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>TL;dr

Global trade dominance of the US is not under threat, it's already contested.

First separate global trade into two types:

Real trade- the phisical movement of resources and goods.

Fake trade- the complex web of digital trading, insurance, currency and security exchange, copy-write and patents, finance and debt trading.

Now look at what each type is reliant on.

Real trade requires physical infrastructure and physical security.

Fake trade requires communication. Diplomatic power, economic stability, finance and all the rest of it are entirely dependent on communication.

The US has built a powerful web of currency trading, stock exchanges, insurance and financial bodies, treaties, patents and currently derives it's power through them.

The Chinese are rebuilding the world's largest real trade network, with infrastructure and heavy industry at it's core.

The Chinese do not and never have respected or cooperated with US stock trading, patents, free trade, diplomacy, or communication.

The US has never respected China's Physical security and the real value of Chinese held resources.

Two starkly contrasted economic systems- why as China's influence grown they have not adopted the tactics of the US?

Now look at the fragility of global trade:

Key resources like Iron ore, crude oil, staple crops are largely moved by sea- and there are a handful of choke points which could cripple global shipping overnight (Panama, Suez, Persian/Arab gulf, strait of Gibraltar, Bosporus straight, Baltic). These could be obstructed by a single unit of men even in the face of entire commands. A liner sinks, a dirty bomb, naval mines, short range missiles, suicide boats- you just can't defend them without regional cooperation and major military threats.

The global IT network relies on a handful of cables, satellites and it's soft IT infrastructure.

Without these there is no free trade, insurance, mercentilism, tarrifs, real time trading, stock market, FOREX, lending. Everythign shuts down.

These cables are critically venerable across their entire length and have already been sabotaged on a number of occasions (but you never hear about that right?)

Satellites are also critically venerable across their entire orbit- from a limited number of stationary positions you could realistically bring down every satellite in orbit and challenge the handful of fixed orbital stations.

The soft infrastructure that underlies this network is equally venurble, held together by a patchwork of data banks and security algorithms that can already be challenged by next generation supercomputers in both the US and China and potentially in many other locations along the hard infrastructure network.

This is a scenario where a total blackout is possible if not inevitable.

The other key element is strategic stockpiles and production hubs.

Vast reserves of strategic resources, oil refineries, steel plants, farming regions, clearwater reserves, power plants etc.

Many are already cut off, coastal and in conflict zones and a number have already been physically challenged.

We can already see these networks are primed for collapse and all sides are preparing for this.

Global gold reserves have gone missing, fuel stockpiles are rapidly increasing, resource pipelines are being hardened against attack and secondary trade routes are being built all over the world.

Oil trade has been threatened off the coast of Iran, refineries have been attacked by drones and shipping routes have been threatened by short range missiles, Oil producing countries like Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Oman and many smaller producers are all in or prepared for armed conflict.

Key water resources are similarly threatened and continual sources of regional conflict in India/Pakistan, Central Asia, East Africa, Australia, Brazil, Laos, Cambodia and Myanmar

The Chinese have made a massive push to build dams along many of these rivers- as they are the only way to secure agricultural resources in their respective catchments.

Threats can be classed under three overlapping factors:

Passive control/ systematic influence- who can control how much is produced and who it is available to

Physical operation- who is physically maintaining and running these operations/facilities

Physical security- who can protect these facilities against sabotage, occupation and destruction.

Again, we can see a clear separation of the US and China's approach.

Both are fighting for passive influence through trade power, corruption, diplomatic threats and gunboat diplomacy

The US strongly favors the latter, since it's establishment the US has used gunboat diplomacy to gain influence- while the Chinese have favored trade power.

The Chinese have sought to buy, build and operate strategic resources/facilities around the world.

The US on the other hand have threatened the physical security of whatever the Chinese control physically.

Basically the global dynamic:

>everyone pays the US indirectly through non-phisical trade systems

>China takes control of phisical infrastructure

>US prepares to destroy infrastructure if China does not cooperate.

From time to time this needs to be underlined by physical attacks and threats, where the Chinese brandish their control over resources, and the US demonstrate their ability to destroy them.

A missile flys over the sea near Korea, a Naval vessel catches fire or is rammed, a warship enters territorial waters, military aircraft violate someone's air space, missiles are moved to a border area, a rebel group attacks a work crew.

What will kick this all off?

Unfortunately there are simply too many flashpoints now.

