/hypno/ - Hypnochan

Simply put, they enjoy it, and haven't found a reason to stop, for them personally.

You have to remember, that while alot of people have their own values and ideals, and ideas of a life path that is valuable and profound to them, it just may not mean that to how many other individuals.

When it comes to matters of personal choice, I let people make their own. No use judging people for choices that only affect them. That's freedom.

Short version, I like it and it doesn’t negatively effect my life in any way

Long version I started on it like 15-16 years ago and I don’t even cum this hard during actual sex, or anything close. If you can find a safer and easier way to have a mind-rending body-shaking orgasm, let me know.

>>64764

My guess is low self-esteem. They think they are failures and think their personalities and identities suck, so why not be a girl or destroy your mind whichever way you can? The thought of your sense of self being altered, changing your taste in interests, or gaining habits that you didn't have before are things I find to be existentially terrifying. Ever since I realized this, I committed less and less time to listening to hypno until I've stopped. What daimons are you letting inside your head?

>>64764

I don't though, I just jack off to sexy voices and nothing else comes of it.

>>64764

it's just another porn niche

it also makes crossdressing sessions a lot funnier

Although I still prefer games like Secretary, Perverted Education and CoC. Listening to hypno files is fun but there's not that much value in this fetish. And there's the risk of actually fucking up your brain.

The orgasm at the end of a long TF game / hypno session is spectacular, that's why so many people come back to experience it once again.

>>64764

>putting in the work and consciously working stuff out/seducing/bringing-to-orgasm via the good ol' lucid consciousness you were born with eh?

You clearly don't know shit about hypnosis. It expands not contracts.

It goes deeper into rather than staying on the surface.

I use more of my brain in a couple hours of intense hypno than you do all day grinding behind a desk. More areas of my brain to boot.

I get more rest from an hour of relaxing hypnosis than i do from a nights rest or a long massage.

Since starting hypnosis i've become more aware of the "hypnosis" and "triggers" in every day life.

I've become more conscious of my body to the point i can tell you exactly what ingredient is upsetting my stomach in a meal because there's just a little too much of it.

I've been able to organize my thoughts much better so i'm not snapping at people unproductively with nonsense that isn't even related to why i'm upset.

I've started noticing that most times i get agitated it's because of my diet that day, or lack of rest or disordered thoughts.

Music has also gotten 1000x better. To the point that "Eargasm" is a literal thing, especially sergi rachmaninoffs concerto no.2

I'm able to consciously relax tension that build up in my body, find the exact source of pain and will it away.

I've started drinking loads more water, breathing better, eating much healthier and expressing my(natural in everybody) self-destructive tenancies in a safe way so that they don't ambush me randomly throughout the day.

In general, i'm more in harmony with my conscious thoughts,, my body and my subconscious. I can recognize and asses my emotions as they come, instead of feeling helpless under their power i see that they are transient and inconsequential unless i choose otherwise. I acknowledge them for what they are, proto-thoughts. The very first thinking ever done by primordial life was just feelings. E.g "that feels bad, retreat" or "that feels good, consume"

I stopped desiring drugs(i never took much drugs but always wanted to try loads for both self-destructive and exploratory reasons"

>TL;DR Stop your tinfoil "hypnotizing the masses" conspiracy bullshit when you don't even have a clue what you're talking about. Literally no-one can make you feel something or do something you don't want to do in the first place. It's just that most things require at least two reasons to make it worthwhile doing and hypnosis is just one more reason, one more excuse. But do goon, tell me about "degeneracy" and "the liberal agenda" and "the public brainwashing cabal"

Read a fucking history book, no-one has stayed in power long enough for lizard people to remain in charge even if they existed outside of your fantasies.

Unlike you i don't impose my fantasies on reality. I keep them all in my mind like a dream and process them properly before allowing them out into the world. I separate them into true desires and mild curiosities. I filter out the truly harmful from the harmlessly playful.

