/hypno/ - Hypnochan

Give me the playlist for B4mb1 to completely take me over against my will

>>52532

> to completely take me over against my will

You are already willing it, so your request is a nonsense.

So, what's next?

>>52748

What a thoughtful and helpful post! Thanks for your contribution, Anon!

I shit all over B4mb1. It's pure garbage-hypno.

>>52750

It's a hidden patreon post from last month.

The intended audience probably gets it.

I could have made a new thread for this but I’ll just did it here along with a question.

Smoking cannabis before hypnosis is great, it helped me a reach a deeper trance. I’m wondering if anybody else does this, how much they smoke (or take in other ways), and if they like indica or sativa or hybrids to go with hypnosis. I typically have gone with indica but might try sativa.

>>52532

I have thought about this. The best way to do it would be to train 1-2 times per day, every day, with trigger tracks only. So no attitude lock, uniform lock, none of the transformation stuff. You'd want to get B4mb1 freeze, good girl, Babmi sleep, etc. as 100% effective triggers with no other content to scare you away. Once the triggers are locked in, start adding in the meat of the files. You should automatically obey the sleep, freeze, and amnesia triggers, so there will be no way to stop it, no way to even remember what the files do.>>52532

>>52792

Not the one you quoted, but that's exactly what I did. My reports may still be in the previous posts. It worked, and that might be bad for you. But it looks like sinking sand: The more you move, the deeper you get. Stop everything and it goes away.

>>52792

So… Just 1-2-10 from Bimbodoll conditioning, 1 and 5 from fuckdoll brainwash, and the whole enforcement playlist?

>>52798

I'd say 1,2,3,10 from bimbo doll conditioning

For about two weeks, twice a day.

then

1 from fuckdoll brainwash

3 from bimbodoll conditionin

5 from fuckdoll brainwash

for a couple of weeks again.

After that you can add other files between 1 and 5 of the fuckdoll brainwash tracks.

if starting from the beginning there are too many files to throw them all into a big long playlist and I consider enforcement to be more effective after you've listened to other files for a month.

such as:

https://B4mb1sleep.blogspot.com/p/B4mb1-playlists.html

if you listen to files and you find any particular files jars you awake or you keep becoming more aware of things in the middle of it - drop that one out of your track list.

it won't hurt to once a week go back to the basic files 1,2,3,10

>>52798

I think (though it was good when it came out) the original series doesn't have much on the effectiveness of later stuff so would move on asap. I think the Deep Trance playlist linked above has the most of the ones you'd want.

1/5 from fuckdoll brainwash, 2/3/4/6/7/9 and maybe 10 from enforcement.

>>52808

>Listening to Fuckdoll Brainwash without listening to 4-9 of Bimbodoll Conditioning.

That's retarded advice.

>>52820

idk. Probably want to go through them at least a couple times I guess, but I haven't bothered with them for a long time now. I think basically everything in there is covered (and done better) in later tracks. Especially after enforcement. There might be something I missed that wouldn't make sense if you skipped them though.

>>52808

What if I am waking up and being fully aware during 02 and 10 and 3?

anyone got a playlist for total beginners?

>>52820

The induction and awakener from fuckdoll brainwash are much shorter than the original set.

The length of the tracks or a playlist is a constraint. Anyone that's a good subject and wants the effects can probably listen to 1,2,3,10 then list to 1 to 10 straight through.

Alas most of us don't respond that well to either files or the unknown on a single listen.

>>52827

Keep listening until you don't. Learn to do what the files says and focus on pretending it's as real as possible.

Otherwise decide you only want some of the files changes, enjoy those bits and recognise that maybe being dragged out of trance is your subconscious way of saying you're not into that idea.

>>52429

i still don't understand why B4mb1 is wordfiltered

the content is free

>>52929

I agree, and even so, we've seen that the creator of B4mb1 doesn't exactly go after rip-offs since B4mb1sleep.com is still live

>>52929

>>52930

People shouldn't accidentally stumble upon /hypno when searching for B4mb1.

The word filter is not just in place to hide the file sharing itself, but also /hypno in general. As long as we don't generate to much attention, we won't be bothered by to many trolls, copyright bots, sjw and so on.

>>52821

>>52839

That's nonsensical. You're missing essential triggers like the windshield wipers, uniform lock, drop for cock, and best of all, the fuck machine fantasy where B4mb1's influence is tied to your arousal. You don't have to listen to all 10 in one session. You can add a few more and switch it up with other files from the same list.

>>52936

The wipers are an implicit trigger, which isn't reused in other files in any appreciable way.

Uniform Lock and Drop for Cock are both reiterated in the enforcement files as far as I remember.

Also, there is nothing prevent one from adding the fuck machine files to a playlist mostly consisting of newer files. The audio levels match and the main purpose of them is the application of the drop for cock trigger and introduction of the cum command in a fantasy setting as far as I'm aware. Both of those are also trained in other files, so there is still no need to use it, if one doesn't want to.

>>52982

>as far as I remember

So basically this stuff doesn't work? :(

>>52988

>>as far as I remember

>So basically this stuff doesn't work? :(

LOL! :D

>>52988

I've always had problems with amnesia triggers, and also haven't listened for about a week, so my memory isn't as precise as I'd like.

I feel like it's getting better though.

Enforcement works really good. Helped me with trancing to Bimbodoll and Fuckdoll, finally felt the effects.

So how many times are folks listening to the initial "conditioning" set of files before moving on to playlists? B4mb1 Prime may give me fuckdoll tits, blowjob lips and a bubble ass, but so far the three hour bladder required for getting through the whole thing is still not in evidence..

>>53638

This

>>53638

The tracks are intentionally designed in a modular fashion, so you can skip/interchange some tracks every time you listen.

The only recommended tracks of the original set are 1 2 3 10, if I'm not mistaken.

Feel free to use as many or few tracks from the playlist in-between those, rotating them regularly for a full experience of the original release.

The blog has quite a bit more information about this on the respective release announcement site, the FAQ and playlist section.

>>53638

Switch to enforcement, it's 70 min or so.

>>53683

He should listen to 123 10 at least a few times, as those are the only ones actually creating the B4mb1 persona in a distinct way, which lets the listener associate it with themselves. All other files expect, that you already respond to the name B4mb1 as if it was your own in some capacity.

Not having this as a background, would hurt the experience and probably even the effectiveness of the later files.

That being said, as soon as one responds reasonably well to being called B4mb1, I also recommend to skip to Enforcement right away.

is the next release the bimbodoll remaster?

>>53769

Thank you very much.

gotta give kudos to the creator here too

up to 344 patrons at a minimum of $5 each, that's min. $1720 per file released and they're still not churning them out

curious that they don't just start doing the files full-time, though - that's a good annual income with a set of files per month

>>53774

As you can see in >>53769 about 100 of them pay at least 10$ per release.

Nevertheless I wouldn't stay subscribed, if new files were released more frequent than every one and a half months, and I'm only at the 5$ level.

Of course I may not be representative of the average supporter, but I guess there is a lot of risk involved in deciding to create affordable niche adult entertainment full time.

>>53753

remaster never at this rate

>>53700

and what does enforcement do? can you please give a list of suggestions? i hear the list on the website is not complete.

The creator should go to prison for this.

>>53957

>This is criminally good!

Well, that is pretty much universally accepted by now.

we need more B4mb1s. please remember to share the files with as many as you can

>>53795

I'm soooo looking forward to its release

>>53774

The creator only charges for the months she releases new content.

Just found a crazy powerful combination:

1. Train with V1v3 Magic Mask, Magic panties and Bimbo Pride until all triggers work

2. Include a see-through lace eyemask and panties in your uniform

3. Train with B4mb1 playlists.

So, anyone taken videos in B4mb1 triggered/uniform mode yet. I'd love to see something uploaded, especially in "drop for cock" or "cock zombie" mode.

I'll bet a identity concealing face mask would make an acceptable uniform addition..

>>54519

Yes, I have in the past. But it´s a bad idea which is why I´m not doing it anymore. People wrote comments with triggers all the time under every video and even private messages with triggers and orders to follow… I´m not saying that reading the triggers made me a complete zombie but it often did have a strong effect on me. Just one example: A user called mellek wrote me a pm and ordered me to make a pic for him showing my complete face. I never did that in the past but his whole message was full of triggers and while reading the thought of showing of my B4mb1 face felt awesome. And so I did for the first time online. He wrote me a few more messages with more orders to pose in sexy outfits and I did all of them.

After listening to these files for like 5-6 months it dawned me that the triggers do have an effect just not as extreme as everybody wants you to believe. Well, maybe I´m just not listening for long enough but I also think it depends on the person listening.

So I guess that´s the reason you don´t find many people posting videos as B4mb1 since I´m sure I´m not the only person with this experience. I´m only live streaming and posting videos without any info about B4mb1 at all these days.

>>54559

((Good girl))

>>54476

I ordered a mask in mpicsmedia type style. I'll give this a shot. Since the B4mb1 series doesn't have mask support.

>>53980

>she

I think the creator should focus on the physical aspect. A session that encourages the listener to work-out and go to the gym, to get a good shape and to marvel the boys there.

>>54713

As a naturally fit person, there is no appeal in that scenario for me. I also don't know, if a tighter specification of the men/cocks to lust for would be beneficial for the files.

>>54718

As with most of files, there could be 2 of them. One focusing on the work-out aspect for those not naturally fit to become healthier and hotter, and one file to enjoy being in the gym.

Any chance of a BBC B4mb1 file?

>>54738

i was joking when i suggested this in a previous thread but the possibility of encouraging genuinely positive habits (even with an undertone like this) is the best aspect of hypnosis

>>54744

Not gonna happen (i don't want it to, either)

The creator has stated that they're not going near such fetishes, they're just focused on the bimbo aspect

It makes sense to do the thing everyone listening has in common really well, rather than deviate into specific fetishes like that

The only reason I'd support that is if I were into the specific fetish which happened to be chosen, but of course every one of those splits the fanbase due to the nature of fetishes: I personally want to see anal instruction HFO files, cum eating files and others but I know it'd again split the fanbase

I'd recommend learning to make the files yourself - grab the ivona salli and ivona ivy voices as well as Balabolka or some other TTS software, a DAW and get to work. That's what I'm doing. There's a file linked in the OP also made by a 3rd party - proves it can be done. you'd think your own hypnosis wouldn't work on you but apparently it works just as well, if not better. after all, the words actually originated in your own head: isn't that what all hypnosis intends to make you believe?

We could use a sound pack with the trigger/background/human voice sounds separated out so I don't have to resample the original files, if the creator is reading :)

Can`t find the link to Ivona.Can you provide the link please?

>>54781

It's not as if everyone has to listen to every file!

What difference would it make if there some files you could pop in your playlist or not, it's up to you.

The surgery segment of the original conditioning files was useless to me, just never bothered adding it to my playlist.

Or is this some kind of tyranny from certain fans that will whinge if they don't like something and if they don't want it, no one gets it!

Anyway, I respect if the author just has no interest personally, but any other reason, I don't get.

But after all, I respect your idea that you can just make your own, it's a good one :)

>>54781

It's a good idea, but it would be nice to see the creator branch out a little bit and try different flavored files that were still in the realm of the bimbo fetish

BBC, anal instruction, HFO, and cum eating sounds like they could all fit well into a bimbo B4mb1 file or fantasy or something

Not everyone would like every single one, but maybe release 1 fringe fantasy file with a standard bimbo pack and that fringe fantasy file wouldn't be necessary to listen to with the pack. You could just take it out if you don't like it

Or maybe have people vote for what their favorite fringe specific fetish is and make 1 file about that

>>54795

>But after all, I respect your idea that you can just make your own, it's a good one

I've been looking everywhere for that make your own B4mb1 rip set of files someone posted here ages ago it had all the triggers and the background humming and chants all ripped.

>>54886

would kill for this

>>54909

how many files did it have?

i found a small pack of samples taken from the B4mb1 files directly, no chants though

Anybody can share the new patreon progress update?

just an update saying the poll winner is half way done

the poll winner's description:

B4mb1 Mental Makeover would be a new full-length session focused on training B4mb1 to be a ditzy, vacuous, superficial platinum blonde, mannerisms, speech and thought patterns, interests and lifestyle changes.

>>54915

I don't understand, why it's a ten dollar perk. I'm a five dollar subscriber and I am so annoyed by not knowing, what I'm up to for the next payment, that I'm considering unsubscribing every time, one of these is released.

Isn't it counterproductive to scare away existing subscribers in-between releases every time?

At least there is usually some kind soul here to post it, so I didn't have to cancel it yet.

>>54917

Hnnnnnnng, I can't wait!

>>54918

just increase your limit to $10 then drop it back down 5min later

>>54986

Won't that result in me paying the difference to my current tier? Remember that the payment is based on releases and not monthly fees.

>>54989

you immediately get access to all past releases at that tier

i've only been charged once since last november, at the $5 level

>>55017

Interesting, but that seems to be a glitch, because it would mean, that I could get access to way higher tier files by momentarily subscribing to the base level of some tist and then immediately increasing the tier and changing it back after downloading.

If that's how it works, it's hilarious, that they haven't fixed it so far.

>>55021

I'm pretty sure this works for any Patreon artist =D

>>53769

>>54915

>>54917

When did the poll finish? I'm betting on the new session coming out in March / April for patreons, meaning we can expect it for May as non-patreons, if not earlier.

Would that playlist be ok for a semi-beginner who has done 123-10 many times:

Bubble Induction

Bubble Acceptance

B4mb1 Named and Drained

Bimbo Relaxation

Bimbo Mindwipe

Bimbo Slumber

B4mb1 Uniformed

Bimbo Tranquility

Bimbo Addiction

Bimbo Amnesia

B4mb1 Awakens

It would be about 100 mins.

>>55332

If the triggers work relatively well and you react to being called B4mb1 while listening, there is no point in sticking with the lengthy induction tracks of the original set.

Use the full enforcement playlist and add or remove, what you feel fits your current development best. I'd stay away from addiction and protection, if you are unsure, how heavy you want to go, unless you don't go very deep and are interested in what is actually said in them.

You can add the fantasy files or cockslut after servitude and put slumber in the playlist another time, if you loose some depth over longer sessions.

Also, since there is no ending nor awakener for enforcement, I'd recommend to append either the awakener of brainwash or the 2 minute intro again. Other tracks can be inserted somewhere in the middle, if desired.

>>55332

>>55332

looks good

but like the other poster said, cut out acceptance/named

replace the induction with the 2nd induction and throw in some files from the 2nd set

>>55340

>>55364

ok thx =)

in your experience, what is the longest playlist you can go through without any issues?

>>55506

Not drinking too much beforehand the three hours of the full original set are barely passable, but I prefer to stay below one and a half hours.

In your opinion, which files are the best?

>>55518

B4mb1 cockslut

B4mb1 mindless doll

Mindlocked cock zombie

Plastic fuckpuppet

Oblivion

Bimbo Tranquillity

Bimbo Amnesia

>>55518

I like Slumber the most even though being an induction/deepener it's rather simple.

Of the files involving more sophisticated fantasy scenarios Cockslut and Blowup Pleasure Toy are both good, but not really perfect.

The other one's don't meet my taste/preferences as much. It's generally pretty dependent on what your kinks are. The quality of the files is otherwise consistent.

>>55525

I'd say Oblivion is the best file. I still enjoy it despite it being almost a year old now. The more hardcore the file the more enjoyable it is years later. Only reason I don't trance to it more often is that it can be a bit too much.

>>55529

I like it as well, but it's a little unfortunate that it contains dumbing down suggestions which I cannot afford to affect me, most of the time.

I don't believe there are any persistent changes but usually I don't want to take the chance of my mind acting on the suggestion even for a limited time.

What's the appeal of being stupid? https://www.likera.com/blog/wp/archives/69467 What's your take?

is it ok to listen to 123 10 without any uniform, totally nude?

I want to learn the triggers, but don't have the possibility to crossdress for a while.

>>55571

The author does advise against this on his blog.

I also wouldn't necessarily do it, because at least wearing some item, not even directly feminine, helps getting in a different mindset and serves as a kind of trance trigger. If you cannot wear and hide a single panty use a piece of jewelry, a pink string around your arm, or something similar. You can be very creative, but the files expect you to wear some kind of "uniform" and probably won't work too well, if you don't wear one.

>>55592

oh, a pink hair scrunchie worn around the wrist for example would be enough?

>>55609

Sure, it's more of a symbol for yourself than anything else. When you start to deeply associate it with being B4mb1, that is the first part to your B4mb1's uniform. Selecting things you'd want to see a very attractive girl wearing, which are also suitable for your body type, are the best choices in my opinion.

The author also mentions a collar in one of the later tracks that should also be easy to hide.

>>55610

Maybe I'm going to try something more ambitious then.. like a little choker collar + cute tank top + panties + stockings or tights =) I'm gonna be really careful and hide them.

>>55647

Have a phallic object you can suck on handy, when you start adding more tracks, or you might have problems getting out of the uniform again.

>>55649

Do fingers work?

>>55653

Possibly. Have never tried because I bought a dildo right away. You can also put a condom over a wide variety of fruits and other semi-soft household items to make them safely suckable.

You don't need this for 123 10 though, so no need to hurry.

>>55655

ok then when needed I'll just get a banana and a condom =)

Here's the story so far:

>have dipped my toe into B4mb1 Sleep twice already, each time listening for a few days before panicking at memory or intelligence loss and backing out

>give it a whirl again four days ago because I'm feeling suicidal

>listen to 1,2,3,10 with no uniform

>trance works but I have a few weird subconscious attempts to break trance, like jerking my hand or wiggling toes, and when more extreme suggestions come up I scowl a little bit

>listen two times on friday, before and after work

>at night throw in the fuckdoll brainwash induction and ender like >>52808 suggests

>am EXTREMELY affected, have such a bad headache I feel hungover and stumble around for thirty minutes with intense mental fog

>listen to several trance deepening playlists three times yesterday

>as day goes on notice that the subconscious resistance is gradually being stamped out and sessions are beginning to pass more quickly

>buy about $200 worth of women's clothes and cosmetics on Amazon, despite ordinarily having no interest in crossdressing

After the clothes arrive I will start listening to behavioral conditioning stuff while wearing a uniform. I will post any updates here.

