41aa96 No.3434
Does determinism result in nihilism?
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41aa96 No.3435
>>3434
Not if you accept it and affirm life regardless (see: Stoics, Spinoza, and Nietzsche).
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41aa96 No.3436
Your reaction has already been determined.
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41aa96 No.3481
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41aa96 No.3484
>>3481
>>3436
Stop misrepresenting determinism as pre-destination, they aren't necessarily the same thing. You can have pre-destination or every future moment created as an inevitable consequence of past events, that is, not that it was decided that they would happen but that nothing but that could happen because of previous events.
Determinism is not necessarily fatalism, damnit...
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41aa96 No.3509
>>3484
This. You could have thought still and make choices but every choice you make is determined by what you believe/have a proclivity toward. You could have a proclivity toward altruism or nihilism, either way, that's been determined already by your past which was determined by everybody's past which was determined by the very beginning creation of life which was determined by the very beginning creation of everything.
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41aa96 No.3549
>>3509
>>3484
Then it's not determinism
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41aa96 No.3570
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41aa96 No.3656
>>3484
This is completely unimportant, they both to the same conclusion we are the extension of other processes, and not the other way around.
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41aa96 No.3659
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41aa96 No.3660
>>3659
>browses /philosophy/
>doesn't read
pick one
>>3656
There is a difference between "it was already determined that I would say yes" and "I will inevitably say yes". They both come to the same conclusion that we are the extension of other processes but in different ways.
You can take a train to another city on pre-built tracks, or you can drive there on the roads by following signs. You will get to the same destination and be taken there without your own free-will, but you got there differently.
"It was already determined that I would say yes" is fatalism, which is not the same as determinism.
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41aa96 No.3661
>>3660
They are different but that have the same impact so yes it is of importance in abstract philosophy, but not for practical application. I mean either one can be true, both of them as claim to reality should be considered metaphysics. As far as I can see to see it one way or the other, is simply about what you like. Science seems to support things, causing other things, but both ideas, are just as valid when it comes to how.
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41aa96 No.3662
>>3661
>not for practical application
>expecting philosophy to be practical
nigger why are you even here?fdgdfgdf
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41aa96 No.3663
>>3662
let me post the pic now, dunston
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41aa96 No.3664
>>3661
Fatalism says something will be regardless of preceding events, the other says something will be the necessary consequence of preceding events.
For a practical application, take the judicial system. Fatalists would say that if that person is fated to commit another crime, then why bother punishing or imprisoning them? If it's fated there's nothing we can do.
Some determinists (because there are many different strands of determinism) would say that the only way to stop them committing crimes against would be punishment/rehabilitation, since that is the cause that is required for them to stop doing that. Without doing that the person is more likely to re-offend. The imprisonment/rehabilitation is what causes the person to stop committing crime, rather than merely fate.
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41aa96 No.3668
determinism sucks muh radical freedom
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41aa96 No.3760
Indeterminism results in nihilism as well. A better question would be what doesn't result in nihilism
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41aa96 No.3763
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41aa96 No.3794
Fatalism is when you sit around your mom's basement all day waited for the predetermined moment of your death
Determinism is when you accept what you cannot change and happily go about your to-do list full of determination.
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41aa96 No.3932
>>3760
> A better question would be what doesn't result in nihilism
A good bank account, a good cook and a good digestion.
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41aa96 No.3938
>>3932
Digestion is key. Nietzsche must have had fluttering bowels and explosive diarrhea. IBS certainly changed my existential position.
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41aa96 No.3946
>>3434
First, what nihilism are we talking about here? Moral nihilism, existential nihilism...? In the case of moral nihilism, that dilemma is easily resolved by regarding moral judgements and categories as descriptive in nature. Just as a car can be "good" or "bad" based on its attributes, so can a human being be "good" or "bad" based on its qualities, principles or deeds.
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41aa96 No.3980
>>3932
I like that answer, and it's hidden nihilism makes it all the better
>>3763
No. How do you answer Nietzche's criticisms? "How can one live according to Nature? Would it not only ever be Nature according to the Stoa?"
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41aa96 No.3981
>>3980
>No. How do you answer Nietzche's criticisms?
nigger fuck you. this is a textbook example of moving the goalposts.
anyway i cant answer your question because i never have, and probably never will, read nietzche.
> Would it not only ever be Nature according to the Stoa?
how on earth can anyone live according to the opinion of such an abstract concept as a marketplace? does such a building even have the opinions you ascribe to it? how would i even begin to attempt to communicate with it?
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41aa96 No.3982
>>3981
>Stoa
>marketplace
>being this ignorant
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e3cd02 No.5455
Both free will and determinism are disprovable by contradiction.
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