End of rant.

>>64796

"I get more rest from an hour of relaxing hypnosis than i do from a nights rest or a long massage."

Good luck functioning on no sleep and one hour of hypnosis a day and not going bonkers within a week fren

>>64764

Because it's interesting, pleasurable and intense. If you ignore these things you're not going to be creative.

And you usually don't seek sexual fantasies that mirror your vanilla life. Low income, low status men tend to prefer maledom.

>>64806

>ood luck functioning on no sleep and one hour of hypnosis a day and not going bonkers within a week fren

Why would you jump to that conclusion? I don't do that. I sleep as much as the next person but it's just rest. Hypnosis can be rejuvenating like a shower or exhausting depending on the file.

Hell i've even had some pretty intense full body exercises from hypnosis.

>>64820

>Low income

Speak for yourself

>,low status

What does that even mean? Not a politician? Not a fireman or policeman? A doctor or a lawyer?

Ime it's the opposite, people tend to seek careers and status based on internal fantasy. Judges seek authority, police seek power etc. and it usually comes out that way in bed. Then again, hypnosis is a private thing for the most part so maybe you're right and it comes out that way.

>>64821

I was being facetious. But I know a lot of people make the point of hypnosis is more restful than sleep or equivalent to X/Y/Z hours of sleep, which I've always found bonkers.

It's definitely true that you come out of hypnosis feeling rested and refreshed but hypnosis and sleep are different things and fulfill different functions.

/pedantry

>>64796

Exactly how I feel. I am way more concies about my body, I perceive nuances in other people, especially the manipulative words, behaviour

>>64771

Sure low selfesteem…

>>64820

Sure low income…

I think I am just a kinky fuck, but not stupid, and I am successful and reliable in other parts of life, why not have some controlled fun.

>>64821

>What does that even mean?

Obviously he means higher in a given hierarchy, not divided by professions…

>>64764

It's a form of BDSM. Just recreation. No one is being mind controlled here. It's just fantasy. Nut-picking on strange boards can make every community seem degenerate.

But yes, wouldn't bet some mental disorder isn't going on with the sissies or people like some strangely aggressive low IQ morons in this thread who make way too much out of it.

>not training your mind to increase your control over it.

who is really on the jew shit?

>>64823

>hypnosis and sleep are different things and fulfill different functions.

We don't actually know what sleep is for, for certain.

There are various theories, processing irrelevant information out, predicting the future, resetting the brain. Etc.

TBH i think it's a mix of all this stuff. For dreaming in particular i think it's like a test fire to regulate feelings. Like when you get a nightmare that gives you more fear than you've ever felt or when you fall in love with someone from a dream. I think it's just you're brain testing what amounts of chemicals/hormones are appropriate and making sure nothing is misfiring.

As for sleep proper(the shutting down of various brain parts)… it happens throughout the day. Not engaging a part of your brain is technically sleep for that part of the brain. Hence stuff like the glasgow coma scale. It's a measurement of how awake(or inversely how asleep) you are.

There are people who don't actually sleep normally and you can live on 1 minute of sleep every few weeks. It'll fuck you up no doubt but it's doable.

Just being hyperfocused puts various parts of your brain to rest.

>TL;DR i agree they perform different functions but they are, in essence, the same thing. Depending on the file of course.

>>64796

> You clearly don't know shit about hypnosis. It expands not contracts.

> It goes deeper into rather than staying on the surface.

> I use more of my brain in a couple hours of intense hypno than you do all day grinding behind a desk. More areas of my brain to boot.

> I get more rest from an hour of relaxing hypnosis than i do from a nights rest or a long massage.

> Since starting hypnosis i've become more aware of the "hypnosis" and "triggers" in every day life.

> I've become more conscious of my body to the point i can tell you exactly what ingredient is upsetting my stomach in a meal because there's just a little too much of it.

