3c5d0a No.681641 [Last 50 Posts]
Since this seems to be a topic of interest as of late, I’ve decided to come up with my own basic concept of an improvised nuke that is much more plausible than most other methods — using the TNT equivalent instead of actual fissile material.
So, let’s say you want to make a Tsar bomb. How much TNT would you need? 50 megatons. However, the next problem would be actually obtaining enough of the materials neededto make TNT. In most first world nations, the chemicals needed to create explosives are heavily regulated (like nitric acid). So instead, my solution to that problem would be to use gunpowder, which isn’t made from all those harsh laboratory chemicals that would be needed to make TNT or RDX. All you would need is Potassium Nitrate, Charcoal and Sulfur. And you could even make gunpowder from your own urine. You would just need enough of it for it to be the equivalent of 50 megatons of TNT.
But the next problem is how exactly you’re going to detonate this device. Since obtaining the materials and engineering necessary to make an ICBM would be universally implausible, I’ll just say to use the Hamas method, in that you would make sugar rockets, provided that you have enough of it to launch the warhead to the desired destination (i.e. from the United States to Israel, for example), and for the guidance, you could use a homemade RC Servo mechanism that’s big enough to weigh down and direct the rocket to anywhere you want it to go. As for the detonation, you could just use a nail and a bullet, with the explosive charge tightly packed in the explosive shell to hold it in place and for it to burn faster upon detonation. You could even add some radioactive materials as a finishing touch; say radioactive cobalt or any other radioactive material that you can find.
Also, my design is of a rocket, not of a device that is dropped from an aircraft or fired from a submarine.
But would this actually be plausible? It sounds kinda stupid, since you would need sufficient amounts of each material, but at least on paper it’s possible.
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3c5d0a No.681645
>>681641
One thing I forgot to add is that you would need to apply some GPS tracking to the nuke to see where it’s going. Then you could use your RC Servo remote to move it at any time to to your desired target.
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fb310b No.681647
>>681641
You do realize 50 megatons is 50,000,000 tons of TNT, right. As in, literally 50 million tons in weight.
That mixture you listed makes black powder, not modern gunpowder. And gunpowder is not a high explosive, it's a low explosive.
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3c5d0a No.681648
>>681647
I never said it was going to work, this is just a concept that I made up for a dirty nuke. As for the last part, it was just put there for the sake of accessibility.
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d6ad16 No.681649
>>681641
Just spray some Caesium-137 powder into the Amatol mixture of a regular bomb and call it a day.
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7606a5 No.681650
>>681641
>using the TNT equivalent instead of actual fissile material.
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3c5d0a No.681651
>>681650
For a little boy, it’s 15 kT, for a fat man, it’s 23 kT. That’s far less than a Tsar bomb.
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7606a5 No.681652
>>681647
>not making a sugar rocket that carries 50 000 000 tons of TNT
>not just replacing the TNT with blackpowder
I'm not an expert, but I think burning that much black powder could actually cause at least a local cooldown with all the smore and sot in the atmosphere.
>>681651
So we are looking at 15000-23000 metric tons of blackpowder, and a sugar rocket that can carry the payload. Much better.
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d6ad16 No.681665
>>681652
How many Indians would one need to produce that much BP in the span of a year?
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fad2cd No.681671
>>681647
IIRC there was some blast tests that were done using actual megatons of TNT in the 50's.
I think that a lot of footage that is presented to be "nuclear blasts" ruining houses and forests and what not, is from those tests (that were evaluating nuke blasts effects… Except on a smaller scale and without having to use an actual nuke, that were still rare and with all the others effects for more precise readings).
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6e8ee4 No.681674
>>681665
Just use Ganges river water
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882e09 No.681690
>>681641
>OP: let's make a nuke-equivalent bomb with conventional explosives
<Me: O…kay
>we can use our own piss to make blackpowder
<[deebly gonzerned OP has contracted the downs]
>let's put it on a sugar rocket
<[gonzern intensifies]
>rockets aren't fired from submarines
<[the reading is 3.6 gonzern, but that's as high as the meter goes]
>It sounds kinda stupid
Yes. yes it does.