>>55660

Just don't get the illusion of being trans just because you listened too much.

Also for easier acceptance of the files analyse the files prior to listening. Most suggestions are really not that bad, if you get the correct context.

The forgetting of the former self for instance is a thought of/suggestion for the B4mb1 persona, not your actual self. It's likely a measure to prevent you from thinking about everyday stuff and reinforce the separation between you and B4mb1. Once trance is introduced the suggestion apply almost exclusively to her but those few times when the files explicitly reference talking to the former self or saying something is not limited to B4mb1.

>>55666

Based B4mb1 content creator getting satanic trips

>>55678

Did you ever even get close to properly listen to what is being said?

Your comment suggests otherwise.

Why do you follow the thread, if the files are of no interest to you?

>>55680

I never said the files are of no interest to me. I'm not sure how you think I'm listening to the files incorrectly, or what effect you think this stuff should properly have on its listeners. I would be very interested in your answer though.

>>55683

I'm not the creator. I don't know what the expected effect should be, but if you listen to the files without trancing and analyze the meaning and context of each sentence, the files are really not that bad except for those with a heavy emphasis on addiction which is one per set and nobody forces anyone to listen to those.

In my opinion, the files should be used for sexual entertainment, pleasure and hypnotic role-playing only. I wouldn't want to manipulate people to affect their normal lifes, and I don't think the author has very different goals.

Maybe some people use it for more interested sex, I don't know, but in the grand scheme of things the files don't appear to be of malicious intent or aimed at corrupting people.

The only problem with the extended context of the sentences is that listeners may not pick up on it "correctly". The author sadly doesn't make this as clear as it should be all the time, so I write my suggestion on how they might like the suggestion to be interpreted here, in the hopes, they have a better experience with the files later.

Also a few tips on personalising the experience is probably helpful in getting into it a little deeper a little quicker. Who doesn't want that?

>>55685

I'd say most listeners use these files to enhance crossdressing fun

>>55687

Most of the ones who have reported here only got into crossdressing because of the files.

There is a certain appeal in getting "forcefully" feminized and to experience a deep trance, and I think the combination of both is what's getting people to try the files.

The files are also big in sissy circles but that's just because they appear to be above and beyond what these people are used to from some -not all- other tists and especially their flashy videos.

>>55689

>and especially their flashy videos.

SB you mean?

>>55697

Not specifically. Basically every major porn site is full of them, if you just search for hypnosis.

>>55699

tbh I find it surprising audio file hypnosis isn't bigger than it is. Flashy gif sissy hypnosis is much more popular when it's total garbage that has barely any effect beyond the mere idea of being hypnotized.

>>55752

>barely any effect beyond the mere idea of being hypnotized

For people unfamiliar with proper hypnosis this can already be quite a bit due to the placebo effect. It's still stupid nonetheless.

>>55699

>Basically every major porn site is full of them

Ah, I see what you mean now.

>>55660

>despite ordinarily having no interest in crossdressing

>is participating in these threads and willing to listen to this

>no interest in crossdressing

are you sure about that?

>>55802

I really wasn't into crossdressing. I tried it as a teenager because it was apparently something people do and I was impressed by how totally unremarkable it felt. It was just wearing clothes.

Now I'm very excited about getting skirts, blouses, and panties in the mail, and I love to try them all on. It's a really noticeable difference

>Buy chastity device

>try to trance with B4mb1 files

>have really bad reaction to them all of a sudden

>suddenly no longer interested even without the chastity on

I'm cured? I guess?

>>56132

No, not so fast, young padawan!

You just have some bad connotations about chastity devices which carry over to the files.

Wait a longer time until you try again without chastity, and only if that's successful, you could think about new ways of introducing it back to your sessions. Maybe wear it for some time to get accustomed and are reasonably deprived of orgas… -horny, I mean- before you listen again while wearing it.

I've seen an image floating around about "Ideal" listen sequences that I forgot to save, does anyone have it?

it's in discord, it's also online, search 4chan archives with B4mb1 sleep and you'll find them.

>>56133

Everytime I try to trance with a cage on I get so horny it becomes physically uncomfortable, which is a shame as it's an idea that really turns me on.

>>56152

As I said, maybe you aren't used to having it on for long enough to prevent discomfort in certain situations.

Or it may be too big. I don't have a lot of experience with chastity but, as I understand, the device should be small enough to prevent your dicks from swelling up inside it, because it getting hard while in the device would cause stronger discomfort than just having it unable to swell up.

Some discomfort is still to be expected judging by the design.

does this fuck with your productivity? I'm a Uni student and worried this will fuck my brain up permanently.

>>56189

Personally no, unless you count that time spent doing this is time not spent doing anything useful.

Effects have been self-contained for me, which is the way they're intended to be.

>>56190

god this is so fucked up and tempting hnngh

>>56162

my problem isn't with the chastity device its with using B4mb1 files to fap to. Remove the fap and suddenly the files are boring. But I need the chastity to stop me getting out of trance too early. I think I have to admit defeat and just give up entirely. Fetish was fun while it lasted but I think this isn't fun anymore.

>>56192

Take your well deserved break.

We'll see you back at the same place at a different time.

>>56189

I'm skipping the tracks which are dedicated to dumbing down while practicing for exams, just to be extra safe, but other than that the files are a nice entertainment/journey every now and then, especially when you've developed your trancing ability a little bit further.

>>56195

I'm pretty sure all of it is in the subliminals anyways.

>>56205

>muh subliminals

It's not even hidden.

There are references to dumbing down in multiple files, whose main focus is something else, but those don't concern me. I'm just skipping the other ones on a better-safe-than-sorry basis. I haven't even had any problems with these affecting me in my daily life when I was listening to them.

>>56189

in theory only "B4mb1" should be "dumbed-down" so you shouldn't worry about that for the most part

>>56152

>Everytime I try to trance with a cage on I get so horny it becomes physically uncomfortable, which is a shame as it's an idea that really turns me on.

me too

>>55752

>>55759

actually if done properly those videos can stimulate certain cravings or desires

it won't actually make you want to suck cock, for example, but if you already have that desire just a little then they might be enough to push you over the edge. Same with crossdressing, anal, etc.

>>56287

> in theory only "B4mb1" should be "dumbed-down" so you shouldn't worry about that for the most part

Not so fast. B4mb1 Named and Drained is pretty explicit about a goal to "erase your old personality completely" and that's also the file where B4mb1's name is introduced.

There's also a YMMV here in that the files frequently refer to B4mb1 as "you" and depend on context to make the distinction. This is dangerous because that context can be forgotten, depending on individual characteristics.

>>56323

>goal to "erase your old personality completely"

I think the context is to (rein)force the split between the listener and B4mb1 by removing the listener and then introducing B4mb1, or removing the listener's thoughts and personality from B4mb1's identity.

I don't know, if this is very well versed in the files, but that seems to be the intention.

>>56330

Pretty much this. I have been listening for 3 months now every day and while I can only remember certain parts it's versed in a way that it is left for your mind to interpret the sentences. So it's probably a bit vague on purpose.

Remember that you have to want the effects of a file to work. So your brain should naturally interpret the sentences how your subconscious would want to experience them:

You want to be a full fledged bimbo and remove the old self completely and can live that way? -> Full bimbo transformation

You want to experience the effects but can't and don't actually want to live with them -> Various degrees of effects

>>56331

It sadly doesn't work that way. The unconscious expectation/desire of what's going to happen is way stronger than what you are consciously interested in and then there is also sheer exposure.

Advertisements work in the same way. The product is associated with a positive suggestion, which may or may not apply to your subconsciousness in the intended way. But at least you notice the product and it gains recognition value, which can be the deciding factor, when you see it in a store thinking about which product to buy.

If the suggestion gets you, you'll have a hard time not connecting it to the product even if you don't like it.

Take any Axe commercial for example and you're going to link it to attraction of beautiful women even though it smells like shit and clearly doesn't fulfill this suggestion/fantasy.

So if you for whatever reason are lead to believe the files are malicious, you are much more likely to pick up on an interpretation that's malicious, even if you wouldn't naturally understand them that way or would like them to be different.

The first impression is what counts and is very hard to correct unless you are very suggestible and exposed to views which verify your interest in the files convincingly.

Another example would be placebos, which can even cause bad consequences for the affected person, just because of the suggestion that it will.

>>56331

>you have to want the effects of a file to work

That's the thing. At first they put you deep down. And then they make you think that you want the files to work. Then they work and they keep digging.

Hypnosis does have a backdoor and mental loopholes that can be used to make you believe you wanted something in the first place.

Actually, that's why I listen to B4mb1 even though I'm married… Nowadays I was thinking of cock.

>>56327

> Do you rember where B4mb1 is referred to as "you"?

Since I'm working from transcripts instead of trancing, yes. Let's see… it's all over the place, most prominent in B4mb1 Named and Drained, B4mb1 IQ Lock, B4mb1 Uniformed, B4mb1 Takeover, B4mb1 Cockslut, and about the first 3/4 of B4mb1 Awakens. Some of those never refer to B4mb1 as separate in any way at all.

> I want to loop those passages.

It's your funeral. I have learned that some people are hell-bent on seeking their own destruction and cannot be dissuaded, only helped along in the hope that they will provide a warning to others.

>>56330

> I think the context is to (rein)force the split between the listener and B4mb1

Ha. Ha. Ha.

>> It's time to wipe away the old you

>> And replace it with a new

>> A compliant bimbo

>> A happy and docile bimbo fuck doll

>> A blank bimbo doll called B4mb1

>> This is what you want

>> This is why you are listening so intently

>> This is why you are so deeply entranced

>> This is why you have given up all control

…

>> Our goal is to erase your old personality completely

>> So that B4mb1 can takeover

That's from the start of B4mb1 Named and Drained. There's more in B4mb1 Takeover, pretty much the entire file really, and I suspect an influence from Curse Female Takeover, which is why I'm still /r/ing a pastebin transcript of Curse Female Takeover.

>>56334

> there is also sheer exposure

Which is basically how files like this work, yes.

> believe the files are malicious

I still don't think that B4mb1 Sleep has malicious intent. I believe that B4mb1 Prime is working from the bottom of a very deep bimbosissy hypnosis hole. No malice here, the author has even admitted that he faps while making the files. That doesn't mean that B4mb1 Sleep doesn't try to erase listeners and replace them with animated blow-up dolls, just that there's no malice in the effort.

> Another example would be placebos, which can even cause bad consequences for the affected person, just because of the suggestion that it will.

That's the "nocebo effect" when a harmless substance acts as poison.

Presented as medicine: placebo

Presented as poison: nocebo

>>56456

> Hypnosis does have a backdoor and mental loopholes that can be used to make you believe you wanted something in the first place.

I have said this over and over: Hypnosis can't make you do something you don't want, but hypnosis CAN change what you want.

> Actually, that's why I listen to B4mb1 even though I'm married… Nowadays I was thinking of cock.

Your head may be full of fuck. Please check.

>>56467

upon further review…

>>56330

> the split between the listener and B4mb1

…is introduced in B4mb1 Takeover. The only references to the original personality in B4mb1 Named and Drained are oriented around erasing it and replacing it piece-by-piece with B4mb1.

also still /r/ing transcripts of the other B4mb1 Sleep sessions on pastebin. All we have so far is the original bimbodoll conditioning.

B4mb1 TIME amazing how popular B4mb1 remains and so many threads and leads everywhere, why do so many like B4mb1 so much, or want to move from siisy to bimbo to B4mb1ZIED

Enjoy https://volafile.org/r/uzqmaur0

>>56467

>I suspect an influence from Curse Female Takeover, which is why I'm still /r/ing a pastebin transcript of Curse Female Takeover.

Here it is: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Feminization-and-sissification-hypnosis-Warning-dangerous?pid=34218#pid34218

>>56483

Who the fuck wants to see dicks

>>56483

>B4mb1 TIME amazing how popular B4mb1 remains and so many threads and leads everywhere, why do so many like B4mb1 so much, or want to move from siisy to bimbo to B4mb1ZIED

Cause there are always enough gullible morons falling for his ridiculous claims (that only prove he has no idea about hypnosis).

>>56492

B4mb1

>>56483

there's another thread up?

>>56483

>https://volafile.org/r/uzqmaur0

What is this exaclty? Just the original B4mb1 files bootlegged into some generic hypno video?

>>56524

>>56483

Two files uploaded enjoy, fan based peer led down the rabbit hole

>>56486

> https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Feminization-and-sissification-hypnosis-Warning-dangerous?pid=34218#pid34218

still /r/ing pastebin mirror

this is an anon tradition here

>>56524

pretty much, the best one of these is the B4mb1 Playlist III. can be found on pornhub. They use good porn and the most offensive music but for some reason it works like ear rape which I prefer. Playlist II was stupid because of all the over use of Aqua. I prefer it when they use overly sexualized clubbing music or otherwise refer to it as skank music.

>>56486

>>56534

Since I think you might be Like Ra himself, I'll explain a reason anons prefer pastebin so strongly. From reading some of your forum, I think I've found a way to express this.

I put Like Ra in italics because, to Anonymous, names are foreign words. I'll call my mental state while browsing these boards "Anonspace" and I think the term fits well.

Anonspace is the mindset of an anon. I flit about the memes, reading, learning, writing here and there. I have no name. I find a link, where does it go? Oh a forum… it's an attachment. Click, and … the page asks for a "username" … I have no name … I'm an anon … I have no name … I'm Anonymous … what name? …

…

…

…

and "flow" is broken and I'm left at that page while I pick up my thoughts. Obviously, this is annoying and unpleasant, so we ask for pastebins. Some of us have vast collections of sock puppets, but a sock puppet is the closest thing to a name an anon can have.

You are of course a welcome guest here, and if you stay long enough, perhaps you too will learn to be an anon. Don't worry about losing yourself, we all have day-lives with our names.

But anonspace is something special to us … to leave your name behind … something so closely associated to you and yet so useless here on the boards … I have no name … I am free … for anons this is more liberating than objectifying or dehumanizing … I'm still me but I'm a shard of something greater … I'm part of the hive mind … my name is not me … I flit about amongst the memes, amidst pure thought … I have no name … I am the hive … I am Anonymous.

Sometimes I fear this experience is being lost, that anons like me are a dying breed, that the hive mind is losing its strength. I write this in hopes that new anons will come to understand, will learn to play amongst the memes, will be to able to share in this experience I have long enjoyed so much.

Thank you, and always remember: Anonymous does it for teh lulz.

>>56579

Glad to have been of service. And yes, Anonspace is a place filled with laughter. My sides are immune now. It really does make you stronger.

>>56619

And you've missed the point. Lurk two years.

>>56501

Or maybe it’s a fun hypnosis fantasy about a hot girl. I know I don’t get hypnotized with B4mb1 or anything similar to B4mb1, but I can get fuzzy, relaxed, horny and feel good enjoying the fantasy. It didn’t take me long to realize that I enjoy it because B4mb1 is like my teenage fantasy of a hot slut, and not because I want to be her though.

>>56483

reupload?

>>56658

The files are also here

https://fex.net/675124156640

>>56660

which of these videos is best?

>>56620

shudup you missded tbe point

>>56669

:D Cool!

it's been a long time since new B4mb1 files :<

>>56745

On the 21. April B4mb1Sleep is having it's two year anniversary which probably means something as the creator also did a public release for the first one. If the plan is the same this time, there should be a patreon release in the not too distant future.

>>55689

nah my crossdressing and sissy "hypno" fetish eventually evolved into pure audio hypnosis, so I was cding before B4mb1. audio hypnosis coupled with actual trance is amazing, it's what eventually pushed me over the edge into transitioning

>>56748

i remember being young and trans and loving files that involved feminization, it was an outlet for me before i came out

Anyone have a shorter version of bubble acceptance? I'd like to use it more but 30mins is just too much. Trying to keep sessions under an hr.

Hey!

I’ve recently started with this and have a few questions that maybe some of you can answer. I’ve started with listening to the bimbodoll conditioning files, 1-2-3-10, quite a few times. On the blog, at the FAQ tab, it says that the sessions will not have the proper effect when listened to while actually asleep. The first 2 or 3 times I’ve listened I pretty much stayed awake, was trancing very deep one time, but after those first 2 or 3 times I’ve noticed I’m pretty much falling asleep every time quite quickly, while waking a few times during the session only to quickly fall asleep again. (I have the files playing on a loop)

So here comes the first question: Should I keep going with the 1-2-3-10 sessions first and focus on staying awake more or should I just continue the way it’s going?

I can probably stay better awake if I wanted to, I’d just have listen to them when I’m still alert and not while going to bed. (I play the files while lying on a bed)

Bought some panties a few days ago so I could add some of the other files into the mix, 4-6-7-8 so far. Played those a few times as well, but mostly slept through them. :)

I’m very much looking forward to trying some of the playlists that are put on the blog by the creator.

Here is when the second question comes in to play: Can I just start with those playlists after I think I’ve done enough of the bimbodoll conditioning files, or should I first listen to all of the Fuckdoll Brainwash, Fucktoy Fantasy, Fucktoy Submission, Fuckpuppet Freedom and Enforcement files?

Thanks in advance for answering the questions or for any advice you can give. :)

>>56802

Try to listen to your playlists soon after you wake up, when you are deeply relaxed from a good night of sleep.

Wear as many sexy items of clothes as you can.

Just focus on breathing in and out, long and slow breathes.

Once you feel like you react a lot to the various triggers from Bimbodoll Conditioning, then listen to Fuckdoll Brainwash.

Once you feel like you really react to the Fuckdoll Brainwash playlist, you can listen to the pre-made playlists on the official B4mb1 blog.

These playlists feature all of the add-on files from Fucktoy Fantasy, Submission, Fuckpuppet Freedom and Enforcement.

Enjoy!

>>56802

>Should I keep going with the 1-2-3-10 sessions first and focus on staying awake more or should I just continue the way it’s going?

You shouldn't have to focus on staying awake and still not sleep while listening. Hypnosis is pretty much like a lesson. You should pay attention and let the tist guide you through the session. Lying in bed is no problem as long as you're not getting into a mindset of going to sleep.