> I've been able to organize my thoughts much better so i'm not snapping at people unproductively with nonsense that isn't even related to why i'm upset.

> I've started noticing that most times i get agitated it's because of my diet that day, or lack of rest or disordered thoughts.

> Music has also gotten 1000x better. To the point that "Eargasm" is a literal thing, especially sergi rachmaninoffs concerto no.2

> I'm able to consciously relax tension that build up in my body, find the exact source of pain and will it away.

> I've started drinking loads more water, breathing better, eating much healthier and expressing my(natural in everybody) self-destructive tenancies in a safe way so that they don't ambush me randomly throughout the day.

> In general, i'm more in harmony with my conscious thoughts,, my body and my subconscious. I can recognize and asses my emotions as they come, instead of feeling helpless under their power i see that they are transient and inconsequential unless i choose otherwise. I acknowledge them for what they are, proto-thoughts. The very first thinking ever done by primordial life was just feelings. E.g "that feels bad, retreat" or "that feels good, consume"

> I stopped desiring drugs(i never took much drugs but always wanted to try loads for both self-destructive and exploratory reasons"

Can you tell us which hypnosis you've been listening to?

>>64821

> Hypnosis can be rejuvenating like a shower or exhausting depending on the file.

Both sound like fun. Examples?

> Hell i've even had some pretty intense full body exercises from hypnosis.

Also interesting. Which file?

>>64948

>Can you tell us which hypnosis you've been listening to?

All of them tbh. I try everything. I usually focus on one hypnotist for a couple of weeks then move on. I started with N|kk|(almost a decade ago now) but most recently i've been listening to sam. My all time favourite is elle though.

>Both sound like fun. Examples?

For rejuvenating files, 4M37hy57 did a cell regrowth file that does the trick.

Generally speaking, any "meditation" files or any file that just takes me down and back up under 40 minutes without "doing" else will do it for me.

As for exhausting files? Paint it black is most effective for me but literally any file that's long enough or tries to put you to sleep or tries to take you as deep as you can go will hit me like a ton of bricks.

Sorry, what you're asking for is so vague and applies to most every file ever.

Now the full body exercises are a bit narrower but not by much.

Any file that tries to hfo you can do this if you're doing some of them right. Particularly the female orgasm or multiple orgasm files. Weak and slutty had me sweating but not on the first listen. Lady rio made it hard to walk the first time i listened though.

4M37hy57 does a few too but elle does it best imo. At least a couple of her files expect you to move a little.

Then there's the files no-one wants to talk about but lets not do that. I tried them because of the hype and yeah, deserved if you're into it but the only reason they can be so exhausting is because they are some of the only files that ask you to do stuff. Motion itself can be hypnotizing.

Sorry for not being more helpful but i have hundreds upon hundreds of gigabytes of hypnofiles and i listen to at least one i haven't tried yet every day. You're basically asking me to categorize them.

>>64951

>most recently i've been listening to sam.

Which sam? SB, Sam Alex, SAMone else?

You honestly don't know much if you think this is just fun and games. Try read some stuff about neuroplasticy and you will learn more about the effects of porn and how even normal porn can brainwash you.

The brain craves new and fast ways to get dopamine, if your system is hijacked by massive visual stimulation, old ways will simply get boring. It's all about habitualization.

Let's say a hypnotist wants you to feel pleasure whenever she snaps her finger. First of all, ofc you need to allow yourself to feel the pleasure whenever she snaps. You could enhance the experience by clinching or masturbating whenever she snaps. Let's say you did this regulary over a period of time and you learn to get aroused by the snapping.

A well known trick for settling for good habits in psychology is to combine habits together. For example you need to drink a cofee in the morning and start to combine it with reading a book. This will make the activity of reading a book more pleasurable over time and eventually you won't need the cofee anymore and will just start reading a book.

Back to the Hypnotist example. Let's say she has a foot fetish file where she wanted to visualize yourself under her feet and whenever she snaps her finger, you get aroused by the snapping sound. Do it often and you will start to get aroused just by "being" under her feet.

