4271cd No.26774
Hello /islam/ I have a problem that I think only you could guys could stand a chance at helping me with.
First I want to say that I love and respect Islam the same way Adolf Hitler did. There are certain cultural practices that I don't approve of and I hate moderate Islam with its humanist egalitarian bent. However true Islam and its holy books I appreciate very much.
That said I don't identify as a muslim. If I have to identify myself I will say various different things at different times, usually pagan though. My identity is completely fluid really, it depends who I'm talking to. I know so much about the various religions that I can pass myself as whatever I want.
Now here is my problem. Every woman I ever meet is an anti-natalist and doesn't want to have children. They call themselves white nationalists, traditionalists, and whatever else but they ALWAYS never want to have any children. No matter what I try I can't convince them to even say "I might have children one day". No, they flat out want to sterilize themselves. There is something wrong with our women that they don't want to breed.
Now, I understand there will be those here offended that I want to breed within my own ethnic group. I'm Dutch and I only want to breed with Dutch. I might make exceptions for someone who comes from a neighboring country like Germany but that is it. Even other whites I won't breed with. Now with that aside…
What is the secret to making women become pro-natalist? What does /islam/ do right in this regard? How do I apply the Islamic wisdom in my life to convince a woman to not be barren and to actually have a ☻ing child?
If I have to convert to Islam I will do it. If I have to convert the women around me also to Islam I will do it (if I possibly can). I'm not sure what is more important to you Muslims, whether someone "converts" and says "I am a muslim" or whether they simply submit themselves to god, love god, and serve him. When it comes to Christians it seems their goal it to make people give lip service to the Church, the more people calling themselves Christians the better, doesn't seem to matter at all though to them if they are actually Christian. Me personally I would rather that people be holy and have the right ideas, regardless of outward appearances. Islam very obviously has the ideas at its core and if some kind of Islamic subversion of society happens where everything happens as by Sharia law but for propaganda purposes it calls itself anything but that would be fine. It would be like how we are literally ruled over by communists right now, who simply don't use the symbolism or the names of communism, so people who don't know any better don't freak out.
Please help me to make woman to have children. The birthrate where I am has collapsed completely. Even though the government is bribing people with huge amounts of money each month to have children, still, not a single white woman will do it. The cities are empty of children and the schools are literally shutting down or entirely populated by foreigners. There are classes where there is only one white child.
Please, save my people. Convert us to Islam if you want. We're dying out and our women refuse to breed. Many times now I have to burn bridges with women because they only want my wealth, or they want sex, or they want "love" but none of them are ever willing to have children. I am getting too old and many men like me are getting too old as well. Finding a woman of my ethnicity that actually wants to breed is like winning the lottery, it's practically impossible. All the women just think of having children in negative terms… "baby factory" and other such words they use. They hate the idea of being a mother. I don't know how to save them.
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af65b1 No.26776
ALL women want to have children.
Women are creatures who have a huge disconnect between their true desires and their espoused desires.
A woman says she loves "emotional men", then she sees her husband cry after losing his job and divorces him. A woman says she wants to be like a man and pretend to desire sex as much of a sex, then hates herself and is disgusted by herself after whoring herself out to the whole college.
A woman also says she never wants any kids, then she either realizes her biological clock is ticking, or has some event in her life that strikes a cord (like a long term friend who had kids), and suddenly she wants to ☻ out kids until menopause..
My point is: You're the ☻ing man, you take charge not her. Find the best woman in all other attributes (not taking into account anti-natalism, since according to you it's so frequent), marry her, and you will slowly talk her into having kids, maybe without even trying that hard.
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af65b1 No.26777
>>26776
I hadn't read your last paragraph the first time and assumed you weren't interested in "officially converting to Islam".
Of course it's infinitely preferable for you to convert to Islam, and it will inevitably bring you closer to Allah. And I don't see a problem in your preference for your ethnic group; I'm Algerian and I will only marry an Algerian woman from my ethnic group.
The best solution for you would be to convert to Islam and marry a convert Dutch woman (trust me there are a lot of them according to stats), because then you're sure that the woman isn't mentally ill with modernity and will accept having a child without you having to convince her; as a female convert, she will also undoubtedly have a true love for Allah in submission, and be better than even Muslim-born women. Really good women are rare, but they're a real treasure when you find one, and there happen to be a lot of them among converts because of the self selection (I'm sure it's the same for women who convert to Orthodox Christianity for example, or secular Russian women who become more Orthodox, but I'm afraid it's not true for Protestant or Catholic converts who are completely cucked, and unfortunately the Netherlands has no Orthodox, so your only choice is Islam).
