principles by which order is established).
So what are these principles and how do we utilize them or understand them to enhance or modify the ‘group delusion’.
>Will to power.
Yes, I think it might be. There are no perceptible restraints on Will as will must be a universal principle and thus a governing mechanism of the universe (part of the pattern).
> Idk, I know I definitely sound tinfoily right now so I'm just going to stop before I show my entire hand.
Too funny anon. :). You know if we followed this conversation we would get to a point where it dissolved into seeming irrelevance and minutia outside the comprehension of the individual observer. Meaning we would automatically come to a point outside either of our own experience that would prohibit our ability to relate to each other. I think this is weird. It is even weirder that people have noticed it and mock it [not you, but powers try to obscure it; for what reason? IDK; what are they hiding? IDK]
> I guess the way I should answer is to share my perspective then?
Can we? I think if there is a shared delusion it takes place on the Meta level.
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5fde07 No.104641
>>104639
Can we? I think if there is a shared delusion it takes place on the Meta level.
Let’s go back to the weft and weave analogy. We are threads at the individual level but on the Meta level we are a vast Persian carpet. While we are at the Meta level the pattern becomes irascibly understood by all…but at the individual thread level, it all breaks down completely, the thread has no concept of the greater manifestation of the idea ‘carpet’. It is just a thread. In the scheme of things if it went missing the pattern would still be relevant. Indeed, one could argue that our very lives, birth, life and death, are simply the end of a weft and weave pattern group, only to be taken up immediately by a new color/aspect of the pattern.
However, if these are universal principles, then what holds true for the Meta must also hold true for the individual threads, right? [I mean technically IDK, I am asking]
This goes back to your comment about a bundle of sticks being stronger together.
Is there some principle that applies to groups that make them greater than the individual or is that simply a perception that is not born out in reality? [we only think that because we are trained to view everything from the Meta level and deny the character and idea of the individual perception].
> So if people operate as observers to atoms, then it could be said a shared reality like you're talking about is possible. Is this the idea behind prayer and religious faiths? Collective consciousness moving humanity in a direction, mans the unstoppable force and the universe the immovable object.
I have all the same questions as you can see anon.
I feel like I am beating my head against a wall constantly [very grim]. But there is a rare instance where I see gestalt and something solidifies in my vision that I didn’t know before.
> A grass roots movement that doesn't get weeded out with poor opsec and good psyops.
I think what I am looking for goes beyond the traditional ideologies. Sort of a shoot for the Moon and maybe you will end up in Cleveland sort of thing. Lol…would that be progress? Well, it would be DIFFERENT. Lol
>If I'm wrong about anything that's fine, I like learning and that's all I'm really here for.
Same here, anon. Same here.
I really enjoyed our conversation and thinking in tandem with you.
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6939de No.104752
>>23869
based, thank you brother
saved
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6939de No.104753
>>30595
>>26215
>>30596
>inb4 shill
Well, at least you know how obvious and sloppy you are.
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06a6fe No.107496
>>6334
That one is so vicious and effective. Seen so many times here. It literally is a progressive poisoning of the well on both sides, with one being done earlier, with the side you want to shoot down being made to look more and more absurd and embarrassing, with the one you control made to look more rational.
>>6335
That one does not work so well on ibs where a simple and well placed meme can bring everyone back on rails.
>>6336
Easily countered with the simple rule: maintain privacy, don't expose your life on internet. Period.
>>6337
Relatively weak on ibs where the trolling and shitposting is part of the culture, so anons grow skills and instincts in detecting worthy posts.
Only insecure bitches fall for it, hardly works on f#/NS boards.
>>6338
Nothing to say other than it happens every single time. When you do know you have good mods, you need them as much as they need you.
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06a6fe No.107499
>>102450
>We should ask ourselves the question; “why were we attracted to image boards?” As well. When you think about it there is nothing ‘special’ about an image board. So what prompted us to come here. Why do we stay?
Easiness of posting pictures, the best vector of communication of ideas and symbols (owning the mind war).
Anonymity, shitposting, venting.
I don't think feds got it at first, but they surely learned quickly and had it cracked before Trump craze. So they came here posting about CIA boomers who "don't get our culture". KEK.