Ofc you could say "yeah but it was up to you to visualize everything she ordered you to do" but if you watch a lot of porn or do a lot of those audio files then your brain WILL search for new ways of dopamine and knowing what awaits your brain when listening to hypno mp3, will only make it harder to contain yourself.

There is a reason why a "just give in and relax" is often followed by a "feel the pleasure."

Good hypnotists will use all this knowledge to "program" you.

At the end, it's all about creating and forming habits. Ofc, it's up to you to allow it, but if you have build a habit/fetish for being programmed, chances are you like and want to be mentally rewired in ways that you didn't actually like before.

I dabbled into this whole world in a way too young age where the mind is even more formable, if you guys really wanna tell me this didn't fuck me up in some ways then yeah go on be delusional.

This whole hypnosis topic really started to interested me and I "experimented" with it.

I don't lie when I say I got a foot fetish after heavy listening to Ms4|d3rs files.

Why I'm still here? Because the pleasure still feels so fuckin good that it's hard to escape this rabbid hole. Eventually I will be able to "reboot" my brain, well knowing that some damage caused by this whole hypno porn world will stay with me.

Lastly, forgive my English. On my phone and not a native speaker.

>>64960

First of all, i agree with most everything you're saying, but i see you're only focusing on the negative effects. Also…

>I don't lie when I say I got a foot fetish after heavy listening to Ms4|d3rs files.

I don't believe this for a second. I think it was already there and you just received permission/excuses to bring it forward.

Believe me when i say i've tried to give myself niche fetishes like feet/armpits for the past decade and i just can't.

Sure i can get off to the thought of getting off to armpits/feet, but actual armpits? No.

This sounds like typical denial. "It's not me, it's x"

>Eventually I will be able to "reboot" my brain, well knowing that some damage caused by this whole hypno porn world will stay with me.

How can you argue for neuroplasticity and then turn around and say there's permanent damage?

Contradicting yourself here.

Separate your porn addiction from hypnosis please.

>>64968

It's probably a combination of listening to her files and watching a lot of porn. The fetish could definetly be porn induced (as of my brain searching for new ways to get off) and her files just amplified it greatly. All I can say is feet didn't interest me at all before. Though, I always had a "natural" kink for being on the submissive end and the thought of getting off to humiliating things such as feet did arouse me until I really developed the fetish then.

For me this was likely linking 2 habits together like in my post mentioned above.

You're right though that I can't know if it will have permanent damage as the brain changes itself literally constantly. Though it does feel like I've fucked up with this. I slowly developed my foot fetish while I was 14 and while I watched tons of porn and even bdsm stuff (but never involving feet). As I got it at such a young age, it could stay with me like a naturally given fetish you feel me?

Or at least it will take really long to really reboot.

I didn't distinguish between erotic hypno and porn because I used them for the same reasons and there are also hypno porn videos not just mp3s (although more effective in some ways).

Reaching an hfo to a new kink will do things to you that porn can't in some ways..

And I mean the experience itself is superb don't get me wrong.

Still happy that I never dabbled into all this sissy shit though, lol

>>64968

It's probably a combination of listening to her files and watching a lot of porn. The fetish could definetly be porn induced (as of my brain searching for new ways to get off) and her files just amplified it greatly. All I can say is feet didn't interest me at all before. Though, I always had a "natural" kink for being on the submissive end and the thought of getting off to humiliating things such as feet did arouse me until I really developed the fetish then.

For me this was likely linking 2 habits together like in my post mentioned above.

You're right though that I can't know if it will have permanent damage as the brain changes itself literally constantly. Though it does feel like I've fucked up with this. I slowly developed my foot fetish while I was 14 and while I watched tons of porn and even bdsm stuff (but never involving feet). As I got it at such a young age, it could stay with me like a naturally given fetish you feel me?