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1b74d0 No.26778
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Islam gives certain rights to the husband and wife and places certain obligations on them as well. Life does come with an instruction manual, it’s called the Quran. When you implement the teachings of Islam in your life you get a spouse, never a girlfriend. When you implement the teachings in your household and fulfill eachother’s and eachother’s parents and other family’s God-given rights there is shared purpose, mutual respect, and tranquility in the household. When the household is spiritually united it creates an atmosphere that can be quite conducive to having children.
I was raised in the Anglican Church and have been muslim for more than a decade. I’m happily married to a young berber woman and we are expecting our second child. There’s nothing wrong with you desiring a bride of your own ethne, It’d be great if you should become muslim and marry a dutch revert girl. You could still be muslim and marry a christian dutch girl but she might chafe under the obligations and not appreciate her rights. But who knows.
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857eae No.26780
>>26778
Hello, can you share with me your story?
I'm from an Irish Catholic background, and you being Anglican I might relate more to your story than others.
I'm interested in converting but I'm not sure yet, I still have some doubts even though I do have a feeling in my heart that the Quran is from God and Muhammad was his prophet.
My problems are mainly about certain hadiths and stories, and what I think is immorality on the part of his companions. This made me consider Shia Islam, but I noticed they have some elements of polytheism similar to Catholicism. So I don't know what the middle ground is.
I never went to a mosque by the way and I live in Ireland not London or anything.
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1b74d0 No.26781
>There are classes where there is only one white child.
European colonizers running elementary schools tried to turn my father in law and his classmates into christians everyday for years.
Islam is undeniably the standard bearer of all Abrahamic religion. People that don’t (want to) understand that are in the atheist camp whether they perceive it or not. If you want to have a white Faithful Europe then you must vote with your heart and either accept Islam or become an ally. Because Europe is going to be a vivacious multiconfessional society with Muslims followed by Christians followed by Jews - now is the time to get in on the ground floor.
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1b74d0 No.26782
>>26780
>Hello, can you share with me your story?
>I'm from an Irish Catholic background, and you being Anglican I might relate more to your story than others.
Hi. Reversion stories are multifaceted and can be exhausting to explain. I’ve shared different facets of my story a few times on this board and am just not up for an indepth retelling atm. I was always skeptical of Saul. I saw most church evolved doctrines made no sense, then textual criticism blew everything out of the water. Long story short without Islam I wouldn’t have a spiritual connection to Jesus today because if Jesus really claimed to be some kind of god I would have been forced to reject him and if I was around back then, stone him. Alhamdulillah this is only a calumny against The Messiah Prophet Son of Mary! They are even too scared to say he preached this polytheism while he was alive, they say he concealed this until he died. Imagine if you weren’t raised christian and this wasnt normalized, or imagine if I said “hey, muhammad while he was living? Yeah, forget that, let me tell you about some visions and apparitions of him after he died - that’s where the religion is really at.”
>I'm interested in converting but I'm not sure yet, I still have some doubts even though I do have a feeling in my heart that the Quran is from God and Muhammad was his prophet.
>My problems are mainly about certain hadiths and stories, and what I think is immorality on the part of his companions.
Please raise your concerns in the qtddtot.
>This made me consider Shia Islam, but I noticed they have some elements of polytheism similar to Catholicism. So I don't know what the middle ground is.
Middleground is Quran and Sunnah.
https://youtu.be/KYQTVaARksE
https://youtu.be/q7N44EyLOA4
>I never went to a mosque by the way and I live in Ireland not London or anything.
Go to your local mosque and ask them questions about your concerns. You have sincere concerns, no one will be offended we would love to answer your questions.
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1b74d0 No.26784
>>26780
Also about ethics, as serious theists we subscribe to divine command theory.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_command_theory
Judging God and His Prophets can only be done with a morality other than that which they shared with us. That means we are rejecting the best of morals and judging our Creator and prophets with inferior constantly morphing manmade constructs. As if we know better than God and His messenger.
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052e84 No.26785
>>26774
Women want to have children with guys of good stock, good personality and genetics. If you're autistic, bad tempered, too short, too ugly they won't be too excited about making similar deformed children.
Every woman I dated wanted to have children either asap or in the near future. But I've only dated asian/chinese girls and one iranian bahai girl.
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9a451a No.26796
I recommend you convert to Islam and marry a dutch convert. We are not christians who just want lip service and numbers, we want genuine believers who will carry the religion. So learn about islam by meeting with your local masjid and with the resources on this board inshaAllah.
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b894ba No.26807
>>26774
>I love and respect Islam the same way Adolf Hitler did
So, not at all.
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daa300 No.26832
>>26774
>What is the secret to making women become pro-natalist? What does /islam/ do right in this regard?