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06a6fe No.107515
>>102597
>Joining any organization is a fear response to your environment, because you have to explicitly admit that you ‘are not good enough’ to handle a situation on your own and need to defer to something larger than yourself to manage the environment. It means that you are inherently deficient.
This is too extreme of a position. One is always lacking in something, yes. Focus on the part where you're actually looking to know more.
>>102613
CP or anything else considered annoying according to local moderation rules such as spam.
>What I do is have to do every time is simply copy/paste my comment or response into a txt file before trying to post.
Just copy and keep it in cache, I think it would be enough unless you're multi-tasking hard.
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f54e78 No.107550
>>107515
>Focus on the part where you're actually looking to know more.
I will be honest with you…’knowing more’ is not always that easy for me. I often, in the past, have had a sort of ‘jettison’ response (so that I can place the data where it needs to go or rearrange my world view or just reassess) until I have time to think things over. This is not really conducive to organizational behavior and norms.
I think this is the main reason why I don’t feel like an organization would be beneficial, or perhaps a greater worry, that I would not be fit for it; my best thinking is done in solitary (again, not conducive to organizational structure; it has been sort of a ‘crash and burn’ with them my whole life).
> One is always lacking in something, yes.
I have a really hard time desiring material things now. My physical/material needs are totally fulfilled.
Data/information needs, well, that is another issue; one that I doubt anyone could help me with (lessen you know a good AI). Lol
> So they came here posting about CIA boomers who "don't get our culture".
Lol…well then I guess Congress hasn’t an ice cubes chance in hell. Lol
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3ee751 No.108029
God I want Gillian Anderson to talk cockney to me… X-Files.
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13139c No.108070
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de8231 No.108422
>>102843
Gnostics are Freemason (big G in square and compass means both Gnostic and Generation) Baal worshiping Caananite cannibal child sacrificing fake Jews fake Semites (currently known as just Jews just Semites) trying to influence psychics and isolate them from normal people to better induct them.
The Kybalion is decent, Truth and Knowledge is good, being a Wizard is rad, but I will avoid the big G for as long as I live.
>>104639
>Given that solipsism is true, and according to physics it is imminently true, we should never be able to share a reality.
I mean listen to this faggot. What absolute garbage. These guys get pulled into shit thinking they're joining a secret club whilst effectively the Big Gs are turning the mentally active, curious minded and intuitive into isolated nobodies with legitimate mental illness spawned out of false preconceptions about reality (or grossly misunderstood ones) and at the exclusion of relevant concepts or facts of reality (such as one is not in their own isolated fucking universe).
All this on a cointelpro pinned thread too.
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9d33d4 No.108425
>>108422
>such as one is not in their own isolated fucking universe
proof?
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de8231 No.108426
>>108425
All of reality supports my position. It is the most likely. Dipshit. I'm sure the proposition seems rather justified by the self-evident misery that is your lonely (millennial) existence, but don't compound the issue with mental illness.
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b5ad5f No.108427
>>108426
>reality supports my position
>most likely
Ok so you have nothing. Nice.
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de8231 No.108428
>>108427
I know your feelings justify your belief that you're all alone and no one will ever exist to love you, but you have to have evidence to back up your belief.
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b5ad5f No.108430
>>108428
You have no evidence to disprove it. Of the two of us, who is more correct in terms of what is simplest? You are adding complexity to a situation by complicating it. I am simply looking at what it is without complications.
Got any proof of ‘love’?
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3c9e42 No.108442
>>108430
>No evidence to disprove it
Every day reality disproves it every moment. We are even arguing over it, which can't be done if you were in your own universe.
>Who is more correct in terms of what is simplest.
Me, as literally everything contradicts your 'theory' and supports mine.
>Adding complexity to a situation by complicating it.
Fuck you just can't into English or logic can you? It's simple. Every day you experience what I'm talking about - other people, other objects, other life, et cetera.
>Got any proof of 'love'?
I was insulting and trashing on you bitch tits. This place isn't for the mentally fucking ill.
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e64c50 No.108471
>>6333
>>6334
>>6335
>>6336
>>6337
>>6338
>>6339
Basically the tactic of every Putin shill and Kremlin sponsored troll.