Technological advances in standoff weapons like long range aircraft and missiles threaten ports and navies

Supercomputers threaten IT infrastructure, coups and civil wars are started at will, financial crisis are recurring at an alarming rate.

It just comes down to motivation.

Why would anyone want to start such a mutually destructive conflict?

This is the only thing which is preventing WW3.

Individuals in power are too comfortable to be pushed to engage in destructive conflict, administrations can only see net loss, and Armies have no motivation to attack one another.

Even if assassinated, they will be replaced by new figures who are equally comfortable.

But the greatest risk is the political equivalent of Kessler Syndrome.

One flashpoint will become an inevitable conflict instead of a latent/controlled conflict. Timing is everything here.

If a mutually destructive conflict becomes inevitable it is liable cause a gravitation of increasingly powerful forces which are initially forced to act preemptively and knowingly or inadvertently create a larger inevitable conflict.

When a large power is effected, all the latent conflicts that it manages will subsequently fall out of control- there will be an exponential increase in the rate and severity of conflict until even world powers cannot stop it even by supporting their rivals.

Truly what I fear the most is not a world war- but the subsequent failure to prevent the foundations of our existence being destroyed afterwards.

If Nuremberg had collapsed and the UN/NATO hadn't been formed, SALT failed, OPEC or one of the other resource cartels had not held together- not only would there have been a fall of a world power- but a collapse of everything under it.

That is the dark age in Europe, the fall of the lost African civilizations, the fall of the Aztecs, and most recently the fall of the Quing dynasty that modern China traces it's roots.

This is only my reading and many may not agree- but this perspective will change the global outlook of many who have not considered the broad consequences of globalization or who more likely have simply become dissonant from known outcomes relating to accelerating conflict.

>it's the chinks not kikes

Cia niggers now outsourcing their propaganda operation to pajeet trannies.

"We HAVE to stop China, fellow whites! Iran too! The western world order is under threat!"

Naaah.

>>126461

Do we now have to post the same shit we’ve known LITERALLY FOR CENTURIES about how china is too incompetent to be a threat to literally anyone? Fuck off. You realize their military has no projection power, right? You realize they call body armor a ‘capitalist luxury’ right? You realize they were only issued western underwear for the first time in 2016, right? You realize they haven’t won a war in 400 years–and that was against unarmed Russian peasants–right? Fuck off with your jewish fearmongearing. When we exterminate the chinks, it will be on our terms.

>>126489

A whole lot of them must be genuinely worried as to how their precious NWO will fare outside of the west.

If anything, the approach to this one should be that of the Bolsheviks before the October revolution.

Let Conservatism Inc & the Fake-Right take all the weight and sink.

In related news, not only have they failed to get rid of the coof but are now experiencing a second wave.

Their population density is too high. They are never ever going to 'get it under control' it will simply be a slow bleed until they are bled out.

Sometimes I wonder why I even bother with you guys.

After waiting years for a happening, /k/ doesn't actually bug out, /pol/ claims the DOTR was a LARP, everyone gets accused of being a shill.

This is not business as usual.

The balance has been broken and as Chinese trade power goes unanswered the US is going to be forced to go to war against China directly or China will build and empire and throw out the US.

The US tried to make trade pacts against China but nobody was interested- Chinese infrastructure had pulled many developing nations into the 21st century.

Attacks against China's banking network failed, with even European powers investing in Chinese state banks.

Attempts to inflate the Yuan failed, and Chinese exports still remain competitive.

A bio-attack failed spectacularly, china locked down more than a hundred million people weeks before Chinese new year- while the virus spread into western nations with high immigration and state/regional infighting. 100,000 have died in the US officially, 9/11 was like 3,000.

Attempts to spark unrest in HK and Taiwan have had mixed results with the CCP remining in power without without using manland troops to hammer the 1/4 of the citties population who turned out in violent protest.

In an entirely unrelated event massive violent protests break out across the US and buildings burn and the army is called in.

And when it came to military force the US hasn't done well either.

repeated sanctions and coup attempts against Venezuela failed to topple the government despite the collapse of the economy.

Iran BTFO the US, launching SCUDS directly at one of their bases and shooting down a drone- the US response was an assassination of a man widely held as a hero which resulted in Iraq briefly contemplating ousting US troops- no less than 4 false flag operations in the gulf went ignored by the international community.

Setting the Indians up to fight China has also not gone well, with China and Pakistan both circling Kashmir.

