c18c7f No.3544
One can only do what one desires to unless force otherwise.
Therefore whatever someone does of their own free will is something they desired to do.
Therefore any good action someone does of their own free will is not a good action because it is an action they desired to do anyway.
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c18c7f No.3545
>Therefore any good action someone does of their own free will is not a good action because it is an action they desired to do anyway.
An awkward conclusion, resting on a lot more premises than given in your argument. Good and evil are properties that do not require free will, though that position has become somewhat of a truism lately.
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c18c7f No.3547
>>3544
i dont follow your logic.why cant you choose to do good?
ill just go ahead and save the philosophy majors around here their time by posting their defacto response
define good action
define desire
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c18c7f No.3676
>something good isn't good because you desired for it to happen
This is a false statement. Nowhere in the definition of "good" does it say it must happen by chance and never of free will.
I understand you're really posing the question, "Do we ever do anything because it's good, or do we only ever act in self-interest?"
But this ignores the fact that we can desire to do something because it is good. Humans are vain creatures, and they have fought and died for what they believed was right and wrong, for no personal gain.
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c18c7f No.3778
>>3544
I think what you are trying to say is that when we help someone or do any good deed, you do it because you fulfill some narcissistic needs or it makes you happy, you recieve some emotions from it, you do not do it solely for doing good, you do it in exchange of something, and that is caused by our nature.
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c18c7f No.3862
>>3544
Morality is subjective though.
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c18c7f No.3905
>>3676
>fought and died for what they believe in.
Isn't what they believe in within their own self interest?
Even if we assume the person knows they will die if they fight for their beliefs, they can still be fighting for their own personal gain whether it be fame, a belief that they will be rewarded in an afterlife, or the belief that it is good for a whole or part of humanity as they could personally value humanity over themselves. Even though they personally will die, they are choosing to do so because they personally wish for their own reality to be so. It is in their own self interest to die.
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c18c7f No.3906
>>3905
To add to this, I call on romeo and Juliette. Both an herod with their own self interests in mind, that being that death was better than living without their love. (even though that's batshit crazy)
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c18c7f No.3908
>>3905
>>3906
I think self interest just means surviving
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c18c7f No.3909
>>3544
Epiphenomenalism.
:^)
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ab1161 No.5460
>>3862
>Morality is subjective though.
Nihilism obtains.
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