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 No.65239

I'm not sure where there is a larger aggregation of monarchists so I might as well ask here. What legitimizes a monarch? "Bloodline" is not an argument, by the way.

But even if it were, what about countries that are historically without a monarch or their only monarch is imposed by foreign powers. Assuming most monarchists are edgy burgers, how would you bring about your style of monarchy to the USA or whatever state after a presumed balkanization?

 No.65242

You might want to try /pol/ instead.


 No.65248

If you're interested in /liberty/-friendly monarchy, pick up The State in the Third Millenium.


 No.65257

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>>65239

>What legitimizes a monarch? "Bloodline" is not an argument, by the way


 No.65264

>I'm not sure where there is a larger aggregation of monarchists

>>/monarchy/


 No.65266

>>65242

Even monarchist threads are delete-on-sight over there.


 No.65269

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>>65239

Being a monarch is not much different from being an ancap and owning all the land in an area and not entering into binding agreements with others except one's where you are the superior i.e. feudalism. Constitutional Monarchy is different.


 No.65270

>>65239

Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, Bertrand de Jouvenel and Hans Hermann Hoppe all make good arguments for monarchy. Of course, Hoppe is still an ancap, not even an anarchomonarchist. Von Kuehnelt-Leddihn believed that both monarchies and republics can be just, but called himself a christian anarchist. Not sure yet where de Jouvenel stands. Hans Adam II von Liechtenstein and his The State in the Third Millenium have already been mentioned.

As an ancap, the only possible stance on monarchy is to condemn it, but that doesn't mean you cannot point out that it's not as bad as democracy. As a libertarian who's not an anarchist, you can potentially accept any form of government, what's important is only that the people and the markets are free. Under a monarch, that's more likely to be the case than under a democratic regime. Of course, the popular wisdom is that nothing is worse than an "autocracy", but frankly, wisdom and popularity don't go along well anyway.

Personally, I wouldn't mind having a natural aristocracy around, and not even if they had titles, as long as they wouldn't have special privileges that were enforcable. Same with having a king with no coercive powers. In fact, he could unite the nation, settle larger disputes, and give the people guidance. These are all potentially beneficial effects. A "voluntary democracy", on the other hand, would be largely worthless.

As to how likely a resurgence of monarchism is: Not very much. Just as an ancap-revolution is unlikely, at least in the foreseeable future. Doesn't mean you shouldn't propagate your ideals. Life is not about transforming society, that's largely beyond the scope of any individual. What you can do is speak the truth and lead a good life.


 No.65271

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>>65269

So what ultimately legitimizes a Monarch is Title deed.

Property rights.

>>65264

Yep, /pol/ should style itself Trump's Conflicted Nazis. It is not the same open space as before.


 No.65273

>>65269

That's a lot of words, but you forgot to put meaning into them.

>Being a monarch is not much different from being an ancap and owning all the land in an area and not entering into binding agreements with others except one's where you are the superior i.e. feudalism.

So if you own all the land in "an area", and don't ever make a contract with anyone unless you're the "superior", you're a king "i.e." (?) feudalism. So because you magically own all the land in "an area", you can prescribe the terms of any contract? You have the leverage to turn a plumber who fixes your toilet into your serf? Well, what's to prevent him from finding work elsewhere? What's to prevent your "serfs" from simply leaving your land, forcing you to be completely self-sustaining?

Basically, what you wrote was meaningless drabble, you're a retard with no understanding of either history or economics or legal theory, and I'm ashamed to be on the same board as you. May God have mercy on your soul.


 No.65274

>>65271

I don't say this often, but: Samefag.


 No.65275

>>65271

…I wasn't saying /monarchy/ sarcastically. There really is a /monarchy/ board. And they're dying for posts. Please at least crosspost there.


 No.65277

>>65239

>What legitimizes a monarch?

The "Divine Right" was the last thing that did, but the revolutions of the enlightenment killed that. The only reason people keep monarchs around now, at least in the West, is the cozy feeling of tradition. That may soon change as well.


 No.65282


 No.65285

>>65239

Can you make this thread on >>>/monarchy/? I'll even make it for you, same wording and everything, even the same picture.


 No.65286

>>65285

I x-posted it anyway, fuck it.

>>>/monarchy/641


 No.65303

>>65286

>>65285

thanks, I was at work


 No.65363

>>65303

No problem, anon. You even got a reply. I'll head over there sometime soon, as I want to weigh in on what you posted myself.




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