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Python is the cancer of programming.

>>148101

Yes I can advice you. You need to be more specific in what you want to do with it though. If you say "I wanna do machine learning!" I recommend knowing statistics, and Bayesian statistics. Also you'd prob want the anaconda distribution so you don't have to manually download a fuckton of libraries you'll encounter.

>>148136

Wow thanks anon. I feel so inspired now. Thing is, I learned on Python years ago and I want to see how quickly I can get back up to speed.

>>148140

Thanks anon. ;^)

>>148151

Well, ideally, and this might be too ambitious, but I have a lot of time on my hands and I am studying theory of the mind, biology, chemistry and mathematics right now but I want to create a sentient digital wolf pack.

Yes, the Bayesian brain comes up a lot in my current studies/research; definitely on my list of things to learn. I will research that. I have actually never studied statistics, but I always wanted to so this is my big chance to study both.

Anaconda distribution, Check! Thanks for that recommendation. I really appreciate your help.

>>148156

https://www.sendspace.com/file/fi6t35

REA Problem Solvers Statistics

https://www.sendspace.com/file/44446f

Torrent tracker for algorithms and data structures

in Python by

https://www.udemy.com/user/holczerbalazs/

Udemy video

>>148160

>https://www.udemy.com/user/holczerbalazs/

This looks like a great resource.

Thanks so much for the other links anon. :)

>>148162

Go join up at Rutracker.org and sign up..use Chrome page translate.

Go digging

>>148163

There are some interesting (!!) things on that one too and I barely scratched the surface.

>>148136

Why do you say that? It's functional and effective - not really sure why you'd say it's "the cancer of programming" - care to explain your position anon?

Listen to oldfag hacker here.

All coding and generally most things in life are decomposition

Or to avoid using big words, anything that could possibly be done, can be done by splitting shit up into parts.

How do you learn python? You don't know how? Split task into two parts. 1) find how to learn it 2) learn it

Now take first part. How do you find shit? You live in what is pretty much science fiction universe comparing to someone from 1980. When you want to find out something that reasonably has an answer you just Google it. Its fucking magic.

Just just keep splitting shit up until the result are elementary and actionable. Once you have something actionable you do it.

Like how do you make spaghetti. You 1) boil water 2) drop spaghetti 3) wait 4) drain water. How do you boil water? You 1) put water into a saucepan 2) put it on a stove 3) turn stove on

Above seems elementary, but this is universal principle on how mankind accomplished anything, from hunting a mammoth to building a nuclear reactor

>>148169

Having said all that though, even if you wanted to program in C or C++, it's advised by someone as astute and brilliant as Dmitri Nesteruk to master Python before you take on C++. Dmitri is the guy who started Jetbrains, created Pycharm and the Jetbrains academy.

https://www.jetbrains.com/academy/

He also created Resharper for C++

https://www.jetbrains.com/resharper-cpp/features/

ReSharper C++ makes Visual Studio a better IDE for C++ developers, providing on-the-fly code analysis, quick-fixes, powerful search and navigation, smart code completion, refactorings, a variety of code generation options and other features

Hang yourself OP.

>>148101

> Relearning Python Machine language

Sounds complicated. Why not start with x86 machine language and work your way up?

>>148156

> but I want to create a sentient digital wolf pack.

What does this mean? You want to create some kind of environment where you have bots interacting with each other? The bots will follow whatever you will feed them. I'm still not really sure what you want.

> I have actually never studied statistics

Well a statistics book that university uses will suffice. The good ones are around 800-1200 pages with lots of examples and also how you can do the statistics yourself with R or SPSS. I think my university used the book 'elementary statistics' by Triola. It'll give you a solid grasp of statistics (and you can torrent it), but if you want to dive in that deep and are inside university you might as well try to choose an elective in basic statistics. That way you'll also be qualified in it for future employers since statistical knowledge is a requirement for a lot of jobs. Its also a huge req to even read basic science since everything uses statistical tests to proof something.

From there on out I'd look into picking up books about basic machine learning. Can also pick up a book about more general artificial intelligence (incl stuff like FSM / expert systems and other types of attempts at creating some kind of artificial intelligence / decision making).

>>148178

There are ways / libraries to convert python into machine code (C) however that's not always feasible. For some applications the length of task is faster / more convenient in python though.

> memory management

Can be really annoying to work with in my experience with python.

>>148180

If you want to know how computers work at a machine level, you can't really avoid C++. I still recommend learning java or python before delving into that since some concepts can be quite advanced. Some will require you to understand logic representations / set theory depending on what you want to do as well. For some stuff its better to just download a linux distribution since windows can be quite limiting if not impossible to do certain specific things on.