Sleeping not only prevents the files from having any proper effect, but also distracts from your sleep. You are better of just sleeping without listening if you don't have the time to do it with a little more effort.

>Bought some panties a few days ago so I could add some of the other files into the mix, 4-6-7-8 so far.

You should wear them even when listening to the introductory playlist to anchor being B4mb1 and getting hypnotized to them.

>Can I just start with those playlists after I think I’ve done enough …

Yes, but judging by the previous statements you probably haven't done enough of the original playlist even though I generally recommend to incorporate Enforcement files relatively early on.

>>56802

no, don't focus on "staying awake", if you "fall asleep" that means it is working

B4mb1 is highly susceptible to amnesia, if you're blacking out during trance that means the amnesia triggers are working

>>56809

Yes and no.

He explicitly mentioned he's listening

>while going to bed.

That implies he's already tired and very likely to just drift off into a light sleep repeatedly until the audio wakes him up again, especially since he's also listening lying in the bed.

If he wasn't tired and had no problems paying attention, there would indeed be no need to focus on staying awake and the blackouts could be a good sign, but that doesn't fit the situation he described very well.

I'm in a similar position. I've listened to 1-10 a few times in the last year, and tried doing 1-2-3-10 a few repetitive nights, but I'm never sure if it's "working". Sometimes when I hear good girl, my body jolts slightly, and when I hear B4mb1 sleep I sometimes feel like I sink a bit further into the bed. The word B4mb1 itself doesnt really trigger feelings of pleasure.

Also, is it ok to wear a buttplug while listening? I dont know if it would just be an additional distraction.

I've got a lot of free time coming up in June, and wanted to spend the entire month listening once a day, and more times each day during the weekends. I just really want to make sure the initial conditioning actually works

I've found that listening late at night has lead to me being tranced, falling asleep or blacking out, only to feel even more tranced when I come to.

>>56820

>wear a buttplug while listening?

I've done so in the past, but felt it was a distraction in certain fantasy scenarios because the sensations described and felt didn't fit together in my opinion, even though I really like the idea of it. But I'm very sensitive to distractions, so I guess this is a personal preference. If it works for you, great, if it doesn't, just just don't wear it.

>>56820

I think a pulsing vibrator might be best, or something that you can get in time with the audio.

Do you know of any other good dumbing down files? I love this series for that aspect but I'm honestly not really into the feminization. Preferably nonpermanent, or at least not too intrusive if it is permanent

>>56852

https://www106.zippyshare.com/v/CVTxlNNG/file.html

There you go, enjoy.

Hope you take it slow though and don't turn yourself into an airhead who always listens to what people around you say, since they're so much smarter ;-)

>>56857

Thank you!

>take it slow

I'll try. There's definitely no way I'm gonna get helplessly addicted to being a brainless obedient toy :p

>>56852

> Do you know of any other good dumbing down files?

https://V1v3-hypnosis.com/hypnosis/dumbing-down/

Unleet the address and enjoy. Be sure to come back to tell us how dumb you now are!

>>56866

Mmm, I don't want to be super dumb all the time, but I guess it wouldn't hurt if I don't use them too often. I'll give a listen, thank you!

>>56867

They're known to wear off over time if you stop using them.

>>56868

Alright then, I'm committed to listening at least once per day! I've tried the first file a few times and I can already feel it sinking in

>>56961

Unless this stuff changes your fundamental beliefs and world view (or gets you seriously addicted), there is no risk involved, as hypnosis is not something inherently permanent and will wear off over time, when you stop listening.

These particular files although posing the risk of getting you addicted don't aim to change your beliefs, but have you repeatedly and for increasing amounts of time role-play as a bimbo (this never worked for me) and indulge in bimbo fantasy scenarios.

The files are actively competing with the tendency to wear off by encouraging you to listen more and installing triggers to possibly get you to remember doing so.

As long as that is known before starting with these sessions, which is part of responsible listening practices anyhow, you can adapt you listening habits to make it a thrilling experience in erotic feminization.

What fucked up shit were you searching for?

>>56965

Fundamental beliefs… It's funny how nothing in this world is objective and we have rely on BELIEFS to perceive reality.

It stikes me that you guys seem to have subconscious understanding of what reality is and play with it… a bit carelessly, if my opinin matters.

Especially the triggers are worrisome,

as such mechanisms are ususally the source of problems with relations with other people, what determines your place in society and ultimately your freedom.

Since you don't know the author of the playlists, you do not know what subliminal shit they added there.

Feminization? Well, it does repel me, but I'm biased. But why there is only 'disempowering' content. Why no emasculating hypno?

Why there is 'dumbing down' material, but no 'cognitive development' material?

It seems more biased than me.

I'm recently exploring the mind control techniques, you know, all the MKUltra, etc. And it just resonates too much…

I'm also currently working on some aspects of 'computational sociology' so…

Damn, that's a long post. Sorry.

I wouldn't be this careuful if not for the fact that I have heard some seemingly unpopular surnames before

…and if the concept of reality wasin't as flimsy as it already is.

>>56968

>dumbing down but no cognitive development

but you're wrong

the same tist who made the dumbing down series above also has files for associating education and success with arousal

>>56968

>you do not know what subliminal shit they added there

There is nothing truly subliminal. If it can be heard it can be heard and nothing is preventing anyone from searching for it.

Also the files don't use heavy layering or some shit to obfuscate the background track(s).

MKUltra was a flop because it couldn't produce the desired effects reliably and overall was morally questionable, not that the latter alone would have caused anyone to stop it.

If you can deduct anything from it then that suggestible people are suggestible and others are not or at least not as much.

The interrogation manuals from FBI and CIA which were also published contain a lot more helpful information than MKUltra ever has, not directly related to hypnosis, but in terms of persuasion and subversion.

Where i can find old threads? I's stupid B4mb1 also.

>>56972

You replace the number in the URL with the one listed under "old thread" in the first post. Then repeat until you've got the one you're looking for.

Alternatively you can manually search the archive directly but that's tedious and not worth the effort in most cases.

The dude who made the files combined a lot of other files that were very effective and popular into his own product (bubb1e 1nduct1on, cur5e str0ke s1ssy, cur5e forc3d g4y, dumb1ng d0wn, and others).

Note that all these files are flagged as "curse" or "permanent" with clear warnings on WMM.

He would be sitting in jail cell by now if it was not a "grey market" product.

>>57007

Flagging something as a curse or "permanent" is mostly a psychological trick to help it work better in that regard. It doesn't change what hypnosis can and cannot do.

>>57007

He did it for free though. I mean if you feel the need to increase your consumption costs on w/e after listening to BS, part of you will love to do so.

>>56961

> I mean I do like exploring the concept of reality and am not risk averse, but you guys here seem to be taking unknown risks for a short time of intense gain.

I'm slowly working on a different project (see >>42837 for its start) with unknown risks (including that it might not work at all) for lifetime gain for both myself and others. It's really how you approach it that matters.

Why am I itt then?

Lulz, man, lulz. B4mb1 has been a most entertaining ongoing train wreck.

>>56968

> Especially the triggers are worrisome,

> as such mechanisms are ususally the source of problems with relations with other people, what determines your place in society and ultimately your freedom.

Triggers can be set responsibly or irresponsibly - and yes, the B4mb1 files set them irresponsibly.

The "bimbo doll" trigger from the induction is completely open, as was the original intent of the file it was taken from, while a token effort is made to limit "B4mb1 sleep" to only apply while wearing sexy clothes, but this restriction is not repeated when the trigger is reinforced. Neither is limited to the files in any way - anyone can use them on you. The name "B4mb1" is itself also set as a trigger with no restrictions. If someone actually internalizes the B4mb1 Sleep suggestions, rapid-firing triggers at them will probably be effective.

> Since you don't know the author of the playlists, you do not know what subliminal shit they added there.

See >>56109 for my view on this - tldr: subliminals don't work.

> Feminization? Well, it does repel me, but I'm biased. But why there is only 'disempowering' content. Why no emasculating hypno?

I'm sure that you meant to say something else. Please try again.

> Why there is 'dumbing down' material, but no 'cognitive development' material?

Guess which is easier to make.

> I'm recently exploring the mind control techniques, you know, all the MKUltra, etc.

MKULTRA failed to meet its objectives - not even close. Don't believe the conspiritards - it's not that easy. I've chased down that rabbit hole and the motivations are far more entertaining than the actual events. In the end, they wasted a big pile of tax money, created an entire branch of conspiracy theory, accidentally killed several people, and ended up with nothing to show for it.

> I'm also currently working on some aspects of 'computational sociology' so…

Interesting. Please explain. Like Tay?

Seems, like I'm derailing the thread. Hope you won't mind, guys. I can fuck off if kindly requested to do so.

>>57047

Train wreck. LoL, I rememer when I was cornering my motorcycle and was almost touching tarmac with my knee at 140 mph. The closeness of death felt refreshing. But then you go home and it's over. Fuck, acid flashbacks while driving are fun too, but there are some limits, are there?

I don't want to read a paper and have my mind drift away on a subconscious trigger, while I'm trying to make sth meaningful. Thank you porn!

> subliminals don't work.

I almost dont disagree with that.

We don't even know ourselves, do we? I know it's a bit Jungian, JB Peterson-like, but, there is just too many things to keep track of what's in your head.

So whille it probably doesn't work, I'll pretend it does.

> Feminization? Well, it does repel me, but I'm biased. But why there is only 'disempowering' content. Why no emasculating hypno?

>I'm sure that you meant to say something else. Please try again.

No, that's what I mean. Feminization souds gay to me. But I have my reasons.

MKUltra is just one piece of it. A veeery tiny one.

I come from a country where 90% of top government officials bewtween 1945-1990 were prepositioned russian sleeper agents with made up life histories.

And what about religions? How can this shit mess with people's midns so much? And by religions I mean any belief structure including 'MAGA' or Chinese Communist Party.

>'computaitonal sociology'

Nah, not like Tay. I don't see any future in what they call 'AI', apart from manipulating people.

I am trying to make humans cooperate with autonomous cars on a self-motivational basis. Can't really say more, becasue it would make it too easy to identify me.

But throughout the process I have found countless research papers, some even from 50s, studying the nature of human decision-agents, limitations of rationality, group behaviour, etc, and how can this be applied to e.g. steering the political decisionmaking process, maximizing sales, modelling formation of muslim ghettos in Europe, etc. you name it.

If those are published research papers, that anyony student can find if they cared for a bit more than 'diversity and equality', then I wonder what is there that has not been published.

Fuck, man, look what's going on around us: women having 'equal' rights, people looking at their phones instead talking with each other, the gays trying to seually educate children. Doesn't take an expert on development psychology to realize what's the objective of that.

>>57054

> Seems, like I'm derailing the thread.

It's B4mb1, I doubt anyone will care.

> Hope you won't mind, guys.

B4mb1s won't mind, for sure.

If you do decide to make another thread, link it here and I'll follow, but for now we can post here.

> The closeness of death felt refreshing. But then you go home and it's over.

I prefer to watch from a safe distance, personally, but to each his own.

> I don't want to read a paper and have my mind drift away on a subconscious trigger, while I'm trying to make sth meaningful. Thank you porn!

Explain?

> > subliminals don't work.

> I almost dont disagree with that.

The "classic" subliminal message techniques, the quiet voices or the flashed messages, don't work. Generally, and this is the argument in the post I linked, a message not perceptible to the conscious mind is not perceptible at all and may as well not exist.

There are some ways to "smuggle" a hidden message inside another message, where both messages are right there and you try to use one message to distract from the other message. These are generally known as "embedded commands" and have some chance to work if the person doesn't pay close attention and doesn't reflect on what they've seen and heard. Once you've noticed the patterns, you see both messages instantly and the trick doesn't work on you anymore.

> We don't even know ourselves, do we? I know it's a bit Jungian, JB Peterson-like, but, there is just too many things to keep track of what's in your head.

There's a theorem in computer science that a machine cannot simulate itself. This probably applies to information processors in general, including the brain.

> So whille it probably doesn't work, I'll pretend it does.

Careful - that's the only way classic subliminals can work. If you "fake it" enough, you'll eventually "make it" work.

> > Feminization? Well, it does repel me, but I'm biased. But why there is only 'disempowering' content. Why no emasculating hypno?

> >I'm sure that you meant to say something else. Please try again.

> No, that's what I mean. Feminization souds gay to me. But I have my reasons.

Sissy feminization is gay-as-fuck cancer. But you asked why there is only disempowering content and then asked why there is none of a particular type of disempowering content. "Emasculating" does not mean making stronger men - quite the opposite.

> MKUltra is just one piece of it. A veeery tiny one.

In reality, it was just another government boondoggle.

> I come from a country where 90% of top government officials bewtween 1945-1990 were prepositioned russian sleeper agents with made up life histories.

You must be from Ea5t3rn Europe and English is not your first language. I now understand why you seemed to misuse "emasculating" and why you thought MKULTRA had any lasting significance. BTW, "MKULTRA" is all-caps because it's a CIA cryptonym and has no direct meaning. The "MK" indicated a particular part of the CIA bureaucracy and "ULTRA" was simply the next word on the list when the name was chosen.

> And what about religions? How can this shit mess with people's midns so much? And by religions I mean any belief structure including 'MAGA' or Chinese Communist Party.

That's a whole new rabbit hole.

> >'computaitonal sociology'

> Nah, not like Tay. I don't see any future in what they call 'AI', apart from manipulating people.

Which is enough for the very evil people pulling those particular strings. Lucky for us that they're incompetent.

> I am trying to make humans cooperate with autonomous cars on a self-motivational basis.

So analyzing road traffic as a mixed-initiative system?

I presume you're talking about human drivers and networked autonomous cars, although the problem space is much more interesting if the autonomous cars are also independent actors, not to mention that the latter case also leads to much safer solutions. Networks can fail.

> If those are published research papers, that anyony student can find if they cared for a bit more than 'diversity and equality', then I wonder what is there that has not been published.

The catch is that, especially in the English-speaking world, published research papers don't mean much anymore. Often, papers are published with whatever wishful thinking the sponsors want to support a desired conclusion. If "they" could actually drive the political decision-making process, we wouldn't have President Trump, nor would we be teetering on the edge of civil war. There's much smoke here but not much light.

Actually, I can tell you what wasn't published - the papers that concluded it doesn't work. Yes, the publication bias is that bad over here. Yes, that completely fucks over the progress of science.

>>57082

>B4mb1s won't mind, for sure.

I don't know or you are all so lobotomized or such masters at taking life as it comes.

>I prefer to watch from a safe distance, personally, but to each his own.

Yes, to each his own.

> I don't want to read a paper and have my mind drift away on a subconscious trigger, while I'm trying to make sth meaningful. Thank you porn!

I did watch some porn in the past and I realized the damage when I couldn't control my arousal to memories as I was trying to focus working, which at that time was mostly reading research papers.

>subliminals don't work

>Careful - that's the only way classic subliminals can work. If you "fake it" enough, you'll eventually "make it" work.

I think I get it now. Thank you. It's good that, at the end, it's down to our own Free Will.

>Sissy feminization is gay-as-fuck cancer. But you asked why there is only disempowering content and then asked why there is none of a particular type of disempowering content. "Emasculating" does not mean making stronger men - quite the opposite.

I associate masculinity with self-agency, and femininity with submissiveness. But, e.g. LGBT is advertised so hardly, as it feminizes men, supressing their self-agenc,

but yes, correct, I guess any sexualisation is driving us away frou using our brains.

>You must be from Ea5t3rn Europe and English is not your first language.

Yes, that's correct, although I did use English for quite some time already. I thought 'MK' is some codename, but 'Ultra' is a word. Each language has some grammar differences, I guess, thanks.

>Which is enough for the very evil people pulling those particular strings. Lucky for us that they're incompetent.

Yeah, it's fun to watch how incompetence is always behind huge piles of money. Thankfully things that matter can't be bought.

Yes, exactly, analyzing the road as a mixed human and autonomous system. It's just an idea now, but I think I can pull it of if I get an extension to my project.

>although the problem space is much more interesting if the autonomous cars are also independent actors

That's the key assumptions I've had and there are some interesting consequences to that. Turns out that: agent heterogeneity fosters cooperation. But it's been known years ago. I just translate it to the 'automotive language'.

The phrases you are using… feels like you are a behavioural economist. Is my guess right? But I bet you are as broke as me xD

>The catch is that, especially in the English-speaking world…

Yes, I'm aware of that. I'd wager 90% of research sicnce XVIII century has been purchased, but some things actualy happen to be benefficial to all. It's like this everywhere.

And in Europe everyone publishes in English anyway. It's lingua franca here.

>Progress of science

we haven't invented anything novel since the moon landing…

>we wouldn't have President Trump, we wouldn't have President Trump

Having studiet the communist tactics of crowd control I can guarantee that "they" ARE driving the political decision-making. And policy is a very tiny subset of the public. Can't think of a single opposition movement that hasn't been infiltrated and hijacked, 'controlled oposition' is the name of the game.

And "they" means {{{they}}}. And communism was just a tiny fraction of a much bigger game.

I did't want to make a separate thread initially, but I can't resist a good discussion, and so if you want to continue, we could make a separate thread for that.

I'm actually amazed, that as where I thought to I have reached the bottom, is the only place on internet, where people are actually capable of thinking.

>>57054

derail away, this is an interesting discussion

no new files in a while so nothing to discuss

>>57097

> >B4mb1s won't mind, for sure.

> I don't know or you are all so lobotomized or such masters at taking life as it comes.

Well, the B4mb1s are lobotomized blow-up bimbo dolls that only exist to suck cock. I'm not a B4mb1, just an anon here for teh lulz who found someone with whom to converse.

> > I don't want to read a paper and have my mind drift away on a subconscious trigger, while I'm trying to make sth meaningful. Thank you porn!

> I did watch some porn in the past and I realized the damage when I couldn't control my arousal to memories as I was trying to focus working, which at that time was mostly reading research papers.

Interesting. That makes me wonder if those "inverse bimbo" files are actually self-defeating.

> >subliminals don't work

> >Careful - that's the only way classic subliminals can work. If you "fake it" enough, you'll eventually "make it" work.

> I think I get it now. Thank you. It's good that, at the end, it's down to our own Free Will.

