Is there a paradox in Christianity? A good person does not take negative opinion of them to heart. Hence>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well.But this would then include when people think you are a bad person.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 04:34:52 fcdf4a No.168392

Is there a paradox in Christianity? A good person does not take negative opinion of them to heart. Hence

>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well.

But this would then include when people think you are a bad person. A truly good person could have the whole world think they are the scum of the Earth and not be insulted at all, and then by definition they are good. Even pointing out that they are insulted by you thinking they are bad, even this they wouldn't take to heart. In other words you can't know a single thing about your own character from other people's opinion of you. Is this why Jesus was punished even though he was innocent?

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 04:57:26 1f511e No.168395

>>168392

Phrase your ideas in an intelligible way before posting.

What does stealing have to do with someone's opinion of you?

Why does not being insulted make you a good person?

Why can't you know anything about your character from other peoples' opinion?

What does this have to do with Jesus getting punished?

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 05:21:25 389d99 No.168397

>>168392

A good person doesn't let wicked people have dominion over them. Masochist fuck.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 05:23:22 ddbb37 No.168398

>>168395

>What does stealing have to do with someone's opinion of you?

I didn't say anything about stealing.

>Why does not being insulted make you a good person?

That's what's said. Being insulted is an ego reaction.

>Why can't you know anything about your character from other peoples' opinion?

That's what the whole post was about. A good person doesn't take to heart negative opinion of him, not even if that opinion is that he is very bad but if he doesn't take the opinion to heart then he is by definition not bad, that's the paradox and that's why you can't know anything about your character from other people's opinion.

>What does this have to do with Jesus getting punished?

The idea is that those punishing are expressing an opinion. "you are very bad" But he is said to have been innocent. Maybe this is an illustration of the paradox above, like we can outwardly be bad, others can have the opinion that we are bad, but we can still at the core be good, so Jesus being innocent is some type of true self inside us while the Jesus that is being punished by the Jews/Romans/whatever represents our outer apparent self.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 05:47:56 1f511e No.168407

>>168398

>The idea is that those punishing are expressing an opinion. "you are very bad" But he is said to have been innocent. Maybe this is an illustration of the paradox above, like we can outwardly be bad, others can have the opinion that we are bad, but we can still at the core be good, so Jesus being innocent is some type of true self inside us while the Jesus that is being punished by the Jews/Romans/whatever represents our outer apparent self.

You couldn't just make your op only this? I feel bad for you now. It's as if demons are keeping you from conveying your ideas properly. Stop doing drugs and stop listening to new age crap and "gurus"

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Anonymous SAGE! 10/20/20 (Tue) 05:59:59 c7385e No.168408

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Anonymous SAGE! 10/20/20 (Tue) 06:04:04 c7385e No.168409

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>>168408

wrong pic

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 06:20:51 4f82c4 No.168410

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>>168392

Actually that is practical advice on effective non-violent forms of aggression against those who would wrong you. It's in the same vein as "Walk the extra mile" and "Turn the other cheek." Cultural and historical context is key to understanding what Jesus is proposing:

Judea is occupied territory, governed by foreign Romans with alien customs as well as corrupt Jews (Pharisees). Both factions are powerful enough to crush most forms of traditional resistance, typically physical violence and intellectual overpowering. Since resistance is still desired, how does a man effectively resist these powers without getting crushed in turn?

You know your enemy, and then use his own customs/spiritual nature against himself. The Romans were extremely proud and legalistic, having customs of respect versus disdain when slapping others and humanitarian laws severely punishing those who made locals carry their equipment for more than one mile. Resisting them physically assured you loss, but instead Jesus said to force those Romans who would abuse them to either slap them as an equal by turning their cheek just so or to stop slapping them, or to always carry their equipment more than a mile so as to invite punishment from their overseers or to make them stop making you carry their shit.

With the shirt and tunic (coat) part, that's subverting Jewish customs that inflicts a great deal of shame on a creditor for taking away your clothes and keeping it for more than a day. By making him look like a total asshole in the eyes of other Jews, one could make him stop abusing you by being overly generous and magnanimous in the face of his abusiveness.

This is not meekly inviting more abuses on oneself, of being a doormat. It's quite the opposite. It's presenting a terribly moral, cultural, and social dilemma on those who would abuse you that either makes them suffer consequences they would rather not suffer for harming you, or to stop harming you. It's highly aggressive and the equivalent of spiritual judo, requiring a deep knowledge and even respect of your enemies in order to be effective about it.

