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There's no discharge in the war!

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3c2bf9  No.688627

Be careful if you live in a state with red flag laws. You think it can't happen to you but then it does.

As if being granted permission by the benevolent government to exercise your unalienable, constitutionally enumerated rights wasn't hard enough, they still try to take those rights away.

No innocence before being proven guilty. No audience with a judge. No appointed lawyer. No confronting witnesses or even knowing who they(if any) are. No viewing evidence(if any) being used against you.

The argument for infringing on your rights without due process is urgency yet there's no expiration. The burden of proof is on you to prove you're worthy of your unalienable rights. Even if you comply with their unreasonable requests, you can still be denied. There's no accountability.

You're subject to arrest, search of property, and prosecution if you don't comply. The police will come to your place and demand your guns, even if you don't have any. The government has no way of knowing which guns you do or don't own or where they are but they're happy being able to steal from you and harass you in any way they can. They'll scream at you, accuse you of holding out, and threaten you if you don't comply with their bill of attainder. They'll dismantle your toilet, bed, and other furniture looking for your rights.

The next time some sleazy politician tries to tell you they're not after your guns, remember what's happening all over the country. You can be next.

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3c2bf9  No.688630

Some advice:

Get the hell out of anti 2a states unless you're an accelerationist. Take tax revenue and representation in congress and give it to pro gun states. You want to be on the right side when the country splits. The most anti gun states are losing population and they'll be losing seats in congress with this year's census. Show the anti gun states the cost of alienating their best residents.

Beware of fudds, they'll snitch on you. Learn how to spot them. Don't assume they'll take your side. They'll be pointing at you in court. Telltale signs are not carrying or only carrying when they perceive danger, owning only low tech or old fashioned guns, respecting Jim Crow signs targeting gun owners, being afraid of carrying for fear of castrating themselves, and being afraid of the color black.

Don't let anyone know which or how many guns you own. The cops will know what to look for. This goes especially for coworkers who have an incentive to get rid of you to raise their position in the company. Don't let anyone see you at the range, especially if you have a job. Order as much as you can online, that includes guns. Doing it without a paper trail is even better. Learn to make unfinished lowers. Better yet, learn machining. Especially don't go to the range if you have a job.

Never go to a psychologist or psychiatrist. Mental illness is one of the anti gunner's main paths towards gun confiscation. Don't assume that just because you've been traumatized or treated unfairly, that anyone will be sympathetic towards you. Mental illness will stay on your record just as if you have been convicted of a crime. Getting it off can take years of legal wrangling. Don't assume that going voluntarily will protect you.

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3c2bf9  No.688632

What to do during an arrest:

If you feel like you're being lured somewhere, don't go. If you feel that you're going to get fired, don't go to work. Negotiate from the outside. Pay attention to whether your company accounts are disabled. If you get somewhere and the receptionist or security guard or whoever is at the door is holding you, they may be stalling you for the police to arrive. It may be best to say "ok, call me when it's resolved" and leave. Make sure you're recording with video. Pay attention to any bolo notices that may be sent out for you. Take pictures of them. The cops will probably take your phone so that they are not accountable for their actions. Don't assume they'll have body cams or dash cams. If they do, don't assume they're active. Cops will try to move you away from security cameras. Insist on staying near them so that you can request the judge to issue a subpoena for the recording. They may use a "protective patdown" against you. Because of this, it may be safer to carry off body. There will be a greater burden of proof for the cops to search something that's in a container off your body. They'll have a harder time convincing a judge that it was necessary for their safety.

The most important thing to know is that cops will argue that you weren't arrested but that you went voluntarily, no matter how absurd that argument is. You may not expect it until you show up at court. It may be obvious to you that you were arrested and that it happened as soon as you met the cops. The judge will establish whether or not the cops had probable cause to arrest or search you. The exact position where you were arrested may be debated. It could be at the scene, in the cruiser, at any place that was searched, or at the station. In order for cops to arrest you, they must Mirandize you. In other words, they must read you your rights. If the judge rules that you were arrested without being Mirandized, any evidence gained after that point will be unusable and the charge may be dropped because of it, no matter what that evidence is.

Pay attention to the minor details during the arrest. You will need it to establish your credibility and to argue that your arrest was in fact an arrest. Pay attention to the small details like whether or not they put their hands in your pockets, had their hands on their guns, how many cops there were, whether they were plain clothed or unformed, and whether they had guns and badges. Pay attention to what they say. Record what they say as soon as possible, you may not be able to present it in court for years.

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3c2bf9  No.688633

Cops will designate someone to be rude and aggressive and another to be kind and sympathetic. This is called "good cop bad cop". Remember, there's only bad cops. No pro gunner would be a cop because the law is anti gun. The "bad" cop will grab you, shove you, search you, cuff you, and scream. The "good" one will try to tell you that you're not in trouble just as long as you comply. The "good" cop will generally be the one interrogating you. It's a common manipulation tactic.

The cops will try to threaten or coerce you into giving consent to search your property. They'll try screaming at you and holding their hands on their guns to intimidate you. They'll use arguments like that they're guaranteed to get permission from a judge, that you'll get your property back, or that you'll get jail time for not consenting to the search. If they didn't need your consent, they wouldn't ask for it. They won't only search for what's on the paper, they'll look for anything they can, especially drugs. They'll question you on your prescriptions. If you have the key to a safe on your keychain, a cop may hide it or throw it away so that they can accuse you of hiding it and gain more time in your place. Have a code on your phone and make sure nothing is accessible from the home screen.

