/islam/ - 8kun Masjid

Since the video in the OP is about Israeli converts I'll just post this here instead of making a separate thread:

I'm an "Israeli" Jew of Moroccan ancestry, but born in the United States. I lived in Israel for some time and served in the IDF. At that time I became very interested in the work of Rene Guenon and through him heard about Seraphim Rose which got me interested in Orthodox Christianity. I started to go to the Church of the Sepulchre in Jerusalem and meeting with a bishop. I continued going to church (Russian Orthodox) when I returned to the United States. Ultimately, I found Christianity unconvincing and gave up on it. Eventually I encountered the Quran and my whole inner world has been transformed. It's the most remarkable book I have ever encountered, one that speaks directly to your soul. It's been a long process of educating myself on Islam, and it is an ongoing process, but inwardly I am already a Muslim (in the sense that I acknowledge the truth of the Shahada). I'm very anxious, however, about the consequences from both ends. When/if my family finds out about me accepting Islam I expect their reaction will be extreme. I love mu family, and want to stay close to then regardless of their religious affiliation (and they are mostly secular), but I am certain that they are the ones who will reject me if I don't subscribe to their conformist secularism. They are not very intellectual or educated so I will never be able to justify my decision on such grounds, and they're mainly informed by MSM propaganda. On the other end, I'm worried that other Muslims will dislike me because of my previous service in the IDF, and (perhaps this will sound ridiculous) they might think I'm a "plant" like from Mossad or something. Does anyone have advice on dealing with this dilemma? I feel like I should be open from the beginning about my past (IDF, living in Israel etc), but perhaps that will be impractical. On the other hand, once I convert is it acceptable to conceal this from family? In any case, the process of educating myself on Islam is still ongoing, and I'm not yet ready for an official conversion. Thanks for any advice.

>>26853

>On the other end, I'm worried that other Muslims will dislike me because of my previous service in the IDF, and (perhaps this will sound ridiculous) they might think I'm a "plant" like from Mossad or something.

They’d only think that if you go around encouraging muslims to commit illegal violent acts like some entrapment agent. Otherwise all muslims will be overjoyed and thankful to Allah for your guidance.

>Does anyone have advice on dealing with this dilemma? I feel like I should be open from the beginning about my past (IDF, living in Israel etc), but perhaps that will be impractical. On the other hand, once I convert is it acceptable to conceal this from family? In any case, the process of educating myself on Islam is still ongoing, and I'm not yet ready for an official conversion. Thanks for any advice.

Your family is sephardi or mizrahi? Today your family is mostly where? You still have some family in North Africa? Does your family already know about your acceptance of Jesus pbuh as the Messiah? If so how did they respond? Are you self sufficient, single, and mobile? Or are you still somewhat dependent on your family?

This is a very beautiful story because you have gained two prophets (pbut). Jesus pbuh being a prophet we all love but we acknowledge he came exclusively for bani Israil and Muhammad pbuh for all mankind.

Have you read The Road to Mecca?

>>26855

Parts of it. I'm very philosophically minded so I grew a little bored when I realized it was almost totally narrative. Should I have I stuck out till the end? I might go back and revisit it.

>>26854

>They’d only think that if you go around encouraging muslims to commit illegal violent acts like some entrapment agent. Otherwise all muslims will be overjoyed and thankful to Allah for your guidance.

Ok, thanks.

>Your family is sephardi or mizrahi?

Proud Sefardi heritage. I long very badly to see Morocco, but I've never been there.

>Today your family is mostly where?

US and Israel

>You still have some family in North Africa?

Not that I know of.

>Does your family already know about your acceptance of Jesus pbuh as the Messiah?

No, I kept that a secret.

>Are you self sufficient, single, and mobile? Or are you still somewhat dependent on your family?

The latter.

>>26856

>>26856

Ive read extracted portions, not cover to cover. I want to.

Hide things from your family until you are independent. But you can still implement things like not drinking, respecting them, etc.

Israel has engaged in criminality against Muslims but so has the US, India, UK, Russia, etc. We don’t hold that against the millions of muslims in those countries. And we shouldnt hold it against muslims that find themselves within Israeli borders by providence of Allah.

Do you think you could better practice Islam in Israel or the US? There are definitely better options since Muslims face very real obstacles in both those countries - but it seems like your options are limited at present.

Stay strong and come back to the Maghreb - at least to study Islam, vacation, and retire. Make a throwaway email and I’ll send you an email. My wife’s family can find you a great muslim wife when you’re ready.

>>26853

I'm glad you at least were attracted to Orthodox Christianity and not those ☻ty evangelical Messianics who target Jews, you could have been brainwashed for good.

In any case, read and study your fathers' religion as well brother, you might be surprised to know that there are many (by many, I don't mean a majority, far from it, but enough that it's noticeable) Rabbis and scholars who believe that Muhammad(as) wasn't a "meshugah" (like Rambam thought, and unlike what his son Avraham thought by the way), but that he was a prophet from God meant to spread the Noahide religion to the nations (which he did. Islam is the only religion in the world aside from Judaism that adheres to all the seven laws of Noah.). Jews were given more commandments from God than other nations, and when they start breaking them is when the nations brutally retaliate in pogroms and whatnot; all of this is already described in the Torah, it's nothing new.

