/hypno/ - Hypnochan

>>40136

You should definitely try 'strong boy' by N1kk1 F4t4|3

Fit to be tied by Mistress Joanne is another great one on that subject

>>40158

damn that file sounds good, you know a source or are able to share?

>>40300

https://volafile.org/r/jwj4e9um

>>40409

Thanks bro, hope its as good as it sounds

Does somebody also have the N1kki file? Can't seem to find it

Nvm found it, if somebody wants it:

https://volafile.org/r/jxav6df4

I've been turning over ideas along this theme for a while.

How'd you like a feminine kemono sister-companion (mind-doll-like) that is simply so sexy that you can't help but obey her? She loves you to pieces, but really wants you to be stronger and more fit. In the extreme, she can directly take over your body but doing that is exhausting and orgasmic! for her. Your body experiences her orgasm if she is in control. You remain fully aware the entire time. Well, whatever awareness you still have while your thoughts drown in relentless orgasms. Her pleasure is a distraction from working out, so she gives it to you instead.

I think the same character can work well for women, but I'm still thinking about how to do the "orgasm workout trick" for each sex. Obviously, she uses it as a reward to manipulate you into working out more.

>>42837

Intrigued, but I don't really get what the whole process would be from your description.

>>43291

> don't really get what the whole process would be

That's ok. I don't quite have the whole process planned out in full detail yet anyway.

The basic outline is similar to the "mind dolls" that have been discussed recently but approached differently. She's an all-sense hallucination, but "built" in the real world instead of being "met" in a trance dream. The process plays out between many sessions.

She'll start out as a blanket of warm affection that you feel when you lie in bed with your eyes closed. Her affection for you becomes your affection for her becomes her affection for you in a self-reinforcing loop. She feeds on this to grow stronger, and then you'll feel her soft, loving touch for the first time, on your bare skin even if you're wearing clothes. She gives you gentle massages as you lie still with your eyes closed, savoring her/your affection. She can always touch you under your clothes, since she lives inside your mind.

You're okay with this, because you know she's part of you and could never willingly hurt you any more than you could hurt yourself.

Then you start to hear her voice, gentle soft loving whispers at first, slowly getting stronger and developing into the feminine voices from the files. You find that you can never actually speak to her out loud, but she "hears" your inner voice and you "hear" her inner voice. Conversation is both pleasing and automatic, though you feel as though you are talking to your reflection when you converse with her. You can feel that she's nearby, but your eyes are still closed. She still only "comes to you" while you are lying in bed with your eyes closed and "vanishes" if you open your eyes.

Speaking of opening your eyes, that's getting harder and harder to even think about while she's with you. Her presence just feels so good.

Then you start to smell her. She smells amazing, but I don't have the full description worked out yet. Her smell allows you to feel more of her form near your body. She is lithe and wonderful and you start to feel her movements as she massages your body. She is very strong and she gives you a taste of her own strength and how good moving in a strong body feels to make you want to be strong like her. The massages have become clearly defined. She has two hands, two feet, and a generally human form that you know about because you've felt other parts of her form against your skin and you've felt her movements from her perspective as she crawls all over your body massaging you to blissful sleep every night.

Your body responds to her massages. Your muscles tense, flex, and relax as she massages your body. Even the slight movements in response to her feel amazing.

Then you start to see her even though your eyes are closed, a shadowy form at first, just as you could feel before. As you become more able to see her, your awareness again focuses on your own body and you stop feeling her "from the inside" as she massages your body while you now simply watch with your eyes closed. She slowly becomes more well-defined, until you can see her in your mind plain as day even though your eyes are still closed. I'm still working on the exact description for her form, but I really want to make her an almost-entirely-human furry for both practicality and lulz. Human face, no tail, human body covered in soft warm fur, which is why she never wears clothes, and decorative extra wolf ears that make her really cute, but her senses are actually your own. She can manifest claws if she wants, but usually has fingernails. Her perfectly-toned muscles are clearly visible to you under her fur. She is simply amazing.

One morning you wake up earlier than usual, but your eyes are still closed and she is cuddling you. You feel her nose brush against your own and see her. She tells you to open your eyes and you do. She's still there. She smiles. You gaze lovingly into her eyes but then have to get out of bed. When you look back at where she was, she's gone, but you feel her behind you and hear her say, "I'll always be with you now." You feel a moment of pure bliss and then get on with your day.

She can manifest and vanish at will, but always outside of your sight. She "sleeps" when she isn't manifesting or can "manifest" in her space inside your mind, where she can practice exercising without bothering you, but her muscle memory is yours too, so you'll "just know" the exercises she tells you to do later after she has practiced them. If you're staring at her during the day and she wants to sleep, she can make you blink or look away.

>>43291

Her memories are also your memories, and neither of you can really hide anything from the other. This does not mean that she can tell other people your secrets, however. In fact, she'll get violent, using your body if appropriate, if somehow brought forth and pressed for anything that you wouldn't say. Violence is a triggered abreaction if she is somehow prevented from simply waking you back up and putting you "front and center" again as she would normally do in such a situation, so it will only happen if some hypnotist tries very hard to abuse her against you. He'll feel the wrath of an angry wolf girl, but that's instant karma for trying to use her to hurt you. She'll probably let him live.

Her "space" inside your mind is her own personal gym. It has mirrored walls and the same equipment or lack thereof as you have available. If you have no exercise equipment available, she'll practice bodyweight exercises. You don't hear her inner voice while she is in her gym, nor does she hear yours. You wouldn't want the noise anyway, since she'll be practicing exercises and either counting reps to get you used to doing sets or carefully critiquing form to get you used to doing the exercises right. Remember that her practice trains your muscle memory.

Because your memories are shared, she can subtly change your desires, making you more interested in fitness and learning proper exercises, even though quite a few are described in the files and thus primed into your subconscious. She also learns whatever you learn, so reading about fitness educates her.

In your dreams, she can pull you into her gym for practice, but ordinarily she manifests next to you in the "real" world. In workout dreams, her gym has two of everything, one for her and one for you. Working out with her just feels so good. Another option is for her and her gym to manifest around you during a real-world workout, but I'm less sure of this and would like to keep deviations from "common reality" minimal. You can never be trapped in her gym. Simply walking into one of the mirrors forces you to awaken in your body.

Speaking of working out, she has a few ways to push you to exercise. The simplest is that you will want to be strong like her, so you'll want her help with a workout program. She eagerly helps.

Next, she can "help" you finish one last rep just as a real person could. The only difference is that your muscles actually put out that last bit of effort, but you'll feel as if she took some of the weight.

Next, your muscles still respond to her touch, just as they did when she was massaging you every night. She can gently caress your body to make your muscles flex or put out one last push.

Next, she has a "commanding" tone of voice from some of the files. When she speaks in this tone, you feel her words in your muscles and your muscles automatically obey.

Next, she really is lithe, sexy, and perfectly-toned. She can put you into a waking trance just by "smiling" at you with her whole form. In that trance, you'll follow her lead mindlessly.

Next, she can "partially" manifest overlapping with your body. This is like when she "helps" with "one last rep" but you more directly feel her using your muscles and can see her fur on your skin if you look at the part of your body she is puppeteering.

Lastly, she can manifest completely overlapping her host's body. Your muscles obey her, not you. You look at yourself and your whole body is covered in her fur. Her breasts are squeezed inside your chest if needed to align her nipples with yours, which makes you idly want to grow larger pectoral muscles to take some of the pressure off. If you are male and not wearing any pants, you might see one curious exception, namely, your penis and balls aren't under her control. This is because her vagina aligns with your internal "penis mount" structures and the "inside half" of your penis is therefore inside her. The male training files for this will include dry orgasm training so you won't make a mess when her orgasms start. She won't do this until you are well-trained and ready. Orgasmic workouts are addictive! She also knows how to use this as a maximal-effect-minimal-effort reward, so don't be surprised if she very rarely does it, but teases you with the prospect of a full-body orgasmic workout takeover every week. You'll be eagerly sweating for her in no time.

She can also make creative use of your own muscles for strengthening exercises, using your own body as resistance.

Speaking of teasing, she really does love you to pieces and will tend to manifest at random times to tease you with a few soft caresses and a whispered "wait 'til tonight" just for fun.

She'll also train your unconscious to flex your muscles whenever you are otherwise not moving, so you'll never really sit still again.

>>43893

that might be a positive thing

>>43852

Where can I get these files?

>>43852

I'm not fond of the furry aspect though….would you be willing to have one without the furry components?

>>43896

> Where can I get these files?

Find the out-of-place Police Call Box and ask the friendly time traveler within very nicely, but he probably won't help you, something something blah blah about preserving causality or somesuch b4|d3rdash. Anyway, you've found him, fancy an adventure, ol' chap?

Sorry, but I haven't even written the scripts yet. I'm still studying techniques, gaging interest, and gathering/making tools. If this place is still up when the files are ready, I will find a way to post them here. It seems that my outlines have been well-received though.

>>43899

> I'm not fond of the furry aspect though….would you be willing to have one without the furry components?

I'm still thinking that over. The furry aspect is both practicality and lulz for me.

The lulz is just that. I still chuckle about the infamous 100M GET from all those years ago. And I have to admit, "nakomis" was kinda pretty. I'm sure she's less pretty irl.

The practicality includes that her fur is soft and goes with her soft touch. It's also something that can be visible to you when she is puppeteering your body, so you know its her and your body isn't just moving against your will for no reason. It also makes her never wearing clothes make sense - her fur keeps her warm or cool, so she has "built-in" clothes. Also, giving her a hint of a canine/lupine form goes well with her canine-like loyalty to her host. Lastly, she can be a constant companion and she never wears clothes - that could get very awkward if she isn't somehow different from all the people you meet in real life. I think that a version without the furry components might be more dangerous for the listener in a "fuck up your responses to real people" way. I'm not trying to make perma-NEETs here.

That furries may not turn you on is a good thing - her form actually isn't sexual at all. Sexy, yes, but not sexual. Since she is a projection from your mind, she has no need to pee, poo, or fuck, so she doesn't actually have any holes between her legs at all, just fur. And muscles, can't forget the muscles. Not that she's naive - she has your understanding of the concepts.