>>148101

python is the most annoying language i've ever had to use, i even prefer MATLAB

you're lucky some non-brain-dead dudes created wrappers for C++ libraries or that language would be worthless

>>148215

why C++? it's an OOP language

assembly then C is how you learn it

>>148216

Thanks for correcting, I meant to say C.

>>148173

OP here

<3 Thanks oldfag. I didn't think any of you guys remained. Miss you guys.

>>148180

Brilliant anon. Yes, they wanted us to start with Python and move to C at the time I was in school. I was thinking of Python as a sort of space to test ideas and mock things up. Right now, I am not even sure how to go about doing what I want…I just thought it would be nice to develop some digital doggos for myself since I should have stayed with my studies and did not. Digital doggos seem like they would be excellent companions and good for hunting things that I might want…when I was first considering it I thought I might rig up a way to 'feed' them on the data of non-Whites…sort of clean up the digital domain so to speak from all the trash that has accumulated in it. I am just entertaining myself with that thought tho. I am sure that would not be pragmatic and it might be 'frowned on' by certain aspects of our kike government. lol

>>148284

Actually I was already studying VEX and Python for Houdini but you got me going so I just installed CLion (C++) and connected it to mingw w67 v7.0.0

It's a good IDE.

>>148202

Time is a factor in my decisions.

>>148192

faggot

>>148215

No, not really…in part I am try to test out some ideas about chemistry, physics and symbolism and the material world that will be ported in a digital domain.

Does it seem like I don't know what I am doing yet? You are correct, not a programmer, I was brought into the program for the 'design' cross pollination aspect, not because I was technically proficient.

This is just a hobby for me to entertain me and try out 'material representation' in the digital world so I can learn a few things and should I produce some digital doggos I will be totally delighted to see something new in the world. I was rather good with robots and different types of flocking before I quit, but I wasn't focused, did most things intuitively (you know just try something until it works sort of mentality) and wasn't methodical because I had no purpose for learning what I was learning.

I will be more careful, methodical, patient and interested this time because I have a purpose for attempting it.

>>148286

Well, I really appreciate you anon. I appreciate your help. ;)

Automate the Boring Stuff with Python is good place to start

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

there's a fat guy methhead following me around telling me I owe him money.

have never bought drugs in my life.

>>148310

It's funny until you realize that it's true.

Indians do copious amounts of meth, and are still fat as fuck.

I won't write a single line of code for anybody else. I will only program for my own uses.

Not just the Affirmative Action having to possibly bandaid their code, but also just don't want a supervisor that has no clue what they are asking for.

>>148177

Is their an alternative to Karl Fristan's Bayesian 'brains'? I spent some time today looking at the Markov blankets and they can't do what I need them to do; they are close, but incorrect for my purposes because they are simply symbolic representations rather than a dynamic creation. You could run that code until the cows came home and it would never possess a sentient aspect. And you could completely 'go off with it' and make it crazy huge and crazy complex and it would still never achieve sentience. This is not really what I wanted.

>>148324

>Fashionable languages like Python and Ruby are mostly used by people who talk big but don't actually know what they're doing.

;) so what you are saying is that it is perfect for someone like me.

Oh, shit no way would I go into programming anon. My dad was a programmer/data analyst (a very, very good one) and I know the score on that one. This is just a way for me to make some little frens for myself and test some more profound aspects of the material world out in a simulated environment (so I don't wreck shit in the material world or do something that can't 'be undone'). I absolutely abhor pajeets with a passion.

>>148329

I am deeply sympathetic anon. Good God have I worked with some incompetent morons in the past…there is nothing like that to 'cure you' from ever having the remotest desire to 'take money in trade' for having to put up with their fucking dumb asses.

This has potential tho.

>ergodicity is a property of a (discrete or continuous) dynamical system which expresses a form of irreducibility of the system

This has some real potential as well. Very exciting.

As a peabrain I can offer these pieces of advice.

Emotionally/mentally: after you finished some basic tutorials do something. Do not get in the never ending cycle of following tutorial after tutorial. You need to do something of your own. It's irrelevant if you're doing something useful or unique. Just code away. Try to align your project with your interests so you can keep yourself motivated.

Tools: for Python use Anaconda as >>148151 said. It will save you a ton of headaches. Pip is crap, you'll bump into problems for sure.

If you're not sure what editor to use just get Visual Studio Code.

Knowledge: Learn the basics of databases. SQLite is great, relatively powerful, available for all platforms and you can import it into any project.

You will also need to move data all around. JSON is the standard to do it nowadays.

Learn the data structures of your language. They will be your building blocks. Python has a lot of great ones (Tuples, lists, dictionaries, etc.)

Breakpoints are great at helping you understand why your shit is not working as you want it to.

Practicality: adapt your workflow to your way of doing things. If you're dealing with data and you're good using MS Excel then you could make your apps connect to it. There's a nice library called xlwings that connects Python and Excel seamlessly.