If people understood this principle a little more clearly, instead of the modern-day heresy of Jesus meek and mild doormat, they would be fairing far better against the abuses being levied against them from anti-white sources. Ghandi understood the principle very well and used it effectively against the British, whom he came to know intimately by studying in their Universities abroad from India. It is not pacifism for its own sake, but effective means of conquering your enemies in lieu of ineffective means - like violence against the Romans or intellectual gamesmanship against Pharisees.

P.S. Jesus was not innocent. He was very guilty of the highest crime against any power, which is to be an effective threat to it. The Romans didn't give a damn about him really, but the Jews recognized his threat (being subversives themselves) and managed to rope the Romans into executing him.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 09:35:31 009248 No.168430

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>>168392

It's all a bunch of Jewish gibberish.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 09:49:57 feed55 No.168432

>>168410

Well said. It definitely still applies today with the idea of "Hold your enemy to their own standards" by forcing them to come into conflict with their peers.

I feel like a major problem has been subversives that have gained institutional power who do not actually have any standards at all. The only thing they care about is power. The phrase "No bad tactics, only bad targets" comes to mind.

This means you cannot effectively hold them to their own standards. Of course the rank and file have their own beliefs and will contradict one another, but the higher ups always have fewer standards than the underlings.

Having no moral standards for the sake of acquiring power is extremely effective, but I am unsure how long it will be effective before people learn well of it. Of course they want to drug and kill off the most threatening of the population before that happens. It's almost like an extinction event, but specifically for people of strong morals.

My hope at the absolute least is that their children are lazier than they are about having no morals to gain power.

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Anonymous SAGE! 10/20/20 (Tue) 12:25:09 120185 No.168446

>>168430

>same paid jewish shilling spammed for decades

At least you out yourself.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 14:02:36 51b368 No.168454

Christianity is based on quotations that were metaphorical, had their own context, and at times were even contradictory. They were NOT meant to be written down and turned holy scripture. They were especially not meant to supplement laws of the old books.

Thus was created a bastard religion that is showing it's final form.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 16:01:37 ae5a47 No.168485

>>168392

>Is there a paradox in Christianity?

You have to be kidding. Everything in Christianity contradicts itself some way, and fedora tipping atheists think that it's a bad thing, but it's a good thing, because it makes you to think, and gives flexibility.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 16:55:45 56a4b1 No.168506

>>168409

Why narcissism? Why don't you say something instead of just a picture. Narcissism because you think it's saying you're good even if others think you're bad? Not necessarily. I think the Christian concept of repenting is actually the same thing as not taking the negative opinion of others to heart. However perhaps one might only attain this separation within oneself which I'm talking about if one has a big ego, i.e. perhaps narcissism. Michael Laitman said Jews have a bigger ego than others. The Bible says those who are chosen by God are hated by the world. Having a big ego makes you hated.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 16:58:14 56a4b1 No.168508

>>168410

I don't think you are addressing my point at all (OP)

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 17:12:32 edd481 No.168511

>>168392

>let him have your coat as well.

This is about materialism anon, but you could argue that this was one reason the state executed him in the story. Christians today are consoooooomers so they aren't much of a threat. Imagine the repercussions economically in a nation where Christians actually honored the vow of poverty.

Also

>A truly good person could have the whole world think they are the scum of the Earth and not be insulted at all, and then by definition they are good

This is some doublenigger tier logic.

>if you think you're good then by definition you're good even if other people think you're bad

Not at all how it works, even in christcuckery they "shall be known by their good works" not what you or anyone else imagines about yourself.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 17:24:29 edd481 No.168512

>>168410

>If people understood this principle a little more clearly, instead of the modern-day heresy of Jesus meek and mild doormat,

Except that is exactly what it is in practice today, and why this slave morality doesn't work anymore. In order for this to work there has to be actual consequences for the abusers in society, but there are none. It would also require that the abuser have the capacity for self-reflection, and often they don't.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 21:33:12 c7385e No.168564

>>168512

Reminds me of this one time this weird lady was asking if i believe in god/jesus once. I shy away with the answer say yeahh, then she was oh you do now, i understand some people are bible thumpers but he really help me get off of crack(Hue). That i blah went through these issues but he saved me because I was afraid of judgement which lead me to my choices in life so you should be save yourself. I respond then that people judge themselves either way and I understand you get what you sow but it's better to know yourself so these issues won't just pop out just because of situations. To ask yourself why you do anythings on the effect instead of the causes. She got all upset about it and said imma give you a book the next time we meet to help you (local where im at) but never did and totally forgot once i brought it up. Yeah this slave/redeemer morality just evolved into a big circle jerk of who had the most problems which they no long have to prove they have the glory of the redeemer.

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Anonymous 10/20/20 (Tue) 22:07:11 6357a4 No.168574

>>168392

>paradox

No, just the one. Luke.