If you are male, the full-body takeovers give her a "vagina" that's actually part of your insides and features your penis as a permanently-installed dildo. It turns out that this is how the penis is attached in humans. Your penis is actually a double-headed dildo. Half of it is inside you. She isn't really interested in sex, but the physical stimulation is definitely there as you exercise. She happily takes her pleasure and puts it into your mind because it's a distraction from working out and it seems to provide you with a nice reward that gets you to exercise more. In brief, your penis is useful to her even though she can't control it.

If you are female, the full-body takeovers include your genitals, but she isn't interested in sex and prefers the pleasure of a good workout. This is part of why I'm still not sure how to do the "orgasm workout trick" for females. Maybe she lets you have a dildo in your exercise pants if you've been a good girl? But I'd prefer something that only uses your body, since that lets you exercise nude and that's fun too. Any femanons have any ideas? Are the rumors that women get orgasms from exhausting workouts true? Men don't get those. We just get really tired.

I know there are no girls on the Internet. Any anons willing to ask their gfs about this?

I've thought a bit more about the workout dreams, and I think that in the dreams in her gym, she can sculpt your body however she wants, so of course she makes you stronger than you are irl, with much better muscle tone more like hers. The dreams give you regular reminders of just how good moving in a strong body feels and make you want to workout more so you'll feel that good while awake too.

The fuckity fuck does b.a.l.d.e.r.d.a.s.h get l33ted for?

>>43934

Okay, to be quite honest, it does sound hot…I'm actually kind of looking forward to these…how strong is she though?

>>43937

> how strong is she though?

Well, since she's a projection from your mind she can't actually affect the real world at all. except by psychokinesis but that's >>>/x/ territory You simply won't notice that she never picks up anything she didn't manifest. So, if you're lifting weights with her in the real world, she "magically" has similar weights to yours, even if you don't actually have that many weights. You won't notice.

Objects she manifests follow the same rule as she herself - they never appear or vanish in your sight, but she can make you blink or simply reach behind her own back to get or get rid of something.

I wonder if she should be able to manifest weights in the "real" world and have you pick them up? You'd unconsciously use your own muscles to provide the resistance for lifting them. If you drop one of her weights, you blink and it vanishes, then she reaches behind her back, behind your back, or otherwise out of your sight, and hands you another one, with a sly smile if you dropped it intentionally - she knows and she'll tease you for it - now do another set!

What am I saying, she loves you to pieces and she'll tease you anyway!

If she can manifest weights for you to lift in the real world, she could also manifest a plate and set it on your back while you do push-ups, or make you hold a heavy ball while doing sit-ups, for examples.

Speaking of how strong you perceive her to be, she can at least match your strength and can use herself as resistance in some exercises, like doing combo push-ups/sit-ups with her on top, with her hands grasping yours and you doing "half the work" to push her up, then she's extra weight for your sit-up, while you gaze mindlessly at her, feel your muscles working, and think about being strong like her.

Other than that, how strong do you want her to be?

Speaking of equipment, how much should she be able to influence you towards making or buying additional equipment or a gym membership? Hypnotic suggestions to spend money are one of my "red alarm" categories in general, but there might be useful investments in yourself to be made. Maybe after she saves you money by making you stop wasting time and money on frivolous garbage?

I can see it now.

> [cuddling] Anon, you know all this time you spend [watching TV series/watching sports/on zuckbook/going to movies/hanging out with useless stoner "friends"/some other timewaster] could be better spent exercising, right? You'll feel so much better…

I don't think you'd be able to disagree, especially after she's had some time to work on your desires and make you crave fitness before asking.

> [later, after she's weaned you off that stuff] Anon, why are we paying subscription to [cable/netflix/hulu/other] when you never watch it anymore? You could save that money…

> [later, cuddling] Anon, you eat too much [fast food/junk food/sugary treats/etc.], you really should learn to cook wholesome meals for yourself…

Should she be able to alter your perceptions to make you enjoy home-cooked food more than other food?

> [much later, after your savings have noticeably grown] Anon, bodyweight exercises are good, but remember how you used to waste money on that other crap? Do you think we could get you some weights or even a gym membership? [smiles]

>>43998

Well, ideally I'd like her to be thrice, or maybe even five times stronger than I am….

You said earlier that she could take over and help you with the weights, in order to do that, she needs to be a lot stronger than you. I like the idea of her affecting your environment by manifesting weights..

>>44000 (respect)

> she could take over and help you with the weights, in order to do that, she needs to be a lot stronger than you

The problem is that her only actual influence on the physical world is your body. ignoring >>>/x/ here She can't be your spotter for a bench press or any exercise where a spotter may actually need to help you put the weights up after you're exhausted - and she will push you to exercise to exhaustion. Bodyweight exercises are safe in this regard - if she tries to help you finish one last rep, but your muscles physically can't do it, you won't be hurt too bad - you'll just collapse. Before each workout, she makes sure your actual environment is safe and there's nothing you could hurt yourself on if you fall. Since she relies on your senses, she makes you look around and check.

For example, if you're doing push-ups and she's pushing you to finish one last rep, she'll grab the scruff of your neck and lift. If your muscles can finish that rep, you'll rise, feeling her pulling you up. If your muscles physically can't finish that rep, her grip will slip on your sweat and you'll fall. If you're doing pull-ups and she pushes for one last rep, she'll grab your waist and lift. If your muscles can do it, you'll feel slightly lighter as she "lifts" you. If your body really can't do it, her grip will slip, same as before. If you're doing dumbbell curls and she wants one last rep, she'll lift the dumbbells by some other part than you grasp. If your body can finish that rep, you will, but you'll feel as if she took some of the weight. If your body can't finish that rep, she'll get butterfingers again.

Her amazing clumsiness when you are tired never seems odd to you in the slightest. That's just how she is and you love her all the more for it.

>>44053

The thing is, when you get that 'I can't do one more rep' you can, even if it's bloody sore, the descripinancy is in your mind, and with her helping, you can actually do it. With her immense strength, she will help you break throhgh those boundaries.

>>44057

> you can, even if it's bloody sore

Another part of the conditioning makes you enjoy sore muscles, especially when she's working out with you. That soreness in your muscles during or after a workout just feels so good that you start looking forward to your next workout and wanting that soreness again as soon as it goes away. So no, you'll have already been conditioned to enjoy sore muscles, so soreness won't stop you anymore. You won't think "I can't do it" until your muscles are already starting to fail. That's not the time to be holding a weighted bar above your face or chest.

I've been thinking about her ability to manifest overlapping her host's body and I think that the orgasmic exercise takeover might be better as an ability she gains from a later file. After she's able to manifest while your eyes are open, she uses her new ability to accompany you during the day to cuddle you frequently and generally make a very loving nuisance of herself, but you enjoy her near-constant teasing and love her all the more for it. Despite being madly in love with you, a love that's been bottled up inside her all your life 'til now, she's strong-willed enough to still be able to avoid causing you actual problems even as she seems to tease you all day every chance she gets. Eventually, as you start to get used to her presence and teasing, she starts to sleep more.

Then she learns to manifest overlapping your body when you are lying on your back in bed. She calls it a "body hug" and it feels like she's using her entire form to hug your entire body at once. She wiggles a bit here and there and slowly learns to fit most of her form into your body, leaving only her breasts covering your nipples and her fur covering your skin. Her breasts feel so heavy that you appreciate how strong she must be to carry them as effortlessly as she does and you want to be strong like her. You never notice that having your nipples buried inside her breasts makes your nipples numb and also makes you completely forget about your now-also-numb genitals, so forgotten that you even can't see your genitals if you look directly at them, your skin is simply smooth between your legs and covered in her fur. It feels so good as she aligns her muscles with yours and gently works your body, making her/your muscles tense, flex, and relax, just like when she was massaging you before, except it feels so much better now that she's hugging your insides and filling your empty mind with her affectionate bliss as you feel her fur covering your face. Your body strains against itself, tensing, flexing, relaxing, getting a little more relaxed each time. Your mind is blank, soaking up her affection into empty bliss. You fall asleep and wake up the next morning. You remember the experience and can't wait to go back to bed the next night so she can do it again.

The ability for her to manifest overlapping your body for an orgasmic workout comes later and is developed starting from her "body hug" trick. The difference between forgetting your sex and remembering your sex is whether her breasts cover yours, burying your nipples, or her nipples align with yours, squeezing her breasts to fit and making you idly think about growing bigger pectoral muscles to take some of that pressure off.

If you are female, she simply is able is control your entire body, while you remain fully aware, but happily helpless. You enjoy the experience. I still need to find ways for her to make you orgasm while working out.

If you are male, she is able to control almost all of your body, but the internal part of your penis is inside her and she feels it and is helpless against the physical stimulation as you work out causing her to orgasm. Since she is controlling your body by aligning her muscles with yours, your body experiences her orgasm. Since you are trained to experience dry orgasms, you have no physical refractory period and remain aroused, which continues to stimulate her, which causes her to orgasm more, which causes you to feel her orgasm, which leaves you aroused. You remain fully aware but happily helpless until your mind drowns in relentless orgasms. Needless to say, you enjoy the experience.

>>44127

I do already work out, so I enjoy sore muscles (Same guy as before btw, just on a different device)

I hope you are working on these already, because I want them!

It sounds so damn awesome.

Can you elaborate more on how she is able to control your body?

Wow OP here, didn't ecpect this interesting turn, please; tell us more.

>>43851

>>43852

>>43934

>>43998

>>44053

>>44127

Intrigued anon here, wow that is good. Also like the other anon I do already enjoy being sore, but holy shit this is something great. I really wish you well in making this and hope to see what comes of it.