Focus: get to know well one language before moving to another one. Do not wear yourself thin by learning JavaScript, Python, C# and R. Focus on one thing and once you consider yourself more than decent then move to another language if you feel like it.

Libraries: learning a language is part of the challenge but most of the heavy work involves properly using external libraries.

Getting help: somewhere there was a pajeet before you asking the same thing you're wondering how to do. Google using natural phrases (e.g.: How to transform a dictionary into a list in Python) and you'll get some link with the answer.

Good luck and don't get burned out with too much information!

>>148448

>Good luck and don't get burned out with too much information!

I am a bit overwhelmed, honestly. But excited as well. I have to figure out the architecture of the system as well as relearning to program and before I had such good teachers and great support from the school. Thank you so much anon. I know that it can be done if I just do it one step at a time.

<How do you eat an elephant; one bite at a time

:)

I guess the pajeets will be good for something even if it is just asking dumb questions on Google that may save my ass (since they don't know how to code either…lol).

Ding dang it. I am OP, my UID changed again.

>>148324

>C is the go to for desktop applications.

It's like you don't even care that you ruined the credibility of your larp.

https://thepiratebay.org/search.php?q=udemy+python&all=on&search=Pirate+Search&page=0&orderby=

haha..

>>148500

All the DCCs like Maya and Houdini use Python. Everything you say is true particularly for sysadmins but you simply have to choose the right tool for the job. Python and Java are good stepping stones to C and C++.

>>148517

>Maya

Gotta learn Blender.

>Python and Java are good stepping stones to C and C++.

Not at all. C is a good stepping stone to everything based on it.

Everything based on it is not a good stepping stone to C.

Scripting languages can't make you understand that comparing signed and unsigned values

will convert to unsigned resulting in int 1 being larger than unsigned int 50.

Even for understanding C++, C understanding is helpful. The abstraction doesn't tell you that classes ares structures with values and function pointers

and when you call a function in an object, you basically call the function with a pointer to the structure as the first argument like in some C libraries.

The reason big corps use python, Go, Rust or Java programmers is because they are cheaper.

>>148341

50k a year isn't enough money.

>>148522

>Gotta learn Blender.

Python is standard for DCCs, Individual DCCs have their own scripting language like MEL but Python is pretty much industry wide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKJ9baoC5Uk

https://docs.substance3d.com/sddoc/scripting-172825017.html

And Python despite all indications to the contrary is still far from being a standard app in the film or game industry. It's made some huge improvements thanks to $20 million in EU development money though.

>>148537

>industry wide

*pajindustry wide

FTFY

>>148539

It's a bitter tale…

>>148542

Should just switch profession instead of letting yourself be exploited.

>>148541

Not really. The money is fine to live in most places. It's not enough to deal with the absolute shit of humanity involved in that field. Literally the worse personality traits that can be found in humans gravitate and are involved in that particular field, and that amount of pay isn't enough to compensate dealing with them. Especially not the middle management.

When your skillet ranges as widely as mine does, you learn that it's insane to work in the corporate environment. Their alternative was to go full blown inclusive safe spacey. So then you have to work with the oppressed feelings crowd, that becomes even more dangerous if they find out you find a lot of their beliefs to be ridiculous.

Not worth it. You can't win in that field unless you are Pajeet and willing to cuck for $50k a year.

I chose homelessness over it. No regrets.

>>148545

>I chose homelessness over it. No regrets.

So are you homeless or were you? Where did you sleep?

>>148552

I am.

I slept in a king sized bed last night. Quite soundly too.

>>148554

In a hotel or where?

What do you currently do to keep yourself afloat?

>>148545

respect, 10/10. please give details though

not as worried about pajeets as i am about the africans that are coming in the field and their retardation is obfuscated, the amount of retarded people that think they are doing some advanced 'hi-tech' stuff or have suddenly become math wizards is blood-boiling

i'm thinking of accepting it for a few years then moving to a small house in the middle of nowhere. they're very cheap in some places in europe

>>148536

God no. Time is the most precious thing you could ever possess; the idea of trading the most precious commodity in life to be annoyed hourly by smelly poo in the loos would literally make life not worth living. Besides, you would be homeless in the Bay Area if you only made 50k.

>>148499

Those are some good looking books anon. Saved. Will see if I can find them used online somewhere.

>>148554

Me too anon, but give us your story. Don't be such a tease.

>>148558

Are you asking OP or the other homeless White meat?

I don't work. I was 'involuntarily retired' in 2008/09 from a promising career. Was homeless, etc. But finally an investment I made when I was 14 yo came in and now I 'learn to code', learn everything else I can dream of or get my hands on and shitpost as much as possible.

>>148571

If you just want money, start climbing the Cisco ladder…it offers multiple venues…and near the top they can get lucrative.

