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1. Jew -> oven

2. Wait

That's literally it.

>>127185

You can put jews into ovens without man power. To get manpower you need a method of deprogramming

>>127187

But again to take back the media you need to have manpower and a lot of it. You either need a lot of people to populate existing outlets or make your own. The problem with making your own is that you will have the full force of the kike owned companies coming after you like they did with Alex Jones.

>>127186

And you can't deprogram people while the jews are in control of all avenues of information flow. Guess it's a check mate.

You need to start with the schools. Become a teacher. Take back the minds of the children.

I think this is extremely valuable to think about. I also think that the people in need of deprogramming should be split in two categories, normies and lefties. I think they respond differently to things we are saying. We should also think about which group has priority; normies are more numerable, lefties are more dedicated.

I think the key here could be stories from anons. If anons that used to be normies or lefties could share their stories about how they became redpilled, we could identify patterns to identify which tactics work. I myself discovered /pol/ through edgy internet humour when I was 16 and I incorporated the things I read on /pol/ into my first attempts at formulating political positions. So I don't know what it is like to be an adult who is unaware of the Jewish problem. Maybe the takeaway from my story is that maintaining a presence on meme sites for teenagers is important? I remember that the natsoc community on Ifunny played a role in my early redpilling and my decision to start browsing /pol/.

>>127204

I used to believe in this weird utopic idea that if all countries relinquished their weapons, then the world would become peaceful. I think the reason is that I was never really exposed to the real world, all the savage niggers that attack people for no reason and Africa being an eternal shithole despite all the attempts over decades to help them and religions that want to bomb people for some religious reason and countries that would happily take any opportunity to invade other countries if they could and governments all across the world being full of corruption, hell the US is waging war in other countries right now for some reason, I wasn't aware of how real all of that is and how most of the world is just not peaceful nor good hearted. I wasn't really "brainwashed" in any sense though, I just believed whatever flowery bullshit (mostly "everyone is equal, gays are good" kind of shit) I saw in whatever online communities I went to.

Can't remember what exactly changed me, I think it's just because imageboards were my preferred online platform and you can't stay too long without being desensitized and exposed to a lot of things.

I think there's a middle ground that simply doesn't work. If you try to "redpill" someone normally, it'll fail, they'll just kneejerk reject it, I remember doing that myself whenever I saw Nazi imagery and guns. Instead you should take one of 2 approaches; either have to do it carefully, slowly inject redpills in ways that they can digest. Or then you need something really hardcore that shocks the fuck out of them and creates cracks from which redpills can flow in, like getting mobbed by a pack of niggers, or being told shocking things by someone they really trust. I think the current riots are redpilling a lot of people for instance, with niggers looting and torching places while the leftists kneel to them, it's just completely messed up to anyone except the most brainwashed drones as long as they see the real picture in social media instead of just the CNN-filtered narrative. I suspect even some of the kneelers are going to start feeling like shit's wrong the longer it goes on.

One tactic could be to have nonwhite allies. The more cucked someone is the more likely they are to take nonwhite people's words as gospel, it could be useful to start breaking the conditioning. Nonwhites also seem less likely to be cucked because they haven't spent decades in a society that demoralizes their existence every day.

It's also VERY important for people to feel like they're not alone, that the other side is not just evil gun crazies and supremacists, but rather normal people and peers.

>>127213

I think for most people and especially women the slow and steady approach works best. I think to start the process you have to start with easier and more digestible redpils and not got street to race realism and the JQ. I think you first need to show simple stuff like how the media lies and how corrupt the government is and doesn’t actually care about the people. I also believe that for women it helps to try and frame it within an emotional context because women tend to be more emotional in general. However as a man this can be difficult for me because speaking emotionally like that doesn’t come very naturally. I’m trying to red pill my girlfriend right now and it’s slow going. I’ve tried going just with facts and logic but that doesn’t seem to be the best avenue. I think learning how to tap into emotions can be a very powerful tool.

>>127181

There is plenty of literature on how to deal with cult members, right?

>>127204

Exactly, anons here have the experience, what are the best-working arguments?

>>127187

"It's irreversible, fellow anti-communists! Just give up!"

Bezmenshekelov of the (((CIA))), he might not even have been an actual Russian for all we know.

>>127200

They have literally no idea of what National-Socialism actually is beside their preconceived notions (irony). Use that.

Letting them get punched by niggers is a big redpill. Police going on strike is a big redpill. Let them see what a world without whites look like, and they'll be begging for white supremacy within no time.

>>127253

In order for that to work you need to at least sow the basis for the truth because if they get punched in the face by a nog or their city falls into anarchy because there are no cops they will be confused and paralyzed. They need to have some basic understand of race realism and other red pills even if it is at a superficial level in order those events to click and make sense to them.

>>127258

I think you are on to something with the “deprogram together” idea. Can you please expand on this if possible.

Are there actually concentration camps that are made to Deprogram National Sozialists?

>>127181

>sure fire way

If there was, we would have done it centuries ago and the jews would be a literal footnote in a history book, mentioned as a dangerous–but extinct–subspecies. Everyone is different.

>>127316

Yes, it’s called every school in the Western world.

>>127319

That's not true because they werent as entrenched as they are now. And back in the day most people knew the problems they posed, but mostly lived in rural communities were the affects were not felt as much.

>>127190

welp thats that solved. wel dun pol

>>127276

And remember, you mentioned the jews. You went too hard too fast. Never go too hard too fast.

>>127252

>"It's irreversible, fellow anti-communists! Just give up!"

I never said it was irreversible, I just said that we are trying to piss against the wind.

well what you guys NEED to realize is that your not going to protect the white race by going natsoc.Your not going to have people follow you if you have authoritarian beliefs. that's just retarded.Hitler is just a funny meme. When people praise Hitler i just assume they are joos posting, so that they can act as victims even more.Ditch hitler. its way easier to go moderate nationalist/ economic protectionism.