I think it boils to down to stressing the importance of traditional family values which includes the natural desire to have children and raise them well and strong. I think where Christianity has failed in that regard is being weak enough to have been subverted easily with stuff like feminism and boomer-tier individualism.
>I want to breed within my own ethnic group
Why should anyone be offended by something like that? Its ultimately your opinion and others shouldn't judge. I cant get into the specifics of hadith because I'm not very studied in that but in the Quran I remember something about how if you want to marry a woman from another tribe or people you have to perform some extra measures compared to marrying within your tribe.
>>26807
>So, not at all.
Not true. I was raised a muslim but I can see why people who weren't and live in lib countries in jewrope or the us (like OP, or Hitler) would admire the strict social structure Islam comes with, nothing wrong with that, although of course there's much more to Islam than just that.
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b894ba No.26833
>>26832
Hitler was a fan of Arabic society, but Arabs comprise less than 15% of the world's Muslims. The Nazis spent a lot of time conquering Muslim lands in Northern Africa, slaughtering Muslims.
You don't show respect for people by conquering them.
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b894ba No.26834
>>26774
Nationalism is incompatible with Islam.
" …People should give up their pride in nations because this is a coal from the coals of hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than a lowly worm which pushes itself through khur (feces)." [abu Dawd and Tirmidhi].
the Messenger of Allah (saw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud, "There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories. Man is but an Allah-fearing believer or an unfortunate sinner. All people are the children of Adam, and Adam was created out of dust."
"And be not as those who divided and differed among themselves after the clear proofs had come to them. It is they for whom there is an awful torment." Q.6:159
"And verily this Ummah of yours IS A SINGLE UMMAH and I am your Lord and Cherisher: Therefore Fear Me (and no other)." Q.23:53
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fe06b6 No.26841
>>26834
If your nation rules by shariah, including the qisas and other hudud though then you can. certainly justify some nationalistic feeling. But the legitimacy to the state is from Deenullah, not the other way around.
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166f0f No.26842
>>26833
>muh ebil raycist nazis
If you're referring to the Italians which the Nazis supported then you're right, but I don't see why you should fault the Germans so much for allying with one of the few powers in the world that would support them, just because they had colonial ambitions. Otherwise you're grossly wrong. The Nazis would fight Muslim colonial subjects of the Allies that had been forced or conned into fighting against them, including in North Africa, the Middle East, and Southern Asia, but thats the fault of the Allies not the Germans who had to defend themselves. In fact the Nazis would commonly support Muslims, regardless of race, in their attempts at liberation. Here it says Hitler mentioned the Berbers along with the Arabs when talking about what he admired about Islam, and if you've ever been to non-Arab Muslim countries you'll know they have strict social structures too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relations_between_Nazi_Germany_and_the_Arab_world
Just because the Nazis were racist doesn't mean you should automatically fault them for everything they did.
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af65b1 No.26845
>>26842
> Here it says Hitler mentioned the Berbers along with the Arabs when talking about what he admired about Islam
Yeah, because he thought us Berbers were Aryan despite us being Afro-Asiatic and having nothing to do with Europe outside of al-Andalus.
Hitler's self-proclaimed views about such subjects were always for the sake of expediency in their essence, like his views on Slavs or his views on Persians. If there was a notable Berber presence in Germany, he would have proclaimed us the Semitest Semites, even more depraved and Semitic than Jews.
Anyway, if you truly believe Hitler was a fan of Islam, you should read about the dark occultic influence in the Nazi movement to see how wrong you are.
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b894ba No.26846
>>26842
I repeat: Nationalism is incompatible with Islam. I have brought my proof from Qur'an and the Sunnah.
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fe06b6 No.26848
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af65b1 No.26849
>>26846
You're completely right.
But tribes/ethnic groups aren't nations. Again, there is nothing wrong with OP wanting to marry a Dutch/German girl. There are a ton of good reasons why you would prefer to marry ingroup (pol reasons not being part of the good reasons of course).
Besides, if you truly want the ideals of Islam to spread in the Netherlands, don't you think that fully Dutch children with Dutch surnames will have it easier imprinting those ideas on society than outgroups from North Africa and the Middle East? A half-Moroccan half-Dutch will always be considered to be Moroccan by natives if he starts talking about Islam (and hence will be taken less seriously and dismissed as outgroup), no matter how European he looks in his face, that's why it's bad if all converts marry into Muslim immigrant groups.
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a2de19 No.26851
>>26849
This is some advanced dawah thinking, I like it.
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fe06b6 No.26852
>>26849
>that's why it's bad if all converts marry into Muslim immigrant groups.
