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File: 2461697a2a13c29⋯.jpg (64.26 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, kc3.jpg)

 No.97993

I see a lot of confusion about King Crimson's LTiA music series, which is interspersed among several different albums, so I'm going to clear all doubts up with this chart to explain how best to listen to "Larks' Tongues in Aspic". One thing you've basically got to realise is that you can't just listen to all of the entries back to back. There's shit in-between, and even songs not necessarily labelled "Larks' Tongues" are still a part of the series. But it only gets more complicated:

The table splits to create two timelines, "Discipline" and "Indiscipline". The meaning of those two phrases in the context of LTiA is a total mystery to all but the closest listeners, but the two "paths" are equally legitimate as the other. Without further ado, here is the timeline:


                              I
                              |
                              |
                              V         
                             I I
                              |
                              |
                              V          
                             III
                              |
                              |
                              V
                            II II
                              |
                              |
                              V
                       I HAVE A DREAM!
                              |           
                 INDISCIPLINE | DISCIPLINE
                ・-------------・-----------・
                |             |           |
                |             |           |
                V             V           V
       DEMOLITION       SHARK'S LUNGS     THE WORLD'S MY OYSTER SOUP KITCHEN FLOOR WAX MUSEUM
                |         IN LEMSIP       |
                |                         |
                V                         V
 RADICAL ACTION I RADIO I
                |                         |
                |                         |
                V                         V
RADICAL ACTION II                         RADIO II
                |                         |
                |                         |
                V                         V
       LEVEL FIVE                         FRAKCTURED
                |                         |
                |                         |
                V                         V
           PEACE:                         THE POWER TO BELIEVE:
        AN ENDING                         CODA

You may have to widen your browser window to view it properly, as it's difficult to adhere to the 80-column rule when making these things. If you want a more compact version, just ask.

 No.98153

>>97993

This is interesting. Thanks for the recommendation.

How did you come to the realization that this is the correct order?

What are some other examples of this in KC's work?

Any other music recommendations?


 No.98180

File: a91911684b0926a⋯.png (100.3 KB, 250x225, 10:9, fripp_crim.png)

>>98153

1: I'll go through the process which lead me to this conclusion.

Going from Part I to II to III to IIII of L'TiA is an easy enough guess, and it provides a nice listening experience with good pacing. It's simply intuitive as it should be. The simiplicity ends here, and from thereon, they truly bring about the feeling of "having your tongue cut out and served with aspic" to the audience, but this change was more out of necessity than intentional design; as they say, "Innovation loves a crisis". You see, L'TiA was always meant to be a "pentalogy", but this series had brought King Crimson so many sales that they had no choice but to stretch it out in a way that explores all of the possible progressions past part IIII so that it doesn't disappoint any fans expectations. NONE of them.

With the next song, an extension of the fourth, they totally break the previous naming convention to make it clear that there's more to come. It has the inspiring title "I Have a Dream". One line in particular came to attention as I was trying to figure out where the series goes from there:

"…the bombing of the World Trade."

When I appreciated the full depth of meaning in this line, it was revealed to me as if by divination: "With this album, time is not linear."– King Crimson had predicted over a year in advance the attaKc on the World Trade Center. From there on, it became easier to see where I should go next with this series which had awkwardly ended singing some crap about AIDS and the Holocaust: Everywhere.

When this realisation came to me, I was trying to come up with any leads from the past, present, or future. I did remember one thing, and that was the time around KC's first reincarnation, where it was very likely that they were going to continue with the name "Discipline". I considered the question: "Where would King Crimson end up if they reformed as Discipline for real and pursued the musical direction they'd established?" and came to the conclusion that I'd have to portray their future as going into several different, distinct directions. Naturally, aside from the beginning, the "Discipline" timeline ends in really, really boring and pretentious stuff.

From there, I hit a stump and had to start doing some research. As Fripp's web log states<1>, the final entry to the series was going to be a song which sounded very similar to "Fracture", which was kind of lame and had a bunch of building up to absolute silence and the realisation that you'd hit the end of the album. Being a genius, I figured out on my own that this song would eventually become "FraKctured" and made its debut to the world through the ProjeKcts stunt when Fripp found the vinyl record sitting upside down on one of his shelves like a CD<2>.