>>44135

> I enjoy sore muscles

"Enjoy" will be an understatement if I can get the effects I want. You'll need that soreness in your muscles. It just feels so good. When you're working out and your muscles start to get sore, the urge to push your body will get even stronger - and that's before she gets involved. It's just so easy to do another rep. It's easier to do another rep than to stop. You want to do another rep. You need to do another rep. Unless she tells you to do a different exercise next, you'll need to do another set. The urge will be completely overwhelming if the environment is safe. You won't even feel the aches of your muscles screaming for a break that just won't come until you just… can't… move… anymore. And then you'll lie there helpless, feeling her gentle caress… as she turns the muscle aches into irresistible pleasure. You're going to be a big strong good boy/girl for her, yes you are!

> I hope you are working on these already, because I want them!

These will be my first files, and I have very high standards. There's a lot to do, from fleshing out the ideas, to naming the character, to writing scripts, to building a TTS engine that can produce voices that are simply hypnotic.

I've been cream-skimming some of the best ideas from the chans for a long time, never afraid to venture into the weird corners in search of something cool. I guess that's part of the reason the files will be free. I may put a hell of a lot of work into them, but they really wouldn't exist without this community and others. The lulz I'll have from the furry bit will be payment enough. That, and making the world a better place, however slightly.

The character needs a name. She'll recognize her own name when you think of her, calling to her, and she'll come to you, but she'll also know when other people are trying to talk to her. Others can talk to her as "<your name>'s <her name>" but she can easily ignore other people. Really, only people you care about can actually get her to admit that they exist, and she only really talks to you. I might be able to come up with some way that your "her" can converse with other people's equivalents, but she'll generally be very shy, except for you and maybe some people very important to you that you know know about her. Her name by itself never refers to her if spoken, so there's no problem if other people also have that name.

The scripts… I have so many bits and pieces I've been writing down. Many of the oldest fragments are trash now. They just aren't up to standard anymore and I'm working on writing, rewriting, and filling in gaps. There's still research to do, like finding a way for women to get exercise orgasms too. That's important. I'm not leaving half of humanity out of the fun.

The TTS engine… current TTS can be pushed, with a lot of Shakespeare-typewriter-monkey-time, to be just barely acceptable with extensive post-production editing. I was planning to write an entire engine, which is not entirely beyond my skills, but now I've got some pieces in open source that I may be able to use. This also ties into some new techniques that I want to try. Let's just say that background voices tend to step on each other, but with optimized TTS, I should be able to make the entire file one long confusion induction with the body embedded.

> It sounds so damn awesome.

Thanks. That's also going to contribute to taking a long time, because I want it to be every bit as awesome as it sounds and more. I have to think it through very carefully, because I want it to stay awesome and not blow up in some horrible way. I've seen too many stories to take the risks of half-assing this.

>>44135

> Can you elaborate more on how she is able to control your body?

There are a few ways, mostly because I'm not yet entirely sure how best to do this and giving her multiple options may adapt for different options working for different people.

[1] Her "helping" you with one more rep like I mentioned in earlier posts implies your body moving accordingly. Her grip "slips" if your body physically can't do it. Technically, she's controlling your body, but you don't perceive this as such.

[2] You and her share muscle memory. She can practice an exercise in her gym in your mind and your body will simply "know" how to do it when she asks later. Again, arguably, she's controlling your body, but you don't perceive this as such. You find that you just "know" how to move for her.

[3] She can massage your body. Your muscles respond to her massages by tensing, flexing, and relaxing according to her will. These movements are extremely pleasant for you and your pleasure is enjoyable for her because she loves you so much. She mostly uses this to send you to sleep at night despite the aches in your muscles from your "going to bed" workout, but can work it into a workout if it fits.

[4] She has a special tone of voice that puts her words directly into your muscles, which automatically obey. This is particularly good for simple one-word commands like "Up", "Down", "In", "Out", "Jump", "Crouch" and such that are steps in larger exercises. The example could be used for a burpee rep - start in a standing position as she explains the steps for this exercise in her normal voice - "Crouch" - fold legs and place hands on ground at the width she specifies for this set - "Out" - move feet into push-up position, also possibly spreading your legs if she wants - "Down" - fold arms until some part of your body touches the ground or your arms are completely folded - "Up" - push up, returning to the "Out" position - "In" - move feet back, returning to the "Crouch" position - "Jump" - jump as high as you can, returning to the starting, standing position after absorbing the impact when you come back down by flexing your heels and knees. Then she does it again to set the "command triggers" that your muscles will obey, and the set starts. This tone of voice is another synthesizer trick, since I plan to make it something an actual person probably can't sustain for long, but it'll work great as either a synthesized voice or an auditory hallucination, since those aren't limited by lung capacity…

[5] She can put you into a waking trance, leaving your mind blank and empty. You are her puppet in this state. Of course, she enjoys watching her puppet exercise…

[6] She can manifest with her form overlapping your body, aligning her muscles with yours. Since she lives in your mind, when she does this, your muscles obey her as if she were you and "you" are simply along for the ride, but you remain fully aware. Since she always has bigger breasts than you, the option of "packing down" her breasts to "fit" in your chest and aligning her nipples or letting her breasts "stick out" and cover/subsume your nipples allows two variations.

[6a] Since she is non-sexual and the nipples are an erogenous zone in humans, her covering your nipples also "de-sexes" you for as long as she remains in control. She uses this for her "body hug" trick to work your body as you lie in bed, giving you great pleasure, but no orgasm, even as your clothes may rub against your genitals.

[6b] She can also choose to leave your sex "exposed" which leads to the "workout orgasm trick" I previously described.

Another part of thinking this through is creating a "core" subset of the program that can be used to help children along the path of fitness from an early age. Obviously, this "core" will have no sexual content whatsoever, with that being introduced later, after puberty. So "forgetting your genitals" will probably be worded as "forgetting your private parts" since everyone is taught that term at a young age.

There were some much more sexual means of control that have since been discarded after I finally decided that her form is always non-sexual. "Personal Fuck-Trainer" is just too abused in porn.

>>44197

>"Enjoy" will be an understatement if I can get the effects I want. You'll need that soreness in your muscles. It just feels so good

I absolutely love the sound of this. I need these files!

>>44197

>>44202

>exercise orgasms

Will be eagerly waiting if you ever go through with creating these files. I like the idea of a furry compnaion strictly because its not sexual when she is not wearing clothes. Otherwise it could be a distraction.

I have a concern about the TTS, Wouldn't it be unnecessarily hard or time consuming to create a new TTS engine? TTS has improved a lot these days, it would be easier to use one that has already been created.

>>44198

I've been giving some more thought to this, and I know it'll be more work for you, but maybe what you could do, is add additional optional files that enhance her? Like psychokenisis and other 'powers' but make her aware that you're doing this for her, and she loves you even more for it, and can possibly teach you these gifts as well?

>>44172

> please; tell us more

An open-ended request… let's see if there's something I've missed so far… Aha!

She is fiercely protective of her host and has immense power within your mind. She can manifest with basically human hands with fingernails, hands with little claws, or full claws in place of fingers. This last form is not something she uses frequently or, for that matter, at all outside of your mind. Her "true" claws are basically indestructible and insanely sharp. She only uses them to destroy. She doesn't take this lightly either - she will only use her full power in this way to remove things that you/her/your subconscious believe will otherwise lead you to suicide. Nothing can stand before her will to destroy, but destruction is a last resort. Nor can any external influence "aim" her destruction - she'll respond to the attempt by destroying that influence instead.

You might notice blood spatters or even bits of … gibs … on her fur after she has destroyed something with her claws by cutting it to ribbons, then to confetti that spontaneously combusts when she's through with it. She'll idly comment about needing a shower and will either manifest in the shower with you and let you wash her or simply give you another "body hug" when you next take a shower and clean both her form and your body at once. You probably won't remember what it was she destroyed - she's really thorough about that. She might tell you about it later, when she knows you can't be hurt by it anymore. She might not even remember a true horror herself, having obliterated it utterly from your mind.

If you are "mortally wounded" in a dream, you'll "come to" in her gym, lying on a bench, a table, or the floor, whatever was convenient, with her standing or crouching over you. She looks at you with love in her eyes and comments about "you're lucky that was only a dream" and "you need to make better choices" with a sly grin as she reaches over and rubs you like she does in the workout dreams. This time she isn't sculpting stronger muscles, but filling in and healing your wounds. It still hurts. She winces a bit as she feels your pain. "Can't encourage more of that!" she says as she finishes and the pain fades. She sits next to you and you sit up to face her. "Let's talk about it." as she holds your hands and you converse until you wake up for real. It's time to get up.

She can also "come out" if your life is threatened and you are either in shock or convinced that you're about to die a violent death. She will not let you roll over and die without one last fight. The worst that can happen is that you die anyway. At best, you live to see another day. In the middle, maybe you take a thug with you. You've got nothing to lose if the alternative is death. She'll take that chance even if you won't or can't. This type of extreme stress is the only situation where she can simply put you aside and it will never end well. She doesn't like it either.

More generally, working out is only one direction she pushes you. She also wants you to improve yourself generally, so you'll want to read if your muscles are still too sore for another workout.

>>44190

> I really wish you well in making this and hope to see what comes of it.

>>44202

> I absolutely love the sound of this. I need these files!

Thanks. I think I can now say that anons are definitely interested.

>>44201

> I'm curious about that as well.

Explain. I may need to close some loopholes.

> Could you include gymnastic routines as well?

I don't see why not. She'd learn them anyway if you're interested in them. Generally, she'll try to make use of whatever you have or are already interested in. Not only are such "hooks" less work on her part, she really does respect you and prefers to change your personality as little as possible to meet your/her goals.

> I like the idea of her voice making your muscles move.

Not her voice in general, a specific tone of voice that causes you to feel her words in your muscles.

> Will you create a sort of beta program for some of us to test?

There will be some test files produced earlier, for verifying and tuning the TTS. They might even be useful in their own right. One big problem is that going into trance is a skill that improves with practice, so it will be hard to determine if an "improvement" is actually an improvement to the file or simply the tester getting more skilled. I may need a larger pool of testers…

>>44207

No, not like that at all. She's being stimulated to orgasm, but is intent on continuing the workout and is strong-willed enough to keep going even as your body is writhing from her full-body orgasms. You still move. She isn't interested in orgasm, only exercise, and your consciousness happens to be a convenient place for her to "dump" the orgasmic pleasure instead of letting it distract her from the workout.