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4bf8f2 No.681692
>>681641
OP, are you actually suggesting crafting literally millions of tons of blackpowder? There's so much wrong with this whole plan I don't even know where to begin. You'd probably have an easier time stealing enriched uranium than with this.
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0f4373 No.681696
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d7a02e No.681697
>>681674
Jesus Christ, man. We're trying to make a massive black powder bomb, not erase a quarter of the galaxy.
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fd918a No.681700
>>681696
>>681692
>>681690
Let him work. At this point the only way I'll ever be impressed again is if some retard actually does something with a million ton blackpowder bomb
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926460 No.681708
>>681641
You only need 7kg of uranium to make a dirty bomb but it'll only be the size of a large fountain. Frankly chemical weapons or just plain old regular bombs are more efficient than nukes. Remember you're trying to make a heat-resistant ceramic have a heat-based reaction in most nuclear reactions (Thorium aside, but then because of that Thorium is a pain to work with/can't really explode). Nuclear bombs just flat out suck for explosives and are only made by governments because it's less resource-intensive (not cheaper, resource-intensive) than a bomb of equivalent size. It takes much longer to procure the materials and contractors to build traditional explosives of comparable size as compared to a nuke.
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926460 No.681709
>>681649
Also something like this would be more efficient. Really shoving powderized any nuclear material and governments/civilians will consider it a "dirty nuke" even if the residue is cleared out by rain in a day.
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926460 No.681710
>Actually read OP
Nevermind, you're just retarded.
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882e09 No.681718
>>681708
>you're trying to make a heat-resistant ceramic have a heat-based reaction in most nuclear reactions
In a reactor? Yes. In a bomb? No. Bomb cores are slugs of the particular metal so you don't have something else like oxygen interfering with the compression.
Metallic Plutonium is so difficult to work with because it can spontaneously ignite and burn in air, so it needs to be handled only in glove boxes with no oxygen. It goes through several distinct crystal structures as it cools, and the only way to keep it in a stable workable state is to alloy it with Gallium, which eats through things like Aluminum and Steel. If Uranium were easier to enrich, Plutonium would never have been made in any significant quantity.
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3c5d0a No.681764
>>681701
How much for a little boy/fat man sized bomb? We would be working with a lot less then, since a little boy is the equivalent of about 15 kilotons of TNT and a fat man is worth 23 kilotons if TNT.
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4e6c62 No.681776
>>681690
>rockets aren't fired from submarines
That's the most sensible part of his idea because the amount of BP needed to equal a nuke would be too much for any submarine, or maybe even cargo ship to carry.
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7606a5 No.681809
>>681790
>Ironically you might be able to do it with an orion drive but using a nuke to launch conventional explosives is pants on head retarded
It's not a nuclear weapon if the warhead is not nuclear, therefore it makes sense if you want to avoid a nuclear war :^)
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fad2cd No.681833
>>681671
Kilotons not megatons sorry.
>>681790
Also this you could make a cargo ship IED as powerful as the Hiroshima's bomb with relatively little work (for a government).
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973dc5 No.681834
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d6ad16 No.681837
Has anyone ever tried using nukes to spread nerve agents over a wide area?
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4bf8f2 No.681840
Speaking of nukes, could nuclear power plants be used for a similar effect? Allegedly, if you melt down all the reactors, it should create enough of a stink to fuck up everyone's shit on the continent. So why not use it for MAD? "Nuke me and I'll crash this continent with no survivors"
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882e09 No.681865
>>681840
That's not how reactors work. Bombs require a very specific configuration of fissile material. Fissile material is material that is not just radioactive, but very radioactive. U-238 has a half-life of over 4.4 billion years. Pu-239 has a half-life of around 25,000 years, over 100,000 times more radioactive than U-238. Now you don't need to go to that extreme to make a weapon, isotopes about 50 times more radioactive will do, but weapons require those specific isotopes that can sustain a chain reaction without the aid of a moderator.