>>127434

>just become safe, toothless cuckservatives, guys

I want 4chan to leave.

>>127355

>That's not true because they werent as entrenched as they are now.

So if there was a surefire way, it WOULDN'T have happened when it was EASIER to make happen. Do you want to try again?

>And back in the day most people knew the problems they posed, but

Did nothing about it, and now we're paying the price.

>the affects were not felt as much.

They were.

>>127434

>you guys

Congrats; we're not going to listen to you.

>your not going to protect the white race by going natsoc

Prove it, paid shill.

>Your not going to have people follow you if you have authoritarian beliefs.

Prove it, paid shill.

>that's just retarded

Is this your best argument?

>Hitler is just a funny meme.

Is this your best argument?

>joos

Isn't it funny how paid shills are proven to say this, and only paid shills have ever said this? I think that's funny.

>Ditch hitler.

No.

>its way easier to go moderate nationalist

So Hitler, then. Got it.

>economic protectionism.

So Hitler, then. Got it.

>>127181

There is no sure fire way, but for me it started with a tiny doubt. If blacks are the same as anyone else, why is their side of town a run down violent shithole? From there, it escalated to normicon dr3, then I found more plausible answers in places like this where there is no censorship or filtering. Once I figured out my teachers were lying to me for years, it gave me 'moral permission' to throw away their programming, if that makes any sense.

The holocaust was my final redpill, and what changed me was this statement:

"The holocaust is thermodynamically impossible."

>>127532

When I said sure fire where I didn’t literally mean works everytime. I was more thinking of outlining which redpills to start with to slowly get people thinking before hitting them with the big ones like race realism and JQ.

>>127181

I've thought about this a lot, Sure fire way? No, there's not even anything close to that for (de)programming, at least not in the public science.(t. neuroscience grad student) So I'm gonna ignore the point of your question and just write a blog post (enjoy):

In principle the whole thing boils down to challenging your old beliefs and replacing/revising them. Obviously easier said than done because there are infinite defence mechanisms if you try the head on methods like debate and spitting facts. That's why its rare, but still pretty much impossible for women and other neuro-typicals to be converted like this. The other option is to take the backdoor and do it subliminally or nudge them in the right direction and make it so they come to the conclusion you want. That's the one that is most effective for the enemy so I'll focus on this option.

I encourage everyone to read up on predictive processing and REBUS. (http://pharmrev.aspetjournals.org/content/71/3/316.abstract)

The linked paper has to do with the effect of psychedelics but it gives good insight into some leading neurocognitive theory.

QRD of major points:

-There is a continuum between the brain being chaotic (psychosis, schizo) and rigid (extreme OCD). The optimal balance between the two is the critical point. (Entropic Brain Hypothesis)

-Normal waking consciousness (NWC) is tuned to be slightly more ordered than critical (NWC is at a sub critical point)

-Psychedelic drugs act to reduce the functional architecture of the brain so that there is less order. i.e. shifts the system towards criticality

-This reduces the weight we ascribe to our previously held beliefs and allows for new perspective and new insight, i.e. more chaotic/entropic brain => less weight to held beliefs => changed beliefs

This is one of the main theories out right now to explain how people get life changing effects from psychedelic therapy. But the mechanism is general and is even theorized to also explain the benefits of mindfulness and meditation.

So what does this mean for our purposes? The previously held beliefs are the target, that is the agitprop we're fighting. But in normal waking consciousness these beliefs are foundational and to question them is to slide into chaos, something that a normal brain strongly resists. So if we want them to be more receptive to a message you need to increase entropy in the brain to shift it towards criticality. We know that things like meditation, mindfulness, and psychedelic drugs do this and are efficacious in altering deeply held priors. So any plans should include something like these or try to emulate their action.

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>>127760

2/2

The obvious and most potent deprogramming then would be a hero-dose of LSD with a red-pilled trip-sitter as a sort of hippy Virgil. But this isn't really practical since they would have to agree to it. Also, that assumes you have friends, and are cool enough to convince them to do such a thing, which is unlikely. (Note for retards and glowniggers: DO NOT DOSE ANYONE WITHOUT PERMISSION)

In terms of emulating their action, it is tricky since there's not a ton of research on this. Any research there is doesn't really lend itself to operationalization. For example, decreasing activity of the default mode network seems to be important for the psychedelic effect, but how can we come up with strategies that result in lowered DMN activity? Obviously we can't monitor that, so aiming explicitly for that endpoint makes no sense. But the ideal strategy should assume a meditative/psychedelic-type brain state, or act in such a way as to mimic a meditative/psychedelic brain state.

I haven't fleshed this out fully (it probably reads like schizo rambling), but here are some generally ideas of mine that follow from the above:

- Perspective is key. Use analogy, abstraction, metaphors…etc. try to get them to experience the other perspective emotionally, not rationally (this is why real art will be so important).

- The mindset of the target is important if you're going the back-door route. The closer to zen the better. I was thinking maybe get an old paki to larp as a "guru" on social media. Just spout platitudes and basic white girl level spirituality and eventually to run short meditations with some very very subtle redpills (working title: operation snake-charmer). LibFems are vulnerable to the BS myth of the Indian wise man. Any rational person would look at that Bikram dude and see a crazy creep but LibFems see a god, this should be exploited.

- Maybe something to take advantage of the growing psychedelic drug culture? Perhaps a video or playlist to accompany the trip (there is already stuff like this) and it's filled with individualistic messages and the importance of traditional values. Though fucking with people while they're tripping is really dangerous and should not be done!

-Aim for something that doesn't draw a reaction immediately, ideally an idea that gets stuck in their head and they come back to later on their own.