There are no contradictions between Islam and Judaism. If you believe a conversion to Islam will illicit a severe reaction from your family, and you're afraid of not being accepted by outsiders as a convert either (the last one is mostly incorrect, there are many Jewish converts to Islam, but yes they might be seen with suspicion some times), then my personal advice to you is that you should become ultra-Orthodox Jew (whatever branch that appeals to you. but i would advise against chabad lubavitch and similar semi-cults), fulfill the mitzvah of learning torah as much as you can, and do kiruv to your family to bring them closer to God/observance (you unfortunately can't bring them to Islam since they're so strongly against it); and from there, work from inside Judaism to bring better closer relations with Islam.

The reason I'm suggesting this instead of conversion to Islam, is that you don't seem to be independent and self-sufficient, you seem to love your family (as we all do) and it would be a shame to cut all relationships, and you seem to not have anywhere to go or any plan to apply after a conversion. Judaism is more complex than you think, study Torah and bring the positive change you want to see to the world, there is really no contradiction between Judaism and Islam (belief in the prophethood of Muhammad(as) is a must for Islam obviously, but it's an opinion in Judaism, many believe he was a prophet).

As for the people who will reply to me with something about Tahreef and corruption of the Torah; you should study the subject more, and know that the earliest exegeses/tafaseer all understood tahreef to be malicious-misinterpretation of text in the case of the Jews, not corruption of the text. Jews take the textual integrity of the Torah as seriously as us, and if a single letter is wrong in a Sefer Torah, the whole scroll must be thrown away by law. There is no comparison between the Tanakh and the Gospels of the Christians, Jews aren't Roman/Greek Pagans.

I admit it’s newfangled and tiny but “Ancient Judaism” is basically for Jews that want to bring back the real law of Moses. Much more similar to Islam than Orthodox.

http://ancientjudaism.homestead.com/ancientjudaism-polygamy.html

But perhaps you should consider studying to be a Rabbi in the meantime as it would placate your parents and be useful when you make a clean break for Islam. But dont do that if you’d be dependent on them longer as a result. You need to leave that nest ASAP.

>>26862

Website was online yesterday, it's down today.

>>26861

Are you jewish?

>>26866

No, Muslim.

>>26868

Then what are you doing advising people to be jewish instead of muslim? Islam is the only religion acceptable in our eyes. Jews have arguably been condemned harsher than christians in the Quran.

I’ll just leave this here:

http://jews-for-allah.org

Im finally donating to them tonight. That site is GOLD.

>>26865

Some key articles from the site are preserved here:

http://www.thephora.net/forum/showthread.php?t=101930&styleid=16

>>26861

I embraced Orthodox Judaism at one point in the past, but I cannot accept it now for a few reasons:

1. They reject the Messiahship of Isa. I have a profound respect for Christianity, even if I disagree with them theologically. I'm very bothered when anyone unfairly smears them.

2. The Quran has profoundly impacted me. It's as though God himself is showing me the way to worship Him (in a manner of speaking). What am I supposed to do? Tell him "Nah, I think I'll try Judaism instead. Thanks for the suggestion, God"?

And by the way, when I embraced Orthodox Judaism my family very strongly opposed it (VERY STRONGLY, it was almost a traumatic experience for me, but I persevered and only ended up leaving when I decided to for my own reasons). Orthodox Judaism is so legalistic and restrictive that it basically segregates you from anyone that isn't also Orthodox. Islam wouldn't stop me from associating with family on my end (at least not according to my current understanding of Islam, but I still have a lot to learn), but it might cause them to reject me on theirs, which is what is sad about this situation. In fact, it almost certainly will cause them to reject me, but only God knows if this is really so.

I said that I don't want to break off from my family, and I meant it, but I also have a conscience. If I believe something is the Truth, I can't just turn away from it because it would be inconvenient. Believe me, I have spent nights restlessly tossing and turning, praying to God that any religion but Islam would be the Truth, for Him to show me what I see in Islam in my own religion, but the Quran is incomparable. How could I reject it? I feel like God bringing me to Islam is a great mercy, and one that I in no way deserve. I still have a lot of studying to do before I make an official conversion.

I've studied in Yeshiva, and I'm currently, in fact, reading Guide for the Perplexed. It's an excellent book. I will never lose my intellectual interest in other religions, and I think they all (well, many, not all) originate from God, but in Islam I see an incomparable purity that you can find no where else. I came to Islam through Guenon so I can definitely appreciate other religions.

>>26859

>Do you think you could better practice Islam in Israel or the US?

I live in the US at present, and I don't intend to go back to Israel.

>Stay strong and come back to the Maghreb

Insha'Allah. Only God knows what's in store for me.

>Make a throwaway email

Zxjxjdjdxxxxxxxxxjsjs - Isaac Alfasi is a pseudonym, not my actual name. I feel quite uncomfortable sharing an email (even one I just made) with a stranger online, but I'll put some trust in you.

>My wife’s family can find you a great muslim wife when you’re ready.

lol, very kind. I'm no where near ready.

>>26869

Because he's a degenerate.

>>26879

>Post last edited at 03/08/18 (Thu) 22:56:27

mod detected?

>>26933

>>26933

He’s not a mod. I removed his email.