Or at least it will take really long to really reboot.

I didn't distinguish between erotic hypno and porn because I used them for the same reasons and there are also hypno porn videos not just mp3s (although more effective in some ways).

Reaching an hfo to a new kink will do things to you that porn can't in some ways..

And I mean the experience itself is superb don't get me wrong.

Still happy that I never dabbled into all this sissy shit though, lol

>>64969

>Or at least it will take really long to really reboot.

As long as you believe it will imo.

>Reaching an hfo to a new kink will do things to you that porn can't in some ways..

Everything is placebo imo.

>Still happy that I never dabbled into all this sissy shit though, lol

Long time user of sissy files. As a teen, i always wanted to be a girl. Always wanted to transition(short of dicksplitting). Planned it all out. Sissy files almost daily for years.

Have no interest in transitioning now.

Literally everything in life is what you believe, every proper therapist tells you this. The proof of it is everywhere too. So much so that we pretend there are special people or that we are the special people and that must mean the exception but you can be chaste for the rest of your life if you will it or take a vow of silence or gain a hundred pounds and lose it.

Short of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population (genetically speaking), no-one really has "true" depression or anxiety. They just feel that way or perceive things that way. For that tiny percentage though, they are physically incapable of feeling otherwise.

The rest is just chips and shoulders.

Point being that reality is mostly what you want it to be. E.G placebo.

Now i'm not saying you can want to be a millionaire and just become one.

I'm saying if you really wanted to be a millionaire you'd become one no matter what it took.

People who don't become millionaires simply don't want to, or want other things more. They want to be millionaires without the effort.

Another example would be bodybuilders, you're not genetically incapable of having that ration of muscle mass, you're will to achieve it is what matters there. If you let other wants get in the way(wanting fast food or to relax) then you'll have a harder time getting there.

>Protip, manage your self-sabotaging tendencies.

>>64980

Thank you, that really motivates me.

Read this right after a domme made me tribute for the first time ever…might as well throw my phone away if it will help me get rid of this shit.

Your story shows that it's possible though!

Would love it if you could explain how you stayed away from all those sissy urges (tips or sth.)

>>64984

>Would love it if you could explain how you stayed away from all those sissy urges

I didn't. Didn't you read?

My whole point was that i believe it's a matter of perspective in all things.

I used to be suicidal, borderline murderous, woefully anxious. Then i realized it was only a matter of how i look at things.

I looked at happiness as something you could accumulate. I looked at frustration as something inflicted by others. I looked at people and thought they compared themselves to others as much as me.

The truth is everything you feel is a non-consensual feeling, resistance is futile. Hypnosis taught me this. You have to feel bad to feel good and vice versa. If this weren't true we'd all take heroin or meth all day because it would make us feel good non-stop but even those can't do that for us.

So when it comes to sissy stuff (or anything really, from money to body image to education) most people, myself included, convinced themselves that it would be the secret key to unlock the door to happiness leaving behind a room of pain and suffering.

The truth is there is no key and there is no door and there never existed a room.

It's all in your head, if it's not then look to the lepers, the terminals, the insane or the truly poor. Wouldn't they be content if their ails simply vanished? Only for a time, then they'd suffer just the same.

I was taught being trans meant that you were born with part of your brain as the opposite genders, the sex part to be specific.

There is absolutely no way that that applies now, to all the trans at least.

So by that definition, i'm not trans and can't claim to be unless i go to a doctor and get scanned and they tell me this is the case.

Until i do it's just another "this is what i want"

Which is fine imo, people can do themselves and i'll do me. If they hurt themselves or get better for it, it's their thing too. Plenty of people bodybuild to unhealthy levels or eat so much that their foot falls off and their hearts stop. Smoking is still a thing.

Plenty of people also turn their lives around bodybuilding, or eat just enough to avoid weight related diseases or smoke all day everyday without detriment. I'm not going to start telling people how to live or how not to without subjecting everyone to the same scrutiny, including myself.