This is all theoretical, I've never tried this on anyone but I was writing a paper on predictive processing/psychedelics and I think it is huge in how the Cathedral controls the culture. It will also be key in freeing ourselves from that control. Let me know what you faggots think or if you have ideas on concrete ways to apply this.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

>>127266

You want to guide people to conclusions in a way that makes them feel like they arrived there by themselves. The vast majority of people don't like to admit that they're ignorant/misinformed, especially when it involves lifelong-held beliefs. Basically, use the socratic method.

It take about three generation to change a society, so its got to start now with government directives to school teachers or withhold gov. funds to make real history taught in the class rooms at

schools and university's

It's difficult not to ram the red pill down their stupid fuckin gullets when it all seems so obvious. It's frustrating when the majority of people are dumber than dog shit.

I think another good weapon in the arsenal is to point out the contradictions in things to fuck with their cognitive dissonance.

"It's weird how all those people protested over that black dude being killed by police, but no one got upset over that white lady who was also shot by the police, and she was actually reporting a crime not committing one"

"What I don't get is why they make such a big deal about the holocaust, didn't communism kill like a hundred million people? Yet they don't teach you much about that in school"

"What confuses me about vaccines is why people who have their kids vaccinated care whether other people have their kids vaccinated. If the vaccines work, why would it matter?"

"Why is that Africa is for black people, Asia is for Asian people, the Middle East is for Middle Eastern people but white countries are for everyone? No one ever criticises the Japanese for not letting foreigners in, yet they seem to have very little crime and no terrorist attacks so maybe they're onto something?"

Watch them struggle to defend the lies they believe in. We need to get better at this because the war we are fighting is one fought with information and the kikes are pretty good at twisting the truth.

>>127501

>>127478

>>127777

What you neegars NEEED to realize is that No one will follow authoritarians. YOu fucking zog shills.even the kkk is evolving. you need to evolve as well. natsoc belongs in the past. zog won. get over it. what we need is a small and efficient government. and that's it. Uncle adi was not a moderate. lol he preached WAR when he was in ww1. in the trenches.

>>128050

>ol Hasbara can't even find

anon i dont do drugs.

>>>/pnd/128052

Well perhaps you should try. I recommend a gram of fentaynl.

>>127181

In my case, deprogramming did not enter my mind until I literally thought my lifestyle was killing me. That would be general enough for a transfer of some wisdom, which for me is to ignore other degenerates. We're all hardwired to seek dopamine hits, and exercise appears to be the sustainable way.

>>127213

Weakness is not meekness.

>>128050

>>128053

Fuck off kike

>>128045

>DURR U SPAM CUZ NO ONE DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT JEW WANT

You're literally brain damaged. Nothing you've said is legitimate, shill.

>>127181

People are willing sheep. How can they be deprogrammed from their own nature? They cannot be deprogrammed. The only thing to do is to replace the voice of authority with one that isn't so self destructive and contrary to truth.

>>127405

No but "Yuri" did. Because he was a (((CIA))) mouthpiece.

Also an oil driller that obviously didn't point to the JQ.

Terry would have run him over with his car.

>>127213

Untermensch fag detected

>>128492

No one OF VALUE will follow autoritarians.good people only want freedom and democracy. You are the shill here.

>>129164

>oy vey goyim whites bad natsoc bad

>i use buzzwords to make you worship jewish ideologies

>oy vey be libertarian because jews love it and jews are good

>OY FUCKING VEY SUPPORT DEMOCRACY

>IGNORE THAT LITERALLY EVERYONE, JUST 100 YEARS AGO, KNEW THAT IT WAS COMMUNISM

>SUPPORT THINGS JEWS WANT ALREADY, YOU FILTHY FUCKING CATTLE

You're literally brain damaged. Nothing you've said is legitimate, shill. We will never do what you want. You have failed.

>>129173

hey retard, since when is libertarian-ism is the only non-authoritarian ideology? are you that dense?

I believe capacity building is the key.

Doing things for yourself is rewarding, and goyim will quickly discover to their annoyance how many things they are in fact prohibited from doing independently.

Simple challenges that are non-political in nature and suitable for both men and women, Ideally social in nature and help revive the Volk.

>make your own bread and give it to someone

>Don't buy any store-bought sauces

>Don't use your phone for the week

>Grow a vegetable/herbs and give them to a neibour

>Go clean up a bag of rubbish from somewhere

>repair something in your house

>do ten pushups every day for a week

We can all benefit from such activities by gaining skills, self esteem and independence- and such efforts are likely to go viral and hard to hijack to any ends.

If Communists or Jews wish to pervert such efforts we still make a marginal gain.

>>129483

Continued…

Emotions control thought.

This is especially true for women. Also keep in mind, because of evolution, Women and Man respond to different emotion-triggers. Women for example are more prone to triggering via "care taking reflex" (starving/poor/ill children…) or "sexual market value" (their beauty, their ability to get a Man…). While Man are more prone to triggering via "Protector reflex" (Woman gets raped, or a animal or child gets tortured…) or "economics/wealth" (their ability to get money). Try to use these triggers to your advantage…

Fear is a good trigger in general. Fear of loosing your job, your wealth, your health. Fear of raising crime rates, of rape, of abusive husbands…

>>129483

This first image is very true. The Frankfurt School was able to get into our elite colleges through the humanities. Once they got into the admin side, they used that leverage to ruthlessly and relentlessly install their own co-ethnics and fellow travellers into positions of power. Now they totally own the institution that trains (brainwashes) all whites either wealthy, talented, or connected enough to get in. And no matter what kind of racial or gender quackery they come up with, the institutional prestige seems to protect them completely.

They've pretty much turned our own elites against us.

What we need to do is either the same type of infiltration to take our own institutions back, AND/OR set up alternatives like online colleges to undermine them.

Unfortunately, we dont have a nation state like the Soviet Union to back us. We dont have any billionaires on our side either, they've been brainwashed the same as our other elites.