>>148556

Fuck off nigger fag

>>148580

No…I am fine. I actually don't want money or really care about money at all. Thanks tho.

What I really want is the chance to learn about the world and the physical environment in an artificial proving ground.

>>148591

I have already been around the world.

Wake up tard, I am not a poser.

>>148595

Are you going to get to a point anytime soon? What does your comment have to do with my comment?

>>148600

Thread says learn to code, figure it out on your own.

>>148601

I am figuring it out on my own faggot. What does that have to do with asking others about resources?

>>148591

That reminds me of when Steve Jobs went around promoting and planning NEXT and saying it was going to come with a simulated DNA wet lab in it..

>>May 23, 1988

>>(FORTUNE Magazine) – CAN STEVE JOBS dazzle the world again with a new computer? Come summertime, we may know the answer. Since 1985 the man who started Apple Computer and quit in a huff nine years later has been cloistered in a hilltop office high above Palo Alto, California. With a handful of cronies, $20 million in cash from Texas billionaire Ross Perot, and a new company called Next Inc., Jobs has been working to produce a fourth wave microcomputer that he says will be ten times more powerful than the most popular Apple and IBM personal computers. His ambition, as always, is enormous. He wants to build a machine that will revolutionize higher education by simulating learning experiences difficult or impossible to provide for most students now. What we'd like to do is give every freshman biochemistry student access to a $5 million recombinant DNA wet lab, he said in a speech last October. We cannot do that. But what we can do is simulate that. We can let them build genes, see what kinds of proteins they make, and go back and rebuild the genes.

https://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1988/05/23/70568/

>>148610

Very interesting anon. He discovered that it was not as easy as it sounds. But part of that is seeing the forest for the trees…humanity could never remove themselves from their own simulation to get a better view of what needed to happen. I don't actually have this 'problem'.

Goddamn I wish I wasn't so fucking TIRED today…fuck I haven't been this tired in ages.

Thanks for the link anon. :)

Ross Perot…kek.

>>148613

NEXT was actually pretty brilliant in concept. Our modern desktops are pretty much based on it. Why did it need a CD reader? Why did it need so much RAM? why did it need such a big hard drive and so on.

Most were bought by the NSA and the CIA…

>>148624

>Most were bought by the NSA and the CIA…

Something about the NSA and CIA being Apple fags is pretty funny.

Well that thing was dead sexy for its age, wasn't it? No more hideous beige. I believe I was working for Sun Microsystems, Inc as a teen (intern) when those came out.

>>148639

Those were like $10,000.00 when they came out. I really wanted one but I had a mortage or was struggling to get a down payment to get a mortgage.

>>station, including models 31, 41, 50, and 52, specifically designed to run NeXTSTEP for Intel. Canon also served as NeXT's distributor in Japan. The NeXT Computer was first released on the retail market in 1990, for US$9,999 (equivalent to $19,568 in 2019).

I'm really tempted to get into the same hobby as this kid just because…

>>148655

The whales at 1:30 and the music…the whole first part of this video has me laughing. God, what a blast from the past, right?

I think there used to be a Jurassic Technology museum on Santa Monica Blvd in LA that had all these old machines (still functional) as a sort of record of technology…I think they even had Walkmans and stuff like that as well. I think he doubled his profit by leasing to movie sets.

But the best place of all was this old timers shop in Pasadena CA where he had scrap from everything like nuke subs to all this old tech and most of it worked fine. He was a major codger and all these old ex mil types were always in their buying things from their past and chitchatting with him. What a trip! I used to go there to get scrap parts for my robots. But the POINT of this was that museums and videos like this are just amazing to bring up old memories. It does look like a lot of fun.

The oldest machine I worked on was an Ithaca Intersystems which had those giant floppy disks and 'coding paddles' where you could enter code via 0/1 manual paddles. But my dad used to collect all that old tech as well so we always had weird machines in the garage too (most from AT&T)…when I was a little my dad brought home the first videophone that they ever made which was more like a sort of large bulky laptop. I can remember asking him what the purpose of it was since it was one of the only ones in existence…like what good is a single videophone if no one else has one. He just gave me 'the look'…you know…

:)

>>148655

And if you know where to look you can still find the original Maya/Alias Wavefront, SideFX Houdini or SGI or Lightwave from back in 1990. I've got a lot of that shit stored away with cracks on my hard drive.

>>148677

>Ithaca Intersystems

https://vintagecomputer.ca/ithaca-intersystems-dps-1/

Here you go, first computer I ever used. Floppy was in a totally different housing. My dad made us all learn Hex and would use it routinely around the house etc. lmao. We were required to be fluent in Hexadecimal for some operations…wtf hexadecimal? I never asked but as an adult it seems weird.

>>148677

Oh that is sweet man if it is functional.

>>148696

:) Before my time anon. But it rings a bell.