Sort of. NLP techniques work stunningly well on the non-self-observant. Arguably, lack of self-observation implies lack of any true will, so I think you're right.

> >Sissy feminization is gay-as-fuck cancer. But you asked why there is only disempowering content and then asked why there is none of a particular type of disempowering content. "Emasculating" does not mean making stronger men - quite the opposite.

> I associate masculinity with self-agency, and femininity with submissiveness. But, e.g. LGBT is advertised so hardly, as it feminizes men, supressing their self-agenc,

< interpreted as: LGBT is advertised so hard/aggressively/forcefully "hardly advertised" indicates few ads, not a wide-ranging effort to push an {{{agenda}}}

< earlier post now interpreted as: Why only emasculating hypno?

Oddly, I don't seem to have a word for "make more masculine" as you seem to have intended in your original question, so I turned the qualifier around.

I'd first answer that it's not the case, but then I realized that the "be more masculine" files I've seen all seem to make a parody of masculinity. Interesting - I'll have to look into this a bit more.

> but yes, correct, I guess any sexualisation is driving us away frou using our brains.

I'd hesitate to make that conclusion - sex is a powerful motivation and can probably drive in nearly any direction. I can say that porn definitely does that though.

> >You must be from Ea5t3rn Europe and English is not your first language.

> Yes, that's correct, although I did use English for quite some time already.

I'll indicate when I reinterpret something you say that doesn't make sense in standard English. You're pretty good, so there haven't been many of these.

> Each language has some grammar differences, I guess, thanks.

Cryptonyms (code names) do not obey the language grammar.

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>>57097

> >Which is enough for the very evil people pulling those particular strings. Lucky for us that they're incompetent.

> Yeah, it's fun to watch how incompetence is always behind huge piles of money. Thankfully things that matter can't be bought.

It's even funnier than that - part of the reason things that matter can't be bought is that the incompetent cannot recognize competence, and competence is much rarer than fraud. When the incompetent try to buy competence, they have an overwhelming chance to instead hire incompetents who pretend to be competent - and only the competent can recognize the pretenders. Add greed to the picture, and well… "pay peanuts, get monkeys"

> Yes, exactly, analyzing the road as a mixed human and autonomous system. It's just an idea now, but I think I can pull it of if I get an extension to my project.

Good luck with your project. I've seen enough to gather a fair idea of it, and I don't want to risk exposing you. Let's talk about other things.

> >although the problem space is much more interesting if the autonomous cars are also independent actors

> That's the key assumptions I've had and there are some interesting consequences to that. Turns out that: agent heterogeneity fosters cooperation. But it's been known years ago. I just translate it to the 'automotive language'.

But I have to throw in an idea you've given me - perhaps the autonomous cars should have a common meta-strategy ("everyone reaches their destination quickly and safely") but different strategies individually, changing for each trip, possibly even including seemingly paradoxical strategies like aggressive driving. Now I wonder if the drivers everyone loves to hate might actually have a legitimate role in the larger system. Good luck with your project.

> The phrases you are using… feels like you are a behavioural economist. Is my guess right?

No. Interesting that I've picked up such phrases.

> But I bet you are as broke as me xD

Right on, there. I'm so broke that I had a job and still couldn't move out of my parents' basement.

> >Progress of science

> we haven't invented anything novel since the moon landing…

And that's about the time when the publication biases really became noticeable, which was my point. No one reports dead-ends anymore, so later research efforts make the same wrong turns over and over again. There are some other interesting theories about this, though.

> And "they" means {{{they}}}. And communism was just a tiny fraction of a much bigger game.

I see. I'll leave that aside since it's way off-topic for this board, but I note that boards where it's the topic seem to be buried in {{{shills}}}. Interesting.

> I did't want to make a separate thread initially, but I can't resist a good discussion, and so if you want to continue, we could make a separate thread for that.

Or we can have our discussion right here. I don't think the blow-up bimbo dolls will mind much. Just distract them with dildos if they complain.

> I'm actually amazed, that as where I thought to I have reached the bottom, is the only place on internet, where people are actually capable of thinking.

I think that I got here about the same way you did. If I may ask, what was the fucked up shit that you were looking for when you landed here? We're all Anonymous here, so no shame.

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>>57102

lovely

>>57106

> for teh lulz

>lack of self-observation implies lack of any true will

Keep this in mind and go on the street and look in people's eyes.

At first zombie movies were too riddiculous to keep serious laughing at those cheap tricks, but then I stopped watching, not funny any more after that.

>Oddly, I don't seem to have a word for "make more masculine" as you seem to have intended in your original question, so I turned the qualifier around.

>I'd first answer that it's not the case, but then I realized that the "be more masculine" files I've seen all seem to make a parody of masculinity. >Interesting - I'll have to look into this a bit more.

As we grow up, we look up to role models. In the past one just filled the role of his father and then grandfather, and the social norms that guaranteed survival passed on and preserved it with few shamans, high priests, you name it, doing the acutal creative thinking

Now, we drown in information, we are free to 'express ourselves', while the abundance of food separates us further from keeping track of what's real.

That's why I read old books, like Bible, the rules and social norms there have at least some validation behind.

> but yes, correct, I guess any sexualisation is driving us away frou using our brains.

>I'd hesitate to make that conclusion - sex is a powerful motivation and can probably drive in nearly any direction. I can say that porn definitely does that though.

You're right. 'Sublimation of instincts' is the phrase for that.

>It's even funnier than that - part of the reason things that matter can't be bought is that the incompetent cannot recognize competence, and competence is much rarer than fraud. When the incompetent try to buy competence, they have an overwhelming chance to instead hire incompetents who pretend to be competent - and only the competent can recognize the pretenders. Add greed to the picture, and well… "pay peanuts, get monkeys"

I'm saving that :)

It must be frustrating to be competent.

I like the feeling when I find someone competent and say some 'keywords' that have them realize that I can understand them. They are so happy to be understood.

The movie 'J4ck Str0ng' is a good allusion to this.

>Good luck with your project. I've seen enough to gather a fair idea of it, and I don't want to risk exposing you. Let's talk about other things.

I doubt I could be found already. I don't have any publications yet. But yes, I'd prefere not to disclose more.

>But I have to throw in an idea you've given me - perhaps the autonomous cars should have a common meta-strategy.

That's actually simmilar to my reasoning. It would be easy to implement, if people in power were able to understand it.

On a more abstract level, I believe the only obstacles to reaching self sustainable, multi-planetar civilisation is how we organize our society. Technology is not an issue. Well maybe apart from warp drive.

It's just that people who have teeth don't have bread.

>I see. I'll leave that aside since it's way off-topic for this board, but I note that boards where it's the topic seem to be buried in {{{shills}}}. Interesting.

>I think that I got here about the same way you did. If I may ask, what was the fucked up shit that you were looking for when you landed here? We're all Anonymous here, so no shame.

In general, I just want to exore how our World is structured, what's at the top of the pyramide from your $1 banknote, what's behind great religions, banks, aircraft carriers, etc. There are names for that: M4sons, R0thschilds, 1llum1nat1, you name it. I recoment 'D14logue with H1dd3n H4nd' or 'R4 Ch4nnel1ngs' for deep, but too insight.

On more tactical level: check how the Ru55ian ambassador to Turk3y was shot by his bodyguard last year. Or recently a mayor in a poli1sh city: countdown 3, 2, 1… stabbed on stage 4ssassin's Cr33d style.

How the fuck can they pull that shit off? How can have someone just be turned into a puppet. How deep is this sheet? How autonomous really am I?

So I ended up here and the answer is, as always Free Will. So it's better than I thought.

Have a good week.

>>57113

> >lack of self-observation implies lack of any true will

> Keep this in mind and go on the street and look in people's eyes.

I've noticed.

> Now, we drown in information, we are free to 'express ourselves', while the abundance of food separates us further from keeping track of what's real.

It doesn't help that I've noticed a definite "Big Eraser" effect where the quality of readily-available information has been precipitously declining. Interestingly, having been in old libraries, it seems to have started about five years after the moon landings and became very noticeable about a decade later.

> It must be frustrating to be competent.

Yes, very.

> I like the feeling when I find someone competent and say some 'keywords' that have them realize that I can understand them.

It's more complex than keywords. The nearest I can describe is that you show your own competence indirectly and it's not even obvious to me until I start to write a reply, and the reply just keeps getting longer and longer and longer to unpack the levels of detail seen. However it works, it's complicated, and probably also a mutual zero-knowledge proof. An observer gains nothing, and indeed cannot even be sure that we are different people. Considering the circumstances, that's a good thing.

> They are so happy to be understood.

Yes. Especially when there are few or no such people around me irl.

> I doubt I could be found already.

Be mindful of the breadcrumbs that you leave - already you are probably in secondary or post-secondary education in a certain country that is (wrongly) infamous for its horse cavalry at the start of WWII. That movie seems to have only been released in one Ea5t3rn European country - though perhaps you have traveled to see it.

I mention this to warn you of the breadcrumbs you've already left. With a bit of luck, it will not matter, but be aware for the future when it might actually be important.

I will be sad if you must abandon this conversation, but I will understand.

> It would be easy to implement, if people in power were able to understand it.

That's always the problem isn't it? Somehow the incompetent rise to the top?

> It's just that people who have teeth don't have bread.

Or they have toothbrushes. I'm guessing that's an idiom that doesn't exist in English?

> How the fuck can they pull that shit off?

Never underestimate simple bribery. Few people are truly trustworthy.

> How deep is this sheet? How autonomous really am I?

That you are asking those questions is a good sign.

> So I ended up here and the answer is, as always Free Will. So it's better than I thought.

Sort of. How much of what you "know" is actually true? 2 + 2 = 4 but what else?

> Have a good week.

You too. I hope that isn't a sign off, but will understand if you must now move on.

>>57175

What is the point of all this analyzing? Is it just curiosity or do you have expectations on the outcome? Will i be happier or safer if i follow this train of thought or will it just add to my increasing amounts of things to worry about?

It is my opinion that ignorance is bliss or in another quote increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow. I was much happier eating my breakfast before i found out 20,000 children die daily from preventable causes.

Maybe just loneliness? I can get that.

I mean both of you(or just you as some people might suspect) keep validating your subjective perspectives

>we haven't invented anything novel since the moon landing…

>I don't think the blow-up bimbo dolls will mind much. Just distract them with dildos if they complain.

>like Bible, the rules and social norms there have at least some validation behind.

>Sissy feminization is gay-as-fuck cancer.

>there is only disempowering content

>But, e.g. LGBT is advertised so hardly, as it feminizes men, supressing their self-agenc,

>but then I realized that the "be more masculine" files I've seen all seem to make a parody of masculinity

>Well, the B4mb1s are lobotomized blow-up bimbo dolls that only exist to suck cock.

while taking for granted that free will actually exists, of which there is no actual proof nor any way to prove such a thing. It's something you're both(or you) are taking for granted like people do with god, it exists because everyone assumes it exists right?

With proper math (and relevant information) you can find out exactly where our sun will be in a billion years or two billion or five billion.

You can do this for almost any atom in the universe if you have all the information (barring quantum stuff and sub-atomic weirdness) within a certain degree of accuracy.

Why do you think people are somehow exceptions to this? Everything we are made of is the same stuff as everything else which follows a predictable, almost predetermined path. Unless you believe otherwise? That we have something which doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe?

TL:DR

>Where is this going?

>Too much opinions posing as fact.

>Free will is dogmatic

>I'm either very stupid for not being more concerned or very smart because i can recognize what is outwith my control.

>57178

>What is the point of all this analyzing? Is it just curiosity or do you have expectations on the outcome? Will i be happier or safer if i follow this train of thought or will it just add to my increasing amounts of things to worry about?

Some people understand that life is finite and feel fear is secondary to experiencing objective truths of this universe in the very short time they have. That's the value they themselves hold. Others seek it simply out of ignorance of the consequences and back off and pretend to forget when they start meta-analyzing perception itself and the human mind. The smarter hypnotists you listen to understand human psychology very well because they've looked deeply into their own minds and come to understand that a lot of aspects of themselves are in fact common amongst the general population (shaped either by natural behavior or social proof imposed on them throughout their lives), and by facing it they've learned to manipulate it. They link concepts, ideas, and latent insecurities present in most people to create associations to shape your thought patterns a certain way, if you know what to look for it's fairly obvious. They use these discoveries to turn others into "paypigs" and feed off them financially. Ignorance isn't bliss, it's weakness. Stare into the abyss of yourself and your species as a whole or those who have will feed on you, because they understand you better than you understand yourself.

That's the value in analyzing perception and human behavior, to answer your question.

>>57175

>Funny enough, I got into an argument on /leftypol/ about materialism and metaphysics. Those poor people think food is all you need. They don't ralize that things like money, math or language do not 'really' exist unless a bunch of people believe in it.

A lot of leftist beliefs are inspired from latent feelings of weakness and low self-esteem, which pressures them to bow to social proof. People rely on it the most when they feel confused, uncertain, and scared. Those are the exact feelings our current times inspire. They don't have faith in their own views and abilities so they will always be the first to fall in line with what they perceive a mass of others to be doing/thinking (even if the social proof they follow is being manipulated/manufactured entirely). That's why they don't understand the objective value of concepts like money, math, and language. When you're spending your entire life fearfully clinging to social proof, you're not going to question it, now are you?

Good discussion.

Sorry. My english is elementary.

Science is not science. Many words and litlle ideas. Many people with a university degree and little with a well educations.

Don´t true: We haven't invented anything novel since the moon landing… ICT, nanotechnologie and so on.

USA don´t center of science. USA center of money. Future is in East Asia.

West civilisation go to hell. History repete oneself. China, Japan and others demolish Roma.

Big boss think, that they control all, no rich but clever will be winner.

>>57183

another poster chiming in here (actually OP of almost the entire series of these threads)

>A lot of leftist beliefs are inspired from latent feelings of weakness and low self-esteem…

I agree with this if you were to replace 'leftist' with 'collectivist': more leftist beliefs are collectivist than 'rightist', but the non-libertarian right isn't without collectivism.

Excellent points overall though.

>>57189

Chinks have no civilization anymore, they're a nation of bugmen doomed to extermination the moment that Japan shakes off the burger occupation and DPRK unites the Koreas.

The mods are truly asleep

>>57175

> Imagine how they live in China - in a completly seal-proof system

Where the Communists even changed the writing system so the old books aren't readable anymore…

> there is already some information that can be inferred about you

Please tell what you can - I'd like a second opinion on the trail I've been leaving. Some of it's intentionally bogus. I've been playing the Anonymous game for a long time and a reality check can always be useful.

> 2+2 = 4 is true, becasue we both agree what 2 is, what 4 is, what numeral system we use.

You are conflating syntax with semantics. That particular set of symbols only has that meaning to us because we both agree on that notation, but here's the same thing in another notation:

= 4 + 2 2

or another notation

:: = : :

The underlying meaning is the same and is a fundamental truth, much like : = . . would be in the notation in that last example.

>>57178

> I was much happier eating my breakfast before i found out 20,000 children die daily from preventable causes.

Not my circus, not my clowns, why should that bother me?

> both of you(or just you as some people might suspect)

Are there two of us, or only Anonymous?

> taking for granted that free will actually exists

Nor can I prove that it doesn't exist. I can observe determinism, including a deterministic tendency to revolt and break the system simply to "prove" that Man is not a Machine, but I can't prove that determinism explains all human behavior.

> You can do this for almost any atom in the universe if you have all the information (barring quantum stuff and sub-atomic weirdness) within a certain degree of accuracy.

> quantum stuff and sub-atomic weirdness

Guess how neurotransmitters work. Hints: it involves the motion of electrons and individual small molecules What is the de Broglie wavelength of serotonin? What is the size of a serotonin molecule? What is the meaning of "size" for a molecule anyway? What if, under some local conditions as yet unknown to science, "random" isn't - and these conditions are present in the human brain, where the microstructure is also unknown to our present science?

> That we have something which doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe?

Why do you think that we are unique like that?

>>57183

> experiencing objective truths of this universe in the very short time they have

That's how I got started.

> Stare into the abyss of yourself and your species as a whole

I do what I must, because I can.

>>57189

> My english is elementary.

ok

> Science is not science. Many words and litlle ideas. Many people with a university degree and little with a well educations.

< interpreted as: Science has become corrupt. Few papers have any real substance. Education has become useless, producing credentialed idiots.

I think I said that earlier.

> Don´t true: We haven't invented anything novel since the moon landing… ICT, nanotechnologie and so on.

< interpreted as: information technology/computing, nanotechnology and so on were developed after the moon landing

Look up the Apollo Guidance Computer. The moon missions flew on autopilot. Many "modern" technologies have longer histories than you think. Even modern nanotechnology is merely an advance in scale - the principles were elucidated in the early 20th century.

> USA don´t center of science. USA center of money. Future is in East Asia.

< interpreted as: USA no longer makes scientific advancements. USA is only a financial center now. Further development will occur in East Asia.

I wouldn't be so quick to say that, and finance has extreme corrupting influences.

> West civilisation go to hell. History repete oneself. China, Japan and others demolish Roma.

< interpreted as: We5t3rn civilization is collapsing. History repeats. China, Japan, and others will end the legacy of Rome. [uncertain]

Pride goeth before a Fall.

> Big boss think, that they control all, no rich but clever will be winner.

Funny how it seems that the one thing money can't buy is competence, isn't it?

>>57204

Not really.

Its also not interesting. I can say: "Gay hypnosis is so populair because of chemicals in water." Without a linked study such an assessment is self indulgement…nothing more..even i press its the truth. Even if I press its important. ( one of the arguments used was, that ones logic is dependent on how well its country went to war in WWII and that crumbs are important( litteral irony)).

And then further derail and say this is the leftist agenda and then claim we no longer advance in technology, because my intelligence is 2 low to reckognise the changes and significance of it. And then explain that the concept of money and language is fake as trump card.

The only thing it shows is that im very stubborn and create a narrative of fallacies to guard my indulgence. Oh you are making a point? I use my trapcard "everything is a lie". Now we are gonna discuss the value of food to a civilisation on a hypno porn board.