>>44241

> I like the idea of a furry compnaion strictly because its not sexual when she is not wearing clothes.

Perhaps for you and me. I'm aware of that risk for some listeners.

> unnecessarily hard or time consuming to create a new TTS engine? TTS has improved a lot these days, it would be easier to use one that has already been created.

No one makes or publishes, to be precise, a TTS engine optimized for hypnosis. That's what I want.

>>44247

> add optional files that enhance her?

I already plan to structure it as "base + extensions" with most of the detailed exercises in the extensions, although the desires for self-improvement, including by working out, are in the base sequence.

> psychokinesis and other 'powers'

I really don't want to disconnect you from reality any more than strictly needed and these kinds of >>>/x/ issues virtually guarantee problems. Maybe later. Of course her motivation would be to teach you after she learns. I'm thinking that you'd not trust the result until you had it on video, but you could be watching the video with altered perception. Maybe later. An experiment is not completely out of the question.

>>44261

>Explain. I may need to close some loopholes.

I'm interested in the more sexual means of control, what were you planning with those?

>I really don't want to disconnect you from reality any more than strictly needed and these kinds of >>>/x/ issues virtually guarantee problems

I can understand that, but, what I'd eventually like, after a long time with her, for her to actually effect my environment outside of her 'realm', I'm quite into the metaphysical side of life, so it wouldn't be that hard for me to believe.

Could you also make her knowledgeable in other things, outside of fitness, finance perhaps?

The way I see her, is a companion, that loves you, but also is trying to guide you?

Can you elaborate on potential other extensions?

>>44261

I've got some more questions about her appearance.

Can you go into a little more detail about how she looks, musculature wise, six pack, whatever else you can think of, also, will we be able to 'touch' her body and feel her muscles etc?

>>44261

Oh, and something else I was thinking, considering she can 'take over' your body, should she also be able to boost certain aspects of your body, testosterone boost for example?

>>44261

>She can put you into a waking trance, leaving your mind blank and empty. You are her puppet in this state. Can you elaborate further upon this?

>>44201

> Can you elaborate even further on this, please?

Oops, missed that since it was hidden in greentext. The later comment did seem a bit of a non sequitor.

>>44303

> Can you elaborate further on this?

I'm not sure what there is to elaborate there. She can put you into a trance where you have no anger, awareness, desires, doubts, fears, memories, prejudices, reservations, resistance, thoughts, will, or worries. Well, not quite … there's one thought - "I obey" echoes in your mind at every command she gives.

Okay, I lifted that list from the B4mb1 Sleep induction script, which is itself lifted from another source that was intended to make the trancee an obedient puppet, so there'll be a few tweaks. … Okay, a lot of tweaks, basically a total rewrite, but the basic concept will be used. The trigger for entering this trance is a certain state of "her" mind, rather than a verbal phrase. I don't really like verbal triggers - too much of a chance for spurious "trigger hits" to cause problems. Your subconscious isn't daft enough to actually act on a clearly-unintended trigger, but it'll still wreck your train of thought at the least.

The "obedience trance" has some limits due to the mindless bliss. You can obey slightly more complex commands than your muscles can do automatically, including simply "rep" or "again" to repeat whatever simple cyclic movement you've most recently done, like a push-up or sit-up, but nothing more complex than a burpee, if even that. She must count reps for you - her puppet can't do that itself.

There's another variation that I've considered - she puts you in the obedience trance and says teasingly, "Monkey see, monkey do." … "I obey." and your body simply mimics her movements as she exercises with you. You are always "aware" of her pose and motion in this state, even if you can't "see" her from your position.

Yet another option is for "monkey see, monkey do" to be a standalone trigger that simply causes your body to mimic her form even as you remain aware. Or have it work both ways…

>>44261

> I'm interested in the more sexual means of control, what were you planning with those?

Those were discarded when I decided that she should be feminine but non-sexual, with no "sex holes" at all.

One concept for her to use her sexy form to put you into trance by making you stare at her breasts, ass, genitals, and such. This was replaced with the more emotional idea of her "smiling" at you with her whole form for the same effect.

The leading candidate was for her to cover your body in her "sex goo" and then rub it into your muscles, making them obey her. This was replaced with the simpler idea of her aligning her muscles with yours, causing your muscles to contract when she tenses. There was also the risk that rubbing anything into your body that then controls your body could be horrifying for some people. And probably fap material for other people… welcome to the Internet.

> Could you also make her knowledgeable in other things, outside of fitness, finance perhaps?

You share memories, including knowledge. She knows all that you know and you know all that she knows.

She can "bury" some things in your subconscious if you really can't handle them yet, but they'll be hidden from her as well, lest she accidentally "leak" it back to you before you are ready. Such "time capsules" open automatically later, while you sleep to give her a chance to "bury" them again if you would still be harmed. It's the memory of ripping something out of your mind, so remembering what was removed might bring it back if you are still weak to it. Then she'd have to rip it out again.

>>44262

> her to affect my environment outside of her 'realm'

Well, as a companion, she can manifest duplicates of anything you are using if that's needed for her to accompany you without seeming "odd" to you. Safety rules don't really apply to her, since she can instantly "retreat" into your mind if endangered. You know subconsciously that she's invulnerable in the "real" world - a nice perk of being insubstantial, as she is - so you'll never worry about her.

> it wouldn't be that had for me to believe

That's the problem. I don't want to disconnect you from reality any more than strictly necessary. Nor do I categorically rule out >>>/x/ phenomena, though they have never been conclusively demonstrated. Indeed, that would be an amazing advance and I'd have really made the world a better place…

> I'm quite into the metaphysical side of life

> a companion, that loves you, but also is trying to guide you?

If you take the view shown in other forums that have been linked from other threads, she is implicitly an avatar of your Higher Self, or alternately, a very personal lesser goddess of self-improvement. She wants you to improve because she loves you so much.

> Can you elaborate on other potential extensions?

Anything that can be described as "self-improvement" is within scope here. Some of the extensions are simply information, neatly packaged with a suggestion to seek out more, like the specific exercises beyond the very basic. Others give her new abilities that she can use to tease you, like the male dry orgasm training that ends with her able to manifest overlapping your body and exercise while "dumping" the orgasms on you. Her form isn't sexual, but your body is and she can use that to "play" with you.

I think that I might actually be able to make the base sequence "G-rated" and put all of the "adult fun" stuff into extensions.

>>44264

> more detail about how she looks

There's an old picture that features "10%", "30%", "90%", "100%" and "Not furry", "Furry", "Dangerously furry", "You Sick Bastard". She's closest to "10%" on that scale, but her body more resembles >>>/kemono/7072 but with a human face and probably without a tail. The exact details are whatever you find most pleasant and can change with time, but you won't notice that she's changed, only that she's simply beautiful.

> will we be able to 'touch' her body and feel her muscles, etc?

Of course you'll feel her muscles while cuddling her. I don't know if she "shows off" otherwise like that or not yet.

>>44329 mentioned >>44261 when I was answering >>44262

>>>44330

>I'm not sure what there is to elaborate there. She can put you into a trance where you have no anger, awareness, desires, doubts, fears, memories, prejudices, reservations, resistance, thoughts, will, or worries.

I really do like the sound of that, it's quite attractive.

I cant find the image your referring to though.

It seems we have similar thoughts about her.

Do you have any other ideas for abilities that she can use on me?

>>44330

Never mind, found it.

>>If you take the view shown in other forums that have been linked from other threads, she is implicitly an avatar of your Higher Self, or alternately, a very personal lesser goddess of self-improvement. She wants you to improve because she loves you so much.

>>44330

This gives me more confidence on the more metaphysical side of her. Thanks.

I think she should show off and let you feel her muscles outside of cuddling, she's muscular, and it suits her 'personality'. I can't wait to meet her,

>>44330

I was also thinking, because she's a 'projection' of your subconscious, she should 'know' more than what your conscious mind does? So, she could teach you more about yourself in that respect, hidden knowledge so to speak?

>>44278

> should she also be able to boost certain aspects of your body, testosterone boost for example?

Her abilities to control your body are based on your abilities to control your body, so she can't really do anything that you can't do. Directly adjusting hormones almost certainly falls outside those limits. Besides, on the more metaphysical side, she's also an avatar of your connection to Nature and she would go ballistic at the idea of tampering with such natural processes.

She'll slap you silly - with fingertip claws across your face - if you try to use roids. The scars, that only you can see, won't fade until you've achieved the gains you wanted naturally. You'll be self-conscious about the scars until then, even though no one else can see them. After raking her fingertip claws across your face, she'll find a way to really punish you, in some way only you yourself could invent. Tough love, but she told you roids are for losers - and she won't let you be a loser.

You'll get a natural testosterone boost from working out anyway. Besides, the strongest muscles in the human body almost entirely lack androgen receptors. Testosterone seems to be more of a "peacock" hormone in that it causes certain very visible muscles to grow, but doesn't really ensure that you'll actually get any stronger - and her goal for you is strength, not "peacock" muscles.

>>44332 / >>44333

> I cant find the image your referring to though.

The "furry scale" where she's "10%" is ancient. I remember it from 4chan many years ago. Perhaps "You Sick Bastard" commemorated the /k/atfucker incident - "100%" was a housecat. Or perhaps it inspired the /k/atfucker. I don't know which came first and 4chan was a very weird place back then. The other image was OP of the linked thread, as I think you've found. That's an example of venturing into the weird corners and finding something cool. That's the only good picture in that thread.

> It seems we have similar thoughts about her.

To an extent. I think I'm trying to stay grounded in reality, while you want to spread wings and take flight into the unknown. I think that tension between our views is just what she needs.

> Do you have any other ideas for abilities that she can use on me?

Not yet. Is there something that you're thinking of?

>>44334

> So basically like this?