>>148571

Obviously I meant >>148554

>>148584

Damn redditfaggot, I was asking a simple question about how you manage.

Just go back.

https://www.sendspace.com/file/mpjg6s

https://www.sendspace.com/file/mpjg6s

No auto detect this is not a flood

How am I rich?

>>150428

Idk, but now that lockdown's ended I'm getting interviews for 100k jobs left and right. So I guess those memes about a comsci degree being a magic money tree were right after all.

>>150435

We already know you're going to waste it on drugs and buttplugs for you and your boyfriend.

Fuck this site appears to have been started by the fags that ruined 8chan.

>>148178

This is probably the highest self evaluated to actual intelligence ratio programming comment I've ever read. It's like you haven't realized that different tools are good for different applications.

>>150443

So go buy a dildo and use that one your ass you fucking trash. Go pretend your 1% Indian genetics makes you a fucking Indian.

>>148101

I like Tech With Tim. He's young, but he has strangely good courses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl7kDPYD20A

>>150474

>>150425

Thank you both!

>>148173

> oldfag hacker

By the looks of it, you must've hacked plenty of reddit threads in your young days. Everything you wrote could be as well prefixed with 'I watched my gf code once …'.

>>148448

Actually, this is a solid advice, fren. Also, checked.

>>148101

First of all, create an algorithm for the problem you're solving. You can do it either top-down, or bottom-up. Your first choice should be the former, in a manner that 'oldfag hacker' hinted at. Then, write it down as empty functions, and fill the details as comments. These should describe WHAT should be done, but not HOW. Once you finished with one level, dig deeper - continue by translating your comments to actual code, but keep the comments in - if it would be too complex, create another function or write comments … and repeat until done.

Do not attempt to write optimal code from the start. Write functional code as fast as possible, then profile it etc. and only after that optimize it, if at all necessary. Quite a lot of code that gets written will get thrown out - avoid that.

Look into unit testing, possibly also test driven development (you don't need to buy fully into the hype). Try to make first functional version as soon as possible, try it, possibly change it, repeat until you're happy with the result.

Read some good algorithms book e.g. Jeff Erickson. >>148772 >>148773 >>148775 might be good, haven't checked. Knuth is a must-have if you are going to do anything resource-intensive.

Do not limit yourself on one language or platform - familiarize yourself with Linux and its command line tools (grep, find). Learn regular expressions and use them. Look into Prolog and LISP, just to get an idea of what is possible.

Later, look into design patterns, especially if you like to build anything bigger.

If you want to play with AI/ML, there are lots of open source/free tools precisely for that. Also, there are 3rd party libraries, web services etc.

When I started, my biggest problem was to see even one possibility how to algorithmize something. Then, my biggest problem was to pick the right solution from the multitude I could see, but could not really compare. Prepare for that.

*I hate Python with rage of thousand suns. Perl is better, but it is not for everybody, and I wouldn't recommend it to a beginner, unless you are some sort of child prodigy.*

t. actual programmer with 25+ years of practice with architecture, coding, mentoring and teaching

>>148136

Yes, it is completely disgusting for any larger project. However, for small exploit scripts and shit, it's pretty good.

>>151131

I can think of at least 3 other scripting languages that are better.

>>151110

Anyone who hates Python is from the newest generation of reddit "programmers." But please larp your sepples on a whiteboard so I can hear more hilarious stories of the Dunning Kruger effect from real devs.

Tell me, have you ever heard of Boolean Algebra?

>>151409

>>151409

Python has good libraries which helps productivity. Anyone defending it as a language however, can be dismissed as an idiot who has not studied programming language design. As for reddit, I would assume most of them are quite fond of python and js. Such languages are a quick path for dolts to feel like they've attained technical wizardry. Can they still be useful though? Yes of course. As for "Sepples" that actually worse in many ways though, so Python vs C++ is a false dichotomy. Truly, I'd rank the C++ language design as worse than PHP [Why? it's grown too big as a language, with new features feeling tacked on and unnecessary. Most organizations simply mandate that only a subset of the language be used. Another comparably large language Ada has a much more coherent design philosophy, and isn't tied to the baggage of C.] Also a shit c/c++ programmer can cause your organization a lot more damage than a shit python programmer, which is why in the late '90s many companies ditched c++ for Java, especially if they planned to outsource projects to iq pajeets.

>>151438

A lot of libraries that provide actual functionality require fluency in C and C++.

>>151446

To create them, as in making system calls? Yeah absolutely. Most consumers of such libraries are insulated from any such complexity though. Hell, the scourge of python has convinced even some niggers that they're hardware engineers. There's even tooling out there for using python for FPGA development.

>>151449

Ha! I am glad I started learning hardware descriptive languages, so I can get stomped on by fiverrs and python.

There's literally no.mercy in the tech industry.