We can't avoid another war at this point, Even if China collapses the US will totally loose control over their hedgmons and regional conflict will erupt everywhere

Since "we have it all" and this is happening, may I consider you complicit?

If I'll have proof in someoane that is about to comit a crime/crimes, and do nothing, I will be complicit?

Where those arrests? Justice in 3 years? Where is the truth? Where is that 40-60?

What acually truth did you said? That we are not alone and the rest is classified?

We already knew that we are not alone, Only God, and we are not alone.

So this kind of truth, is "ambiguus".

You actually told us nothing.

You say "truth must be seeing"? or something like that?

THEN WHY US ARMY/CIA/FBI/ KEEP SECRETS?

US ARMY/AIR FORCE KEEPING ET SECRETS, SINCE THE BEGINNING, FREE ENERGY, PROPULSION. SO I KNOW ABOUT THEM, TAKE THEM OUT, MAKE THEM PUBLIC!!!

THEN TELL US US ARMY UNDERGROUND EXPERIENCES ON PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CRIMINALS

LET'S GO, MAKE IT PUBLIC!!!

OF COURSE THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN, LIKE ARRESTS!

YOU FUCKED US FOR OVER 3 YEARS.

>>126562

So what is going to happen is that more virulent but less dangerous virus strains will outlive the more lethal ones as one gives relative immunity to the other. After time it just becomes another common cold.

Like I said, there are 100,000 dead and 2M+ infected in the US- and cases are still soaring.

In relative terms the US has clearly lost here

>>126559

I'm hearing a lot of burhurt and trite commentary.

China became a global power in only 50 years, when you measure them up to the US trajectory has to be a serious consideration.

I don't know on what basis you could call the CCP "incompetent"

Your Jewish media is giving you the impression that China will roll over in a fight- but the fact of the matter is that America hasn't fought a developed country since Japan, which was a very close run thing and the majority of Japans forces were in continental Asia.

>paper tiger

>never won a war

>no projection

If I got a Yuan for every time I hear those claims repeated without any justification

source: OPs dirty anus

fuck off nigger, where did you even read that? you complete asswad

>>126608

COVID is not a virus anon.

The name 'virus' is archaic before they understood Coronavirus. It is not even in the same class as a virus. There is no 'immunity'. There is no 'vaccine'. These are all fucking LARP's for you to grasp at later when things are really bad and we are coming down to the total extinction point. Not only is it not a 'virus' but it also infects all other types of mammals as well…truly the planet is totally fucked, but if they told you the TRUTH about it, you would lose all hope and do whatever you pleased for what might be the last year of your life. Why do you think they let their monkey pets run wild now. There is no point in containing them any longer.

>>126621

>you're allowed, for five minutes, to learn something about the balance of power in the world instead of starring at the same five jpegs in the adl thread

noooo you can't make me…lol, I actually just signed up for a bunch of geopolitical rags just to get some more perspective outside of my hugbox (/pnd/)

>>126621

>oy vey goyim whites are stupid

>oy vey the thread is good chinks are threat

No.

>>126608

>china became

Except they didn’t. They only exist today due to

1. Whites rebuilding them after WWII

2. Whites subsidizing them ever since

They’re not a global power now. They’re barely even a regional power now. They have absolutely no PROJECTION of this power. The second an actual war is declared, the Yuan is forcibly hyperinflated by the rest of the world refusing to allow transactions, and 500,000,000 bugs starve. The other BILLION bugs left will kill each other in civil war. You realize that chinks couldn’t win against Vietnam after FORTY YEARS OF CIVIL WAR, right?

>when you measure them up

Don’t make me post statistics, dipshit. You’ve already been humiliated by copying and pasting the ‘JAPAN WILL TAKE OVER THE WORLD’ line from the ‘80s again. Just fuck back off to reddit and spam your jewish hoaxes there.

>a developed country

China isn’t a developed country. Their buildings are made of sand, styrofoam, and literal garbage. Their designs are literally all stolen or copied versions of Western designs. Their arable land is poisoned by their factories, and all we have to do is cut off their imports and they literally starve.

>without any justification

<DURR I CAN’T OPEN A HISTORY BOOK

<DURR I CAN’T LOOK AT THE CHINESE MILITARY’S PHYSICAL MAKEUP

<DURR I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GEOPOLITICS OR INTERNATIONAL FINANCE

Yes, run along now. You’re an embarrassment to your cubicle block.

>>126630

But will we cut off their imports? Or keep them going for "humanitarian" reasons? What does a war look like when one side hates itself?

