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Ya'll need Mises.

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 No.97417

since democracy was a mistake, what's the alternative?

 No.97418

What about democracy as a system of placing leaders has failed?

Are you sure you don't mean state paternalism has failed?


 No.97420

>>97418

niggers


 No.97423

>>97417

panarchy


 No.97428

Democracy really just means mob rule, and since the mob is a bunch of lemmings swayed by media and academics, all of whom are easily bought, democracy actually just means oligarchy, eventually.

The correct alternative is strong, centralized, Christian monarchy: monarch power is restrained by Christian morality system as well as being answerable to both the People and God, with none of the tomfoolery that goes on with diversified branches of government. Basically, God is the ultimate benevolent patriarch, and the monarch is expected to, likewise, be a benevolent patriarch to his "tribe" (nation). Heirs are raised from birth to be skilled in the various aspects of leading a people, so you don't have complete idiots with no experience stepping in every four or eight years.

The slightly less ideal choice would be ethnonationalism. Sucks for anyone not a part of said nation via birth and culture, but there is a unity there which is certainly admirable.

Multiculturalism has failed time and again. Diversity + proximity = war. Strong fences make for good neighbors, etc.

If you really can't shake your feelings of altruism, then propertarianism is a feasible option: democratic rule, but extremely limited government, and the franchise is limited only to male property owners in good standing, because history has also shown that when women gain power and influence over people, everything goes to shit.

All of these options require a strong, patriarchal/male dominated sense of order and control. Women are not biologically designed for rulership over anything of greater scope than extended family. The motherly instinct is a beautiful thing, but only when applied to her direct family. It becomes outrageously destructive to a nation when it extends beyond that.

TL;DR: Patriarchy.


 No.97429

>>97417

Bureaucratic legislators and lawyers have done more to infringe liberty than most despots and monarchs. No idea what the alternative is, this is the natural cycle of democracy and perhaps humanity isn't ready to be free. If the founding fathers knew someone could elect themselves president for life they would never bring it back as a system.


 No.97432

>>>/monarchy/

That place has been slowly filling up with /liberty/ posters.


 No.97433

>>97432

ironic that liberty and monarchy both know another french revolution is happening


 No.97459

>>97417

Democratic Republic with a constitution is literally the greatest system ever. Only a really stupid child would disagree with this over some gay ass meme reason


 No.97463

>>97459

the whole point of the constitutional republic is the rule of law. today it's been destroyed by lawyers and demogogues.


 No.97465

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>>97417

If a profitable source of income comes from a barely populated area that can be affordably reached by saving money for a decade or less to travel there, then we could see a return of the "Hokkaido front" or "Wild West" days. Otherwise bigger and bigger government until societal collapse is induced or the government quite literally runs out of a resource and is forced to scale back operations due to the laws of conservation of matter. With a very slim chance of space travel, though this would imply a totalitarian state foreseeing its own downfall and actually acting in a self-preserving manner instead of living off the next (several) generations' vitality, which is a near-impossibility.


 No.97478

>>97463

No it hasnt.


 No.97488

>>97459

>Democratic Republic

>with a constitution

Good job, you've already created a conflicted system. Fucking retard.


 No.97489

Democracy fails because it most strongly incentivizes the spending of other people's money. Any system which mitigates the ability to spend other people's money will work better, and the system which discourages it outright–anarcho-capitalism, the natural order, whatever name you wish to give it–will work the best.


 No.97506

>>97432

What happens if the royal family becomes a group of hapless cucks like the British?


 No.97507

"now that the dust has settled" is a classic shill prase.


 No.97511


 No.97517

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>>97417

a better democracy


 No.97518

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>>97428

>monarch power is restrained by Christian morality


 No.97521

>>97488

No I havent.


 No.97522

>>97428

>The correct alternative is strong, centralized, Christian monarchy

Stopped reading there.


 No.97546

>>97428

>Presidential power is restrained by Christian morality system as well as being answerable to both the People and God,

>Basically, God is the ultimate benevolent patriarch, and the President is expected to, likewise, be a benevolent patriarch to his "tribe" for a time

>Future politicians are raised from birth to be skilled in the various aspects of leading a people end educated in best national universities where they compete with other possible politicians, so you don't have random inbreds getting absolute power on a silver plate every generation they waste on frivolities or ever bigger palaces while the plebs starve to death

>>97506

>becomes a group of hapless cucks

<he thinks a Hannoverian - Saxe-Coburg-Gota German dynasty with extremely close ties with Jews since the last 300 years gives a flying fuck about dirty British plebeians

They don't. Not quite. The British are to pay taxes and procreate cattle, if they don't do their jobs rights they get replaced. Why should a German house care about individual Brits they spent like a common resource ever since the Imperialism started.


 No.97548

>>97546

The British monarchy today still has severely restricted powers compared to the past so the idea of monarchs being an inherently good idea seems flawed when a bunch of kikes can intermarry into and whittle down its power over timel


 No.97560

>>97417

SEXOCRACY


 No.97693

>>97417

Constitutional republic


 No.97694

>>97428

>KING BEHOLDEN TO POPE

then thats just kike rule again

become orthodox


 No.97705

>>97693

How do you select leaders so demogogues don't appoint activist judges that rape the law?


 No.97707

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>>97705

I don't understand what you mean, the people are the leaders. Anyone exercising authority beyond their offices powers is a traitor and should be immediately removed by the people. No matter what type of Government you have the ppl need to be involved or else you have despots and slaves. Like right now, USA is technical a constitutional republic but the ppl are gay and dumb so what we really have is plutocracy atm


 No.97709

>>97707

representative democracy isn't working to stop the government making people gay and dumb on purpose to get away with enslaving them


 No.97715

>>97709

That's the fault of the ppl, they should recognize that feeding 90% high fructose gmo corn syrup solid to a 1 month old baby is bad. The government is only pitching options, the people accept and use them. The actual written government is really good but the ppl ruin it by laziness


 No.97721

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> what's the alternative?

Distributism


 No.97722

>>97721

How are "private capital" and "regulation of economy" not the same metric?


 No.97724

>>97715

If humans are too retarded to run the best system maybe >>97429 is right.


 No.97727

>>97715

Except you have no choice when it comes to sending your kids to school, which is the primary way people are made stupid.


 No.97789

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>>97727

no u can homeschool. public schools are called common school. they are provided for poor ppl because everyone, when there used to be families and ppl saved money, either went to private school or home school or there were small school houses like pilgrim style. no one has to go to school at all, read the law for your state. its 100% optional.

read this be more educated than anyone who went to english major at a college


 No.97867

The alternative is no rules.


 No.97893

>>97867

No rulers don't mean no rules




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