The true ending to the series was Level Five, as geniously deduced by me, and after enough lobbying, the band had to grudgingly agree with me<3>. The chaotic feel and actual listening quality of this traKc perfectly embodied everything FraKctured was not, so I decided to place it as an opposite to it down an alternate "INDISCIPLINE" timeline.


 No.98181

File: 1598b21a1aab1d4⋯.jpg (954.32 KB, 1416x1800, 59:75, Augustin_Jean_Moreau-Vauth….jpg)

2, but also still 1:

Rarks' Tongues in Aspic had two sister series: "Radio" (R), which is contained wholly and exclusively in that Power To Believe studio album nobody really liked, and "Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of The Monkey Mind" (RAtUtHoTMM), a continuing series which has been sprinkled through several live performances, starting from its namesake, Radical Action to Unseat the Hold of The Monkey Mind (RAtUtHoTMM), which is actually very good and embodies an ideal outcome for the R'TiA series. This was aKcnowledged in a way at the RAtUtHoTMM performance where they used what had been developed of the RAtUtHoTMM series to tie neatly into an interpretation of Level Five. To ensure that the series continues with 5 songs in each direction from there, I basically fluffed it up with the first two entries from those series. It might be worth mentioning that the Power To Believe tried to do a bit of a self-titled distant relative to R'TiA, but unfortunately it ended at 4 parts and was a sore disappointment in general.

Just 1 again:

"Demolition" and "The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum" are another case of opposites, mixed in with the series' over-arching theme of timelessness and the renewel of the old. "Demolition" from the ProjeKct X album "Heaven and Earth" is basically the protoype of The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum, and this can basically be understood immediately when you listen to it<4>. It also has Level Five's themes in there. This combined with the fact that Level Five and The World's My Oyster Soup Kitchen Floor Wax Museum are very good songs solidifies its position in the INDISCIPLINE timeline. Demolition died like a rejected foetus, while its relatively mild twin sister made it to The ConstruKction of Light, right between FraKctured and R'TiA Part IIII, which makes them feel like two different interpretations of a single concept.

Peace: An Ending comes after Starless which comes after Level Five in their Live In Mexico performance this year, but there wasn't enough space to include Starless so I just skipped it. The The Power To Believe album with its premature ending The Power To Believe IIII works as an analogue. YES (another roKc band Bill Bruford has worked with), while the album does have Level Five in it, this is probably because King Crimson's works are so complicated that not even King Crimson has no idea how King Crimson works, and we can just roll with it,

I just thought it'd just be funny to put SharKc's Lungs in Lemsip where it was, sorry if this ended up upsetting anybody.

Due to the non-linear way the R'TiA timeline works, it's possible that it could've changed entirely by this point, and all of my work might've been rendered moot. Therefore, I encourage all listeners to develop their own timelines keeping the information I have provided here in mind. I hope you found reading through this helpful.

<1> https://www.dgmlive.com/diaries/Robert%20Fripp/conversation-between-pat-adrian-amp-210916

<2> This was revealed to me in a dream

<3> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/www.dgmlive.com/uploads/tinymce-uploads/blobid1529401479246.png – "Rarks’ Tongues In Aspic Part V has returned to its original title from the nom de guerre of Level Five; adopted to unseat expectation. Alternatively expressed, to unseat the hold of Monkey Mind."

<4> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP8LL3l05dk

<5> I don't remember where I read this

3: I think U.K.'s stuff is pretty nice


 No.98182

>>98180

you stole this image from me what the fuck dude


 No.98183

>>98181

I said that Radio was a part of The Power to Believe, but actually it was THRAK. Thrak had VROOOM which was split into 4 parts, and the second entry "Marine 475" ends with an echoing "five", fuKced my post up by missing that one. I guess I got confused because that one also has Inner Garden in it.

>>98182

I fucked up


 No.98213

File: 12cdd7c57c30ee0⋯.jpg (21.28 KB, 400x274, 200:137, vander-trio.jpg)

Should be less complicated than a Magma timeline.


 No.98443

I've listened to all of KC's studio albums up to Three of a Perfect Pair, only listened to bits and pieces of the live albums, so I don't know if what I'm about to suggest should be valid. Try putting "The Talking Drum" in between Larks' parts I and II. It's a great block that smoothly connects the quiet end of Larks' I to the loud beginning of Larks' II.

I was also thinking about putting the whole suite of Industry / Dig Me / No Warning in between parts II and III but then that would just be the Right Side of 3oaPP smacked in the middle of the timeline before the split.




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