What we could do us set up collective organizations…

Beginning at the level of recovery from physical torture, the indoctrination regime of Orientalist and Kike Zionism in Western Culture could, in a white ordered white run institution, be contained and reframed. This would involve flushing and prohibiting all kikes from staff and client participation. These kikes are figuratively torturing our genitals on a routine basis in our own nations. This and the life long syndromic effects are not even remotely tolerable. http://circwatch.org/

Lenk below is a poor example since it is grotesquely pozzed; but the basic clinical structure does have a real world foundation that could be repurposed and refined to serve Europid suffering. See: https://www.cvt.org/

>>129673

This one might actually work.

The fact of the matter is that the commonly portrayed model of "programming" as means to cause cognitive dissonance isn't entirely correct. It's true that it happens when you try to convince them they've been lied to, but the point is that it never gets to that point.

The true programming isn't meant to make normies believe 100% of what they've been fed rather it's to cause a complete cognitive shut down when confronted with anything that tries to undermine the social engineering. It doesn't matter what follows, be it a completely valid argument and appeal to reason or nigger speak devoid of value. It won't be processed and comprehended anyways.

So the only way to get to them is when they have their guard down. What's needed is a subtle mix of truth and lighthearted media but usually there needs to be much more of the latter so the killswitch doesn't trip.

Things to note, for anyone thinking of applying these ideas.

A good amount of social intelligence will help vastly.

Do not try to make everyone fall into a rhythm of reflection by default. It seems like a logical opening strategy, but it is better saved for mid/late game.

Choose wisely. You're not here to save the planet.

Don't play armchair general.

This is all fine but then maybe, just maybe we should really develop a clear methodology.

Like; The Progressive Steps to Redpilling

with possibly two parallel paths, one for leftists, one for normies, or even a path for each type of worker in the society, or one for young and old people, one for man and the other for women, etc.

There was an Odinist book from the beginning of the former century that was very political, in which his author had synthesized short and concise arguments for each type of man of society, to drive the point through.

It's about time we provide these useful tools, guidelines which our proselytes can easily use in society for maximum efficiency.

We have the experience now, we can make them.

>>137797

Let's have some bullet lists for commies for example. Truth about communism/marxism, about Marx (Mordecai) himself too, etc.

Facts about homos and pedos.

Gore posting esp featuring niggers casually butchering eachother is closest thing. Overrides all the emotional associations with stronger signal. Disgust instinct activation is the key. The second best way is gradual disgust instinct activation through exposure to un whitewashed degeneracy (ie drag queen library hours). Third is mirror neuron disgust activation by responding naturally to ordinary things with exagerrated disgust response (example pewdiepie calling things disgusting and making face every other sentence.)

>>127181

>Is there a sure fire way to deprogram people?

No. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

>>127181

There is no "surefire" solution, but I think I have the ultimate answer, and his name was Bob Whitaker. Don't take my word for it. Give his material a chance, and try it on some people. Have realistic expectations, but for me personally, I've had very tangible success in changing how people talk and think. Whitaker has given us the language to fully sidestep the "racist" problem white people have.

My primary technique in getting someone to absorb this is to have it briefly repeated from various sources. Be creative as much as possible, but I usually do this by casually mentioning a certain meme to a targeted person spread over a weeks or months. Multiple people doing this to a single person slowly over time is the gold standard. E.g." "Racist" is an anti-white slur." and "Diversity means chasing down the last white person." are some dead simple ones. Also see The Mantra.

There's a lot more to this, but to boil it down: the ultimate aim is to pin a specific crime - White Genocide - to a specific offender - the anti-white puppets and their jewish masters. It exploits the white psychology of a sense of fairness, the same way the anti-white meme of "racism" does. Don't discount the White Genocide meme like I originally did, it truly is the real deal we've been looking for.

whitakeronline.org/blog/

whiterabbitradio.net/

fightwhitegenocide.com/beefcakes-bootcamp/

Lets take a moment to consider the principles of agency.

Most Jews due to Hebrew rhetoric and Hebrew grammar (including for example numerological associations), lose subconscious agency to the spirit of the Jewish nation and lose some conscious agency to the Jewish god. All other religions experience that to a lesser extent, lesser only due to language.

Lets remember most of them are as much slaves as we are.

Goa'uld inhabit their brains. They suffer more than victims.

They have more to gain by escaping slavery than we do.

You do not need to convince everyone, technically you just need 51% of the population if you want to change things democratically, much less otherwise.

Spending all your time trying to persuade every person you meet is a waste of time. Unless you are very talented and convincing you will have a low rate of success. You will not achieve anything by splurging out alt-right memes on normies. The only thing you will do is set off a red flag in their mind and they will brand you as a fascist and once you get there, it's game over. It won't matter if you point out facts, if you use logic or even if you are right. Normies will simply discard anything you say at this point. You can't force someone to accept the truth if he does not want to. Especially in this day and age where accepting and openly telling the truth has such a familial, societal and even professional cost. Why do you think more and more people are starting to wake up and reject the multicultural/globalist/degeneracy agenda ? Because the propaganda has become more and more intense in terms of quantity and violence. The human mind works in a way similar to Newton's law : the harder you push against it, the harder it will resist and work in the opposite direction. This is why (((they))) have been successful during decades : they work via suggestion and emotion rather than brute force : "make black babies" instead of "destroy your race", "be free to abort and sleep with whoever you like" instead of "kill your white babies and don't have children". They work with the mind, not against it.

You need to do the same. You can't force the truth into people's minds but you can make them doubt, you can make them want to know more. Personally I like to use subject that are not directly connected to "hot" topics like the monetary system, the history of debt-slavery, the warmongers, the pedophile rings : things you can't say are morally justifiable and defend. The rest is up to the person. If they want it they will do their own research and eventually reach the same conclusions as us. Because our conclusions are based on the truth and logic instead of emotion and fear of being ostracized. This is the reason so many leftists join or ranks in comparison to right-wingers changing their minds : you can open your eyes to the truth, you can stray away from the lies, but you can't choose to ignore the truth and believe in a lie. Once they stop believing in the narrative that's made for them, once they get a taste of the truth, normies can't go back and it's only a matter of time until they completely dismantle the propaganda and indoctrination by themselves.