Power reactors are designed in such a way so that they can't blow up like a nuclear bomb, the configuration of the fuel in the core is almost always in long, thin rods that make a run-away reaction impossible. In the event of a meltdown too much non-fissile material will get mixed in with the already low-concentration fissile material, and the reaction will eventually stop.
And before you ask, because I know you will, what happened at Chernobyl was not a nuclear explosion. It was a steam explosion cause by a pressure spike when the core started to melt at the bottom where the water inlet pipes were. That blocked the pipes and flash boiled the water in the core, and because the plant had been built without any containment structure, or pressure relief system, and all of the automatic safety systems were disabled, and the plant computer that told the operators to stop was ignored, and because the test parameters were not being followed, and because there was no battery system to keep the pumps going until the diesel generators could be brought online, the steam pressure inside the core popped the lid off the top and blew out the roof. With the core exposed the graphite was free to burn, and the smoke carried tiny flecks of fission products and uranium up into the air.
If all of that makes it seem like the commies didn't know how to design or operate a reactor - well, they didn't. But there was never any danger of a multi-megaton blast or any steam explosions happening after the core was open, because any steam produced would have only vented out through the open core. To get a steam explosion you need a closed container for the pressure to build up, otherwise it just vents to the open air and you get a geyser.
Attached is a diagram of a CANDU. You can see that it has multiple safety systems in the core, and all CANDU plants have multiple containment and accident mitigation systems that can operate automatically without power. In the capitalist west safety was more important than saving a buck.
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4bf8f2 No.681891
>>681865
I wasn't talking about a nuclear explosion. I was talking about the Chrnobyl scenario, only bigger. Lately, I hear this meme that had all of Chernobyl's reactors went into meltdown, it'd kill half of europe. So I thought, if that is true (and I heavily doubt that), why has nobody weaponised it yet?
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086e3d No.681896
>>681891
What would happen if the Koeberg NPP were to melt down right now?
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882e09 No.681910
>>681891
>I hear this meme that had all of Chernobyl's reactors went into meltdown, it'd kill half of europe.
There is no truth to that at all, it's just a bunch of panic-mongering from ill-informed fans of the HBO miniseries, anti-nuclear activists, and communist party officials who managed the cleanup trying to make themselves and their underlings look heroic. What you're describing would have just made the immediate region around the plant 4x more radioactive. Even badly designed plants do not make good weapons or good targets for terrorists who want to actually kill a lot of people.
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7ee3d8 No.681913
>>681865
hes saying
if a government wanted to could it rig its own nuvlear reactors as a suicide machine, scorched earth policy
answer is yes
same is also true for coal powered plants and oil wells, which would produce almost as much radioactives and far more horrible pollution.
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4e6c62 No.681927
black powder nukes have completely ruined warfare. Wars are meant to be fought by men, blood and guts covering the battlefield. Instead it's going to be a million faggots pissing nonstop so they have enough saltpeter to make a black powder nuke. What a shame.
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882e09 No.681952
>>681913
He asked if deliberate sabotage of a nuclear power reactor could fuck up a whole continent. The answer to that is no. While there would be enough material that if it were all dispersed from an open reactor it would be detectable by sensitive instruments even a few of miles away, no reactor actually has enough material in it to poison a whole continent. Scale is something that most people struggle with, especially with the size of the major geographic features and radiation. While Chernobyl was detectable in Finland and Germany and elsewhere, it didn't actually pose any risk to the people living there. It didn't even pose a serious risk to the people living in most of eastern Europe, only within about 300-500 km of the accident and only until the fire was out and the core was buried in sand. And that risk was for developing cancer later in life, not acute radiation poisoning. ARS only happened to the plant workers, firefighters, and liquidators.
Several medical studies have shown that in every major nuclear disaster, other than the two bombs dropped on Japan and the Kyshtym disaster, panic about radiation has caused more casualties than radiation itself. Fewer than 60 people died at Chernobyl, and only 4,000-10,000 either have or will die of cancer, almost all from thyroid cancer which is one of the most easily treated cancers there is with a 98% survival rate. The fact that that many people died from thyroid cancer is an indictment of the piss poor healthcare system in the Soviet republics.