Nah, that’s why it’s bad if all converts only take one wife. When you revert one of the best things you can do is marry into a muslim family. In an instant half of your family is now muslim, you’ve gone from being the only muslim in your family to having hundreds of muslim relatives.
And I’m not a fan of striking up conversations about religion anyway. That will always make people defensive no matter what your religion is. It’s better for us and the dawa to just implement Islam in our lives. A dawah booth is great too but only if the people walk over to you, not haranguing passersby.
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fe06b6 No.26857
>>26845
Well and being part of the ancient Roman Empire. And then centuries of Colonialism. Btw if Roman Empire was reconstituted today it would be majority Muslim.
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fe06b6 No.26858
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4271cd No.27266
>>26776
>ALL women want to have children.
Explain conversation related I had with a German woman.
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4271cd No.27267
>>26777
I think going to a mosque and seeing if there's any Dutch women who've converted to Islam might be a good idea and if I can find a woman like that it would be enough for me to convert officially. I already have Allah/God's message in my heart but right now making it official seems pointless if it means I end up in a situation where the only Muslim women are Arabs or something.
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4271cd No.27268
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4271cd No.27269
>>26781
What about the elements of Islam that are humanist, egalitarian, pacifist, sexually deviant, prone to racemixing, etc.?
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2d4f18 No.27270
>>27267
Doesn't work like that. First of all, mosques aren't co-ed. Second, no Muslim women are going to have anything to do with you.
>>27269
What about what? There's no sexual deviance in Islam and "race mixing" is a non-issue since we are all one nation.
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0a3b5c No.27271
>>27267
>>27269
We only tolerate a bit of poltardation here and always call it out. We’re not /christian/ who turned their board into /pol/ jr for the sake of appealing to “recovering polacks.” If you trespass into the woman’s area of a mosque you will be detained.
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0a3b5c No.27272
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4271cd No.27273
>>27270
> and "race mixing" is a non-issue since we are all one nation.
…and that's why I'm not going to convert to Islam then. Islam might be 99% right about everything but you are wrong to let the races of this Earth destroy each other through mixing. What attracts me to Islam is the anti-pacifism, the correctness of their views on god, the strong traditional values… but when you guys let the humanist egalitarian "we are all equal" and "tolerate homosexuals" blight in then I'm done. Islam has to be strong enough to defend itself against degeneracy and there's clearly a lot of Muslims who can't do this.
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4271cd No.27275
>>27271
I have been treated way better by the board owner of /islam/ in the past even though I spammed the ☻ out of your board. Meanwhile /christian/ has banned me both when I've been raiding their board and when I have been trying to post a regular board. I hate /christian/ and and can't last more than an hour there without getting banned, while here I ironically feel more welcome and see Muslims being more open to discussion.
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4271cd No.27276
trying to post as a regular user of the board*
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4271cd No.27277
>>27270
>>27271
I've talked with Arab Muslim women before and they love me. I refuse to mix with them though because I am not Arab. I get along fine with Muslims. Also I know to go to the father / a man and ask them if they have someone for me. Why you'd think I would go to some mosque and go into an area of it that is for women I don't understand. I can find out if there are Dutch women at the mosque without having to actually talk directly to any women there at all you know.
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b894ba No.27278
>>27273
It has nothing to do with us. If you see race-mixing as bad, so be it. Nobody is going to force you to race-mix. However, we also don't go around declaring haram that which God has declared halal. What you see as "degenerate", we see as a non-issue because God made it a non-issue.
If you don't want to marry outside your race, don't. But you're not allowed to tell other people not to.
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a2de19 No.27280
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0a3b5c No.27285
>>27277
It seems like you are adopting a very standoffish position for no reason. Most muslims are married to people of the same ethnicity. That’s fine.
Some people on /islam/ have multicultural marriages, others have monocultural marriages. Multicultural marriage is not something new to Islamic society, it’s actually been widely practiced for 1439 years and has resulted in the development of new cultures and ethnic groups. Cultures and ethnes are in perpetual flux - going back enough you have ancestors that couldn’t understand if you tried to speak to them in Dutch and they couldn’t conceive of “Holland.”
>but when you guys let the humanist egalitarian "we are all equal"
No, we are not all equal before God. But the matter is not race, see pic related.
>and "tolerate homosexuals" blight in then I'm done.
Show me one muslim country that allows gay marriage. We’re only responsible for muslim countries, we’re not responsible for the moral fabric of societies when we are a (sometimes hated and feared) minority.
>Islam has to be strong enough to defend itself against degeneracy and there's clearly a lot of Muslims who can't do this.
Islam IS strong enough by the promise of Allah. Clearly a lot of Muslims are not properly practicing. That’s why no one converts to Muslims they convert to Islam.
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