It is a slow process, it is not 100% effective, but it is the most effective one. Think about your own case : how much time did you need to finally reach the truth ? It's been 10 years and I still don't know everything. You can't put years of research, debate and thought in a 10-minute conversation, but you can start the process.

>>127316

There were actual real camps with a whole denazification of germany by the allies, total mind control, so much that you can see what is being to europe now without even a decent peep.

>>127434

This. If Gandalf controlled the ring he would just end up making good look evil by enforcing it.

>>127181

Just prove to them the kikes genocided Christians in Russia. That's what redpilled me. You can't win by trying to make victim narratives "uncool." They're embedded into human instincts which is why religions have them. The only way to win is to make a better victim narrative. If you don't you're just cucking yourself by not really playing the game in any capacity that matters whatsoever.

>>143044

That doesn't make alphabetical sense.

>>127181

random comment : i believe mental & physical flexibility are similar (if not associated) and that it depends on genes and lifestyle. i think it's an incredibly hard problem to tackle and that it's the youth that's most vulnerable and adults these days are not doing their job

>>127253

This, nature will redpill itself. As in history repeats.

>>143601

The issue is not redpilling nature, the issue is redpilling our subspecies before we go the way of the dodo.

>>143775

It's not just about redpilling white people, everyone needs to be redpilled. We have all be lied to in one way or another. We have to realize that some people and cultures are just not compatible and should simply peacefully separate. There is nothing wrong with this idea in any moral sense and I believe that it will make everyone happier in the long run. In addition, it will allow everyone to focus on actually important issues instead of just fighting of none sense.

>>127181

EPIGENETIC DISGUST RESPONSE ACTIVATION

They rape kids to disable this epigentic switch. Intensity of disgust response predicts left-right axis 90%. That fucking simple. Chans churn out right wingers due simply to disgusting filth turning this switch on. Same thing with Weimar Republic. Very simple really.

Understand propositional logic and worldviews. L2 transcendental arguments. If you're gonna try to memorize a bunch of different methods for different groups that's pretty dumb. You don't have to do that. Most of the crap people have been fed is in fact crap. if them simply being around you makes them start understand p's and q's better chances are they're gonna start questioning stuff.

Meaning you're gonna have to understand enough about what you intend for them to question. When you understand the Socratic method, the relevant approach writes itself, you just keep direction. There's who, what, where, when, why and how, but those can't cover all the branches of philosophy, that's just how it's dumbed down for a 6th grade reading level.

>>127181

"the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible"

>>127181

I suggest soporific drugs and allegorical puppet shows

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q3NVe8m_kB8

>>12718

The way Asha Logos puts it feels best to me. When you want to help somebody reach the truth then you need to meet them halfway between the truth and where they are now. Instead of shouting at them with words they could never understand.

Basically look for people who have somewhat stubborn natures when it comes to the modern "society" and give them breadcrumbs to help. Ask a leading question or get them to think about some line of logic. Let them figure it out themselves.

It's easy, just look at my edits. Just take whatever comes out of your mouth and return it to you.

https://open.lbry.com/@Projectionism:6/Projectionism-6:8

use sexual propaganda

present whites as strong and masculine

Boomers can be redpilled and be very useful with the wealth they’ve accumulated over time. Use your redpills from a anti-commie and pro-Christian perspective. The Cold War

Propaganda still exists in their minds so use it. Also I personally believe we should call ourselves National Populists instead of socialists simply because too many boomers and normies see the word socialism and think commie shit at least from xp in the US when we despise Marxism. That’s just some of my thoughts. I’ve even converted a couple of Qboomers believe it or not with this tactic.

Throw lots of truth at them even if they dismiss and deny it. Eventually they'll be hit with something that breaks the barrier for them.

To the sleepers… No one can save you. No one can and no one may. YOU. MUST. WALK. THE. ROAD. YOURSELF. Sorry OP you can't do it for them. They have to do it. Themselves when they are ready.

>>148770

Truth bombardment can be effective, but the only thing that will change their mind is themselves.

This is why I like Asha Logos Subverted History series so much. The first episode is a concentrated amount of truth, and if somebody is receptive to it then it can help redirect them entirely.

>>127181

Even if you can deprogram people what do you hope to achieve?

>>153388

The total destruction of your jewish tyranny.

>>127186

>That Freudian slip

It's true. Jews have been putting themselves in ovens recently.

>>127181

I do not have a quick and easy solution but I do know how people can improve themselves to be able to recognize truth.

So yes, there is a sure-fire way but it requires a certain level of commitment. Yoga practices and sadhana, along with a healthy diet and conscious action throughout the day will stabilize the system and bring about clarity. Or in other words, when the body works at its best and the mind perceives things just as they are, there will be nothing to see but truth. You can never hope to know truth when you yourself are a mess. Your body isn't working at its best, your mind is cluttered with nonsense, your emotions are all over the place and your energies are low. Bringing forth balance is the first thing that should be done because if there is balance, information like the truth about Hitler's Germany and the current state of the world will not freak people out and send them into a state of frantic denial. As much as I myself recognize the seriousness of what is going on and want to show the truth to people, it would be foolish to do so and yield no results because something more fundamental is wrong.