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Anonymous 10/21/20 (Wed) 03:09:47 1fb6f2 No.168635

Jesus saw how corruption has destroyed the Jewish religion as they use to make a special coin that didn't have any of the pagan Roman emperors.Making it hard for the average jew to pray and use the Temple,Jesus had fought against and was killed for it.

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Anonymous 10/21/20 (Wed) 04:57:17 57dc4f No.168640

>>168511

>>if you think you're good then by definition you're good even if other people think you're bad

I didn't say that did I?

>Not at all how it works, even in christcuckery they "shall be known by their good works" not what you or anyone else imagines about yourself.

Christianity says you can't be saved through works. And Christianity says those that are chosen by God are hated by the world. The world hates=the world sees as bad

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Anonymous 10/21/20 (Wed) 05:43:48 c7385e No.168649

>>168640

I think you mean

>>if you think you're "Wholesome" then by definition you're good even if other people think you're bad (Envy/jealously).

Or the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Look into Plato's Cave.

Born in the world(kósmos), of the world. Death of the world(kósmos) and rebirth in the spirit is the creation of reason(logos). Humans can change their perceptions to match a belief which can be altered through the senses.

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Anonymous 10/21/20 (Wed) 14:58:43 708fcb No.168745

>>168649

not a single fucking person in this thread is intelligent enough to understand the op, including you retard

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Anonymous 10/23/20 (Fri) 12:37:17 9da2ed No.169177

>>168485

your words don't add up.

the bible made it clear who the enemy was.

The father of all lies, and the Synagogue of Satan.

John 8

Revelations 2:9,3:9

The problem you have is that you believe Jews and Hebrews are the same thing.

How are Ashkenazim semitic?

And how are Israelites descended from Japheth?

Are you one who dares not read the bible, and omits what was left in it?

Genesis 10: 1 The increase of mankind by Noah and his sons. 10 The beginning of cities, countries, and nations.

1 Now these are the [a]generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth: unto whom sons were born after the flood.

2 The sons of Japheth were Gomer, and Magog, and [b]Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.

3 And the sons of Gomer, Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

4 Also the sons of Javan, Elishah and Tarshish, Kittim, and Dodanim.

5 Of these were the [c]isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands, every man after his tongue, and after their families in their nations.

6 ¶ Moreover, the sons of Ham were [d]Cush, and Mizraim, and Put, and Canaan.

7 And the sons of Cush, Seba and Havilah, and Sabtah, and Raamah, and Sabtechah: also the sons of Raamah were Sheba and Dedan.

8 And Cush begat Nimrod, who began to be [e]mighty in the earth.

9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord. Wherefore it is said, [f]As Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of [g]Shinar.

11 Out of that land came Assyria, and built Nineveh, and the [h]city Rehoboth, and Calah:

12 Resen also between Nineveh and Calah: this is a great city.

13 And Mizraim begat [i]Ludim, and Anamim, and Lehabim, and Naphtuhim.

14 Pathrusim also, and Casluhim (out of whom came the Philistines) and [j]Caphtorims.

15 Also Canaan begat Sidon his firstborn, and Heth,

16 And Jebusi, and Emori, and Girgashi,

17 And Hivi, and Arki, and Sini,

18 And Arvadi, and Zemari, and Hamathi: and afterward were the families of the Canaanites spread abroad.

19 Then the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar until Gaza, and as thou goest unto Sodom and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboiim, even unto Lasha.

20 These are the sons of Ham according to their families, according to their tongues in their countries, and in their nations.

21 ¶ Unto [k]Shem also the father of all the sons of [l]Eber, and elder brother of Japheth were children born.

22 The sons of Shem were Elam and Asshur, and Arphaxad, and Lud, and Aram.

23 And the sons of Aram, Uz and Hul, and Gether, and Mash.

24 Also Arphaxad begat Salah, and Salah begat Eber.

25 Unto Eber also were born two sons: the name of the one was Peleg: for in his days was the earth [m]divided: and his brother’s name was Joktan.

26 Then Joktan begat Almodad, and Sheleph, and Hazarmaveth, and Jerah,

27 And Hadoram, and Uzal, and Diklah,

28 And Obal, and Abimael, and Sheba,

29 And Ophir, and Havilah, and Jobab: all these were the sons of Joktan.

30 And their dwelling was from Mesha, as thou goest up to Sephar, a mount of the East.

31 These are the sons of Shem, according to their families, according to their tongues in their countries and nations.

32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations among their people: and [n]out of these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.

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Anonymous 10/23/20 (Fri) 12:37:32 9da2ed No.169178