93d98b No.165993
I think there's a paradox in Christianity. Let's say someone is insulted and beats up the person he thinks is insulting him. He is then arrested and put in prison. In effect the prison punishment is a pointing at this person and saying "you are bad", it's an expression of opinion and attitude. But the thing that made him bad is that he was insulted. In other words the opinion and attitude of the person he beat up affected him emotionally, whereas a good person, someone who is like Jesus, wouldn't be hurt by the opinion and attitude, wouldn't have an emotional reaction to it, wouldn't take it to heart. Well the paradox is that the exact same thing is happening again now that he is being punished by prison, an opinion and attitude is shown, and a good person, likewise, would not be hurt by it, wouldn't have an emotional reaction to it, wouldn't take it to heart. It seems then as if you can't tell anything at all about your own character from other people. I think this has something to do with why Jesus in the Bible was punished even though he was sinless. It's probably metaphor. Sacrifice or not, I don't know.
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8e4c93 No.166002
>>165993
It's not a paradox. What makes a person good isn't determined by society.
People lie or are mistaken, you know?
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4a7186 No.166005
>But the thing that made him bad is that he was insulted
No, the thing that made him bad was he was a low impulse control moron that runs on feeling and thinks a person having a different opinion or telling him something he doesn't want to hear is grounds to attack them.
Laws and prison doesn't have anything to do with Christianity anyway, because they existed in pre-Christian eras, so how is this a Christian paradox?
>Well the paradox is that the exact same thing is happening again now that he is being punished by prison
Why, because he dindu nuffin?
>It seems then as if you can't tell anything at all about your own character from other people
If you attack people for their words, I think you can make some pretty good assessments about your own character.
>I think this has something to do with why Jesus in the Bible was punished even though he was sinless.
Jesus was representative of the Jewish rebellion against Rome. That's why he said "I bring not peace but a sword," ""But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one," and why he was flipping the tables of money changers had his boy Thomas cutting off people ears.
He was killed because he was a rebel leader against Rome annexing Judea, like they did with Egypt not long before that when they invaded while Cleopatra XIII and Mark Antony were in charge.
History is rewritten by the victor after a war, which is why the bible was edited, the teachings were tampered with, and people hid the dead sea scrolls away so they wouldn't be destroyed.
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93d98b No.166008
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93d98b No.166018
Fucking idiots. The person he felt insulted by was expressing an opinion and an attitude. A good person would not have been insulted, would not have taken it to heart. The same thing is happening when the court is sentencing him to prison, it is expressing an opinion and an attitude of him. But just like a good person wouldn't have taken the first opinion to heart, it wouldn't take this opinion to heart. Repenting in Christianity is literally not taking to heart, it's the same thing. That's why the Bible says
>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well
In other words when someone insults you say "yes this is true, and I have this other flaw as well". Only an unrepenting person is insulted, he is trying to protect his ego.
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4a7186 No.166021
>>166018
>Repenting in Christianity is literally not taking to heart, it's the same thing.
<Repentance is the activity of reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by commitment to and actual actions that show and prove a change for the better
Repentance is absolutely taking your own behavior to heart. Re = again; pent (i.e. pen, cage, contain, as in pent up). It means to contain once again your bad impulses, because you know they're bad and take action to stop them.
You are a fucking idiot.
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4a7186 No.166022
>>166018
>If anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, let him have your coat as well
That's Cuckstianity for you
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93d98b No.166024
>>166021
to take to heart means to be insulted, not to confess, they're literally opposites, retard
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93d98b No.166025
>>166021
>Re = again; pent (i.e. pen, cage, contain, as in pent up). It means to contain once again your bad impulses, because you know they're bad and take action to stop them.
You made this up, idiot.
>Origin of repent1
1250–1300; Middle English repenten<Old French repentir, equivalent to re-re- + pentir to feel sorrow (<Latin paenitēre to regret, be sorry); see penitent
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4a7186 No.166026
>>166024
Take to heart means to take something seriously; to internalize or live according to something. I.E "Take my advice to heart"
It's not necessarily about insulting etc
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4a7186 No.166027
>>166025
Ok, I'll give you that. But it certainly doesn't mean "Not taking to heart"
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93d98b No.166028
>>166026
Not the way I used it. I was talking about feeling insulted by someone's opinion and attitude of you.