>TL;DR Willpower and perspective. Both are nurtured, i like to think of them as trees or roads in my brain. The more used the better.

>>64989

>I looked at happiness as something you could accumulate. I looked at frustration as something inflicted by others.

Sadhguru? You?

So I've been journeying through hypnosis, kink and BDSM for a while now. The psychology is actually relatively simple when you understand it. It can be more scary when you don't.

You absolutely can fuck up your life by listening to hypnosis, but only in the same way as any other psychological addiction can fuck up your life - like gambling or video games. Any "damage" you do can be reversed, as long as you don't start physically modifying your body, etc.

Hypnosis is essentially just placebo. It's an excuse to get you doing a behaviour you wouldn't normally do, and associating that behaviour with things that (in the case of erotic hypnosis) make you aroused or happy/satisfied. That's why you need to "practice" for any of it to work. The more you feel like it's working, the more it will work, and the easier you'll find engaging in new things under hypnosis will become. But at it's core it's just a method of creating new habits and mental associations.

You can't be hypnotised into doing anything you don't want to do - but the trick is that by associating things you initially dislike or are indifferent to with pleasurable experiences, what you want to do will actually change to match up with those things you associate with pleasure. This can feel a bit spooky when you notice it happening, because most are under the illusion that our conscious minds decide what we want, and so when we notice a change in our conscious attitude towards something that we didn't "decide," it can be weird. But in reality this happens all the time if you think about it: You get grumpy when you're tired or hungry, anxious before an exam, turned on when you see a hot chick etc. You don't "decide" this stuff, it's just that everyone is really used to the very used to the common every day associations 99% of the population have, so you don't notice it anywhere near as much as when you very deliberately and artificially set up an association with hypnosis or some other form of psychological training.

>>65263 (cont.)

The other half of this equation is that people severely underestimate the power of sexual arousal and satisfaction in influencing our behaviours. Almost every human on the planet has some pretty intense hardwired desire to achieve sexual gratification - we are here to fuck and make babies that will fuck and make more babies. However, frankly 99% of the population are also really really shit at maximising their own sexual satisfaction, and are practically trained out of having the best possible sex because if everyone was super horny all the time society would fall apart. But, just because most people end up forgoing the most intense sexual experiences possible, it doesn't mean that the potential isn't there.

If you know how to engage someone's brain sexually, make them incredibly horny and also delay the gratification (e.g. orgasm), then the dopamine rush you get is unreal. It's the "brain fog" you get from being super horny while under hypnosis, or gooning for hours, or being mercilessly teased by a partner. It's the ultimate natural high and it absolutely will affect your short-term decision making. It can also cause you to feel intensely shitty for a little while after the high ends and you experience a sharp drop in adrenaline. I'm pretty sure most people have felt that "oh god, what am I doing" or similar feeling at least a few times. People also tend to give this drop feeling more significance than they should, because despite being biologically sabotaged with shit feelings by your body people just assume that when the horny is gone they immediately go back to "thinking straight." Usually if you do absolutely nothing for 5 minutes you just magically feel better again.

Anyway, this up and down ride of the sexual highs and lows can also cause people to feel completely out of control of their own actions. Right after cumming, they feel like crap and tell themselves they need to quit, but then a little while later suddenly it all starts feeling appealing again, which makes them feel "addicted." And then they jerk off and in their quest to feel even better this time, their sexually fogged brain pushes them a little further into new territory, and then when they cum they're back at "I'm so fucked up."

Thing is, once you understand why these feelings and actions occur, it makes it much easier to control. When you feel that horny urge to do something… extra you decide either A: actually you're high right now and maybe you shouldn't do that or B: this hit is totally worth the hangover. But the best thing you can do is start thinking about the shit you do when you jerk off without actually getting horny and jerking off, and manage it like any other debilitating state. Tell yourself before you get horny what you're completely fine with doing, what you maybe want to let yourself try or experiment with, and what you absolutely don't want. And don't overthink what's "normal" or "weird." The desire to cum harder than you ever have before is absolutely normal. If listening to sissy shit or whatever gets you there then have at it. Just don't do something stupid like cutting your dick off - because I can almost guarantee that won't make getting off more enjoyable.