We lost in Vietnam too, you know.

Well, technically we won, but we didn't have the will to support South Vietnam after the war, so everybody thinks we lost

>>126461

Kill all jews first.

Anything else is secondary to that.

https://www.radioalbion.com/2020/04/the-orthodox-nationalist-is-china.html

China is a national socialist/ national bolshevik state. Any resistance should look to them as our allies.

>>126662

This kind of attitude has always fascinated me. China, by all metrics, hates the west, not just our current government. What indication do you have that they would ever be friendly to any American movement?

China, Iran, Arabs… just because they have strong regimes doesn't mean that they share your dream of a white ethnostare. Why should they? It would challenge their power. Vaguely admiring their form of governance doesn't make them your allies.

Until recently, basically every country on earth was a monarchy. Did they all get along?

>>126599

These are positive developments for us. If you're White, don't be in the military and resist with violence when the spicnigs try to conscript you.

>>126640

In short, this. I don't like the chinks but i consider the jews a far larger threat.

>>126621

Thanks anon.

I have been researching China's standoff capabilities and they are now significant.

Personally I forsee a nuclear attack on a naval target as the conflict escalates, maybe a carrier group or an island base.

On the basis there are no civilian casualties and fallout will hit China first, and the US as an aggressor in the region I think they could get away with it.

And that has serious implications for US carrier groups- which are the backbone of US hedgmony.

I also think there is little understanding of maritime/air operations.

Strategic bombers need escorts, and carriers are at the mercy of the weather.

As for India, while I don't want to be dismissive there are still serious structural issue because they failed to break from the demographically divided structure the British literally designed to divide the country. Too many of their forces have regional priorities and if mobilized will provoke fierce hostile reactions from locals even within India. Corruption is still the rule rather than the exception and large parts of India are still threatened by separatism.

Only recently did India air force tip their hand flying so close the the Capitol of Pakistan that the Pakistanis would welcome Chinese ground forces if they had anti-air capabilities.

And people forget that China has made serious territorial threats against east India, arming rebels in several regions and it was only US carrier groups that checked them.

Why does China maintain such huge infantry force?

At one point western forces were I hear fully geared to protect SEA against a Chinese invasion- but in keeping with broader Chinese objectives they simply bought out Laos and Cambodia.

>>126630

Your dissonance is showing.

The rebuilding of China took place with foreign investment because the potential for economic growth was plain to see. This was not strategic, it was unchecked greed by western corporations who wanted cheap labor and industrial products.

>China has no projection

>China has no food

>civil war

Again, it's a trite claim that doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

China is one of the only three countries that have strategic bombers, and the US selling fighter-bombers to regional powers though well played was only a bandaid to the underlying economic imbalance.

As soon as a conflict breaks out the staggering manufacturing capacity of China will quickly overwhelm regional hedgmons with loan-forces.

whew, just keep repeating the same claims.

China is a net food exporter by volume- it's only value measures in USD that give the impression otherwise.

>China sells a bag of rice

>they buy expensive steaks

>net food importer

And the Chinese have the largest internal security force in the world by a huge margin, not only do they have the largest infantry force but their militarized police outnumber the army four to one. The Chinese demonstrated this by locking down 100,000,000,000 people a few months ago- something not even concievable in other countries

>>126631

Indonesia's role in shipping is crucial as they are in by far the best position to block shipping and in real terms are more important than Panama.

They are also controlled largely by the military and the largest Muslim country in the world.

Indonesia has territorial ambitions in the region and is already in hot conflict with several of it's neighbors- so their support for US foreign policy is mixed at best.

A few radio guided missiles in among those islands and you would have no hope getting an oil tanker through- and that means they are inevitably going to be occupied in some regions either by China or the US

>>126635

Vietnam is developing at a huge rate thanks largely to Chinese investments, notable is the rail corridor which is seen as an extension of the silk road.

That kind of trade potential has a creeping effect on the politics of the region that the US can't check economically.

>>126662

They literally are nat-soc.

Claiming living space, state funded infrastructure, syndicalist, one party state, etc. etc.

"state capitalists" indeed.

>>126733

>TL;DR

But China's "Asia development bank" was a gamechanger and the US was butmad when Germany invested, signaling non-interferance.

Also China's "debt trap" in developing nations which accepted enormous infrastructure loans never materialized- in fact China absolved the debt of most of the projects that couldn't meet repayment and only seized assets in a handful of cases; unsurprisingly ports on the main OBOR path.