People need to be healthy and it starts with their bodies. Our reckless desires and complacency have ensured that we do not know where our food or water comes from. We have handed that responsibility to the state. And the state is putting mind numbing chemicals in them. And possibly much much more. The problem is a lack of self responsibility. People are leaving nothing for their children and give nothing to their parents, who in old age are vulnerable. We have all sold out for material gain. We were all fooled that everyone needs one of everything, that we could all get to the “top” in this ratrace. When in fact we hold up the top. America and her citizens have run a fucking mok on the world through their inability to rise against the tyranny of the worlds superpower and the world and her people suffer greatly from it. We are responsible. If you want this revolution to go peacefully then get some land with as much family/friends as you can and start planting and digging wells. Refuse to spend or make money and starve out the system. Any “but” or “what if” you can come up with against this plan is rooted deeply in desire/ego/fear and doesn’t serve you, as you can see from the current state of the world. If it’s going to be violent then you will still gather your friends and family and still have to secure land and food and water, that which isn’t poisoned. The fog in your head is from toxins. The lethargy. The depression. The anger. ALL built up by toxins and stored emotion (literal chemicals you store when in extreme moments of emotion that can’t be released, that’s why eventually the smallest of things will make you snap). You are SICK and they want it that way. Begin fasting/researching/planting/supplementing your way out of this state of health so your mind can be clear and you spirit fully engaged in everything you do. your body is a key to your enlightenment/fulfillment that activates a healthy mind and spirit. You can’t have those without a clean, balanced body. Or sit there and lose everything anyway. They will/are taking you by force and subterfuge. You don’t have a choice in this. Already chem trails and cellphones have FAR more of an impact and tell them about us WAY more than most of us care to realize. Put this shit down. Quit paying for your enslavement. You are sick because they want you to be. Get healthy.

>>127187

The problem is the demoralisation part. Most people are hooked on booze, drugs, fast food and pornography. They haven't been raised in a society prepared to protect them from that.

It is immensely difficult to escape these jewish devices. I only escaped because I lived on my own in Asia and spent a lot of time online, if you have a family and a hectic job you will simply never give yourself the time to get red pilled. It took years to fully deprogram myself, I had so many internal arguments about stuff, it is such a painstaking process, I don't see millions of normies being prepared to do that.

If we controlled the media it would be easy.

There's no surefire way to persuade anybody. General persuasion literature is probably as good as anywhere else to start. The ability to listen to another and get a true sense of their personality is helpful in all circumstances in which persuasion is a goal.

My best advice is this:

First: Be/become somebody who is worth listening to and worth trusting. If you're a shambling weirdo known for ranting about the flat earth and the nonexistence of space (despite your professed belief in aliens from outer space), then you're just a clown. If you're a hard working and/or otherwise accomplished person who gives people the benefit of the doubt and makes their lives better with your presence then you're going to have an ear for anything.

Second: If you are a person worth listening to, work on opening yourself up to new acquaintances just enough that they are able to see it immediately. Build up an aura worthy of a genuine/trustworthy/intelligent/studied fellow. Normies/lefties/whoever can often tell when somebody is the real deal, even if they're not sure why. The messenger is important. He is critically important. Committed lefties will still probably react to you as vampires to Holy Water, but oh well. Catch one in the right mood and you might win.

An example: I've met gay fellers and less-beehyuns (read in JLP's voice) and, within a single conversation, asked them about any prior abuse that may have led to their current state and voiced that I think they're on the wrong path. Without exception, they're neither hostile nor offended–often they're glad to open up to a kind stranger. The key is that I don't have any animosity towards them (hate the sin, not the sinner, right?) and they can sense it. Even normies have elaborate circuitry for sensing the overall disposition of an interlocutor, so if you're legit they'll feel it.

Active listening and coming across as well-read (don't try to fake it, too easy to spot a fraudulent "scholar") are enough to get people to listen to your case.

Bonus points for having a level of expertise in an unrelated (or seemingly unrelated) discipline. If you're able to banter about something interesting yet accessible you can show a potential convert your chops before you even begin to discuss anything verboten.

tl;dr: if you're intelligent, kind, and know what you're talking about, you can win.

>>144948

Excellent answer. But they all want gibs.

deltas are the missing link in the chart and it's somewhat political that they didn't rename the other cases, too much baggage around beta and gamma.

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>>147108

I'm not sure the outcome is favorable and probably would be too overt to get through their cognitive dissonance.

>>143044

Solid post, this also illuminates the challenges we face because of poor leadership and persecution of good leadership, we are up to our noses in deltas, some of histories greatest figures were deltas like Cicero or Goebbels but these men are slow to act if not led well, we lack sincere leadership, because our delta hordes are waiting for Hitler 2.0 and hitler may well have been a delta himself who was forced into actualization by circumstance.

I think we may not get the leadership until the collapse begins so we need to pursue ideological unification now so that after the lights come back on we aren't fighting each other over minutiae.

>>127181

This is what I use -

Do banks control the world? Yes

Now realize that unearned interest is what keeps the wealthy so rich and money is power right?

Now imagine that your private gang have been stacking interest for you and all the Christians and Muslims for almost 2,000 because of Usury laws!

Now who runs the banks?

Compound Interest is the Nuclear Bomb of the financial world!

Why deprogram when you can create culture? Make music, video, books, images and release them into the wild rather than trying in vain to weaponize your ossified memetic committments? This is far too totalitarian a mindset to succeed, and especially since we're living in postmodern, posthuman hyperreality. The goal is not truth or falsity, only the hegemonic arresting of peoples' attention in the present technocratic/virtualized social arrangement. Ellul drew a distinction between dialectical and logical evolution in The Technological Society. In a sense it could be argued that the scientistic edifice of technocracy is the dimension inside which is fitted an artificial ideological dialectical hyperreality, arresting as it does the mass public attention and misdirecting, thus neutralizing, more or less everyone just shy of the mountain top thereby.

>>154360

What do you mean by dialectic?

>>127204

Ok here's my story of going from normie to /pol/ to a lefty to whatever the fuck I am now.

>start out as a normie kid who's only conception of politics is a vague sense of 'republicans bad'

>I was socially awkward and spent a long time online. Specifically on 4chan.