>>65263

>Hypnosis is essentially just placebo.

stopped reading

>>65263

> Hypnosis is essentially just placebo.

A placebo wouldn't leave a stain in someone's pants when they jizz themselves through a HFO.

> That's why you need to "practice" for any of it to work.

Nope. Don't assume people all respond the same way. Some people need to practice repeatedly, sure. Some people have it happen first time. I actually find a file becomes less effective the more I listen to it.

Some hypnodommes do gear files more towards *conditioning* certain responses (usually dubbing it brainwashing).

It sounds to me like you've taken this concept and applied it to your entire understanding of hypnosis.

>>65268

>>65274

>A placebo wouldn't leave a stain in someone's pants when they jizz themselves through a HFO.

You guys do understand that when it comes to psychology placebos are measurably effective, right? It just means that most hypnosis only works if you believe it will be effective. But if you DO believe it will be effective, then it will have significant real effects. So yes, a placebo will leave a stain on someone's pants if that person is convinced it is working and the resulting action/behaviour is something that can be achieved through mind over matter.

You can make someone jizz hands free without using hypnosis too. You also can't fly even if you are totally convinced through hypnosis that you can. You can also make someone feel completely comfortable with dying by making them believe in an afterlife, but you can't use hypnosis or placebo to actually cure them.

And yes, some people are naturally suggestible and trusting in the process. Some people also believe in crystal power healing, astrology, and a man in the sky. And I'm not saying that just because these things aren't "real" that an earnest belief in them won't have a psychological effect. What's important is that the BELIEF is real so you will respond as if it is real.

If it isn't clear, I believe hypnosis is effective and I've experienced its effects (positive and negative) first hand. But I'm under no illusion that hypnosis is magic. It can't make you do anything you don't want to do, and the only way it can have a long-term effect on your behaviour is if you are either truly convinced that you are acting under hypnosis, or you train your unconscious mind with conditioning.

At the end of the day, all this shit is in your head. That doesn't make it not "real," but it does make it under your control. If hypnosis works for you by believing it's some mystical magical shit then more power to you. But to most rational people hypnosis won't work if you tell them it's magic because they'll be skeptical. For those people, laying out the psychological facts around behavioural conditioning and the measurable power of belief (aka placebo), is necessary for them to buy into it. Or they'll just wrongly assume the whole field is bullshit.

Having a realistic explanation of how hypnosis works doesn't undermine its effectiveness. But telling someone who isn't mentally ill that it's magic will.

>>65255

>Sadhguru?

Never heard of him but i'm a check him out.

>>65277

Agreeing that hypnosis isn't magic, and that it's a psychological exercise - or even that there isn't any suggestion you could give someone that could be achieved without hypnosis - isn't the same as saying it's a placebo though.

By your metric, you could achieve anything that's mentally achievable through hypnosis and it would still be a placebo.

Yes, placebos can have effects. Yes, they require the person to believe that they will work to have success - which often helps get results with hypnosis but not always. You can still get people agreeing to be hypnotised who don't think it will work who are surprised to find it does.

And ultimately, if hypnosis functioned like a placebo, you could find someone who knew nothing about how hypnosis worked, tell them you'd hypnotise them and bring them under just by clicking your fingers.

If you've got someone exceptionally suggestible, that could still work - but odds are you're going to be disappointed as soon as you give them their first suggestion

>>65325

This. He doesn't know what a placebo is. He's probably one of those faggots that throws around the term "placebo effect" for literally any positive result that he can't explain otherwise.