>>151451

It's amazing isn't it. You take a difficult field where even intelligent whites make mistakes, and then you open it to niggers and pajeets. What could go wrong?

>>151452

I wouldn't know. I am not in the same field of work as they are. I am in a field that doesn't even really exist yet.

>>151438

Python was universally praised for its design before the new wave of reddit larpers. Python hate literally wasn't a thing until zoomers entered college. People usually shat on C and its spawn like sepples and Java. In fact C was vocally hated by a large percentage of devs since its inception. You at least see the flaws in sepples the community has seen for decades unlike these loony zoomers. And even if you don't like Python's dynamic typing or weird crap like init you have to at least admit its conciseness and expressiveness are wonderful things if your goal is to get a working prototype which is what the language is often used for. It's just comfy and fast to get tangible results in. Hating the language that makes being a dev easier makes no fucking sense if you're a dev which is why Python hate exposes obvious larpers.

>>151459

What universe are you from? Python hate has existed since the days of every update breaking literally every application that relied upon it. You simply couldn't rust it, or you had to be locked into an out of date version with potentionally dangerous security issues.

Python literally was the worst scripting language out of all of them for at least the decade of its existence. It wasn't until BitTorrent started relying heavily upon it before the dev team behind it got their shit together

Shut up and get a real job.

>>151409

>>151438

151110 is me, had to clear cookies etc. to make this shitty hopeypot work

I use Perl regularly, old and new ones. I probably deleted more code in Python that you had ever written in any language, boy. Tell me, what is the principal difference about Perl and Python? You know about TIMTOWTDI, right? Well, did you?

It is actually zoomers who prefer Python before anything else, you idiot. I work in IT company, I fired more devs than you personally know. I've heard everything by now. I know the likes of you - if you'll have to write a factorial alg in any language, but on paper, you'll deflate in seconds. I could tell you horror stories about recruitment, but to make it short, absolute vast majority of candidates are totaly, absolutely unusable in practice and don't get me started on soft skills. This holds for C++, Java and C# I'm asked to interview on everything IT-related, if necessary, in company with 250+ people, why that would be I wonder. And yes, most of them like Python. "X is too complicated baah baah, I don't like it baaah, I like Java but I'll start with Python because it is on Stack Overflow so I can copy and paste yaaay, look ma I code .. oooh shiny .. what? sorry, I forgot what I've been doing". What does it tell you?

I don't need to prove anything to you. If OP or even faggots like you have any real questions, here I am. For pissing contests, go to reddit and get upvoted. We care about facts here, not feelings.

>>151438

This anon knows. I agree, and I consider myself to be primarily C++17+ dev, way better and more experienced than say 99.99% of today's C++ 'programmers' and I still wouldn't advocate for using C++ unless it is actually necessary it rarely is, AND you have people capable to do so newsflash, if you think you can do it, you probably can't. C++ has really nothing to do with C BTW, and you can write C in Perl if you feel like it.

I wouldn't go as far as compare it with PHP that is unfair, PHP is and will always be a piece of shit, I had to use it on high school to buy cigs and I almost stopped smoking because of my general disgust with PHP .. and this can't be fixed when being backwards compatibile, but yes, design by committee doesn't really work. I worked with many brilliant C++ programmers way better than me, even now probably, and even they abused C++ from time to time yes, even 98 can be abused if you try hard enough i.e. CRTPs used for static mixins and composition with 10+ similar base classes - real project used in automotive boards I kid you not, if you're white and have relativelly new car then you probably drive one with my code still around today. It is sad, especially because of limpdicks advocating for Python etc. when there are alternatives like new Perl, Haskell, Rust etc. Even Ada would be more appropriate for certain applications, but I digress. Or plain C.

>>151452

This, so much fucking this. But, it might be a good thing in the long run - IT will collapse under pooshit, we'll purge, reset and then we'll rebuild. As fucking always. Graham Hancock, anyone?

How in the fuck am I a Han?

>>151469

Rust is trash.

Ada is the best language out of those from what I can tell.

Whatever, I stick to hardware, and out of retarded blackwater fuckery that is going on these days. Fucking faggots figure out how to write hypno garbage and ruin life for everyone.

>>151474

> Rust is trash

I actually agree. My point was that it might be better than modern C++ for most projects, unless you actually have a team of C++ programmers. one my colleagues is a Rust fan, and I'm on Perl side of things, that is why I even mentioned it - but yeah, with discipline and proper semantics you can write Rust in C++ and actually not be bogged down by its limitations, but I wouldn't do that probably

Another thing is being close to the metal - yes, there are applications where you need C, VHDL or somesuch, but in general it is advantageous to be able to rapidly prototype your design in higher level lang and only then to convert it to low-level lang. like Matlab and FPGAs

Polite sage for multiple posts

>>151459

Python wasn't initially well received, and it had a really time gaining traction since at the time perl dominated scripting languages and those guys hated on python for sport. Ruby on the other hand while not that popular had small group of devoted followers, but it took Ruby on Rails to really catapult it to the mainstream. Python surged once Perl decided to go on a spiritual journey find itself in India for over 10 years reinventing itself as Perl 6, and as Ruby showed that it wasn't amenable to anything particularly performant. Reddit faggots actually started to love Python once Google admitted they used it for some internal tools, and hired Guido.

