/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

>>21915

No not all take it literally.

Taking something metaphorically is not the same as taking it literally.

There is nothing like God so he can't have literal hands and sit on a throne literally otherwise he is comparable to persons. Whether they are human hands or non-human hands doesn't make a difference hands make him comparable, like a created thing.

>>21921

I'm going to assume you're a Christian since you won't be able to find or formulate an Islamic argument on this topic against the ijma of Ahlus Sunnah - unless you are prepared to translate some texts from the 8th century.

>>21921

>No not all take it literally.

So far the only people tossing around the word "literal" are you and a wiki article. Ahlus Sunnah is not literalist, we are realist. We believe in Allah swt and His self-described attributes.

This is the definition of literalism: "taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory."

This is exactly what Christians do when they use God's attributes in the Old Testament in a banal, literal sense to support their preconceived notion that Jesus is Allah. That is literalism. Ahlus Sunnah does not engage in literalism nor dismissal of Allah's attributes.

While Allah attributes hands for Himself it must be emphasized that it is literally impossible for humans to conceive of them. So they are real hands that we can't conceive of. They are definitely not like anything human or any other form of creation. Allah holds our souls in His hand. Allah sees all with his eyes. Allah is all powerful, Allah is all hearing. Allah speaks. Allah created us with very limited faculties - in his image - so that we can better understand the power and majesty of Allah.

>Taking something metaphorically is not the same as taking it literally.

When I say Allah has a throne and two hands I am simply saying what Allah attributes to himself. The sahaba (ra) and their predecessors left the attributes of Allah alone as they had been reported. If we stick to the way that Allah describes himself without explanation/speculation we will always be safe from tajsim (anthropomorphism).

In the Quran Allah says He has a throne. Allah also says that throne encompasses the heavens and the earth. So how is that comparable to a throne for a human? It obviously isn't. But at the same time it is not only a metaphor.

We dare not liken Allah to His creation but neither do we dare deny His specific attributes - although they are unfathomable to us.

>>21921

We know he has hands but we don't know how are these hands. we know he sits on a throne but we don't know how does he sit on a throne or how is this throne. We just say he does and nothing more.

Abu Khadeejah is a madkhali and usually to be avoided and/or taken with caution, but he has good aqeedah

SUFI SHEIKH: ALLAH LITERALLY HAS HANDS

SUFI SHEIKH: ALLAH HAS TWO RIGHT HANDS

SALAFI SHEIKH: ALLAH LITERALLY HAS A HAND

SALAFI SHEIKH: ALLAH HAS TWO RIGHT HANDS

>>21948

the hand analogy is interesting because two hands would have to be distinct yet part of God somehow.

Can't remember where I read it but some Christian saints described "the Son" and the "holy spirit" as God's hands, the mediums he uses to work with the world and interact with it. They are distinct from him yet still him. Makes you think.

>>21949

because sufis are known for their generous and symbolic interpretations.

>>22010

Allah's hands can enter creation but Allah can't. Makes confusing sense.

>>22010

>>22021

>shirk

??

There is only One Allah and he transcends the world, and then there are his two eternal Hands which enter Creation and manipulate it, and these three are One.

>>22044

>and then

Are you funposting?

>>22045

>and then

Not temporal distinction but a logical distinction, since all are eternal.

>>21944

Anthropromoroprporprorprorpmorphists.

Having a literal hand contradicts tawhid

>>22073

deviant

>>22021

>Christian shirk

Ahlul kalaam are atheists.

The Quran is divided into two parts, the Muhkam (plain and clear) verses and Mutassyabih (allegorical) verses. The Muhkam part is always about the Sharia (solah, sawm, hajj, etc), while the Mutassyabih is always about divine wisdom (yusuf's biography, two gardens, khidr, etc).

If we do not and cannot know something which Allah had described (such as Allah's exalted Self), then we say Allah knows best.

In the end, Allah created everything in existence; including time and space. That means Allah is beyond the constraints of both time and space. We can't even imagine ourselves existing outside the space-time continuum, let alone Allah. And Allah is above all limits and constraints.

This is why Allah says that nothing can be compared to him in any way.

>>22080

The problem is when we either confirm or deny the sifat of Allah, in my opinion anyone who denies them is denying Allah and is a deviant or kaffir who is doing bida'ah.

What are your thoughts on it.