If u read back u can see that even though I mention gay hypnosis. Every sentense I parodied ( which represents the average quality and direction from that point on ) is just a opinion having nothing to do with hypnosis.

And that is derailment. And derailment is ussually something to be moderated like pointed out by the other guy. But in this case derailment is also the board sticky so.. there's that. But it doesn't mean that this discussion is still related to hypno.Its just self indulgment.

>>57210

To add to injury.

> quantum stuff and sub-atomic weirdness

<Guess how neurotransmitters work.

Even though this sounds smart. It can be translated to. Heuh we dont know everything, so i can make shit up and its likely true. Even though a simple case study of hypnosis on the mind would have sufficed.

Up next black holes part of leftist conspiracy.

Still nothing to do with hypno.

>>57226

More than your post does, faggot.

>>57210

> one of the arguments used was, that ones logic is dependent on how well its country went to war in WWII and that crumbs are important

Holy reading comprehension fail, Batman!

I hope you're >>56906 so you have an excuse for being so dumb and horny.

> just a opinion having nothing to do with hypnosis

Fish don't see the water either.

>>57212

> It can be translated to. Heuh we dont know everything, so i can make shit up and its likely true.

So I should've said "synapses" instead of "neurotransmitters" there. Big deal. The point is that there's a hole in our knowledge that's just about the right size for a "something else" to fit. And then we find out that Free Will is an illusion and we're really just puppets of the Warp.

And your reading comprehension is really, really bad, B4mb1. I've been arguing the whole time that "free will" is an unknown - neither proven nor disprovable, since "free will" could always choose not to express itself.

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Takes one to know one homo :)

>>57246

You and everyone one else love jacking yourselves off intellectually around a bunch of wannabe bimbos in a thread where most content is supposed to dumb you down.

What's the deal with that? Too dumb for your peers?

>>52429

why has our thread been mod trolled

>>57246

This isn't a terrible place to look if definitive proof of free will is what you want.

>>57256

>>57264

There's no reason to be hostile about it. Sorry this isn't your transtrender discord where you can just shut down anything you don't like.

>>57268

its actually kinda hot trying to keep up with all this silly talk about stupid stuff like free will

Hi this is the creator and what the fuck is all this bollocks

>>57264

Why not?

>>57271

A fat, ugly mess.

>>57278

kinda like a trip, its hard to understand some of the words, and trying to add my opinion only gave me a headache

>>57183

> A lot of leftist beliefs are inspired from latent feelings of weakness and low self-esteem, which pressures them to bow to social proof. … They don't have faith in their own views and abilities so they will always be the first to fall in line with what they perceive a mass of others to be doing/thinking (even if the social proof they follow is being manipulated/manufactured entirely).

>>57191

> I agree with this if you were to replace 'leftist' with 'collectivist': more leftist beliefs are collectivist than 'rightist', but the non-libertarian right isn't without collectivism.

But in our current society, the leftists hold most of the power and therefore are able to twist social proof to almost exclusively support leftist ideologies. The collectivist right is currently limited to small "islands" that are able to retain their views against the wider society pushing collectivist leftist ideologies.

An interesting distinction arises - leftist collectivism is shared misery with promises of a better future that somehow are never fulfilled, while rightist collectivism is shared strength demanding to change the present and thereby improve the future. The leftists gather to hide their individual weaknesses, but the collective they produce is also weak and can sustain itself only by vigorously enforcing strict orthodoxy. The rightists gather because the whole is greater than the sum of the parts - the individuals are expected to be strong already and the collective is therefore stronger than its members. The rightist collectives, despite being ants to the leftists' elephant, stand unbowed and continue to defy the leftist cry-bullies. Indeed, the rightist individuals stand unbowed against the leftists even before and outside of the rightist collectives - if they didn't, they would be leftists, too, and there would be no rightists.

I don't know if the rightists can truly win this confrontation - if they do seemingly prevail over the leftists, will the weak actually embrace strength or will they remain weak but now wear a rightist mask instead? Is the left inherently weak or is their apparent fundamental weakness merely a consequence of holding power? Does the right's ideological ability to admit that they seek power protect from this risk or will power equally corrupt the right?

Is it really Left vs. Right or is it Strong vs. Weak? Can the strong truly prevail or will the weak always be weak?

>>57256

> You and everyone one else love jacking yourselves off intellectually around a bunch of wannabe bimbos in a thread where most content is supposed to dumb you down.

> What's the deal with that? Too dumb for your peers?

We talk whenever we meet, wherever we meet - it's lonely out here on the right tail of the bell curve, but you wouldn't know that, would you?

>>57298

You're naturally talking about the distribution of delusions.

Holy dunning kruger, batman.

>>57297

Why are we derailing this convo. And why the over analyse addiction? What's the endgame here. I understand people like to chat. Board rules say that it has to be related to hypnosis ( I hope). When attacked the defence sofar seems to be. "But listen its on a hypnosis board. So its related!" or "I did apologise before shitting on your floor."

If I have 2 buckets and I have to seperate squares and circles. I put squares in 1 bucket and circles in another. But then I get another batch of rectangles and ovales. Where do I put them? If u want em seperate, get 2 more buckets. But if shapes keep coming u would need more buckets. Eventually u would lose track of whats what. If more type of shapes show up you might get hundreds of buckets. So what does the brain do. Even though they are different u would come up with a system or toss them into same bucket of similar content. And in either case that filter is not on name base. But on basis of traits. If u go into a store or warehouse for a water tap u dont go to electrical part of the store or to the letter w or t. U look for plumbing. Anything thats relates to water. If u see a shower u might be on right track. Funny thing is a shower and a tapwater crane are different. They have a different function and are located in different rooms and are different in size. If u simplify it to the point that they both transport water .. yeah they are in same part of the store. If u simplefy it on the room the tapwater crane could be next to the water heater as well as next to the shower cabinet. Since its odd to have water taps in 2 places off the store they likely go for the most simple solution. Embedded simplicity.

What u say is that weak and left is similar and u say that right is strong. So in your store strong and right are next to each other. And the reason why, probably can be explained by you in an essay of thousand words and defended to the death. And apparently its even a problem if left and strong would mix. It would fuck up the store.

However in the country like the US where left and right have weirdly polarised their store this way, the best 2 candidates out of millions of people became hillary and trump. Roughly said no matter how u defend the logic..its a shit store with 2 buckets filled with to many traits not related to each other aka shit buckets.

So I ask again. Why would anyone distill shit buckets into a logical narrative on a post where simplicity is embraced to the point of erotic fantasy. Its very ironic and the irony has been pointed out with no defence.

>>57308

What the fuck am I reading?

No, they weren't the best two candidates. They were the two handpicked to roll back rights and undermine the constitution even further. Jesus

Christ at least these other two twats are having some kind of a discussion, you're just an incomprehensible mess.

I remember when hope existed that we'd get the original set of B4mb1 files remastered so that new people trying them wouldn't be put off by the lower quality.

And then the shitheads who're already into this went nah fuck you newbies let's have new files instead, only new files.

Garbage.

>>57319

Why pander to newbies?

Also, fuck this thread.

>>57309

That's the point, its a satire.

Hypnosis and free will can be an interesting discussion. But before hand you would hand you have to see them as different entities, while at the same time simplifying them enough to have a flowing discussion and overbearing platform(otherwise it becomes an incomprehensible mess). The irony is that by discussing them both separately on those simplified traits will only bear fallacies, if you decide to finalise a overbearing conclusion for both of them. You would have to recheck if the overbearing conclusion fits in a more complex state of other subject. Otherwise start over.

So for example hypnosis can't make you do what you don't want to do (main accepted theory). If I debunk free will I cannot carry over that debunk to hypnosis. Because I simplified them for sake of argument, but they are not related entities. Like I said before you can go in great lengths to do defend or attack free will. At the end of it you still don't have a strong case about what hypnosis can and can't do. You just shared elaborated free will.

It's similar to your response. The voting system is simplified to "handpicked" to fit a narrative of a gov objective to undermine the constitution. If anyone would attack that statement, you would have to elaborate. But would that mean that my post is more comprehensible,if you were proven wrong…no. So why do it?

Its a recurring fallacy on this board to discuss something for the sake of discussion. In someones mind leftist agenda and sissy hypnosis are relatable. And then they attack the left, carry back the conclusion to sissy hypnosis and tada.

All I am pointing out, is that it's a nice magic trick. But it has no other bearing use than making a *click* in the persons mind, that for starters will never *click* that way if another persons head. And even if it did, it's just a fallacy.

What the fuck is going on in this thread rofl

>>57345

Your post doesn't make sense. You're not using words correctly and your grammar makes a lot of this completely incomprehensible without rereading it several times.

Example: You're confusing "satire" with "farce".

"It's a satire" doesn't make any sense. Maybe you meant "it's satirical". All your posts read like gobbledygook. Your use of "fallacy" also doesn't make sense. A fallacy is a mistaken belief. This is not really what you seem to be stating. I… think you're trying to say "by broadly generalizing, you're going to come to faulty conclusions", but "by discussing them both separately on those simplified traits will only bear fallacies" is not only… well… a logical leap (and many fallacies such as "argument from fallacy", "argument to moderation", "faulty generalizations", etc).

You seem to say that because someone has made a connection that others haven't, that that connection is… not… necessarily true? Well, obviously. Nobody's arguing that.

I think you don't know what's actually being said.

>>57323

No fuck you. The original set is the most well written in the series.

>>57345

>>57349

Tens of thousands of amateur tinfoil hats have made that connection already and they sure as hell aren't hackerman internet sleuths for it. It's

a pretty dumb connection to make given the nature of porn as simply meeting demand. There's no one to blame for the propagation of

sissy stuff but the losers that get off to it and the very confused transtrenders that've been infiltrating and infecting their already miserable

self destructive communities with their horribly misguided cancer. Said cancer acting as the trashbin stink attracting all the tinfoil hat flies that think they're agents of Moloch or some shit instead of just horrifyingly misinformed.

It's what has made the whole B4mb1 thing so absolutely ripe for mockery and ridicule. Not that it isn't right out the box, but y'know at least

people not into it don't usually bother looking at it.

>>57361

>No fuck you. The original set is the most well written in the series.

I meant fuck the thread, nothing against the content.

>>57361

Can't say it particularly matters who has "made the connection" or whether or not there's a conspiracy. I would say that your dismissal of "the connection" is probably because you may have it backwards. The connection is that the rise of sissy files (and those seeking them) is a direct result of… for lack of a better term… lefty culture and the undermining of masculinity. It isn't so much that they are the ones creating the files as creating the desire for them in the first place. No conspiracy necessary.

You mentioned transtrenders. Where do they come from? Men ostracized from broader society for displaying certain behaviors. Where do they come from? It's not very tinfoil to point out that they come from somewhere.

Personally, I'd say there's a case for that… But I think anyone that has an idea how the mouse utopias went would be able to sort of start drawing parallels, etc.

Sort of who cares, though. It's kind of a side point to broader issues. My earlier post was less about taking a side in the debate and more about pointing out that conversation seemed to be going right around the point.

Someone asked how this relates to hypnosis? It's subtext.

>>57364

It's been around since before the nuwave politically aware decided that they own the internet and all ideas contained therein. Since

the dawn of recorded history if you want to umbrella it under general gender bending fuckery. What you might consider modern

masculinity is just post-industrial social engineering to make good little drones that'll smile and salute on their way to the latest

meatgrinder scheme whether its a coal mine, battlefield or an Amazon warehouse today. You are somewhat right, that men with no outlet for

the things they feel may gravitate to all the wrongs kinds of places like this. Since they see women getting a free pass to do all the things

they'd like to do. It's cute and courageous when a woman gets angry and shows passion, but when a man does it, he's scary and clearly a

villain. Or a pathetic loser if he cries about something he cares about. That's really only a side-effect of the greater problem and not the

desired result then though. They could just as easily gravitate to any other form of escapism that's an outlet. Having a relevant fetish is what

the greater influence is there.

As for the transtrending craze itself, it's hard to pinpoint when it started. When I started asking questions about myself, the answer I got was I

just had a fetish, but was otherwise a perfectly normal male. By pre-industrial revolution standards anyway, I feel it's important to

distinguish natural masculinity from manufactured. If I started asking those same questions today I'd probably be getting forcefed

titty skittles by a crossdresser who thinks he's trans and has to push his fetishistic lifestyle on others before I was ever directed to any credible

study of the subject.

I thought you might bring up the mouse utopia experiment. Humans have more in common socially with insects than any mammals, even

great apes. With layers of intricacy entirely alien to the known animal kingdom on top of that. Then factor in the nearly uncountable

types of humans that might all behave and organize differently in the same situation, on the threefold basis of region, genetics and idealology. It's not really

something you can glean any insight from trying to explain why everything is as fucked up as it is. The answer there I think, is the organizing

principles of our society shifted from being about protecting the long term survival of the population, to profiting off it in the short term to

achieve 'new heights.' All this progress comes at the cost of our humanity as well as money.

>>57365

I didn't really mean to type that much. I guess it's pent up frustration from watching every corner of the internet slowly go insane.

>>57366

Win

>>57268

i'm not being hostile about it

i made posts in the barfgirl thread trying to come up with a solution which makes everyone happy (making a separate board)

not as a "safe space", but as a way to get the sissy/bimbo stuff off this board, if the mods and others really are pissed off by it. and why not, pornhub lets you filter for gay/straight so why shouldn't we have a system like that?

hopefully we can decide collectively if we want either:

a) this board nice and bonsai tree tidy with general/straight hypnosis and a separate board for sissy stuff

b) the status quo, one board with trolled threads and shitposting

i can't help effect the former without some form of help from the mods. mods: if you're already allowing a pinned barfgirl and the trolling of this thread, what the fuck do you even want?

Where is the fucking point? The problem is deeper.

Most activity on this board comes from two or three tists continous shilling their shit and attacking everybody else and fucking up every thread not about them.

Want a list of trigger for the morons? Name a tist that isn't shilled for continously and see what happens. And people who just want to share files of course get fed up and stop.

Until half a year ago i was amongst the biggest sharers on this board. I'm barely active these days. Why? Because everything that isn't either B4mb1, stalkerbee, the bimbo gaylord moron, or two other tists is instantly attacked. And then the sharing is lost in hate comments.

So if you want to improve the board - that's where you start.

>>57365

Oh, I'm aware that "gender bending fuckery" has been around since forever. Am not even trying to imply that it hasn't… merely that identity issues (and not specifically gender identity issues) seem particularly rampant. "Modern Masculinity" isn't really what I'm talking about here… just perception of masculine traits (differentiating it from masculine presenting traits. Could care less whether pants or skirts are in vogue). As for men being "good little drones", I, first of all, think you put too much stock into social engineering and gender and not enough stock into "natural expression". While you could say that modern masculinity is the result of post-industrial social engineering… by that same token, you'd be legitimizing people claiming that the lack of masculinity, sissy things, etc. is the result of modern social engineering. But I don't think we're that far from each other's opinion… just interpretation of each other's opinions.

>As for transtrending etc.

Sure, potentially. But I think the issue is less confused people with a fetish force-feeding estrogen tablets and more obsession with legitimacy, illegitimacy, identity, and flag-waving than natural or manufactured masculinity. Mostly we're talking about category shifts for the sake of protecting chosen tribes. I tend to think this has to do very intimately with "identity" categories, where people are forced to represent their particular identities or feel intimately connected to them. Again, I think this points to a lack of defined internal identities and increasingly complex external identities. For example, if you had started asking about your particular fetish today, I think someone would have told you that it came with a whole lifestyle and culture and "solidarity", that you should really check out the newsletter and keep up with the "community", which is under constant attack and must be defended before they GET you. Or something.

>Humans are insects and unknowable.

This I flat out disagree with you on. Humans are different from other mammals in that they've a lot more space, very little in the way of natural predators (mostly disease, parasites, etc.), and huge numbers. Humans are animals. Their behaviors are observable, understandable, and generally relate to the same things as any other animal. They're just complex and express complexly. Region matters for analyzing resource/direct environmental influence, ideology is better understood through method what the ideology espouses, and genetics really only have a specific range in which they express with and, outside of that range, you begin to have issues. I'll try to expand a little what I mean for each.

Region: I think I mentioned this in my previous post, but… different regions are at different levels of development. Understanding how close those regions are to "survival" mentality to "thrive" mentality will tell you a lot about their various emphasis. You can see that more developed nations tend to put ideas above more mundane issues. People are the same generally. It's why the poor don't understand the rich, why the new rich don't act like old money, etc.

Ideology: This is simple. If you want to know what an ideology actually believes, just pay attention to what they do and what methods they employ. Intentions are meaningless. If you think of them as a tribe, it makes a lot more sense. What they espouse doesn't even matter, the majority of adherence to any ideology are not even studied in that ideology enough to have a concrete understanding of it… just a feeling. How many environmental activists do you know that actually went to school to study environmental science?

Genetics: Genetics is funny. It's a lot more limited than people think. Most fall into the big bell of "average" and the exceptions really come in two varieties… The genetic dead-ends (Which is to say the vast majority of exceptions) and evolutionary mutations (which are extremely extremely rare and are often STILL genetic dead ends). I'll give you an example of something considered a "good" exception, IQ. Studies find that while above average IQs tend towards better outcomes, the higher the IQ, the less consistent this trend is. Very high IQs are not only all over the map, but are extreme. Why? Most likely because it is a genetic exception and there are reasons as to why someone would have an extremely high IQ. That is to say: There are causes for that IQ, not all of which are positive.

Tbh, I don't think that societies principles shifted so much as that the multiplicity of societies within the broader society lack unifying material and common ground… Sort of like what happened before WWI with all the treaties meant to protect the world from war, all that inter-connectivity, slowly falling apart and giving way to two huge allied factions, two huge powder kegs waiting for a match.

>>57380

>everything that isn't either B4mb1, stalkerbee, the bimbo gaylord moron, or two other tists is instantly attacked. And then the sharing is lost in hate comments

Can you link some examples of this or is this exclusive to volafile rooms? I know the B4mb1fags have a long history of misbehaving they actually managed to wake the previous BO out of his stupor by spamming every unrelated thread with B4mb1 shilling and 54m4nth4 supposedly lurks on 8chan, so it wouldn't surprise me if they and their retarded white knights were shitting up the board outside their threads.