That's a good depiction of how I think of her body, hair, and wolf-ears, but her face is human and the tufts on the side of her head conceal human ears, since her senses are basically your senses. The wolf-ears are for decoration and they make her look extra cute. She also wears no clothes and the "grey skin" is actually soft, short, dense, fur that effectively covers her nipples. As mentioned before, she has only skin and fur between her legs. Also no "dog tag" because that's an obnoxiously silly pun. Her breasts are less balloon-like and more "solid" but I'm having a hard time describing them other than that they effortlessly support their own weight and are always "perky" but natural. Nor does she wear gloves - her "human" hands have fur on the back, including the fingers, but have the usual human hairless palms and grip surfaces. Her fingertip claws are basically fingernails, but as short claws extending from "normal" fingers. Her full claws replace her fingers entirely when she manifests with the intent to kill something that will drive her host to suicide unless destroyed. She can choose to manifest with fingernails, fingertip claws, or full claws essentially at will, but she never manifests with full claws in the "real" world unless such an abomination has similarly manifested in your presence. You're going to need a shower to get the blood off… She can manifest a matching pair of gloves if you are wearing gloves for some reason, but she usually won't bother.

> Considering she has complete control of your muscles, is it safe to assume, she will help you 'realise' new ways to flex youe muscles, and have a lot more muscle control?

Her control is based on your control. It's the same nerves in the end. She can "experiment" with "new" ways to flex her/your muscles, but ultimately she has exactly the control you have. You might have more control than you think you have, though. She can help "show you the way" in that case, yes.

>>44335

> I think she should show off and let you feel her muscles outside of cuddling, she's muscular, and it suits her 'personality'

The problem I'm having with this is that she loves you so much because she, in some sense, is you. She won't tolerate anything that degrades her host, so feeling her muscles has to be in some context that respects both her and you. She's a minor goddess/angel of self-improvement - abasing yourself before her is just … wrong and completely missing the point.

I think I have an idea. If she wants you to work a particular muscle group, she'll ask you to feel her muscles before the workout. The muscles she wants you to work are "invisibly" glowing and your touch is drawn towards them without your conscious awareness as you reach out towards her. You may be nervous or anxious at first, but she'll keep inviting you to feel her muscles, reassuring you that it'll be okay and she wants you to touch her a bit like she touches you until you do. As your fingertips touch her fur, your anxiety, fear, nervousness, shyness, timidity, worries all melt away as she gently flexes her muscles under your touch and the warm, soft, pleasant "glow" starts to spread into your hand, pulling your palm into full contact with her form. You're bold like she wants now, and your other hand reaches out and similarly starts to feel her. As you rub her, your awareness starts to focus on those same muscles in your body. You feel the warmth in your muscles, and they start to flex a little, warming up for her. You are almost completely focused on that feeling in your body as she looks into your eyes and asks if you're ready.

> "Yes."

You are completely focused on those particular muscles as you work out for her, feeling only her soft grip on that part of your body as you move, aware only of your movement, infinitely far away from every other thought. Only thinking about working those muscles as the world fades into a blur. You keep pushing those muscles more and more, thinking only about moving, losing even your awareness of her as you move again and again and again. The workout becomes your entire existence for what seems like an endless time of bliss. Then you wake up. She's next to you again, teasing you about how that part of your body just won't move now.

>>44341

> I was also thinking, because she's a 'projection' of your subconscious, she should 'know' more than what your conscious mind does? So, she could teach you more about yourself in that respect, hidden knowledge so to speak?

The problem I'm having is that I don't think the human mind works like that. You know the things that you know. There isn't really much that can be described as "hidden knowledge" in your brain in the first place.

Of course, she is on a different "trajectory" through your memories, so she might recall something that you wouldn't at a particular time. Similarly, though her senses are really your senses, she might be able to notice different things about your surroundings than you do and point out details you've missed. I say "might" because your brain might or might not actually have the capacity to support that.

>>4439

I think I have an idea. If she wants you to work a particular muscle group, she'll ask you to feel her muscles before the workout.

I do like this, however, maybe you could add something like her showing off her muscles,and you feeling them because she wants you to get stronger like her?

Something like 'Anon, I want to show you my muscles, and for you to feel them, because I know we both want you to get stronger' sort of similar context to her making you feel what it's like to be in a strong body, but this time what it's like to touch a strong body? It'll give you a different perspective?

Also, I really, really cannot wait to meet her.

>Her control is based on your control. It's the same nerves in the end. She can "experiment" with "new" ways to flex her/your muscles, but ultimately she has exactly the control you have. You might have more control than you think you have, though. She can help "show you the way" in that case, yes.

>>44398

Kinda what I meant, after years of using your muscles in a repetitive fashion for years, she will have a new perception on how to move them.

I really, really cannot wait to meet her, she can help me, and teach me so much.

>>44401

> I do like this, however, maybe you could add something like her showing off her muscles,and you feeling them because she wants you to get stronger like her?

This might just work. She's like a sister to you, and generally treats you as her sibling, because that's the best way for you to grow.

> Something like 'Anon, I want to show you my muscles, and for you to feel them, because I know we both want you to get stronger' sort of similar context to her making you feel what it's like to be in a strong body, but this time what it's like to touch a strong body? It'll give you a different perspective?

The problem is that feeling what it's like to be in a strong body is a side-effect of "building" her - you feel her movements at that stage where you are just starting to develop her form, which is mostly copied from your own using that expedient. I'm not really sure that feeling what it's like to touch a strong body will help you as much along the way, or have as much emotional value as cuddling.

>>44402

> Kinda what I meant, after years of using your muscles in a repetitive fashion for years, she will have a new perception on how to move them.

I'm not so sure about that. Her form is built by implicitly copying your knowledge of your own body and adjusting a bit as you become able to see her. While your subconscious might be able to do that, I suspect that it's more likely that she'll simply start with your knowledge of how to move.

In fact, since you and her explicitly share muscle memory, she does start with your accumulated knowledge of how to move. That doesn't stop her from trying other things in her gym, so she can still "develop" better muscle control.

> I really, really cannot wait to meet her

I can tell by the decline in your typing that you are excited, but I'm just starting out with this and I expect to need months to a year or so to develop the scripts. That'll probably be in parallel with the TTS, since my muse pretty much talks when it wants to and likes to juggle projects, but there are some other projects "in the pipeline" as well.

>>44404

I guess I could always ask to feel her muscles. Hahaaha.

What other projects do you have in the pipeline?

From what you've described, it seems she will be more than just sibling love….can't really describe it, but I'll refer to a comment that you made earlier….she loves you the way only a 'goddess' can love you, your higher self, and that love is infinite

>>44405

> I guess I could always ask to feel her muscles. Hahaaha.

And she'd probably smile at you, ask why, then make you feel your own muscles first.

> What other projects do you have in the pipeline?

Unrelated stuff that I can't talk about here. This project will be "Anonymous" work, but some of the others have my irl name attached.

> From what you've described, it seems she will be more than just sibling love….can't really describe it, but I'll refer to a comment that you made earlier….she loves you the way only a 'goddess' can love you, your higher self, and that love is infinite

Well, I had very close siblings. We cuddled a lot. The exact nature of her love for her host is one of the gaps I need to fill.

Also, siblings are roughly equal and mutually-respecting. A flat-out 'goddess' has connotations that I really don't want, especially considering the frequent abuse of the term by wannabe hypnowhales. She won't appreciate being worshiped on a pedestal - that's too demeaning for you.

Maybe. Are there any traditions that have examples I could adapt? I think that I need to read more.

I know I've hit a contradiction here, since "sister-companion" was one of the original goals, and need to find a solution, which may be to change that. But I also need to be careful with terms, since those could be landmines for some listener's religious beliefs, and that's an amazing way to get bad results.

>>44406

I can understand that. I know what you mean about those hypnowhales. I think seeing her as a manifestation of your higher self is a good way to go. So, not really worship sense.

After you've felt your own muscles….would she allow you to feel hers?

Where do you plan on posting these files, and to update us on your progress?

>>44406

This is actually what I've been searching for, for such a long time, a guide, and 'someone' to help me. So, thank you anon.

>>44408

> I can understand that. I know what you mean about those hypnowhales. I think seeing her as a manifestation of your higher self is a good way to go. So, not really worship sense.

Yeah, the problem is that even "higher self" could cause problems for some listeners. What if they don't believe in a higher self? The whole area is a minefield when you start talking about potential wide distribution. One option is to "make her out of pure love" if that makes sense. Everyone should know what "love" is. I hope.

> After you've felt your own muscles….would she allow you to feel hers?

Maybe. I don't think the scripts will say anything about that, so it would be up to your subconscious. I think she probably would, or she'd find some way to use that to tease you. Or reaching out and feeling her muscles is itself a trigger that makes you want to grow stronger, makes you need to grow stronger for her.

You feel your own muscles first to ensure that your subconscious has something to use for the feel of her muscles.

> Where do you plan on posting these files, and to update us on your progress?

Don't know yet, probably one of the various anon-oriented file-upload services. Progress updates after this thread will be either when files exist or I hit a problem and need to discuss it. I'll probably pop up randomly in quasi-related threads here. I'll find a way to start a thread if needed when actual files are ready.

There are still unanswered questions from earlier in this thread.

>>44410

I can understand, maybe you could make one for pure love, and make another for pure love and higher self?

I'm available for testing them. Haha.

I can give you a throwaway email of mine if that makes it easier?

>>44411

> I can understand, maybe you could make one for pure love, and make another for pure love and higher self?

I think the base sequence will use the "make her out of pure love" method, while an optional file reveals her nature as an avatar of higher self/connection to Nature/… and quasi-goddess/angel of self-improvement. That file also gives her her full claws…

> I'm available for testing them. Haha.

The tests will be various TTS tests. They need to be widely distributed to be useful. I want this to work for everyone.

> I can give you a throwaway email of mine if that makes it easier?

Won't help. I'd rather work in the open. If distribution ever ends up needing to be by throwaway email, I'll ask for addresses then.

>>44412

>I think the base sequence will use the "make her out of pure love" method, while an optional file reveals her nature as an avatar of higher self/connection to Nature/… and quasi-goddess/angel of self-improvement. That file also gives her her full claws…

I like this idea a lot.