China doesn't want money, interest, debts- they want hard power and this scares the global jew.

>>126606

Both US and China are social experiments and puppet states of international Jewry. Anyone who thinks there is an actual conflict between the two is an idiot.

>>126461

I wonder what will happen now that the countries of the world put together have enough explosives to turn the earth into confetti 1000 times over.

The timing of these race riots in America are very suspicious. I have no doubt that China is stoking the flames behind the scene. They have everything to gain by pushing the USA into a bloody civil war.

>>127132

Good for the goose, good for the gander. The difference between the US and Hong Kong is that China has a competent and stable society and the US doesn't – something that China had nothing to do with creating.

>>126461

When China invades America, I'll welcome them as liberators.

>>126461

I wonder if you also have the same thoughts about the way Chinese treat their animals and their own people, what would happen if they got their hands on our people, also looking at the rape of Nanking (the Japanese did that but I think that China would do that too)

>>126461

It doesn't matter.

Killing all jews is the only thing that matters.

>>143676

Please stop killing tigers, your small yellow peepee won't become any longer or harder if you do this.

>>143676

BS. Those are holding and feeding pens. They are also used to tag them and keep them separated for a variety of reasons.

They get shuffled around to various pastures and open areas a couple times per week.

>>126883

>China has strategic bombers

>strategic

Literally 50's Tu-16 rip-offs, not even the commies in Russia were stupid or desperate enough to try use them as anything more than medium range tactical bombers/reccon.

>>143676

Meat is muscle and if you don't let an animal move around at all the muscle atrophies. Veal is the only time where thats done and its only because they aren't alive long enough.

>>143676

<lul Xdddddd stupid murica commies are good

Nice shitpost.

>>143803

Get your rifle, get in a boat, and lead by example, Binny.

>>143803

>>143691

>>143686

>>143685

Whats it like not having a foreskin?

>We are currently standing in a room full of elephants as the world once again hangs on the verge of war.

Ignoring the elephant in the room and letting it multiply is why Fate brought us to our current location. I say, there's a time when enough is enough.

I really do not want to go on this anti-China bandwagon. Not that I want them to have any influence or power in the West, but what are your solutions to confronting them. Let America replace the CCP with a liberal pro-America and pro-Israel government?

This site is such an obvious chinese shill platform. I just got here and it's glaring.

"China is communist, goyim! They'll upset the western world order if their economy isn't crashed and the CCP overthrow-ed!"

The jew want us to fight this war to safeguard their agenda, reject that!

Only Whites and White interests matters.

Thus, always reject JOG agitation against China.

Never side with JOG against China.

>>144499

Trips & dubs checked! You are correct, that is what this is all about!

>>144554

It's pretty darn self-evident and all that agitprop pushed by PJW and Tim "Soybalding" Pool are just pathetic!

Murdoch-Murdoch did an episode on that, btw. https://cheekyvideos.net/murdoch/Yellow%20Dawn.html

>>144539

"Pnd is being shilled by Chayna!"

"Just ignore that Pnd gets spammed with anti-Chinese posts and neo-con agitprop!"

Get AIDS!

If we really did have Chinese attention,THEN WE SHOULD USE THAT TO REDPILL THEM ON THE JEWISH PLOT TO OVERTHROW THE CCP & SUBVERT CHINA!

We are gonna tell them all about your subversion of western societies and the similarities with NGO "democracy" agitation in Thailand and Hong Kong!

>>144580

Maybe the real loot was the friends we made along the way.

>>143824

Can't really tell but I assume still better than having a 4 inch dick.

https://www.google.com/search?q=median+penis+size+by+country

>>144539

Naw you are just missing all your magatard buddies at halfchan

>>126489

porque no los dos

>>145008

Post-Mao China is very different and are not at the mercy or influence of Jews.

>>145190

Not at the mercy? Goldman Sachs is bigger in China than it is anywhere else on the planet. The jews are the only foreigners allowed to occupy a position in the Chinese government. You have lost your shit anon.

>>126672

That has nothing to do with anything. Any dissidents here should take any actions to support any foreign government possible purely to undermine the traitor one we have now just like how the Founding Fathers sided with the radical French despite not even liking them, dumb fuck.

>>145198

You actually think that China would allow Goldman Sachs in their country if they refused to play by China’s rules? And name one Jew that currently has a position in the Chinese government.