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4a7186 No.166029
Besides, the moral of the story is "Don't be a dipshit and attack people for calling you a dipshit."
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93d98b No.166030
>>166029
>>166027
You haven't understood a fucking thing in this thread. Plus you just fucking made up a definition of repent, so you're clearly not an authority on that. But either way get the point, but you can't. There was a video where Bashar, a "guru", was talking about how you don't take someone's negative opinion of you to heart if you know it's not true and it never is true. I think Christianity is saying the same thing but it's saying repent and when you are repenting fully you are disconnecting from the ego, the "lower self", being in the "higher self"/Jesus which is not insulted/taking it to heart because it's sinless, the ego is the sinner, the higher self is not, repenting disassociates you from the false lower self and connects you with the higher self/Jesus. Repenting is not taking other people's negative attitude to heart. When you're emotionally affected you are not repenting.
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f1401c No.166061
>>166008
Projecting, lo from the sidelines, a critic, a voice who won't admit it.
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4a7186 No.166122
>>166030
I get the point. My point is idiots don't have the capability of moderating their emotions and relying on reason. The "lower self" is the limbic system and associative memory, and the "higher self" is reason, logic, the neo-cortex.
You need to have a certain level of intelligence to to that. The rest of the people are kept in line with fear, lies and force.
"Little ones must be fed with milk, but that meat is the food of strong men"
"I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for till now you were not able to bear it, neither yet now are you able." 1 Corinthians 3:2
The act of repenting is realizing you're doing wrong and working to change it, so it is very much taking it to heart. To be sorry is to be emotionally affected.
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7b1f8f No.166125
>>166122
>My point is idiots don't have the capability of moderating their emotions and relying on reason
All political opinions are based on emotions. You only use logic and reasoning to justify those feelings.
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4a7186 No.166128
>>166125
I never said they weren't. I said reason moderates your emotions, not that it's the absolution source of all decisions.
There is no objective logical reason as to why one should not be enslaved, but I'm not going to allow myself to be.
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eb36fd No.166137
>>165993
> being locked in a prison cage is the same as hearing mean words.
Obviously you are literally retarded
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bf3b1a No.166159
>>166122
>I get the point.
No you don't. You still haven't understood a fucking thing. Don't know what the milk and meat passages have to do with the topic.
A noble man doesn't take negative opinion of him to heart. The paradox is that a truly noble man can have the whole world telling him he is not noble, the opposite of noble, the scum of the earth, the lowest of the low, put him in prison, say he is an animal, a criminal, a retard, etc and yet not take any of it to heart. That's why I said you can't know anything about your character from other people.
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bf3b1a No.166160
>>166137
the retard is you
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97e451 No.172227
>>165993
That's not really a paradox. Lets separate the two, into the "insulted" and "insulter"
They're both in the wrong, according to traditional Orthodox teaching. The insulter for provoking (he's lacking in restraint of his tongue), and the insulted (he's lacking in restraint of his emotions) for reacting. The judicial system is wholly irrelevant. Jesus Christ would have neither insulted, nor been offended by a personal attack. Jesus Christ only becomes angry when God is insulted (like when he flipped over tables in the temple,) So if the "insulter" was offending God, by teaching other blatant heresy, you would have every right to shut him up, but by using as little force as necessary to achieve those ends.
>It seems then as if you can't tell anything at all about your own character from other people
100% incorrect. You can learn the state of your own character, by how you react to any other person. You can learn your level of empathy by how much you care for others that you don't know that you come across, you can tell how intelligent you are in relation to others if you have humility. You can tell if you're easily provoked if you emotionally respond to insults etc.
The main Christian idea is suffering love. It's what a mother/father do for their child to the best of their ability. It's the path to minimize the pain and suffering in the world, it will still exist, for man is fallen and inclined to sin. We're can't help but inherit the damage from the bad choices of our forefathers, and their forefathers before them, but we can reduce the amount of evil that gets directed towards others, by not reciprocating evil for evil.
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4e9cfa No.172244
>>172227
>Jesus Christ would have neither insulted, nor been offended by a personal attack. Jesus Christ only becomes angry when God is insulted
You literally lack the self-awareness to realize you just said Jesus is not God.
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97e451 No.172278
>>172244
You're correct, I should have specified that the insult was directed towards the Father in that example.
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