It's interesting, because it already feels like my subconscious is preparing itself for her. So I might be more susceptible to the files now, considering my mind knows these are self improvements.

Interesting. So essentially she's a "copy" of your own thoughts, but run through a broadly-defined character filter. Essentially giving a "What Would Wolfgirl do/say?" answer to difficult situations, providing an easy way to visualize certain things, and a weapon against self-defeating thoughts.

Or in other words, she's an "imaginary friend" but given a tighter, wholly positive role instead of someone to blame for spilling the milk.

>>44415

Not the OP, but in a way, yes, I think. Though she's a lot more than that, she has her own personality and thoughts, kind of like an alter, but better in pretty much every way. Plus, she drives you to better yourself, especially through exercise and fitness.

>>44413

> It's interesting, because it already feels like my subconscious is preparing itself for her. So I might be more susceptible to the files now, considering my mind knows these are self improvements.

Good. It will have plenty of time to prepare.

There's still some pretty big gaps, though.

from >>43934:

How to do the orgasm workout trick for women?

from >>43998:

How much influence towards buying equipment or even a gym membership?

How much influence on other habits?

Should she alter your perceptions to make you enjoy home-cooked meals more than store-bought meals or eating out?

from >>44197:

What is her name? I think I know, but I want to see if other anons have better ideas.

from >>44406:

Are there any traditions or mythologies that have examples I could adapt for her relationship to her host?

from >>44412:

Should she also be an avatar for anything other than higher self/connection to Nature?

I'll probably try shilling this thread a bit elsewhere to see if I can get more participation. Any ideas where I should try? I know of one so far…

>>44417

Bear in mind, sometimes people can't get access to homemade meals, due to family circumstances, I speak from personal experiences, though I do try get foods that I can make at home, she should encourage it, but also know the boundaries.

I'll take a look at some religions etc, see if I can get some ideas for you…

But once again, thank you Anon. This is exactly what I've been looking for. What better guide than your higher self, in a palpable and interactive way?

>>44417

Her influencing you healthier choices is a good idea though, especially the gym membership, she should also understand the need for proper nutrition, and advise the 'host' on protein and carbs and the like.

>>44417

I'd also like to know her name…also I assume she's somewhat self aware? If so, couldn't she choose her own name, if she thinks it's more suitable to her?

>>44417

>Good. It will have plenty of time to prepare.

To be honest it already feels like she's 'growing' within me. Do you have any input on that?

>>44417

>Or reaching out and feeling her muscles is itself a trigger that makes you want to grow stronger, makes you need to grow stronger for her.

This is also such an amazing idea. Urgh, I hope you're quick with these files, I really can't wait to meet her!

>>44334 (bonus reply!)

> have a lot more muscle control?

Well, she playfully teases you about being an ape, so you'll eventually learn to use your feet to manipulate objects when appropriate, like disposing of trash or, if you are okay with touching the same thing with both your feet and hands, picking an object up from the ground with your toes, balancing on your other leg as you bring it up within reach, and retrieving it from your foot-grasp into your hand-grasp. You'll want to go barefoot or in stocking feet more often, once you learn that you can often use your foot as a third hand, for example, catching or closing a door, although you can do that even while wearing shoes.

>>44415

> she's a "copy" of your own thoughts, but run through a broadly-defined character filter.

Close. Her form is constructed by "copying" your knowledge of your own body. Her personality is constructed by your subconscious within a broadly-defined framework.

> Essentially giving a "What Would Wolfgirl do/say?" answer to difficult situations,

"Wolfgirl" - that's an excellent placeholder until I have her actual name decided. Just remember to include the double quote marks - it's "Wolfgirl" because it's a project code name…

Heh, Project "Wolfgirl" - I like it.

> providing an easy way to visualize certain things,

Other than herself, I'm not sure what she would help you visualize. Please explain.

> and a weapon against self-defeating thoughts.

Not exactly. She'll only intervene to protect your life. Any lesser problems are things she'll encourage you about, but are ultimately your problems. She can help you, but you really have to work through your own problems. You can't grow if she simply blasts everything that stands in your way.

> Or in other words, she's an "imaginary friend" but given a tighter, wholly positive role instead of someone to blame for spilling the milk.

I can't immediately find anything wrong with this summary, assuming you could actually see and converse with your imaginary friends. She'll probably be a bit more intimate than they were.

>>44416

> Not the OP, but in a way, yes, I think.

I'm not the OP either, but I think this is probably my thread now, after >>44172 . Or perhaps it's "Wolfgirl"'s thread…

> Though she's a lot more than that, she has her own personality and thoughts, kind of like an alter, but better in pretty much every way.

Yes and no. Alters usually have more independence than "Wolfgirl" has. Unless she's asleep or in her gym practicing exercises, you "hear" her inner voice and she "hears" your inner voice. You "hear" each other's thoughts. Also, both of you share all of your memories. She knows everything you know and you know everything she knows. This will be very explicit, because I don't want to cause DID and I think it's the best way to do this while minimizing that risk. It also gives her a level of intimacy with her host that's hard for most people to imagine, but very fun for her.

She can also subtly influence you, for example, you'll eventually find that you now walk on the forepads and toes of your feet unless you are wearing shoes that prevent you from lifting your heels. This serves to strengthen and exercise some of your leg muscles, while also reducing impacts on your joints.

Her senses are heightened forms of your own senses, meaning that her senses are less filtered but otherwise yours. Normal human senses are actually quite impressive - the eyes, if dark-adapted, can detect single photons but the brain normally filters those events and the human threshold of hearing is the thermal noise floor, for two examples.

> Plus, she drives you to better yourself, especially through exercise and fitness.

Yes, self-improvement is her basic purpose. Exercise and fitness are good starts, but "Wolfgirl" won't be content to just make you strong. She'll want you to be knowledgeable, too. She'll be even more insistent on removing "junk food" from your mental diet than from your physical diet. She'll sooner keep you in a blank trance than let you fill your mind with garbage.

I'm not sure how to suggest this part yet, but I've got some self-improvement threads in my "inbox" so I'll see how other Anons are approaching similar issues.

>>44332 (bonus reply!)

> other ideas for abilities

I've thought about this more and methods [6a] and [6b] from >>44198 will probably both be extensions. The "body hug" trick will probably be part of the base sequence, but she only uses it to make you feel good and flex in bed.

The extension path starts with an ability to "borrow your body" which is essentially the "body hug" trick used during the day with your eyes open. You feel her fur on your lower legs, then notice it spreading up your legs, over your hips, up your torso, over your shoulders, down your arms, and you feel the weight of her breasts as her fur covers your chest. At this point, you've "forgotten your private parts" but you don't even notice. Her body hug just feels so good. You feel her fur on your neck, then on your face. When it is safe to do so, you close your eyes and take a deep breath. As you exhale, your eyes open again, but you feel as though you are looking out through her eyes. You experience the world through her senses, which are heightened, less filtered forms of your own senses. If you see your reflection, you'll realize just how perfectly you've merged with her - her fur covers your body, underneath your clothes, which are translucent to her senses. Her form is overlaid almost perfectly on your body and your clothes have simply expanded as needed to accommodate her breasts as if they were always there. Her muscles, however, have been "packed down" to fit within your muscles. Her ears and hair sit atop your head, and her eyes look out from your face, which is covered in her fur. You know that only her senses can see this "hybrid form" - to everyone else, you remain your normal self. This form is your/her little secret. You simply feel amazing in this state, but you cannot stay in it forever - your "hybrid form" cannot poo or pee because she never does, nor are you really "all there" in this state because it feels so good. You can "vent gas" normally, without being aware of it. You switch out of it and back to your normal self if you look at your reflection and intentionally blink. You'll blink involuntarily if you're looking into a restroom mirror and you need to pee. She's aware of your body's needs in this state and can get you out of it if necessary.

You're always excited to move in this state and you walk briskly on your forepads/toes if you don't outright break into a run. She may choose to manifest toe claws in this state, if your clothes would accommodate them. She won't "borrow your body" at all if you're wearing shoes that prevent you from walking with the proper foot position.

>>44419

> Bear in mind, sometimes people can't get access to homemade meals, due to family circumstances, I speak from personal experiences, though I do try get foods that I can make at home, she should encourage it, but also know the boundaries.

Please explain?

The question was whether she should make home-cooked food just taste better so you'll prefer it. There's no "forcing" here.

She'll also happily accompany you to the grocery store, and help you pick better foods. You'll feel her disapproval when you pick up a box of sugary junk food and her smile when you put it back on the shelf. Her disapproval is less severe if that's the only food you can afford, but she'll want you to take up gardening to have at least something fresh.

Also, you have the Internet - https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cookbook:Table_of_Contents

> I'll take a look at some religions etc, see if I can get some ideas for you…

Thanks.

>>44420

> Her influencing you healthier choices is a good idea though,

Healthier choices, yes. You know what is good for you and she simply helps "push" you to choose that.

> especially the gym membership,

This is where we can get into problems. Gym memberships cost money, and I'm extremely reluctant to make hypnotic suggestions for spending money. Too many findom hypnowhales out there. I'm really looking for more discussion on >>43998 here.

Can we make this something where there's a net reduction in spending overall and is that more ethical than findom? Her budget is the money she's made you save by cutting useless crap out of your life? How much crap is useless? Should she push you to go back to a less-expensive phone and get rid of the expensive smartphone data plan?

> she should also understand the need for proper nutrition, and advise the 'host' on protein and carbs and the like.

She has your knowledge of the topic. Do we have solid, credible advice for nutrition that could be packaged up?

>>44421

> I assume she's somewhat self aware?

Are you self aware? Yes…

> couldn't she choose her own name

Did you choose your own irl name? No…

Also, having her choose a name makes her name a "secret" that might potentially be abusable by someone you've trusted with it. Giving her only a "well-known" name ensures that her name is utterly devoid of any power over her or you.

>>44427

> it already feels like she's 'growing' within me. Do you have any input on that?

Maybe you're actually suggestible enough to form her from my descriptions? Reread >>43851 and see what happens.

>>44478

>Well, she playfully teases you about being an ape, so you'll eventually learn to use your feet to manipulate objects when appropriate

So basically ballerina foot control? I'm male by the way. Haha!