>When /pol/ was created I spent a lot of time there.

>I got fairly redpilled in the sense that I wanted a 4th Reich and whatnot.

>Trump won and the alt-right turned into an utter cringefest. It became very clear that this movement was cucked nonsense.

>I also realized that a lot of the people in the movement (even the more serious neo-nazi types) were just dumbfuck degenerates who were either pedophiles or conspiracy theorists who were genuinely fucking garbage at researching things.

>This led me to the belief that most of the far right is just glowie misinformation.

>I was led away from racism because the vast majority of pro-white propaganda I had sense was nonsense.

>I then gained an understanding of marxist class analysis. This led me to the belief that a lot of the issues people have with minority communities are infrastructure based and the only reason racism is perpetuated in society is that it divides the lower classes.

>I believed (and sort of still believe) that capitalism will possibly collapse in my lifetime (or at least in this century) leading to the destruction of societal infrastructure and either fascism or socialism rising.

>Now I'm realizing that the far right wasn't entirely stupid, there are probably some pretty genuine white nationalists in powerful positions who are plotting shit within the government, and I may live to see some real 'night of the long knives' tier shit.

>At this point I don't know what to believe. Only that when shit falls apart I want to survive and ensure that humanity/society survives.

>>127181

You have to change their genetics unfortunately. That's in the hands of people foaming at the mouth with marxism.

They want you fat, stupid, and useless.

>>127181

If you want people to be redpilled these days you'll have to create the right kind of virus. People are absolutely shut off to anything thats not on the TV or mainstream media including 'muh red pill' nonsense.

>>147108

I'm gonna go ahead and tell you shit like this doesn't work. Not only are you posting this on a massively popular imageboard where everyone would just see your post shared all over twitter, but leftists don't support Israel. And the idea that you would call them 'Nazis' and try to conflate 'the group that hated the Jews the most in recent history' with 'the people who regularly call others nazis and also Jews themselves' is just a mess of logic that nobody will ever believe.

Stop thinking of this shit as what you think would be funny, or what would convince someone with your own worldviews. You are going at this from the perspective of someone who is already redpilled, not a normie. And that is why you will fail.

honestly i just spam redpills to any form of social media i have available to me. autistic screeching works for the left and i think it was goebbels that said 'make it simple and repeat it enough times until everyone believes it too'

but of course im paraphrasing

I really can't understand, why people are shocked and angry, when they hear about a female who got raped, but don't respond the same when they hear about the coercion of masks for example.

What's the difference ?

Rape is a coercion of sex, while the coercion of masks is the same rape, because you do something against your free will, so it harms your dignity and your soul.

If one type of coercion is illegitimate, why are others legitimate ?

Coercion must be strictly forbidden.

Be it a coercion of sex, wearing masks, paying taxes, TSA security checks…

>>127181

You mean reprogram.

>>127592

Unfortunately the starting point is going to be different for each person as well. I have a midget friend who was a professional wrestler until the kung flu dried up his audience's money to see sporting shows. His starting point was crime stats; him asking my opinion on why "Democrat" I.e. nigger run cities were Whittier than white run cities or even rural areas that were poorer.

My former employer at a computer shop complained about predatory bank loan practices my 3rd day in training. He was a small business owner so it was easier than I had expected to get him to the point of casually saying like in conversations about things we both hated about society.

That could be another valid avenue. Try to be funny when you complain about clown world. Humor has been a tool of subversion for millennia.

>>160214

Kike*

Damn phone posting.

Another bump because this topic is important.

>>161306

any more info on this or better photographs? searching doesn't bring up anything

>>127181

Psychedelics will deprogram anyone, the problem is that if you don't have something worthwhile to reprogram them with, the old programming will simply re-assert itself.

Really you need to combine psychedelics with a complete physical separation from the mass media world, such as a mountain retreat or similar.

>>127181

>Is there a sure fire way to deprogram people?

Yes, but you would need to control schools and media, so it's pretty hard after we gave those to jews

>>153584

>The issue is that his name has forever been coded within most people's minds as something completely irredeemable, so any mention of it, or any ideas connected to him, will be immediately and irrevocably rejected.

True for boomers, not for people born 2000 or later… universally, at least.

>>129398

underrated, this is what redpilled me, realizing that we are prevented from true autarky. It especially works on west coast style eco-liberals, because they already view "local production" as a positive buzzword and are programmed to respond positively to it

>>127181

I've never understood why this concept is constantly presented

You can't possibly accomplish this because their is no sure-fire method or formula to red pill people. Every individual is going to have something that potentially gets them questioning things, some people have no solution, no matter what evidence you present them with, its not going to matter.

Breaking them down into various demographics is just as useless.

If you want a "method" talk to people as individuals, don't make assumptions, see what they believe, what they value and push back.

The big red-pill for me was "the media lies to you" but that doesn't lend itself to conversation because it requires presenting loads of information and isn't reliant on rhetoric.

>>165142

Not exactly, since we can account shock.

What causes shock varies, but

we can account for the affects of shock.

Nonetheless,

we have to make sure we program

a model for self-shaping + genuine choice

not simply the choices we want other to take.

effects*

Only cure is a bullet in the head.

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>>153764

Why are you posting kindergarten tier shitposting on twatter with someone getting one like with 10 followers you fucking retard? I can only imagine this is you, if not it would be even more sad. You aren't "red pilling" anyone posting shit on twatter for your 10 followers to read you fucking donkey

>>143369

Beta'es Alpha'es, Gamma'es

When did we start playing sburb and end the world?

Those memes suck, that cognitive framework sucks.

Play homestuck, make friends.

Roleplay if you feel lonely.

Orgasms will make you feel numb.

Don't orgasm if you aim to feel less alone.

We don't need that incel grammar anymore.

Asexuality ftw.