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fc0ce6 No.108498
>>108442
Because you believe it doesn’t make it real. You only believe it because you are programmed from the youngest age to believe it. The whole structure of reality is programmed into your own belief system. That still doesn’t make it real or even verifiable. Two people can draw and experience the same event totally differently and have a different memories and recollections.
Just because certain thoughts about the way things really are make your balls shrink and threaten you with something unfamiliar doesn’t mean that they are not true.
> This place isn't for the mentally fucking ill.
You should leave then.
You are nothing but a kike slave who can’t question their paradigms, not an independent thinker or someone who shows any potential at all to live outside of whatever they tell you is ‘truth’ or ‘reality’.
>because I say so
This is not really an argument anon. I meant concrete proof.
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1fa9ec No.108564
Every post between >>108070 and this one are absolutely irrelevant to the thread.
Polite sage.
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e64c50 No.108618
>>108564
Mine wasn't. What the OP forgot to mention was that this tactic was used ad nauseam by the resident Kremlin hired shills that polluted the old 8chan. It was done to spread massive amounts of anti-western propaganda to cover up the tracks of the numerous Russian agents and in some lesser extent, Iranian web brigades.
The FBI only got in on this game after the shootings to monitor who might be the next edgy faggot or maybe a child abuser. The term "glow nigger" has be thrown around as a finger pointing accusation to make sure no one noticed the several thousand posts and fake accounts made to scratch Putin's back.
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927008 No.108638
>>108564
It was a throw away thread anon. Unbundle your nutsack. There is no place on /pnd/ for general chatter…that would be greatly improved if there was and there would be no need for derailing because there would be a general thread. The only reason that half this stuff ended up here is because they deleted the White Survival Strategies thread.
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7cc1c9 No.108748
>>108498
What dark spirit inhabits your form? Rebuke them wherever you find them with all your heart, mind and strength.
Recognize the evil that preys upon you.
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9d33d4 No.108758
>>108748
You should probably ask yourself this question don't you think? You are the one who cannot see reality or understand what is happening around you. I am not 'wrong' for having gathered knowledge; you are not 'right' for remaining ignorant.
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c980e6 No.108961
>>6333
Can you guys help 4/pol/? We are being raided hard and it's impossible to discuss anything anymore.
There are constant off-topic bait threads on the catalog.
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8e07ed No.109059
>>108961
>Can you guys help 4/pol/?
We left in 2014 for a reason. And now this place is completely dead, for similar reasons. Unless you have a back door into moderator tools or can physically take down the site's servers and erase its backup, there's no point. No "help" will be sufficient to stop it.
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927008 No.109105
>>108961
4cucks is dead anon. You are not alone though. The entire internet is dead.
The kikes killed it
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e80190 No.109108
>>109105
It's working fine here.
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927008 No.109110
>>109108
Are you European?
You know what allegory is, right?
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61bae3 No.109576
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403ae9 No.110079
>>109576
Well the Olympic symbology is five rings so someone smart get to thinking we haven't got all of eternity. Well I do. Irregardless someone start crunching those numbers
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017fe3 No.110219
>>109059
If you're a gamergate fag you probably jerk of to hentai or some other shit, play video games all day on your PC that you've spent more into than your actual real world investments and are probably morbidly obese.
You people had to move to a different image board because you couldn't express your dissatisfaction of PC culture in video games???!! I'd understand if you guys were mad because of censorship of threads about real world issues, but video games… come on man. There really is no future for us unfortunately.
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47b26a No.110295
>>110219
>(1)
cool cough xi, I think we will bring democracy to your country
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gg are the vanguard. GG was the spanish civil war where we learned of the tools to be used against us.
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e80190 No.110350
>>110295
I can't wait for China to bury you.
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452a3d No.110459
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a1f04c No.111248
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72e4cf No.111445
>>108961
Have you attempted pursuing traditional educational qualifications? There's no objective reason to take you seriously, perhaps you should try facebook or myspace?
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d85bc5 No.136779
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60692c No.137285
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3956fb No.138732
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51f49a No.139060
>>6337
Ironically, you can actually turn this tactic around against them by posting anime reaction images; namely moe. Glowniggers and newfags are easily triggered by moe-posting. It's why I make it a point to post smugs once-in-a-while as the ones attempting to derail are like flies drawn to honey with it. You can tell the legit posters because they ignore the reaction image and address the post directly.
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