>Also, both of you share all of your memories. She knows everything you know and you know everything she knows. This will be very explicit, because I don't want to cause DID and I think it's the best way to do this while minimizing that risk. It also gives her a level of intimacy with her host that's hard for most people to imagine, but very fun for her.

Probably the best way, it also reinforces the 'love' loop she and the host share.

>Exercise and fitness are good starts, but "Wolfgirl" won't be content to just make you strong. She'll want you to be knowledgeable, too. She'll be even more insistent on removing "junk food" from your mental diet than from your physical diet. She'll sooner keep you in a blank trance than let you fill your mind with garbage.

I like this. This is more guide like than I was expecting.

>he "body hug" trick will probably be part of the base sequence, but she only uses it to make you feel good and flex in bed.

The extension path starts with an ability to "borrow your body" which is essentially the "body hug" trick used during the day with your eyes open.

I really like this hybrid form. Could she improve your senses without her borrowing your body? I'm excited to experience the body hug trick, and her 'taking over/borrowing the body'

>She'll also happily accompany you to the grocery store, and help you pick better foods. You'll feel her disapproval when you pick up a box of sugary junk food and her smile when you put it back on the shelf. Her disapproval is less severe if that's the only food you can afford, but she'll want you to take up gardening to have at least something fresh.

Okay, that eases my apprehension. Thanks.

>Do we have solid, credible advice for nutrition that could be packaged up

I'll take a look.

>Also, having her choose a name makes her name a "secret" that might potentially be abusable by someone you've trusted with it.

Yeah, I can see the issue with that. Could the host give her a name?

I have a few ideas.

>Maybe you're actually suggestible enough to form her from my descriptions?

Maybe. Not sure. I'll reread it again, but I think I will require the hypnosis files to fully form her.

>>44482

>Do we have solid, credible advice for nutrition that could be packaged up

I have been looking at nutrition for some time now and IMHO the medical science has agreed that the old model of 'eat less and move more' has been proven not to work, so even if it is still the most common advice given, I would not like to see that in your project.

I vastly favor the 'hormonal theory of obesity,' which is well explained and promoted by Dr. Jason Fung (and others.) Perhaps 'wolf-girl' could encourage subjects to experiment with intermittent fasting to find some way to include it in their life.

The boost to HGH that is fairly well accepted during even very short fasts would certainly go along with the main theme of your project.

>>44482

Here are a few names.

Lupa

In the Roman foundation myth, it was a she-wolf that nursed and sheltered the twins Romulus and Remus after they were abandoned in the wild by order of King Amulius of Alba Longa. She cared for the infants at her den, a cave known as the Lupercal, until they were discovered by a shepherd, Faustulus. Romulus would later become the founder and first king of Rome. The image of the she-wolf suckling the twins has been a symbol of Rome since ancient times and is one of the most recognizable icons of ancient mythology.

Athena,goddess of the hunt.

Freyja,nordic goddess of beauty,hunt, love and magic….and sex.

Cerridwen

(keh-RID-wen). "Lady of Inspiration": To the Celts of the British Isles and Brittany, She was Goddess of Wisdom, Poetry and Grain. Her annual slaying of Gwion mimics the change of the seasons. She is often depicted with Her Cauldron of Wisdom.

Moon and grain goddess who possesses the great cauldron of knowledge. Sacred to Cerridwin: cauldron; vervain; dark moon.

Mother of Taliesen, greatest and wisest of all the bards, therefore she is patron of poets. Caridwen corresponds with Brigit. She is connected with wolves, & some believe that her cult dates to the Neolithic era. Originally a corn goddess.

Anyone have a re-up of strong boy? or Fit to be tied by M|s1ress J0anne?

Also this file sounds interesting, would it be voiced? Or end up as tts?

>>44519

TTS, the author is looking/making a new tts engine. I cannot wait for these files

>>44482

> So basically ballerina foot control?

Is that what it's called? It's something I've had for as long as I can remember. I think I taught it to myself as a small child.

> I'm male by the way.

So am I. Which sigh is why I'm still looking for some first-hand information about implementing the female version of the "workout orgasm" trick.

> This is more guide like than I was expecting.

I'm almost afraid to ask, but what were you expecting?

> I really like this hybrid form. Could she improve your senses without her borrowing your body?

No. The "heightened senses" are just your senses, but less filtered. They're really just a trick to make the experience more intense - your senses aren't actually improved because most of the human senses are already up against physical limits. As I mentioned earlier, dark-adapted human eyes can detect single photons the brain ignores these because the visual system also has internal noise at this level and the human threshold of hearing is the atmospheric thermal noise floor - sounds below the threshold of hearing literally cannot exist - such waves do not propagate in air. Even our "laughably weak" sense of smell is constrained by human facial geometry - there's a reason canines have long snouts.

And the "hybrid form" isn't about power or heightened senses or any of that. Its purpose is extremely deep intimacy between "Wolfgirl" and her host.

If she could actually improve your senses like that, she'd just quietly do it "behind your back" with permanent effect.

Along that line, are there any good eye exercises that can actually improve "normal" vision? Everything I've found seems to derive from the Bates Method, which is known to be questionable and it's rationale is known to be outright wrong.

> I'm excited to experience the body hug trick, and her 'taking over/borrowing the body'

Hopefully I can make it work as well as I've imagined.

> Okay, that eases my apprehension.

What were your apprehensions about her efforts to improve your diet?

> Yeah, I can see the issue with that. Could the host give her a name?

Same problem, but with the added difficulty of having you name her while in deep trance.

Giving her only a "well-known" name ensures that her name is utterly devoid of any power over her or you. To you, in your thoughts, she's simply "'Wolfgirl'" but to someone else, speaking to her through your ears, shes "<your name>'s 'Wolfgirl'" - her name, spoken aloud by itself, never refers to her, so you can still talk to an actual person that also has the same name.

Her name being "well-known" also allows the files to refer to her by name. That reminds me, I'll need to include explicit statements after her personality is formed that your subconscious is to reject and ignore any future suggestions that attempt to change her personality or are inconsistent with her basic nature.

> I have a few ideas.

What are they? Let's hear them.

> I think I will require the hypnosis files to fully form her.

I know I will - I currently have a "prototype" but she's in a simulation/fantasy slot in my mind, not my subconscious. She has no fear of being forgotten when the project is complete because her "descendant" will then be in my subconscious and it's better that her baggage from all the false starts and wrong turns be abandoned. … At least I've got the "loves her host" part right.

>>44491

> move more

That's definitely one of the project's goals, yes.

I'll note here that weight loss is not necessarily her goal for you - the goal is improve you, which for most people will probably result in gaining weight - muscle weight, specifically. She wants you to be strong. Starting off overweight just means that bodyweight exercises will work all the better.

> The boost to HGH that is fairly well accepted during even very short fasts would certainly go along with the main theme of your project.

This could be very interesting. Can you cite a source for short fasts boosting HGH? How long is "short" here? Is water allowed? Liquid foods?

-

I was intending to simply let the rest of your post go, but "Wolfgirl" practices tough love and will mercilessly puncture self-delusion bubbles that are holding you back and the prototype is begging me to let her use her claws. Apologies in advance for the tone, her commentary is in red and she's pretending that I'm obese and just said what you did.

> I have been looking at nutrition for some time now and IMHO the medical science has agreed that the old model of 'eat less and move more' has been proven not to work,

< Okay, lardball, you're fat because you keep trying to make excuses. Those end now.

< Saying that "less cake and more exercise" doesn't work is literally claiming that biological systems do not follow basic laws of physics. If "Energy In" minus "Energy Out" isn't the change in stored energy, then congratulations! YOU'VE JUST SOLVED EVERY ENERGY CRISIS EVER! All we need to do is figure out how the cells are getting extra energy and get that going on an industrial scale.

< Back on planet Earth, meanwhile, we call Conservation of Energy a "Law of Physics" for a reason - we have never seen it violated. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL!

> old model of 'eat less and move more' has been proven not to work

< The only possible way that model can fail to work is lack of patient compliance or, in simpler terms, fatasses refusing to stop stuffing their fat faces and not actually doing exercise. Watching other people exercise doesn't count! You have to actually move! We'll fix that!

> so even if it is still the most common advice given, I would not like to see that in your project.

< It's the most common advice given because it's rooted in the LAWS OF PHYSICS, buttercup. It works.

> I vastly favor the 'hormonal theory of obesity,' which is well explained and promoted by Dr. Jason Fung (and others.) Perhaps 'wolf-girl' could encourage subjects to experiment with intermittent fasting to find some way to include it in their life.

< Intermittent fasting sounds great! Let's start with one simple rule. You are only allowed to eat or drink any caloric beverage at mealtimes. You are only allowed to have sugary drinks with meals. Only water otherwise. Only three meals per day, around sunrise, noon, and evening. Then you'll exercise and sleep. Want to try that?

>>44537

>No. The "heightened senses" are just your senses, but less filtered.

I realise that, but what I meant was could she 'unfilter' the senses even when not in 'hybrid form'?

>Hopefully I can make it work as well as I've imagined

From what you've already described, and the way you've explained everything, I believe you can.You seem to speak from experience.

>I'm almost afraid to ask, but what were you expecting?

More focus on fitness than on other self improvement.

>She'll want you to be knowledgeable, too. She'll be even more insistent on removing "junk food" from your mental diet than from your physical diet.

>What were your apprehensions about her efforts to improve your diet?

Just at times I can't get 'healthier' options.

>Her disapproval is less severe if that's the only food you can afford

So, that eases me a little.

>I know I will - I currently have a "prototype" but she's in a simulation/fantasy slot in my mind, not my subconscious.

Can you elaborate on this? How long do you think it will take to form Wolfgirl?

I can trance fairly deeply so..

>"Wolfgirl" practices tough love and will mercilessly puncture self-delusion bubbles that are holding you back

This is good.

Though, because she is apart of your subconscious, I take it she can look deeper than what the conscious mind can?