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bcc2c9 No.681958
>make 5*10^7 tons of TNT
<wait
>actually, make 1*10^8 tons of black powder from your piss
>165 cubic meters of black powder
>the standard (20') shipping container is roughly 41m^3
>1 billion tons, the size of 4 shipping containers
>OP wants to launch this across the Atlantic Ocean
>with a fucking sugar rocket
>and detonate[sic] it with a fucking hillbilly nail-bullet impact charge
At a rough guess, judging by 1 website, the market value at that scale could be as low as $200/kg. The charge itself would cost $200 billion dollars. Let alone the retarded abomination of sugar and godless engineering required to propel the piece of shit across the ocean.
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991eb0 No.681961
>>681958
I swear I've fucked up here, because as retarded as 4 airborne shipping containers is, that doesn't seem like much for 1 billion tons of low atomic weight powder. Can a mathfag check that?
Kikepedia says the density of black powder is 1.65g/ml.
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e03e64 No.681998
Why bother when you can drive a truck into a crowd? If you feel like blowing up people then I guess target the public transportation is mid sized cities of the midwest to scare people who would have thought that they're invulnerable because they're not living in NYC.
Maybe blow up school buses, how you would get a bomb onto school buses if you're not a student is beyond me. I wouldn't be surprised if some non-whites blew up 5 school buses of a single school it would be quickly forgotten about because narrative.
>narrative.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2019/06/06/detroit-man-charged-triple-lgbtq-killings/1373342001/
https://nypost.com/2019/06/07/lesbian-couple-beaten-on-london-bus-after-refusing-to-kiss-for-men/
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https://www.vox.com/2019/2/17/18228444/jussie-smollett-attack-hate-crime-arrest-hoax-empire
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882e09 No.682002
>>681979
>nuclear power plants
>melt down all the reactors
>Those are plurals, you're focusing on a single reactor failure.
No I'm not. Even if all 4 reactors at Chernobyl failed in the same way simultaneously it would NOT have poisoned all of Europe. There just isn't enough material in those reactors to do what is being suggested.
>There's enough dangerous material in, for example, Russian nuclear reactors to cover the entire planet if they engineered the reactors into large squirt guns throwing the isotopes into the upper atmosphere. The jetstream would circulate it pretty evenly, and kill everyone but countries below the equator.
No, there really isn't. Remember that this material was extracted from the Earth. It's only dangerous when it's refined and concentrated. The more it spreads out, the less dangerous it becomes, until the increase in radiation is measured in microsieverts.
You're talking about a few thousand or tens of thousand tons of Uranium and products spread through over 2 billion cubic KILOMETERS of air. That's not enough material to have a significant health impact on anyone except those in the immediate vicinity around the (deliberately) compromised plants.
There are not now, nor have there ever been enough nuclear weapons to destroy more than 1/10 of this planet's surface. And there are not enough nuclear reactors in any one place or enough material in those reactors to poison an entire continent. You would just create exclusion zones, thousand square mile bubbles, of land that would be uninhabitable for a few decades to maybe a century depending on how fearful the population is.
It would be an environmental catastrophe of unprecedented proportions, but it would not be the end of the world. Remember that nuclear landmines were not supposed to stop Soviet advances in Europe, only slow them down until America could deploy a significant ground force.
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09169e No.682034
I like the fact that somewhere, some group of glow in the darks will have run OP's idea through their threat matrix despite how completely retarded it is.
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882e09 No.682073
>>682037
I know that. It still wouldn't make a difference. Continents are big areas. Even if you sabotaged every nuclear power plant in the world to go up like Unit 4 at Chernobyl, it still wouldn't be enough to kill any continent. There just isn't enough material in all of those plants put together to have that kind of impact. The material would spread out until the concentration is so low that it would be basically harmless except to persons very near the epicenters and people with pre-existing health problems that make them extra vulnerable.