When you get taken to the police station, you'll probably be interrogated. Nothing you say that it's in your favor will end up on the police report. Anything incriminating will. Words are added to police reports verbatim, with no context. They'll try hard to misinterpret your statements in order to incriminate you. Pay attention to what they say when you ask to speak with counsel. If they respond asymptotically, implying that you will get a lawyer but continuing to ask you questions, they're deceiving you. Ask many times so that you can argue in court that you expected to speak with counsel and were told that you would but were denied. Don't sign a Miranda disclaimer. There's nothing in it for you. It means you're getting arrested. At this time, they'll ask more direct questions like whether or not you did whatever you're being accused of. If you got intimidated and then spent the whole day in the police station answering question, you may not think anything of being instructed to sign a paper and answering more questions. They'll tell you that you won't get into any trouble by confessing and that you'll be able to go home. In most states, statements alone are not enough for a conviction but they can be used to prosecute you which may be worse than a conviction.

There's boxes in the police report that mark whether or not the crime, even if it's a victimless crime, is racially biased or gang affiliated. All it takes for it to be marked is for someone to tell. Any witness that's interviewed can say that you don't like darkies and are in a gang and that will further set the precendent against you in court even if there's no evidence.

When you're arrested, you'll get "incarcerated". You'll get sent to a part of the police station which resembles a jail where you'll be fingerprinted. You'll be given some documents that say when you need to be in court, what you're being charged with, and any areas you're prohibited from entering or people you're prohibited from communicating with. You'll be given a chance to make a phone call and bail yourself out. The cops may lie and say you can't bail yourself out with a credit card. You may end up being there longer than necessary. You can't leave so someone would have to bring cash to bail you out. Hopefully someone you know is nearby and has enough in cash to do so.

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3c2bf9  No.688634

In court:

Most states have something called a "statute of limitations". The idea behind it is that in order for someone to be convicted of a crime, the state must prove that a crime has been committed, that the defendant committed the crime, and that the defendant intended to commit the crime. This is from the point of view of a theoretical "reasonable" person. Statements alone are probably not enough to convict you.

Court meetings are generally "on key". That means that sessions can only be held once per month. If your lawyer has something set, it'll be 2 months. If your lawyer has something set even then, it can be 3 or 4 months. This can be for something that could easily be accomplished the next day. The beginning of a court process is called "discovery". This is when the state provides you with the evidence being used against you. It's also when you request subpoenas. The injustice system will try to trickle as few pieces of evidence at a time as possible in order to extend the amount of time you have to spend there. It could be a several hour one way trip to the nearest courthouse and you usually won't be told whether or not the meeting is cancelled for that day. If you're not dead of old age by the time you have all that evidence, you can get to the part where you submit motions. You can have your lawyer submit motions to squash evidence that was obtained illegally or because you were denied counsel. Hopefully, the charges will be dropped before you get to trial. If you have a trial, expect to pay a lot for a bench trial and even more for a jury trial.

You don't get compensated for traveling to the court, the time you spend out of your job, job rejections, or legal fees. Even if you win, you'll have to pay to get the arrest taken off your record. If you lose, the rules for getting it off your record vary. You may have to wait 5 years. You can sue witnesses for making false statements or your employer for unlawfully firing you or the police for illegally arresting you but civil court is different than criminal court. Not only will you have to hire another lawyer, not a criminal defense lawyer. You don't have the same kind of protections that are in criminal court. There's a weaker burden of proof and illegally gained and coerced evidence can be used against you. That's if you want to spend years in court and even if you win, the person you're suing may not have money. If they do, they may not pay.

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3c2bf9  No.688635

When you're arrested, even if you're not charged, you'll have it on your record. That can be used to deny you jobs, apartments, or loans. If you have an accusation for a gun charge in an anti gun area, you can have a much harder time finding a job. Employers won't let you use "it's just an accusation and there's no evidence" as an argument. A lot of employers won't hire someone just for being a gun owner. An arrest may coincide with getting fired and having to pay heavy legal fees so you may be in a dire situation in your personal life. You'd be waiting months to get another shred of falsified and exaggerated evidence with no job, financial problems, and being uncertain about your future. You can plea guilty but you may have your gun rights rescinded and your guns destroyed. You can face fines and jail time. If you got caught with a gun collection and tub full of ammo, you may be left with no good options. Even if you win, the persecutor can still file a motion to get your guns destroyed. They can do this just because they feel like it and they have no accountability. That's how much your constitutional right matter. People constantly plea guilty for crimes they didn't commit because they know that fighting the charge is worse, even with a court appointed lawyer.

The injustice system is like a spider's web. It's very hard to get out of it. It's designed that way. Having a record puts you at a disadvantage. When you're getting denied jobs, it's tempting to sell drugs or do other illegal activities. You may end up in even more legal trouble because of the legal trouble you're already in. If someone got you arrested or red flagged out of anger, they may try to snuff you out if they think you're disarmed. You're forced to carry illegally which can have serious consequences if you get caught. Either that or deal with the stress and fear of being disarmed and losing what feels like a body part. The sheer unfairness as well as the trauma of getting arrested and the stress that comes from fighting a legal case and the constant delays along with financial problems and the change in world view can have a bad affect on your psyche. You may find yourself getting very depressed. You may feel like you have no option but to visit a psych because you can't handle your life. That'll only make things a lot worse.

The guilt of letting anti gunners take your guns. The unfairness of having someone call the cops on you because they don't like your demographic or some other petty disagreement. The absurdity of being prosecuted for exercising a constitutional right, sometimes as trivial as owning a pistol grip. Getting treated like a criminal or terrorist for exercising a constitutional right. It'll make you feel hopeless and vulnerable. It can really mess with your psyche and it'll change your world view too.

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e3fa02  No.688669

>>688627

Hope you're doing okay OP. I'd just like to add this video that should be required viewing for everyone. "Don't Talk to the Police".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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fc1be1  No.688681

>>688669

this vid get posted a lot, but never enough. it is good advice

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