>>184913

>refusing to compromise on things that you know work is equivalent to refusing to compromise on things that you know don’t work

You don’t have an argument.

>yet another strawman out of thin fucking air that absolutely no one was arguing or supporting

Yep, you’re done.

>your strategy

That’s funny; I haven’t posted a strategy. What’s my strategy, dipshit? Go on. Tell everyone what it is. I’m extremely curious, since I haven’t posted it and clearly you know, so do tell.

>>127181

We need to push our propagandas on tiktok,

LOTS OF KIDS GET RADICALISED TO BECOME LIBERALS FROM TIKTOK

WE NEED TO DO TIKTOK RAIDS TYPE OF THING

I am currently doing stuff like this:

1. Post random memes and stuff till you get like 1k followers or something

2. then start posting right wing memes/ hitler edits/ REDPILLS

>>184919

This is how liberals are radicalising kids on tiktok to become gay:

1,They steal some dancing videos from like beautiful girls accounts

2. They reupload their tiktok videos and in description they wirte: "Do you support lesbians/gays" cause I am lesbian, and then kids in comments write: Yeah I support you,

Thinking that its a beautiful girl who supports gay rights and shit uploaded that video,

this is how liberals in my country are spreading their propaganda to kids on tiktok

>>184917

>That’s funny; I haven’t posted a strategy. What’s my strategy, dipshit?

You don't have one. You're just a LARPing faggot. That much is clear. You have theories about what works based on the filtered ideas of other people. At the end of the day, it's just intellectual masturbation that you use to rationalize sitting with your thumb up your ass. You call people kikes on the internet and you feel accomplished and complacent. That is your truth. Congratulations. You are totally impotent.

>>184920

discord trannies do that.

>>184919

I do this in a gaming clan. Gaming is the best way now because there is less moderation. Make fortnite, minecraft tiktok/youtube videos and do the same exact thing.

>>127181

>methods for the various minority groups

we need baste minorities in our ranks, so basteeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We nazis need totally more diversity, otherwise it's all so white and boring. We need 50 shades of brown

>>185096

>you don’t have one

Oh gee! So you admit you lied. You’re a liar. You just make up whatever you like whenever you’re cornered and then claim victory. Spectacular job.

>blah blah blah more autism

>blah blah blah can’t explain why he’s telling whites to compromise on truth and our beliefs

>blah blah blah can’t hold a discussion without a strawman

Thanks! You’re done. Feel free to leave now.

>>155136

Can confirm. Evergreen survivor.

You guys go to hard on Blacks. They would be the easiest to wake up from indulging in Jewry. Im Black & id love nothing more then a 1940s 88 revival. I would turn George SoreOs into soap my self. With all the info out there about Deep State & the Seeds they plant why hasnt it been done. I cried watching the Greatest Story Never Told finding out 40 Million Germans including women & children died brought me back to what the jews did with slavery. Plus finding out Jesse Owens was offered Dinner by Uncle A & FDR pretty much told him to fck himself. Blacks hate the 1% they dont think they are Jews though they think there Joe & Jenny in the suburbs not the Bergs & Noses at the Banks & Politics. Hope this gets seen i think its important. Call me a Nigger if you want I dont care. The Jew are a bigger problem it effects us both more the the problems we cause each other right now. Sincerely Nark Dazi

>>127266

Not the same guy, but I think it has to do with not feeling attacked. People wanna be treated in a friendly way. Because the programming tells them not to accept being deprogrammed, you have to do it in a very passive way for it to get past the security filters. If you kind of guide them without forcing them, nothing violates the program, and then once they're out of the radius of influence, they're free to think for themselves.

>>154104

hardcore commies are already redpillled on the (((wall street)))) (((banks))) and (((real estate))), the problem is they believe their own ideology will fix all of that.

>>127181

2 ways. Meet them where they're at, as Mark Collett would recommend. Its how I went down the YT rabbit hole from Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, Sargon and Stefan all the way to Jared Taylor, TRS and /pol/.

The other way its to say absolutely bat shit insane stuff to someone close enough to you who believes most stuff you say. This also happened to me. A friend of 4 years went HAM and said "ITS THE JEWS! THEY'RE GENOCIDING THE WHITE RACE AND WHEN THEY'RE DONE WITH YOU THEY'LL COME FOR MY PEOPLE!" He blew up like that 2 or 3 times. I almost stopped talking to him and I thought he was batshit insane but I knew there was something to "WG".

Watching the interview with David Duke and Tommy Sotomayor blew my lid because I thought "surely he is the only white supremacist out there" but there he was talking to a black man as a friend railing on about that Spike Lee movie about him mentioning how jewish character was written in. Then there was Devon Stack's "How Boomers were taught ot hate themselves" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwFshwxECq0 and it named the jew and suddenly everything flipped. Everything I hated was because of the jews. I fucking sperged out and spent the next 3 days on my laptop seeing the coincidences and my memories throwing things at me and I realized I already had a J-dar, a very sharp one but I didnt know it was a J-dar. I can name these kikes a good as anyone.

>>185269

I doubt that Uncle A invited J.O. to dinner. He was probably miffed a black guy got the gold, but I think sports can be a healthy outlet for racial animus.

We go hard on blacks because most are nigs. I can respect a good black men like David Clark, Jesse Lee Peterson, Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Tommy Sotomayor, Malcolm X, and to a lesser extent Larry Elder. Pretty much anyone below that is trash including Doc Rivers who cried like a faggot and lied "Its so hard when this country doesnt love you back." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eb_vutMZeA

Like seriously? Gave you niggers freedom, highest standard of living of all the blacks in the world, voting rights, welfare, affirmative action, a platinum plan, this word "racist" to shut down anyone criticizing you and worst of all sportsball, rap, the millions of dollars that come with that and the white women you're "allowed" to fuck when you have that status. Fucking seriously. I saw more white women with black men than white women with white men.