>>151476

This is a discussion board. 8chan is gone. The premise that this board should operate the same needs to die.

>>151477

That IT game needs to fucking die. You have ruined enough fucking lives over your faggot bullshit.

You act like faggot dictators.

We should all probably fuck off to >>>/tech/ by the way. The board is looking pretty fucking sad these days and this isn't really /pnd/ related.

>>151479

The faggot bullshit happens there too, and that board is deader than a fucking rock.

Basically, the faggots have ruined the damn internet

>>151480

Yes. Well I want /tech/ to come back, because it was one of the last places you could use that felt like the internet before the iPhone. Mainstream tech news sites are so fucking pozzed I can't bare to look at them.

At least hardware is still somewhat sane though, so enjoy that for now. There's no way a nigger is going to learn to build a switched-mode power supply, so the opportunities there are still good for white men.

*bear

And I'm assuming by "hardware" you did indeed mean electrical engineering as opposed to digital logic. Although, the latter is probably going to be just fine for 5-10 years. The python shit is just for prototyping, and it's not like you'll see those faggots doing any ASIC work.

>>151482

While I am sure you think you're making a friend in this manner, or building a bridge. You aren't.

I simply can't even describe the stuff I am working on. It all takes ti.e and money, but I have no reason to even lift a finger. Too many Infinity retards still playing stupid games. Makes life impossible.

>>151484

I merely want /tech/ to be more populated, even if it means bringing in the schizos such as yourself. You're fun to laugh at if nothing else, and sometimes you even write operating systems.

>>151486

I already slapped you around on tech.

The board is dead for a reason, and that schizo bullshit won't get you anywhere faggot. Everybody knows you've been playing your faggot frog game for years.

So go smoke another cigarette, do another bump and self asphyxiation thinking about my cock in your mouth. Just keeps your gay ass in your faggot Prius.

Terry's mistake was thinking he could buy his freedom from Satanists with labor and efforts. Itold you, you're too stupid to get anything out of me.

>>151489

Anon, when did the jew docs start medicating you? What are they forcing you to take these days, and when do you plan to stop?

You digits indicate that you have cocaine you want to offer me.

Did you once again forget that I drink soda for a reason?

>>148545

>>148541

I don't get people that can't live on 50k a year. Not worth it, sure, but that you can't live on it? ha. People make do with 20k a year a wife and kid.

>>148564

If you live somewhere like that then sure it's nearly impossible to get by.

>>148566

There's more in /SIG/. Me and an anon go figure out the titles.

>>148604

He's a narcissist. In his own world.

>>150442

? this is an anti-degenerate zone gtfo or be physically removed from living

>>150444

Who is this schizo.

>>151451

>>151457

Very interesting and inevitable really. So are they trying to create layers between the kernel and cpu/ hardware instruction sets because that's the only thing that would make sense when you say "hardware descriptive languages". Something I've been thinking about for a while but I'm not even a programmer really. Most high IQ shit is about creating descriptive languages; mathematics is just a descriptive language.

>>151459

>universally praised

lol.

>c hated

devs hate everything.

>>151461

No. Start your own 1 acre farm using modern practices to make 50k a year besides what one eats, build a small castle using a quarry sourced on your land, forge some rifles and ammunition then declare yourself a sovereign nation and begin your reign as lord.

I recommend going from the ground up.

Start by setting up your coding environment and learning how to use the shell and terminal: https://lucasfcosta.com/2019/02/10/terminal-guide-2019.html

Now for the real stuff. You'll want to begin with mathematics. If you can't handle mathematics then you'll forever be a code monkey, but you want to code and so you'll solve common coding problems whilst working through the maths:

https://exercism.io resource for basic problems to solve in various languages. Will get you started coding.

https://leetcode.com similar to above

https://projecteuler.net/ go through what you can, return as you move through the mathematics and search up the rest after you've finished the section on mathematics.

In line with the above, you should tackle puzzles and games with programs you develop to automatically solve them or navigate through them and "play the game". The more challenging it is to model and solve though within your capability, the better.