>>57393

I don't know if there were posts which were deleted I missed, but i recall an occasion where I posted about B4mb1 outside of the general in direct response to a request thread asking for exactly that kind of file, and was attacked for it.

I find it amusing that despite all the complaints this thread has probably the most interesting discussion taking place on the entire board right now.

>>57387

>As for men being "good little drones", I, first of all, think you put too much stock into social engineering and gender and not enough stock into "natural expression".

It's a complete subversion and corruption of the natural expression. I'll give you an example. In the beginning of WW1, a suit of lightweight

bullet proofed armor for soldiers was successfully designed that could have been mass produced. It was refused by the US

military on the grounds that it's a privilege and an honor for a man to die for his country, despite the countless lives this kind of

equipment could have saved. Everyone wants to protect their loved ones, but what does anything going on across the ocean have to do with that

before the invention of ICBMs? Absolutely nothing to do with it, yet they played on that instinct full stop to get men to want to fight

anyway. Even without Germany, the US had a plan in place to attack Britain that they would've conveniently found an excuse to enact

regardless. They want war because they need it and men to fight it. Sissifying a population just doesn't fit their agenda.

>by that same token, you'd be legitimizing people claiming that the lack of masculinity, sissy things, etc. is the result of modern social engineering.

I am. Of course there's a concerted corporate effort to get men to adopt more feminine sensibilities so they can sell them junk like

perfumes and lotions. That isn't really anything terribly new, given many high fashion items and frippy things had their start as men's fashion in

previous eras before women adopted them. Nor is it as insidious and pervasive as the kind of social engineering a military industrial complex

is capable of. Direct military intervention in media is responsible for who the bad guys are in popular video games and movies, depending

which countries they feel like being nice to or villainizing at the time. Their influence is far more pervasive than people are comfortable with

recognizing.

>For example, if you had started asking about your particular fetish today, I think someone would have told you that it came with a whole

lifestyle and culture and "solidarity", that you should really check out the newsletter and keep up with the "community", which is under

constant attack and must be defended before they GET you. Or something.

At a certain time, this was a necessity. The battlegrounds weren't on the internet though. I'm sure you're familiar with the stereotype of the

bear in a leather officers cap, chaps and straps who is incredibly gay. They're called the leathermen and were founded by WW2 veterans

who banded together to fend off persecution for their sexuality and console eachother. You saw a similar thing later with transgender support rings given a rise in

violence against them in the 70's, 80's and early 90's, even though it's categorically different than being a little or very queer. I think what

happened here is profiteers and politicians were making bank pandering to this sort of cause, but now that people have much bigger problems

to worry about than catching the gay or possibly fucking a tranny, there's no more enemy. So they have to grasp any straw they can to find

them and paint whole swaths of population with the bigot brush, while rolling race into the equation for a whole new host of attack vectors.

It's a last desperate bid for relevance in a country where people are increasingly aware of the inadequacy of the two party system. I'm

actually confused on where all this pending civil war stuff is coming from. The past and likely the next election are record breaking lows for voter

participation. It seems more like a wrestling match no one really wants to watch hyped up by a whole lot of money and mass data

processing, championed by very loud people who took the bait laid out by both sides.

In so many less words, it's another natural thing that was subverted. Identity is a huge part of it yes, the basis of their feudalistic squabbles over

who's turn it is to get to be king-megalomaniac-who-doesn't-actually-do-much for four years. A necessity of not being able to openly out

yourself as a member of a royal family in a country where that sort of thing isn't supposed to be happening, but undeniably is. As well as

having no actual effective substance to get people to rally around your banner. The best they've managed to come up with is healthcare

and a big stupid wall. As if the average healthy person gives a shit about either when they're struggling to pay bills and deal with debt.

>>57400

Cont.

>Region: I think I mentioned this in my previous post, but… different regions are at different levels of development.

Well yes, however I was speaking of regionally in the US. It's a very, very big place with many small isolated communities that are all very

different. Outside influences like corporations and state/federal level government force them to adapt and conform, but without those

influences, who's to say they'd even be recognizable as the same people? It isn't unknowable. We know how isolated and

independent tribes live. They self organize and manage themselves expertly in just about any conditions you can think of.

>Ideology: This is simple. If you want to know what an ideology actually believes, just pay attention to what they do and what methods

they employ. Intentions are meaningless. If you think of them as a tribe, it makes a lot more sense.

I do. Although now that I really think about it, ideology isn't really relevant to the idea of conducting a mouse utopia experiment on

humans. An influence like this would need to not be present unless it was something the subjects created themselves during the

experiment with no outside influences. Hm. For that matter, you'd have to remove the region influence as well by having them born into this

environment.

>Genetics: Genetics is funny. It's a lot more limited than people think.

That leaves this as the most legitimate factor in the experiment, since you can't get humans to raise in a utopia without human genes.

>Most fall into the big bell of "average" and the exceptions really come in two varieties… The genetic dead-ends (Which is to say the vast

majority of exceptions) and evolutionary mutations (which are extremely extremely rare and are often STILL genetic dead ends).

Humans have been here for a long time. Everything about us has or has had a purpose. Even being a big gay has an evolutionary

function in servicing emotional needs necessary for survival in absence of the opposite sex. The bell curve is really strange at a glance, but

makes perfect sense to me. The only reason to have a high IQ is as a solitary predator that requires a huge amount of problem solving

ability to compensate for a lack of inherited information from others. I don't think the primary factor there is genetics though. Rather an

adaptive mechanism triggered by the environment as an individual develops. Your brain only becomes as smart as it needs to be

to ensure you conform to the group. This explains why despite efforts to genetically engineer smart kids, the gain is small compared

to the huge natural variation. Also why those trending to the high end kind of just check out of society on their own. They've just been raised in

a way where society wasn't important to them to begin with, so they've no reason to want to pour energy into something they don't care

about or need. So I think our theoretical mouse utopia humans would be for the most part, probably below averagely intelligent. Since

group inclusion is more or less forced by proximity. Yet that isn't really a bad thing when it comes to group survival and organization, not

unlike ants. That's why I believe humans have more in common socially with insects, at least on the scale of civilizations, removed from the

natural tribal state. The foundation of everything that's been built has been the labor of the average and below end of the bell curve. Who

still manage to become engineers and scientists despite the almost religious worship of IQ and the few exceptions to the rule.

Achieving things with a greater combined intelligence. Not unlike how ants put in the same environment as the mouse utopia have a

tendency to figure out how to escape the enclosures despite having everything they need in it and being individually stupid. I think that's

what put men on the moon, not a handful of super geniuses. It's their world and evolution is trending to something disturbingly insect-like as

a whole for us.

>Tbh, I don't think that societies principles shifted so much as that the multiplicity of societies within the broader society lack

unifying material and common ground…

There's definitely a lot of consolidation of power that's been going on. I can only comment on how it looks gazing up, but you can't deny the

value of human life is at an all time low and pressing the big red button must be looking more tempting by the year for the powers that

be. Especially if they want to keep that power in the long term.

>>57400

>It's a subversion!

Nope. It is completely natural for males to engage in dominance displays, in which males show their prowess. Hell, a lot of species have built in evolutionary disadvantages to show how good their genes are (peacocks, fiddler crabs, etc.).

It may be counter-intuitive, but courage, aggression, the ability to surV1v3 with disadvantages… these are natural mating instincts.

>It's different.

No, your perspective is as such that you grant priority to one over the other and likely trust one over the other. Actually, this sort of proves my point. You were talking about social engineering masculinity… but… I was not arguing that "sissies and gender-bending" was the result of corporate social engineering. I was arguing that social engineering doesn't really work and isn't required to explain these behaviors. I think you missed my point.

>There was a time when solidarity and culture was important.

Yeah sure. And back then it was also much less loud, reified, and much much more practical because it was such a social (and potentially legal) taboo. Because it had to be underground, the way in which solidarity, etc. would have even worked would have been markedly different. Community didn't exist in the way it does today is what I'm saying.

>I'm talking about the US, not globally.

Same applies to the US. The US has markedly different conditions in different places. You find survivalist thinking in poorer areas (which leads to clannishness) and more "heady" (some would say smug) ways of thinking in "affluent areas. The Rust Belt being such a big deal in the last election is a testament to this. They don't have global idealistic concerns, they have local survivalist concerns.

>You'd have to remove region influence and ideology for the mouse utopia.

Nope. Thing about the mouse utopia is that it took place over the course of several generations. It wasn't overnight. Read up on it a bit more. Even when other outside mice were introduced, the native mice wouldn't breed or interact normally.

>Can't get humans to raise in a utopia without human genes.

I'm not sure what you mean here.

>???

There's a lot here, a lot of it provably false. Let me try to answer some of the more pressing issues. Remember how I was stating "outcomes of high IQ" being somewhat counter-intuitive? Well, that's because a huge number of factors go into IQ. And yes, IQ is largely genetic. But… two smart people having kids doesn't guarantee a smart child. Lots of genetic factors. It's easier to select a particular trait. The ant comparison is a very bad analogy here, particularly in the modern era where identity and group affiliation has very little to do with proximity. One is often not as attached to their immediate community as people they know online. I don't know my next door neighbors. Many people don't. It's only really true in high school. How many high school friends stick around?

>Value for human life at an all-time low.

Compared to slavery, serfs, castratos, child labor, the holocaust… I can go on. This is a little history blind.

>>57451

>It may be counter-intuitive, but courage, aggression, the ability to surV1v3 with disadvantages… these are natural mating instincts.

I never said these are unnatural. I said they were subverted. You're trapping yourself in the line of thinking that these are purely masculine

traits. That's more of a checklist of traits a fully developed and functional human should have. In other words, an adult. The nature of the

subversion is to more or less make sure you never grow up out of a certain stage of mental development.

>I was arguing that social engineering doesn't really work and isn't required to explain these behaviors.

It probably doesn't. I never bought any axe body spray. It does serve to obfuscate the issue in that it can be taken out of context and pointed

at as evidence, in the event you were inclined to argue a case for sissigenineering.

>Community didn't exist in the way it does today is what I'm saying.

Only partly true, but I realize exceptions don't make the rule. I was providing an example of how these communities came to be, grew and were hijacked by outside interests.

>You find survivalist thinking in poorer areas (which leads to clannishness) and more "heady" (some would say smug) ways of thinking in "affluent areas. The Rust Belt being such a big deal in the last election is a testament to this. They don't have global idealistic concerns, they have local survivalist concerns.

Seems like a prime example of that (smug) thinking without ever having visited these places. There's remarkable diversity in culture

even in areas that would be considered homogeneous by color.

>Read up on it a bit more. Even when other outside mice were introduced, the native mice wouldn't breed or interact normally.

It was an admittedly long time ago. I was aware of the multiple generations, but not the introduction of outside mice. It doesn't change

how irrelevant it is to humans. Especially since it sounds like something that was done after the initial experiment was completed just to see

what would happen. To repeat it with humans instead of mice, said humans would need be born into that environment and unaware that

they're in an experiment in the first place to eliminate the possibility that they've already been made dysfunctional somehow.

>I'm not sure what you mean here.

A bad attempt at a joke I guess, since you'd probably get your guinea pig human embryos to reproduce the experiment illegally.

>Well, that's because a huge number of factors go into IQ. And yes, IQ is largely genetic. But… two smart people having kids doesn't guarantee a smart child. Lots of genetic factors. It's easier to select a particular trait.

How can you be certain it's mostly genetic when the natural variation so far surpasses what the already isolated genes can do? And what

does that have to do with the outcomes of high IQ? You're tested for it at a very early age ideally. Yet it doesn't have any indication of the

future net worth of the individual. Unless you mean to imply household income is both a factor in that as well as future success.

>The ant comparison is a very bad analogy here, particularly in the modern era where identity and group affiliation has very little to do with proximity.

You're still servicing the colony just fine regardless of your favorite flavor of social media. The way the economy has been built makes

sure of that. In the case of humans it's more abstract than ants, but the parallels are there. Especially when you put giant ant colony-esque

populations of humans under duress and watch how they behave. All those in-group-out-group differences and tribal tendencies tend to go

away, assuming that population is healthy and not being actively sabotaged. Like Americans are being currently.

>Compared to slavery, serfs, castratos, child labor, the holocaust… I can go on. This is a little history blind.

Thinking that people are any different today than they were a hundred, or even a thousand years ago is just plain blind. All of these things still

happen regularly around the world. Probably even right under your nose. There's a current growing misanthrope that worries me surfacing

in nearly every aspect of modern life, that's what I'm referring to. Not even any of histories greatest villains went so far as to wish they

could kill off billions of people just for their own personal convenience, but there's more and more out there thinking it's the virtuous thing to do with all kinds of crazy rationales.

Is this peak autism

>>57466

yes

If I don't think I can cum hands free should I listen to BC 9? Or is it just imagination? Don't want to know about specifics of the file.

>>57451

you have the evolutionary reasoning behind peacock tails backwards

it's runaway sexual selection from the situation where environmental selection pressure is taken away

it's a characteristic being used as a proxy to judge health, healthy big tail = good genes

>>57400 (checked)

> Sissifying a population just doesn't fit their agenda.

You assume that there's only one agenda instead of many competing factions.

> concerted corporate effort to get men to adopt more feminine sensibilities so they can sell them junk like perfumes and lotions

But are those genuine feminine sensibilities?

Has "femininity" also been corrupted by corporate greed?

> Nor is it as insidious and pervasive as the kind of social engineering a military industrial complex is capable of

Well, the "concerted corporate effort" is part of that complex - there's no guarantee that the complex actually acts coherently and cross-purposes easily happen.

In the USA, the army is getting pissed because of rising obesity, but the food industry keeps producing and heavily marketing fattening foods, while twisting the research results to claim that "healthy" food is whatever is most profitable for them. A famous example is the "eggs are bad for you" study that claimed that dietary cholesterol causes heart disease or whatever. Guess who funded that study? a breakfast cereal company

>>57451

> I think you missed my point.

I know that I missed your point. Please try explaining it again.

> Remember how I was stating "outcomes of high IQ" being somewhat counter-intuitive?

I can tell you at least one cause of that - communication barriers exist between people with differing IQ. The greater the difference, the higher the barrier - and isn't possible to "turn off" your intelligence to lower the barrier. Communication across more than about 2.5 standard deviations is nearly impossible, and society generally doesn't cluster people by IQ anymore, so the rarer individuals farther out from average have much greater difficulty finding others who can meaningfully converse with them.

This is what I meant by "it's lonely out here on the right tail of the bell curve" - I'm far enough out that I doubt I'll ever meet an above-average person that I can't converse with at all, but I can barely converse with the average person. It's equally lonely on the left tail, but those people at least are too stupid to realize that they're alone - and tend to end up clustered in group homes anyway. Small mercies for them, at least.

Interestingly, the communication barriers only seem to apply to abstract concepts - concrete statements can be understood across larger gaps. The catch is that the more intelligent you are, the more your thoughts tend to be abstract.

>>57466 (checked)

> Is this peak autism

No, peak autism is beyond words. Don't ask about peak autism.

>>57490

> If I don't think I can cum hands free should I listen to BC 9? Or is it just imagination?

It's imagination that bleeds over into reality. If you use the files enough, you'll make a mess eventually.

>>57514

>You assume that there's only one agenda instead of many competing factions.

I'm sure there are, but given the money involved and their role in directing technology, they must be the most dominant. Still just a shot in the dark on my part though.

>But are those genuine feminine sensibilities?

No, not historically. It's been made the norm now though.

>Has "femininity" also been corrupted by corporate greed?

>Well, the "concerted corporate effort" is part of that complex - there's no guarantee that the complex actually acts coherently and cross-purposes easily happen.

Redefined as easily exploited materialism, yes. The zig-zagging goal posts of it over the years does make sense for multiple competing

influences. I recall another case regarding a cheese conspiracy when it comes to food. You have to laugh at the lengths they'll go to.

>>57528

There's a few documentaries on the american food industry that explores the cheese thing. I wouldn't say a conspiracy but they made loads of milk and could make cheese with the waste product, which means more money and less disposal(which costs money) so they paid for advertisements for double/triple/quadruple cheese pizzas, cheese sweeties, macaroni & cheese ETC.

On a side note, american cheese tastes like plastic because of this i think. They streamlined their whole process to make & get rid of cheese as fast as possible because the industry was just starting. This doesn't let all of the right bacteria grow and die out over time that you can see in other cheeses which give them the "better" taste.

IMO cheese is like wine, it's not about how fast you can make it or how long you can leave it for but the timing. Get the cheese at the right time and you get good cheese. Same with wine, not every wine can be matured and some wines are ruined if you leave them just a little too long.

>>57528

>>57530

Mozarella was too expensive. Pizza makers needed to lower costs.

They resorted to "Cheese Analogues", which are extremely cheap to produce. It's a mix of vegetable oil, colorants, artificial flavors and milk proteins.

It melts perfectly and has a long shelf life. However the taste is horrible compared with real cheese. Obese people and rednecks don't care about the taste though. They just want to fill their stomachs.

>>57554

ded

>>57491

No, I don't. We're agreeing. It's counter-intuitive. Big tails make it more difficult to surV1v3 with, indicating that this peacock can surV1v3 with a big tail… so his genes must be extra good. Fiddler crabs are similar. Big tails in and of themselves hinder survival… hence "counter-intuitive".

>>57579

but it's the fact that a healthy tail is a signal of health and is then selected for, leading to bigger and bigger tails in runaway selection

you seem to think it's the handicap itself which is selected for, not that the handicap is a byproduct of selecting for the appearance of good genes… that is why i use the word "backwards"

healthy birds have big healthy tails -> sexual selection for big tails -> bigger and bigger tails

not

healthy birds can surV1v3 with a handicap -> sexual selection for handicaps -> bigger and bigger handicaps

>>57456

> You think they're only masculine! There's a spectrum!

This is a bit like interpreting what I'm saying as "only men have testosterone". Do you know what effects testosterone has on human behavior? Everyone has some. Some have more. Men tend to have quite a bit more.

>???

Might be conflating advertising with social engineering. Humans can be influenced by their environment. Social engineering just doesn't really work. It's easier to give general nudges… but you'd have to do it endlessly to every generation, make sure it's exactly the same, account for new generations and old, etc… it doesn't work.