>>65277

>and a man in the sky

Oh boy, here we go again…

>>65325

>By your metric, you could achieve anything that's mentally achievable through hypnosis and it would still be a placebo.

It depends. Conditioning can result in long-term changes in unconscious behaviour, but you simply can't form this type of result in a single hypnosis session. I don't consider conditioning to be "placebo" because everyone is susceptible to it, whether they want to be or not. We all form habits, good or bad, and they influence our behaviour significantly. But obviously you don't need hypnosis to condition behaviour.

When it comes to the kind of hypnosis that works immediately, with short term results, it is absolutely necessary for the subject to believe they are being hypnotised and/or trust in the person making suggestions. Someone who is unwilling to entertain the idea of hypnosis and does not cooperate with a hypnotist simply will never be hypnotised, ever.

>You can still get people agreeing to be hypnotised who don't think it will work who are surprised to find it does.

Someone saying they're skeptical of hypnosis does not mean they're immune to the placebo effect. Most of the time, people are skeptical of "hypnosis" because representations in media make them think hypnosis is something that it's not, and then it can be pretty easy to subvert their expectations and convince them that this time they're about to experience "real hypnosis."

In reality "hypnotising" someone is just about getting them to trust you completely (some people are naturally more willing to trust than others) and feel safe following your suggestions. Everything else is in service to achieving that. And because quickly building trust is hard, or impossible in some cases, many online hypnotists resort to a pseudo-science about the "state of trance" and "going deeper and deeper," with the hope that the subject will convince themselves something is actually happening as they simply relax, and start trusting the hypnotist's power over them. But if you don't buy that, it just does nothing at all.

It is possible to generate trust and make someone suggestible and compliant without employing hypnotic placebos, but then it doesn't really look much like "hypnosis" any more. It's just mental submission and domination.

>>64764

I'm ugly and getting hypnotized to get really horny is hot.

Ok, no.

I was curious of the replies but didn't want to waste time replying, but after having read this I HAVE to intervene.

First off let me say that I'm not invalidating the personal experience of >>64771 and perhaps many others, but it's just not the case for everyone.

My personal experience goes as follow: treated like shit by a girl I was madly in love with, having fucked up myself by myself, I developed kind of a kink for girls and women who boss me.

That is not to say that I like to be treated like a rag, rather the contrary; however, when it comes to the bedroom, I can't help but find erotic a woman who imposes herself on me until I give up and let her win. It's the power exchange dynamic, always present in hypnosis, that excites me.

So, yes, when it comes to hypnosis this is what I like.

If you're curious about more of my past, after that girl, years later I got involved in a short and toxic relationship with a woman who wanted things her way and (I realised once I was out of it) kept me on the leash, giving me the sexual relief I needed as a mean of control over me. In case you're wondering I'd still run back to her right now if she wanted me.

It's after this woman that I found the first files online and got into hypnosis.

Although I'm not listening any more to hypno, and I'm generally uninterested due to a plethora of reasons, this is what got me into hypno in the first place, and I believe it's the same for many others: the feeling of dependency, the feeling of being at the mercy of someone else and the pleasure it gives to crave something and finally have it.

It's not that it can't happen with a less perverted relationship, it's just that the contrast here makes every sensation more powerful.

>>66808

work on yourself.

"I'm ugly" is just an excuse. You're a lazy dipshit, that's what you are! Are you ok with it? Fine. But don't lie to yourself. Man up and change your life!

>>64764

I'm fucking addicted man, nothing else makes me coom anymore :(

this is the stupidest fucking thread i've seen here.

Because experiencing someone controlling you without any conscious input from yourself is hot, man.

And it's perfectly possible to have a healthy, productive life and date someone while playing around with hypno when you're home alone and horny.

Stop projecting bro.

Oh yeah and using "wizard" as a perjorative is some entry level edgelord cringeworthy shit.

>>74842

Don't spread that cringe shit here. Leave it for twitter or YouTube.

Talk Hypno or GTFO