I've included a map. Have a look-see at how there is a YUGE amount of uranium in the western states, Ohio, and the southern Atlantic states. There's more Uranium in the environment in the US alone than in all of the Nuclear power reactors all around the world. And yet, somehow, the entirety of the United States has not turned into a radioactive hellscape populated by rad roaches and super mutants. And it's not all buried deep underground either. If you go into the desert parts of Utah or California or Nevada with a Geiger counter and a geology textbook you will find uranium rocks just lying out in the open. There is uranium dust mixed in with the sand in some places. That's where it comes from, you find it in the environment. It's not produced in a lab, only chemically isolated.
Dose makes the poison. Even if every nuclear power plant in the world were cracked open and the juicy insides were dispersed in a jetstream, it still would not be enough to kill even one continent. Each dead reactor would get its own exclusion zone, but not much else would happen. There would not be a massive die off, and anyone who claims that there would be either doesn't understand how radiation works or where radioisotopes come from, or they're an anti-nuclear activist trying to gin up fear.
Let me be clear: even if you deliberately sabotaged every nuclear power plant in a country so that they all exploded like what happened at Chernobyl, it would NOT poison a whole continent. It would NOT be an effective means of mutually assured destruction. It would NOT stop an invading force. It would NOT kill millions unless those millions lived right next to a blown reactor and did not evacuate or take any precautions against exposure to radioactive material. Radiation is something to be respected, but not feared. Panic over radiation has caused more deaths and injuries than exposure to radiation. Just because you can detect a slight elevation in radiation relative to the normal background doesn't mean you're in any danger.
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eb3d43 No.682133
>>682073
The danger from NPP meltdowns isnt due to the U-238 in them, as you probably know. It's because of the fission products such as caesium which are both more radioactive as well as having higher bioavailability getting spread all over the place.
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882e09 No.682182
>>682133
And they're very short lived. Iodine-131 for example has a half-life of just 8 days. The more radioactive it is, the less time it will be dangerous to be around. And several of those products can be blocked from ingestion or inhalation by minimal masks and coverings, or by saturating an organ or tissue with an inert form of that particular substance.
NPP meltdowns are only dangerous if you're right next to one when it happens. Even a few dozen miles is enough to protect you from most ill effects.
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af154f No.682193
>>681641
you do realize that you can MAKE nitric acid from sulfur water and potassium nitrate right?? then you only need paint stripper to make tnt.
also RDX ?? where in the ever living fuck are you gonna get large quantity's of Hexamethylenetetramine Dinitrate ?
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882e09 No.682321
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>>682276
You have done nothing but move goalposts
>>681840
>Speaking of nukes, could nuclear power plants be used for a similar effect? Allegedly, if you melt down all the reactors, it should create enough of a stink to fuck up everyone's shit on the continent. So why not use it for MAD? "Nuke me and I'll crash this continent with no survivors"
Let me be perfectly clear: you could take every fuel rod out of every core in every reactor in a country, grind up their contents, put it on a Being 747 converted into an improvised crop duster of death, and use it to spread that shit over your entire country, and still only manage to kill the pilots and ground crew who handled that shit. Nuclear reactors don't contain enough material to kill people unless those people are poking around inside. If you spread that material around over a large area, the amount that any one person would be exposed to is so small that it would have basically zero health effects even long-term. This is why Las Vegas doesn't look like Fallout: New Vegas. There is enough radioactive material in the soil to kill a person, but only if they ate a few tons of that soil.
>It is piss easy to turn any reactor into a weapon let alone dozens of them
No, it really isn't. That material is only dangerous if it is very concentrated, and there isn't enough material to work with to make enough fallout to be dangerous over a large geographic area. https://youtu.be/y5dV3IuNWvU?t=1083
Also, nerve gas isn't that dangerous either. It really only kills if you're right next to the source or in a confined space like a train car or apartment building.