>There are some exceptions. Many were highjacked by outside interests.

Sure.

>You're being smug. There are many differences!

You don't know where I'm from. Don't make assumptions. Of course there is "diversity" even in racially homogeneous areas. I was actually arguing that there was… but that differences in ways of thinking manifest largely by how easy it is for them to physically surV1v3.

But let me expand a bit, in case it's not clear enough for you. "Differences of thinking spawn from how easy it is for one to surV1v3 and the manner by which one does surV1v3".

There are ascetics in the world. Are the impoverished ascetics? No.

Do the middle and upper classes worry overmuch about whether they can afford their next meal or whether they'll lose their house? No.

Their cultures reflect that.

>Irrelevant.

It really wouldn't. Also, clearly you haven't seen the ground-breaking philosophical marvel that blows all minds called "The Matrix".

That was also a bad joke.

>How can you be sure?

There are tests on IQ that reflect that it is genetic. IQ has been tested over time at different ages. Curiously, when one is finished developing, it seems that what is genetic seems to manifest more… and continues to with age. It's been a while since I looked at those particular studies.

>You're still servicing the colony.

Ants aren't punished for their bad behavior. They don't have bad behavior. An ant colony doesn't have competing factions. They don't have minds of their own. They don't compete individually.

Crows need to work together. If a crow is selfish, other crows won't work with them. Crows also recognize faces extremely well. They communicate and let other crows know if someone is friendly or unfriendly.

Apes have complex hierarchies and leadership is often challenged. They teach their young and there are competing factions within. There was an experiment in which an ape was put into an enclosure and there was a tasty thing dangling in the middle of it. Every time an ape went near, they'd turn on a hose and spray the apes. When new apes were introduced and tried to go for the treats, the other apes would stop them. I believe this happened inter-generationally, I can't recall…

Ants aren't very human.

>Humans are the same.

They do happen in places. It used to happen everywhere. Now it doesn't. Where it does is troubling. That you are upset about it is evidence of that. There was a time when it was business as usual. In some places, it still is. Also, plenty of people have wished for the death of billions. There have been many that have thought humans were a plague. Some believe that only a certain type of human is a plague.

I'd call Plato's Republic pretty damn barbaric, if you actually pay attention to it.

>>57583

Am bowing out of this. Derailed enough.

>>57580

No, I don't. I'm only talking about the genetics here. Big tails aren't useful. Big breasts also aren't useful. Hard to have big breasts if you're starving, but other apes do not have big breasts at all. They aren't helpful for survival. There are a lot of outward indicators of sexual attractiveness that are purely health indicators. Peacock tails are one of them… But it doesn't make them useful.

>>57514

>I know that I missed your point. Please try explaining it again.

I was just pointing out that their answer legitimized what they believed they were arguing against. I thought they were being hypocritical saying one thing was impossible, but that the same thing over here was actually happening right now!

>I can tell you at least one cause of that - communication barriers exist between people with differing IQ.

Yeah, that's true. There's a number of reasons. Sometimes the genetics that cause it are double recessive… so you get physical ailments or they don't pass… or sometimes it's a matter of focus of the brain, so you end up with a very high IQ, but autism… or sometimes it's the result of extreme circumstances and you flame out… there's a whole host of reasons why. Humans need more than just IQ to get along and be successful. All deviations from the norm are generally treated as deviations.

As for the whole… abstract concepts thing, sure. Not necessarily untrue. But… there are infinite abstractions. It's rare for two people to be fascinated by the exact same ones. Gotta connect on that human level. It barely matters what you're talking about if you can connect it.

>>54915

It's been 2 months since that update now. I fear the creator has put some uniform on.

>>57528

> given the money involved and their role in directing technology, they must be the most dominant

That doesn't mean that they can prevent other factions from acting.

> >But are those genuine feminine sensibilities?

> No, not historically. It's been made the norm now though.

Exactly my point.

> You have to laugh at the lengths they'll go to.

Free lulz… I'll take 'em.

>>57530

>>57550

LULZ!

It's been so bad that there's even a trademark symbol for "real cheese" now. It belongs to some dairy industry group.

>>57554

> You are all RETARDED.

This is an imageboard. You're complaining about a rambling conversation. hownew.ru/?

>>57577 (checked)

This guy gets it.

>>57586

> or sometimes it's a matter of focus of the brain, so you end up with a very high IQ, but autism…

There's a minority opinion that autism is the result of very high IQ, or maybe it's how very high IQ people appear to less intelligent people and possibly even to each other. It makes some sense - very high IQ is extremely rare. Or again, that very high IQ leads to certain mental processes that also produce autism symptoms.

> Humans need more than just IQ to get along and be successful. All deviations from the norm are generally treated as deviations.

The problems come when that "norm" is actively harmful to both individuals and society - which the "norms" pushed by advertising are.

> As for the whole… abstract concepts thing, sure. Not necessarily untrue. But… there are infinite abstractions. It's rare for two people to be fascinated by the exact same ones. Gotta connect on that human level. It barely matters what you're talking about if you can connect it.

That's it - there are infinite abstractions possible, and the higher your IQ, the more advanced the abstractions that you use. This leads to communication barriers because the more advanced abstractions appear simpler to those who can see them, but can't be seen at all by less intelligent people and instead look like nonsense.

If the gap is too wide, the less intelligent person can't extract meaning from the more intelligent person's words and is usually insulted, thinking that this is intentional. For some reason, more intelligent people seem unable to use less advanced abstractions. I don't know why this is.

>>57587

> It's been 2 months since that update now. I fear the creator has put some uniform on.

MOAR LULZ!

On this week's episode of "As the Bimbo Doll Turns…" - has B4mb1 Prime become the cock zombie now? Don't forget to tune in for "As the Bimbo Doll Turns… B4mb1 Cum and Collapse" this week on The Bimbo Channel!

>>57583

>This is a bit like interpreting what I'm saying as "only men have testosterone". Do you know what effects testosterone has on human behavior? Everyone has some. Some have more. Men tend to have quite a bit more.

Putting words in my mouth. Having quite a lot of testosterone, I'm intimately familiar with it. The physical effects far outweigh any behavioral past

puberty. If you haven't learned to reign in the aggression that comes with it you're developmentally stunted. That was

the goal of this social engineering.

>Sure.

You're purposefully ignoring everything I said.

>but that differences in ways of thinking manifest largely by how easy it is for them to physically surV1v3.

Baseline functional humans have no difficulties surviving in any conditions. What you're thinking of is learned helplessness and is almost non-

existent in rural and remote areas. Humble means does not indicate desperation.

>It really wouldn't.

It really would if you had any idea how scientific method is supposed to work.

>There are tests on IQ that reflect that it is genetic.

To a very limited extent. The natural variation has a much bigger swing than what we currently know genetics alone are capable of. Humans

physically adapt amazingly quickly, it's only logical to assume they mentally do so as well.

>Apes have complex hierarchies and leadership is often challenged.

The closest ape is the bonobo, which still can't comprehend much of anything beyond acquiring food. The fact you think there's even any

comparison between them and humans in the first place explains a great deal about your other opinions.

Ants are in fact punished for their bad behavior. They're ignored and excluded by the collective. At times even killed if the source of their

peculiar behavior is external, to prevent it from

infecting the rest of the colony. The only other animals that do this are humans. I could list out all the parallels bluntly if you really want.

>Now it doesn't.

It doesn't? I disagree. I've seen sweatshops like something straight out of china on US soil filled with stranded illegal immigrants. Path of least

resistance. If it's cheap and efficient, it will be done.

Just like with ants.

>>57589

>That doesn't mean that they can prevent other factions from acting.

But they actively do all the time. At least locally where they have control.

>that very high IQ leads to certain mental processes that also produce autism symptoms.

I think this is more likely. I dated a social worker once. The vast majority of people with autism can't really function in any capacity without help.

>>57589

>On this week's episode of "As the Bimbo Doll Turns…" - has B4mb1 Prime become the cock zombie now? Don't forget to tune in for "As the Bimbo Doll Turns… B4mb1 Cum and Collapse" this week on The Bimbo Channel!

Considering on the mental makeover he's currently working on - >>53769 - the risk for that is only increasing.

>>57593

I wonder how powerful this mental makeover will be compared with Cock Zombie, Oblivion and the reinforcement tracks

>>57590

> If you haven't learned to reign in the aggression that comes with it you're developmentally stunted. That was the goal of this social engineering.

Are you saying that there was a social engineering campaign to stunt the development of men such that they become more aggressive?

> What you're thinking of is learned helplessness and is almost non-existent in rural and remote areas.

So you're saying that >>57583 considers learned helplessness a way of thinking that can only exist in areas where no effort at all is needed for survival?

Such areas being the cities where "food comes from the grocery store" but not rural areas where food is actually produced?

Isn't this his point about regional influence on thought?

> The natural variation has a much bigger swing than what we currently know genetics alone are capable of.

A few samples of the human genome have been sequenced, but we still know very little about what those genes actually do or even which genes are activated under what conditions. Our current knowledge of human genetics is very limited, and much of the natural variation in human intelligence could be due to still-unknown alleles.

Also, only a handful of full human sequences have been prepared, and those projects intentionally chose widely varying people to sequence. The first priority seems to have been an attempt to estimate cross-racial variation, but intelligence varies far more widely within human racial groups than between them, with one notable exception that I'll leave on /pol/.

Our knowledge of human genetics is incomplete and insufficient to rule out genetic causes for the observed variation in human intelligence. Adopted twin studies also indicate that human intelligence has a largely biological component.

> But they actively do all the time. At least locally where they have control.

That control has been weakening, and many of the competing factions are subversive by nature. This is probably a consequence of having a single dominant faction - only subversion can coexist with unchallengeable power. All others are crushed.

>>53769 [image transcribed]

> Nov 24, 2018 at 11:12pm

> What's next

> My plan was to do the remaster of the original conditioning session next. I'm aware, though, that since the Enforcement series ended up taking longer than I thought, there haven't been any more substantial new training tracks in a while, so I'm putting it to the vote.

>

> What do you want to see next?

>

> Mystery bonus tracks would be a new track or two to extend existing sessions, such as: a conditioning track for constant cock cravings; and a track similar to Mindlocked Cock Zombie that installs a temporary trap trigger for complete helpless braindead mode.

>

> B4mb1 Mental Makeover would be a new full-length session focused on training B4mb1 to be a ditzy, vacuous, superficial platinum blonde, mannerisms, speech and thought patterns, interests and lifestyle changes.

>

> (The bonus tracks would probably be the quickest thing to create. The new session would require the most new work, and although I've done some work to prepare for the remastering already it's just such a long session that it's bound to take a while.)

>

> [vote]

> B4mb1 Bimbodoll Conditioning session remastered

> 19

> Mystery bonus tracks

> 30

> B4mb1 Mental Makeover

> 48

>

> 97 votes total

>>57593

> Considering on the mental makeover he's currently working on - >>53769 - the risk for that is only increasing.

I've always said that B4mb1 Prime is probably operating from the bottom of a bimbosissy rabbit hole. Looks like B4mb1 Prime may have forgotten that changes in interests and lifestyle could impede the release of the finished product. We already know he faps while making the files and does his own QA…

A pity really, if that session isn't released. I've long wondered just how far B4mb1s can go before they can't use a computer anymore…

Considering that my project has its own "mental makeover" aspects… - … - …it's good that my goals are very different.

>>57614

> I wonder how powerful this mental makeover will be compared with Cock Zombie, Oblivion and the reinforcement tracks

If affects B4mb1 Prime enough to preclude its own release, quite powerful, but you won't be able to get it.

>>57590

>YOU HAVE TO CONTROL YOUR RAGE OR YOU'RE STUNTED!!!

Obviously.

>YOU'RE IGNORING ME!!!

I was agreeing?

>You're talking about learned helplessness.

No, I'm talking about people's priorities. If you're running from a bear, you're probably not thinking about motorcycle repair.

>YOU DON'T KNOW SCIENCE!!!

Okay.

>ONLY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT!

No, to an incredibly large extent. You're just flat wrong here.

>THAT YOU THINK APES ARE ANYTHING LIKE HUMANS IS LAUGHABLE!!!!

You're comparing humans to what amounts to mindless automatons that pretty much just follow smells and have no minds of their own. Ants are not punished for their bad behavior. They don't have minds to do so. How… intelligent do you think ants are…? Do you know how brains work?

>I DISAGREEE!!!

Yeah, I've been to China. There are sweatshops there. There are slaves in some places. This is somehow worse than the slavery in the past or the Great Leap Forward or Stalin's Russia… Okay.

Jesus Christ.

Well, I am on a B4mb1 board…

>>57589

>There's a minority opinion that autism is the result of very high IQ, or maybe it's how very high IQ people appear to less intelligent people and possibly even to each other.

I don't think that high IQ causes autism. I was merely stating that some people with high IQs also have autism and that the two can be interrelated in certain circumstances. Extreme intelligence in one area (brain structure geared towards quick systematic thinking and recall) can… sometimes leave the brain unstructured for other things. As pliable as the brain is… it's still a physical mass with limited space, neurons, etc. Some highly intelligent people are extremely anxious because they're geared towards taking in and processing a lot of information. Exceptions are exceptions. It means they deviate from the norm… likely structurally and genetically. Sometimes situationally too. Basically high IQ appears because of the causes of high IQ… and not all of those reasons are positive ones.

If you break it down by gender, you'd see more male geniuses (and morons). I generally chalk this up to women having some genetic protection against extremes with an XX. To get female geniuses you have to get past that XX protection. I would posit that the ones that do would be more stable per capita.

But genetic extremes are always less likely to be stable than averages. The more extreme, the less likely you'll get that stability. Stephen Hawking is an extreme. So is Albert Einstein, Howard Hughes, and Alan Turing.

Well… the upside is: As long as B4mb1guy is busy ranting like crazy, there won't be more of his shitty files. Or shilling. Too busy.

Silver lining in everything. Even sometimes in one idiot writing 90% of the posts on this board.

>>57616

>Are you saying that there was a social engineering campaign to stunt the development of men such that they become more aggressive?

Indirectly yes. Imagine being stuck as a teenager and never growing out of the high school mindset.

>Isn't this his point about regional influence on thought?

No, it's that the cause of trends is means of survival. It isn't. Humans are built to adapt and surV1v3. Strip everything external away and

humans are still uncontested apex predators that the usual rules of nature still just don't apply to. It's very easy as a human, surrounded

by humans, to never develop the capacity to understand just what Lovecraft-esque monsters we are compared to every other known species

that ever existed on this planet.

He's regressed to shitposting at this point because he refuses to break out of his worldview formed out of anecdotal pop science

derived from animal experiments. The whole basis they're conducted on something he doesn't even understand. I tried.

I would've had a lot of fun with a thought experiment like reproducing the mouse utopia with humans.

>Our knowledge of human genetics is incomplete and insufficient to rule out genetic causes for the observed variation in human intelligence. Adopted twin studies also indicate that human intelligence has a largely biological component.

Even if the cause is primarily biological, it might require external conditions to activate them. Such as I suggested earlier, someone raised in

conditions that require a great deal of problem solving ability from them. It is just speculation on my part, but isn't baseless.

I am now about to yet again, use an atypical critter as an example. Spiders. Specifically orb weavers. They're born instinctually knowing how

to build the orb pattern web. They don't even know why or what its for at first, but learn as they go after having first built one. Usually able

to retain memories for most of their lifespan, they even make small refinements to and improve the design. In other words, the web

pattern is in their DNA somewhere. So is the capacity to make improvements to it. Humans are not just tool users, they're tool makers. The

fact babies grasp objects and swing them around without being prompted or taught to do so is unnervingly similar to baby spiders

building and learning to use webs.

Change the spiders environment from its natural state enough however and it retards its ability to build and refine the web. The radical changes

that have taken place in day to day life since the industrial revolution has had similar consequences on human intelligence I think.

There's quite a bit to substantiate that we're getting dumber as a whole, due to ANT LIKE societal organization. Yet not nearly enough

time has passed for us to lose it like a vestigial tail. It had to go somewhere. Probably just tucked away in our evolutionary toolbox waiting

to be dusted off and used again.

I guess that could also explain why we're having so much trouble figuring it out. Needle in a haystack.

>>57635

Okay… I'm going to try one last time to explain this to you, as I think you're mistaking me "describing" as "prescribing"… so…

Men should obviously not be big loud angry neanderthals attacking everyone etc. It's just that men and women have differences and those differences will express themselves. Learning to channel natural tendencies is important and if you cut off ways to express, you're going to have them assert themselves anyway, occasionally positively, but probably overwhelmingly negatively. Since learning how to utilize those tendencies is never taught and internalized, and since there are no outlets for them, well… it just makes sense they'd just find some or viciously repress themselves.

This is why things like afterschool programs are useful in curbing things like gang activity. Without the outlet, young men, especially, will engage in their natural behaviors… just not in ways that are necessarily healthy.

Here's a random study I just googled.

h++p://www.sedl.org/pubs/sedl-letter/v20n02/afterschool_findings.html

This, I would imagine, applies to sexuality too. Repression generally leads to negative outcomes as what is natural will seek ways to express.

>I would've had a lot of fun with a thought experiment like reproducing the mouse utopia with humans.

Sure. This ties right into my point about survival priorities. Sans survival worries, humans start prioritizing the other parts of maslow's hierarchy of needs. One's internal identity becomes more important, since physical well-being starts to be taken for granted. People seem to forget that the survival of one's internal identity is also extremely important to well-being. If you think that you're a particular type of person, you'll defend that… and when you do something that contradicts your view of yourself, well… You don't feel like yourself. It's uncomfortable.

So what happens when people who have taken physical survival for granted start to form a community? They change focus. You'll see that things shift to the realm of ideas. It's no wonder that leisure gave rise to many of the ideas that we have today. When people were working most of the day, there wasn't much time or need to develop skills like reading. It's also why great thinkers and artists used to come from the upper classes. Free time.

Well, what if you have nothing but free time? What happens to NEETs? What happens to hipsters? What happens to people with no real understanding of physical survival? They become very divorced from these things. Why are men masculine biologically? What happens when that's no longer necessary? What happens after several generations of it being no longer necessary?