If you're a retard, first read:

>Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Sussman, Abelson

To solve these problems read:

>How to Solve it by G. Polya

>How to Solve it by Z Michalewicz, D.B. Fogel [inspired by Polya and addresses common coding problems that you'll find above. Basically the cheat sheet for them]

http://us.metamath.org/index.html interesting stuff, felt I should mention it

Maths:

>The Conceptual Roots of Mathematics by J.R. Lucas [Better than Bertrand Russel]

From the first year or so of Verbitsky's Math Recommendations:

>Linear Algebra and Geometry by Kostrikin-Manin

>Pangeometry by Lobachevsky

>Theorems and Problems in Functional Analysis by Kirillov-Gvishiani

More to do with computers:

>Computability Theory by S. Barry Cooper

>Fundamentals of Computer Organization and Design [FCOD] by Dandamudi

While studying Part 1 of FCOD, complete Zachtronics' "TIS-100" then while studying Part 2 and 3 complete "Shenzhen I/O" to gain some familiarity with the tech, solve some problems, have fun, and be better prepared for what's next.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=TxJVH5TZQFY

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=2tlW3S4V29Y

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=UpJU3wIf-v0

You can skip the Zachtronic games I guess.

You can use [ https://www.circuitlab.com ] or [ https://circuitverse.org/ ] to check your answers for the exercises in FCOD and create from an idea you have or borrowed. Before moving onto Part 4, check out [ https://www.electronicsforu.com/category/electronics-projects/hardware-diy ] and troll through invidio.us or wherever for project ideas to challenge yourself.

After you've done this return to FCOD to complete the textbook.

Next read:

>Compilers by Litham, Aho, Lam, Sethi, Ullman

The metal's first abstraction. You should check out various assemblers, learn how they work differently, then move onto higher level shit.

Begin digging into a 6502 (emulated or otherwise) with the following resources. I threw in an interesting 6502 project some people did as well: [ https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=73h4cjTeX44 ] giant physically "decompressed" 6502; [ https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=HDMkw6lnzmI ]; [ http://visual6502.org/images/6502/index.html ]; [ https://www.righto.com/ ] he reverse engineers CPUs; [ http://tubetime.us/ ] here is the blog of one of the engineers behind MOnSter 6502. good stuff; [ https://www.randomterrain.com/atari-2600-memories-tutorial-andrew-davie-01.html ] if you would like to program the atari 2600 it has a 6507 which is similar to the 6502. there are a few game systems that have a 6502 similar chip inside.

>The Grammar of Graphics by Wilkinson, Norton, Rope, Dubbs

Make graphics.

>Operating System Concepts by Silberschatz, Galvin, Gagne

It is time to study the third temple: TempleOS. Also check out seL4 microkernel as it's very secure stuff. Having done this, create your own operating system as practice (I assume you'll want to use seL4 as the kernel). There are a number of OS specific books such as for UNIX, Mac OS, Windows, et cetera. and you can check them out to learn how the tech giants work.

More Verbitsky Rec:

>Topology from the Differentiable Viewpoint by John Willard Milnor

>Differential Topology First Steps by Andrew H. Wallace

>Introduction to Complex Analysis by Shabat

>Categories for the Working Mathematician by Mac Lane

Automata:

>Universal Theory of Automata by Ehrig, Kiermeier, Kreowski, Kuhnel

>Cellular Automata by Ilachinski

More maths:

>[First Chapter] Methods of Homological Algebra by Gelfand-Manin

>[First Half] Lie Algebras and Lie Groups by Jean-Pierre Serre

end of verbitsky's rec

>Logical Semiotics and Mereology by Richard Martin

>Model Theory by David Marker

>Proof Theory by Wainer, Simmons, Aczel

>Algorithmic Randomness and Complexity by Downey, Hirschfeldt

>Constructibility by Keith Devlin

>Algebraic Theory of Automata Networks by Domosi, Nehaniv

end of maths

>>151567

The image is fucked up in the first big paragraph of the second post.

>>151559

I'd add more but the rest is just shit pulled from teachyourselfcs.com and I don't know anything about the topics of Database systems, networking or distributed systems. Studying communication systems would probably be the way to go for networking, databases seems to be more a pragmatic field right now and light on long-term theory with a lot of room to improve, and distributed systems would be a mix of networking and databases so would be slim reading.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bum_19loj9A&list=PLBZBJbE_rGRV8D7XZ08LK6z-4zPoWzu5H

>>152438

I am enjoying this video. The beginning of this video parallels some of the examples in a book I am reading called Conceptual Mathematics.

Would you recommend SICP despite it being jewish?

>>152807

I would, it's a classic. Don't feel any obligation not to take advantage of something helpful just because a jew wrote it, do they apply that logic to that which whites create?

>>152807

I would, it's a classic. Don't feel any obligation not to take advantage of something helpful just because a jew wrote it, do they apply that logic to that which whites create?

>>152823

>do they apply that logic to that which whites create?

Obviously. That's where the word "gentile" comes from.

>>154005

It works until it doesn't work anymore and then comes the dying.