Bottom line: you can't turn nuclear power plants into weapons. Even if you blew up every single one in a country it wouldn't do shit except kill anyone poking around inside. Even if you took all of that material out, ground it up and spread it around with planes, all you would do is get a lot of angry phone calls from neighboring leaders demanding an apology. The only way, and I do mean the ONLY WAY to make a NPP into a weapon is either to pull the fuel rods to make a real nuke (which you can do, but it takes some chemistry and time), or remove the fuel rods and put it out in the open with half cylinder reflectors directing the majority of the radiation toward the enemy and place them along your border like radioactive hedgehogs but for infantry instead of tanks.
If you try to spread the material around to kill a lot of people you'll make it too dilute to actually kill anyone. Dose makes the poison.
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086e3d No.682331
>>682321
If nuclear reactors aren't good enough, what about strategic oil spills mixed in with radioactive material and/or chemical weapons?
Come to think of it, why haven't the US done something like that in the Strait of Hormuz?
>remove the fuel rods and put it out in the open with half cylinder reflectors directing the majority of the radiation toward the enemy and place them along your border like radioactive hedgehogs but for infantry instead of tanks.
Why not impale a few turks on the rods for good measure?
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100512 No.682339
>>682321
I fucking knew it had to be bullshit. The meme from the Chernobyl show is thus completely false, and meant for alarmism. Fucking kikes
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048c46 No.682346
>>682331
>why haven't the US done something like that in the Strait of Hormuz?
Because they love the Saudis
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953518 No.682353
>>681913
Friendly reminder that if the BOP fails on a rig, it'll blow out a firebomb the size of Hiroshima. We only drill to roughly 22,000 feet right now, but when we use up the 22,000 feet reserves, we'll start tapping into the 30,000+ feet reserves and then Deepwater Horizon will look like a joke when some fucking drill team fucks shit up hoping to go an extra 5 feet an hour of depth to get their bonus from Chesapeake or Shell or whoever.
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048c46 No.682364
>>682353
Reminder that most rig crews are getting replaced by inbred saudis, they keep liquidating themselves on high pressure pipes. It's only a matter of time
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882e09 No.682387
>>682373
>Nuclear reactors are good enough, this guy is just retarded.
Professors at my university in physics, chemistry, biology, mechanical engineering, and nuclear engineering disagree with you. That linked video was produced by Dr. Phil Mason, a chemist and physicist, and he disagrees with you. All of the experts versus an anonymous leaf that hasn't backed up his claims with anything.
I'm not saying you're wrong because you're a non-expert with an unsupported position, but you are more likely to be wrong because you're not trained in any relevant field and you have provided no evidence to support your claim.
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71e516 No.682401
>>682364
>Reminder that most rig crews are getting replaced by inbred saudis
I was told that you can't even work on offshore rigs any more unless you're the driller or toolpusher. They won't even hire Mexicans because Mexicans are too expensive, the rig crew is made up of random east Asians they can pay literal pennies.
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ad4b0b No.683113
>>681641
>Feasible
>50 Megaton yield using homemade black powder created from urine in mummies basement.
This is just top-tier b8, I salute you.
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7c5c48 No.683160
>>681961
>>681958
1.65 g/ml is 1.65 tons/m3
So that makes 60 million cubic meters (1km x 1 km x 60m for example) for 100 million tons.
Good luck moving that
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904574 No.683207
>>683121
>Chinese government skims 10% of GDP to run the state
>Western governments skim 18%-57% of GDP (depending on nation) to run governments, averaging around a third
Holy shit, is this true?
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35563a No.683254
>>683207
You must be pretty ignorant.
All supermarket and mom&pop stores have to charge you extra 21% (19% in Germany) here for personal sales and consumption. Put that on the already between at least 30%-45% taxes and (((insurance))) and you easily pass the 50% mark.
Thank you huwhite brothers of america and soviet unions for liberating us. Based huwhite (((capitalist))) (((democracy))).
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35563a No.683255
>>683254
Oh wait, it is (((social))) (((democracy))), or is it?
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2d66ce No.683361
>>683341
>I have to pay $140 for my air conditioning unit license every month
lol letting the government know you have an AC or six.
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