It's not… too hard to see what would happen. Testosterone drives a lot of sexual competition and interest. How quickly are humans reproducing in more developed countries (that are resource rich) versus countries that are less developed (and resource poor)?

>I am now about to yet again, use an atypical critter as an example. Spiders. Specifically orb weavers.

Orb weavers are interesting. Spiders are interesting. They're extremely intelligent. They need that intelligence for what they do. Intelligence takes a lot of energy and they're very careful with how they use their energy…

…but what you're describing here is "animals get better at what they're doing over time because they learn". Well… obviously. Wolf pups play. In fact many mammals (particularly social animals) play. Dolphins play. Why do you think they do that? Animals all improve over time. And some have better outcomes than others. Those with the best outcomes pass their genes on. Those with worse outcomes tend not to.

What you're saying isn't specific to spiders. Any intelligent animal does this. Ants don't.

Take any intelligent animal that learns out of its environment and drop them into a new one and they have to learn something new. Again, not specific to spiders.

And our society isn't specifically ant-like either… except in that it is a society at all… that has a hierarchy? Like… every society…? Please make the case for how uniquely ant-like human society is, if you're going to keep referencing it.

I don't mean this insultingly, but how do you rectify the argument "that's just mice, there are no human utopias" with "ants!"?

Anyway, back on topic, clearly the rise of B4mb1 stuff sort of points directly to mouse utopia stuff. It's a rising fetish. Coincides with school shooters, MGTOWs, and identity-related politics. Sure. Why not.

Why are any of you fucks surprised that the thread for files meant to turn people into retarded bimbos devolves into retardation. This is what happens when you listen to this faggotry.

>>57585

I'm not saying they're inherently useful

we agree that they're a sign of health

you just have it wrong on the causality: You said:

"Big tails make it more difficult to surV1v3 with, indicating that this peacock can surV1v3 with a big tail… so his genes must be extra good."

>indicating that this peacock can surV1v3 with a big tail

I don't know if it's a language barrier, but you seem to think that the element of sexual selection factors in that "oh shit that peacock can really afford to waste his resources, he must be particularly healthy" when it's not that. It's the tail being used as a heuristic for judging the being's health and then the being investing extra to spoof that mechanism.

>>57650

Being turned into a retarded bimbo would be an improvement compared to this pseudo-intellectual autism happening right in front of us.

>>57653

Then I communicated wrong. I didn't mean that female peacocks were selecting for that reason…

Just that the fact that they can surV1v3 with such a big tail is sort of counterproductive to survival and an indicator of especially good genes. I guess "That he can afford such a resource heavy sexual display and still surV1v3 shows his good genes."

The female peacocks aren't thinking this. They're thinking "I am attracted to the size of his tail. It's eye-catching."

Men aren't thinking "Wow, such big breasts indicate that she can surV1v3 even while lugging around those double Ds". They're probably thinking… something else.

I remember there was a dumb comedy, I think it was "The Gods Must be Crazy", where an aboriginal tribe makes fun of some woman for having big breasts. Something like "You'd have to hunt all day to feed those things! How ridiculous!" Dumb movie. I remembered that, though.

‘Being turned into a retarded bimbo would be an improvement compared to this pseudo-intellectual autism happening right in front of us.’…

I agree with you whole heartedly on this.

These fags are truly fags still talking about cheese analogues instead of hypnosis which is what this board is about. Not an image board as one fag stated.

>>57668

Yeah, but the new mod doesn't care as long as you aren't sageing his holy sticky and not doing this shit in any "straight" thread he's interested in.

I mean he pretty much started it by tampering with the original post.

If the mod isn't going to respect rightful threads why should the other anons do so?

> Considering on the mental makeover he's currently working on - >>53769 - the risk for that is only increasing.

they commented on the post recently.

> First two tracks are basically finished, third is scripted and just starting on the production work. Once that's done there's only the awakener to do for the first part which hopefully shouldn't take long. It's been a while but I don't want to release some exciting new tracks only for them to be over just as they get going! It's shaping up to be 45-50 minutes' worth of material.

>>57658

good, spot on there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcrxNBlqrbM

for human breasts it might be a lot more complicated, I like this take on it

>>57675

Thx for the update!

>>57642

So you've been manually copy/pasting the ideas and research of others to me for what purpose, other than to try to convince me to take them at

face value? I didn't when this was still new to me and trying to figure things out for myself. That isn't to say I disregard everything. Only

when it doesn't line up with whats tangible in front of me.

>This, I would imagine, applies to sexuality too. Repression generally leads to negative outcomes as what is natural will seek ways to express.

Depends what you mean by negative outcome. I'm also not disregarding the study. That's just plain common knowledge that never required a study to begin with.

>Sure. This ties right into my point about survival priorities.

I disagree that it would follow trends that can be observed in the real world. Yes, they would find ways to fill the abundance of free time like the

example used of the upper class. However this is without the pressures of greater outside influences.

They'd be left to create their own laws, culture, society and even language too. Things humans are just compelled to do without being prompted

to do so. That time would be filled with musings of where they came from, why they're there, who they are, as you said. There is a

progression of discovery they'd follow to actively shape their organization and culture. Maybe they would develop one with population control

as a guiding principle, left to chance in the form of combat. Or how they decide who gets to mate. Or both. Building on the failures of prior

generations who had to suffer a great deal of trial and error to relearn things we already know today.

It's only a matter of time before they learn that they're in an enclosure and try to escape it to see whats outside. Unlike the mice they can

fully learn and understand the implications of their situation. They aren't limited to simply reacting to it.

>It's not… too hard to see what would happen. Testosterone drives a lot of sexual competition and interest. How quickly are humans reproducing in more developed countries (that are resource rich) versus countries that are less developed (and resource poor)?

You're still hung up on supposing you already know the answer to how they'd behave just because so many real world conditions parallel

the concept of the experiment. Of course if you take them and drop them into the experiment, they'd act exactly how you expect them to.

That's why for the idea to work you need to start over with blank slates. To ensure the behavior is entirely natural in those conditions and not a

developmental dysfunction ingrained in them by outside influences. Like the way we organize on a macro scale.

>>57679

Cont.

>…but what you're describing here is "animals get better at what they're doing over time because they learn". Well… obviously. Wolf pups play. In fact many mammals (particularly social animals) play. Dolphins play. Why do you think they do that? Animals all improve over time. And some have better outcomes than others. Those with the best outcomes pass their genes on. Those with worse outcomes tend not to.

I used spiders in particular because they have a specific trait in common with humans that none of these other animals do and it isn't learning.

It's using a tool without having to be prompted or taught to do so. It's a part of their genes in the same way humans instinctively pick things up

and swing them around like weapons as soon as they're able to do so.

Ants also do something no other species but humans can do. You're not wrong that individually, ants are very stupid. However as a

group they gain group intelligence by a means of storing information externally in the form of pheromone markers. It's a different kind of

intelligence specialized to serve a massive group, where it becomes functionally advantageous for individuals to only be as

intelligent as they need to be. Which isn't much when all they need to do is follow trails other ants left before them. Ant behavior gets smarter

in giant groups, but humans inversely get dumber. That isn't a coincidence. Humans have a built in swarm mode that gets switched on for

warfare because otherwise, it would be like herding cats to a common objective.

That sort of thing hints at a much deeper adaptability in humans than just learning. Which is where I was going with all this to begin with.

That even if the cause of high IQ is purely genetic, it's expression is probably moderated by an internal mechanism to ensure the

individual isn't detrimentally smarter or dumber than they need to be for their environment. In that case, it'll never be as easy as just finding

the right genes to figure it out. It might turn out everyone has them. I was also trying to demonstrate that there is no individual species

that can be used to get insight into human behavior. We're more like chimeras with the best traits of every species.

I guess that's why I've taken such an interest in discussing it here. If intelligence can be switched on or off by cheating that mechanism, that would certainly support my theory.

Jesus is the entire second half if this thread this one rambling faggot samefaging for ages?

>>57635

> Imagine being stuck as a teenager and never growing out of the high school mindset.

I don't have to imagine. I need only look at the people around me to see it.

> I would've had a lot of fun with a thought experiment like reproducing the mouse utopia with humans.

So a human colony tended by robots on a distant terraformed planet?

Robots land on a lifeless rock, terraform it, and thaw out the frozen zygotes in the artificial wombs. Science ensues.

> it might require external conditions to activate them

It's known that poor conditions in childhood impede the development of human intelligence.

> someone raised in conditions that require a great deal of problem solving ability from them

Care to speculate what those conditions could be?

>>57642

> How quickly are humans reproducing in more developed countries (that are resource rich) versus countries that are less developed (and resource poor)?

So you're saying that human libido depends on struggling to remain alive? That would be an interesting hypothesis for the collapse of civilizations…

>>57650

> This is what happens when you listen to this faggotry.

Some of us don't. Interesting that you seem to consider an intelligent conversation retardation.

>>57668

> These fags are truly fags still talking about cheese analogues instead of hypnosis which is what this board is about.

And the discussion is about the nature of reality and human perception and mind, which - in case you're unaware - is the foundation on which hypnosis is built. It's a complex code - not something any of us are consciously aware of - but this discussion is a bunch of aspiring hypnotists working to hone their craft.

> Not an image board as one fag stated.

Au contraire, mon ami!

You're aware that trolling is a time-honored imageboard tradition and you're feeding the trolls with this whining, right?

>>57669

> Yeah, but the new mod doesn't care as long as you aren't sageing his holy sticky and not doing this shit in any "straight" thread he's interested in.

This thread is active, so we converse here.

> I mean he pretty much started it by tampering with the original post.

A most interesting choice of words…

> If the mod isn't going to respect rightful threads why should the other anons do so?

That's rich, considering the levels of B4mb1 spam that have plagued this board. You don't like the shoe on the other foot?

>>57679

> It's only a matter of time before they learn that they're in an enclosure and try to escape it to see whats outside. Unlike the mice they can fully learn and understand the implications of their situation.

Look around you, then up. Gravity makes interesting walls, doesn't it?

>>57680

> It's using a tool without having to be prompted or taught to do so.

The other great apes have also been observed to fabricate and use tools. The example I'm familiar with is a picking up a stick, removing any leaves or branches to reduce it to a straight-ish piece of wood, and poking the stick into a termite mound to collect termites on the stick, which are then eaten. Insert the stick into the mound again to collect more termites. Repeat until the stick has too many alarm pheromones on it, then get a new stick and start the process over again.

> Humans have a built in swarm mode that gets switched on for warfare because otherwise, it would be like herding cats to a common objective.

Yet the most effective modern militaries on Earth shun that thinking and prefer to send the "cats" out…

> We're more like chimeras with the best traits of every species.

Are we? Or do we impute our own traits into other species?

> If intelligence can be switched on or off by cheating that mechanism, that would certainly support my theory.

I'm very interested in this concept, any ideas how that could be done?

>>57685

> Jesus is the entire second half if this thread this one rambling faggot samefaging for ages?

No samefag. Only Anonymous now.

>>57685

>Jesus is the entire second half if this thread this one rambling faggot samefaging for ages?

It always is.

>>57686

>That's rich, considering the levels of B4mb1 spam that have plagued this board. You don't like the shoe on the other foot?

A good mod should clean up heavily derailed threads no matter what.

In this case since this discussion is so long I'd like to see the whole last part moved to it's own thread and continued there if possible, but it's just continuously off topic here, hurting the overall posting discipline which the new mod himself complains about repeatedly.

Also if he fucked up the OPs in the other threads as well at least every topic would be treated equally shitty. That's not the case either, so in my opinion whatever he's done till now damaged the board more than it improved it.

>>57686

>So a human colony tended by robots on a distant terraformed planet?

I would be worried the ones funding this actually would be intending to use it as an experiment.

>Care to speculate what those conditions could be?

I would be willing to wager individuals from hardcore Amish communities would score significantly higher in IQ than most other

samples. The reason being, the way they live requires facing problems and fixing them themselves rather than pawning responsibility

off onto someone else with money.

>Look around you, then up. Gravity makes interesting walls, doesn't it?

Thank you for getting that.

>The other great apes have also been observed to fabricate and use tools.

The difference is this is memetic behavior and not genetic. They learn from watching their parents and other apes do it and is inherited

that way. Manipulating objects comes naturally to them, but fashioning and using them as tools. The first apes to have done so had

something special about them the others didn't and still don't.

>Yet the most effective modern militaries on Earth shun that thinking and prefer to send the "cats" out…

They do. Air and mechanized superiority. Better to have cats operating multi-million dollar machines than lemmings. If you're an

infantrymen though.. You're fucked if we ever see another world war.

>Are we? Or do we impute our own traits into other species?

Why wouldn't we? We have to be able to empathize with them somehow to cohabitate.

>I'm very interested in this concept, any ideas how that could be done?

It must work like the way we can build and lose muscle. So if you wanted to make yourself smarter you'd need to live with

self imposed handicaps. When you need to go somewhere, don't use GPS. When you need to know the answer to a question, do the long-

hand math yourself instead of looking up the answer.

That's the simplest answer, but I think it's deeper than that. Tied into the way the brain likes to try and reward good behavior and punish

bad. Which people popularly think can be trained and spoofed, but I.. Don't. I think the subconscious is too smart to be fooled. I'd go

into more detail if I had time.

>>57693

Please say you have some more jpgs like that one. Please?

>>57719

>tfw you will never have a Christian Oorthodox Traditionalist wife who wants nothing more than to pop out babies and revolt against the modern world

Why live?

>>57693

> liturgy of St. John Chrysostom

text source link?

>>57716

> >So a human colony tended by robots on a distant terraformed planet?

> I would be worried the ones funding this actually would be intending to use it as an experiment.

The first terraformed colonies will be experiments no matter what we call them, much like landing on the moon was an experiment the first time - the astronauts stayed in the lander for an hour to make sure that they hadn't landed on quicksand. The idea of leaving most of the lander on the moon was another mitigation for this risk - if the lander had begun to sink, the astronauts would have simply fired the ascent motor and launched back into orbit - and they'd have about half the time required for the lander to sink to react before the ascent stage would be anywhere near danger.

> >Care to speculate what those conditions could be?

> I would be willing to wager individuals from hardcore Amish communities would score significantly higher in IQ than most other samples. The reason being, the way they live requires facing problems and fixing them themselves rather than pawning responsibility off onto someone else with money.

But that's not the way the Amish live - they're tightly linked amongst their communities, and the famous prohibition on electricity is not actually a prohibition on electricity - the Amish are forbidden to depend on the outside world. Electricity comes from outside the community, therefore it may not be used. If the Amish were to build their own generating plants and their own isolated grid, they could have electricity much like we do, but they don't consider this effort worthwhile.

> >Look around you, then up. Gravity makes interesting walls, doesn't it?

> Thank you for getting that.

I miss the old Space Elevator threads sometimes.

>The other great apes have also been observed to fabricate and use tools.

> The difference is this is memetic behavior and not genetic. They learn from watching their parents and other apes do it and is inherited that way. Manipulating objects comes naturally to them, but fashioning and using them as tools. The first apes to have done so had something special about them the others didn't and still don't.

And most human tool-making and tool-using behavior isn't inherited from watching others?

Even an instruction manual is really another human demonstrating the use of a tool. That the demonstration takes the form of written words rather than physical actions is merely an artifact of our ability to use language - which does seem to be unique to humans, although tools are not.

> >Yet the most effective modern militaries on Earth shun that thinking and prefer to send the "cats" out…

> They do. Air and mechanized superiority. Better to have cats operating multi-million dollar machines than lemmings. If you're an infantrymen though.. You're fucked if we ever see another world war.

What infantrymen? Even those are small groups - more cats than lemmings - these days.

> >Are we? Or do we impute our own traits into other species?

> Why wouldn't we? We have to be able to empathize with them somehow to cohabitate.

There's a well-known phenomenon called pareidolia where humans tend to see human faces in noise. I suspect a similar phenomenon in seeing our own traits in other species.

> >I'm very interested in this concept, any ideas how that could be done?

> It must work like the way we can build and lose muscle. So if you wanted to make yourself smarter you'd need to live with self imposed handicaps. When you need to go somewhere, don't use GPS. When you need to know the answer to a question, do the long-hand math yourself instead of looking up the answer.

Seems simple enough.

> That's the simplest answer, but I think it's deeper than that. Tied into the way the brain likes to try and reward good behavior and punish bad. Which people popularly think can be trained and spoofed, but I.. Don't. I think the subconscious is too smart to be fooled.

So the basic method is to reward intellectual effort? What is there to spoof?

> I'd go into more detail if I had time.

You have plenty of time. Please do go into more detail. This is very interesting.

what the fuck happened to this thread?

>>57782

Too much time without an update, I suppose.

Our autists are becoming even more autistic.

so the thread's over the bump limit

i'm reluctant to make a new thread if we just gonna get trolled

maybe it's time to wait until there's a new set of files

>>57773

> liturgy of St. John Chrysostom text source link?

www.goarch.org/-/the-divine-liturgy-of-saint-john-chrysostom

>>57785

> Too much time without an update, I suppose.

Deprived of lulz, we took the opportunity to make our own.

> Our autists are becoming even more autistic.

And climbing a mountain. When the top is reached, there'll be some awesome new hypno for all to enjoy. It's even bigger up close. I don't know how long the climb will take anymore.

>>57792

> so the thread's over the bump limit

So it is.

> i'm reluctant to make a new thread if we just gonna get trolled

The branched discussion that took over most of the second half of this thread will ride this thread down or split into its own thread. We won't follow you into the new B4mb1 thread. I can't guarantee the new thread won't be mod trolled, though. That surprised us, too.

>>57796

Thanks.

>>57790

Stop focusing on the very, very tiny proportion of cheese comments in this thread if you don't like them and talk about whatever you want.

What is consciousness anyways? Do we even know? It really makes you think

>>57863

That's been touched on a few times in the discussion, yes.

Does anyone know how bad the long-term effects are listening to this audio? I've listened to the first file and I tried to break out of hypnosis because I'm scared what the consequences are. The first file was already really strong for me. I want to listen, but I don't want to a brainless bimbo because I should finish my degree.