>>44530

>>44537

>>44538

This sounds interesting so far, I hope it turns out well

>>44538

I was really liking wolfgirl until she started channeling reruns of the Biggest Loser. Of course thats all she can do if thats your model of how to achieve health. Did you ever wonder why they never have a reunion show? Cause all the contestants are fat again!

It seems to me that moving more brings many health benefits, but also increases hunger. Eating less will lead to temporary weigh lost but also quickly leads to reduced metabolic rate, which means less energy to work out and regaining weight becomes easier. The Laws of Thermodynamic are still in effect.

Any diet is difficult to stick with over the long term. The more complicated the hard to keep it up. Fasting is not easy but it is simple. When you are not eating you burn thur the relatively small stores of sugar and then switch over to burning fat, which even very fit humans have months worth of energy in their fat stores. Therefore your metabolism stays high or even goes higher.

Normal eating in America is 16 hour of eating and 8 hours of fasting, that is while you sleep. Just flip the ratio and eat only in an 8 hour window. This way you 'exercise' both energy pathways, sugar and fat, each day. You are still better off eating better food, but the simplicity of the idea should make the change much easier to make, either by will or using tools such as hypnosis.

>>44567

If you want wolfgirl to help you lose fat, you're looking at the wrong files.

Wolfgirl wants you to get stronger, and build muscle.

Building strength and muscle, requires you to eat a lot more.

I don't follow a complex diet, I eat a diet high in protein and carbs to attain more muscle mass.

Also, 'Wolfgirl' was being sarcastic in her replies.

>>44570

Nothing wrong with getting stronger and building muscle. But if your target user is here in north america, most are gonna want to lose some fat so you can see there muscles.

Rereading my posts it is easy to see how you would think fat lost is my main concern– it is not! Fat is just a marker for Metabolic issues that lead to heart disease, cancer, and a whole host of auto immune disorders. However, the same metabolic issues exist in thin people too. What they have in common is they run on sugar, hardly ever using the fat burning pathways for energy.

The question of optimal diet clearly depends on your goals.

< Intermittent fasting sounds great! Let's start with one simple rule. You are only allowed to eat or drink any caloric beverage at mealtimes. You are only allowed to have sugary drinks with meals. Only water otherwise. Only three meals per day, around sunrise, noon, and evening. Then you'll exercise and sleep. Want to try that?

If you cut that to one or two meals a day and no sugary drinks then yes. That's what I am doing.

If you are gonna have wolfgirl give advice that has been proven not to work over 40 years, then perhaps it is better to leave nutrition out of the project.

>>44583

The best way to lose fat, is fasted cardio, (early in the morning,before breakfast) and weight training. Either way, unless you have a very muscular frame, and are sitting at around 20% body fat, a caloric deficit isn't going to help much. In order to properly lose fat, you have to bulk.

More muscle mass, equals a higher resting metabolic rate. Take me for example, I did tonnes of cardio, and yes, I was burning fat, but I was also losing strength, and if I had continued, I would have looked like an emo model from 2005.

Btw I'm not the author of these files.

>>44583

Also, 'wolfgirl' wants you to get strong like her, which means, these files are aimed at people that do want to gain strength and muscle, and improving themselves.

>>44278

>Close. Her form is constructed by "copying" your knowledge of your own body. Her personality is constructed by your subconscious within a broadly-defined framework.

What I meant is: As far as her "autonomous" actions go, it would be whatever the subject thinks of (consciously or not) but run through how "she" would handle it. Somewhat like roleplaying, but on an unconscious level and with the character being a hallucination instead of imagination. For example, she could indicate things that might be on the edge of your perception but important to "her" (your goals) or allow you to "self"-critique by providing a "second opinion" - provided it is something you are already aware of but ignoring.

>You'll feel her disapproval when you pick up a box of sugary junk food and her smile when you put it back on the shelf.

Like that as well.

>Other than herself, I'm not sure what she would help you visualize. Please explain.

Sorry, I was just referring to the exercises -movement of your own body. But she may potentially also stand as a "model" for artists.

>Not exactly. She'll only intervene to protect your life. Any lesser problems are things she'll encourage you about, but are ultimately your problems. She can help you, but you really have to work through your own problems. You can't grow if she simply blasts everything that stands in your way.

I suppose that depends on how someone finds the best way to deal with their internal issues is. The way that has worked for me is mentally separating the irrational fears, depression, etc affecting me into a visualization of some sort of "monster" and then visualizing a way to (powerfully, not effortlessly) destroy it. In this kind of… meditation I suppose you could call it? I think she would be helpful. Especially as her relationship with the subject is more of a "non-related big sister/best friend type" than a mentor or parent, if I understand the impression you mean to give off, like here:

>"Wolfgirl" practices tough love and will mercilessly puncture self-delusion bubbles that are holding you back

>for example, you'll eventually find that you now walk on the forepads and toes of your feet unless you are wearing shoes that prevent you from lifting your heels. This serves to strengthen and exercise some of your leg muscles, while also reducing impacts on your joints.

This is actually extremely bad for the back and can lead to posture problems, please don't include this.

>Gym memberships cost money, and I'm extremely reluctant to make hypnotic suggestions for spending money. Too many findom hypnowhales out there. I'm really looking for more discussion on >>43998 here.

Have her ask you if you are really allowing yourself to use what you need to truly push yourself, as more of a rhetorical question. This way the subject can decide what they want to do - from a high end gym to going inna woods and picking up rocks, the subject can appease her by being honest and solving such a problem (if it exists) when asked.

>Do we have solid, credible advice for nutrition that could be packaged up?

Similar here, she should push you to research, and remind you of the things you found out, as well as being hyperaware of scams and not letting you fall into self-defeating delusion for an easy way out.

This keeps the files somewhat timeless such that they are not restricted to the science of the day and become dangerous should specific advice be found to be detrimental.

>>44629

Not the authour, but regarding this

>What I meant is: As far as her "autonomous" actions go, it would be whatever the subject thinks of (consciously or not) but run through how "she" would handle it. Somewhat like roleplaying, but on an unconscious level and with the character being a hallucination instead of imagination.

I asked this:

I assume she's somewhat self aware?

The author replied as thus : >Are you self aware? Yes.

I could be wrong, but this implies she's quite capable of being autonomous on her own, without input from conscious mind or subconscious.

>Have her ask you if you are really allowing yourself to use what you need to truly push yourself, as more of a rhetorical question. This way the subject can decide what they want to do - from a high end gym to going inna woods and picking up rocks, the subject can appease her by being honest and solving such a problem (if it exists) when asked.

Good idea. I can't complain about the gym I go to, it's literally $15 USD a month. What I can complain about, is not being able to get there as often as I'd like, but I won't get into that.

>>44260

>She is fiercely protective of her host and has immense power within your mind. She can manifest with basically human hands with fingernails, hands with little claws, or full claws in place of fingers. This last form is not something she uses frequently or, for that matter, at all outside of your mind. Her "true" claws are basically indestructible and insanely sharp. She only uses them to destroy. She doesn't take this lightly either - she will only use her full power in this way to remove things that you/her/your subconscious believe will otherwise lead you to suicide. Nothing can stand before her will to destroy, but destruction is a last resort. Nor can any external influence "aim" her destruction - she'll respond to the attempt by destroying that influence instead.

>

>You might notice blood spatters or even bits of … gibs … on her fur after she has destroyed something with her claws by cutting it to ribbons, then to confetti that spontaneously combusts when she's through with it. She'll idly comment about needing a shower and will either manifest in the shower with you and let you wash her or simply give you another "body hug" when you next take a shower and clean both her form and your body at once. You probably won't remember what it was she destroyed - she's really thorough about that. She might tell you about it later, when she knows you can't be hurt by it anymore. She might not even remember a true horror herself, having obliterated it utterly from your mind.

Also read here.

>She is fiercely protective of her host and has immense power within your mind. She can manifest with basically human hands with fingernails, hands with little claws, or full claws in place of fingers. This last form is not something she uses frequently or, for that matter, at all outside of your mind. Her "true" claws are basically indestructible and insanely sharp. She only uses them to destroy. She doesn't take this lightly either - she will only use her full power in this way to remove things that you/her/your subconscious believe will otherwise lead you to suicide. Nothing can stand before her will to destroy, but destruction is a last resort. Nor can any external influence "aim" her destruction - she'll respond to the attempt by destroying that influence instead.

You might notice blood spatters or even bits of … gibs … on her fur after she has destroyed something with her claws by cutting it to ribbons, then to confetti that spontaneously combusts when she's through with it. She'll idly comment about needing a shower and will either manifest in the shower with you and let you wash her or simply give you another "body hug" when you next take a shower and clean both her form and your body at once. You probably won't remember what it was she destroyed - she's really thorough about that. She might tell you about it later, when she knows you can't be hurt by it anymore. She might not even remember a true horror herself, having obliterated it utterly from your mind.

I know I have a few memories/feelings what have you, that I would like her help in destroying, or burying.

>>44629

>Especially as her relationship with the subject is more of a "non-related big sister/best friend type" than a mentor

I suppose everyone will see her in a different light.

For me, I see "Wolfgirl" as a lot more than a sibiling, or a best friend.

I see her as a guide, and a mentor and a constant life companion, but also a manifestation of your 'true self/higher self' and I do hope, that the author includes that aspect in a later optional file. The way, the self reinforcing intimacy, and love loop, see:

>Her affection for you becomes your affection for her becomes her affection for you in a self-reinforcing loop. She feeds on this to grow stronger.

Which means your affection, and love for each other, will be infinite. Oddly, this means you will love yourself even more. This is not a bad thing, because as the saying goes, you cannot love others, if you do not love yourself first.

>>44541

> could she 'unfilter' the senses even when not in 'hybrid form'?

Not really. Maybe, but "heightened senses" are intended to be overwhelming for you. That's why you have the filters in the first place. She bypasses them to make the experience more intense, but that's one of the reasons you can't stay in "hybrid form" too long - it feels amazing but it's mentally exhausting. You'll probably want a nap after it ends.

> You seem to speak from experience.

Remember how I described the prototype as in a simulation/fantasy slot in my mind? I've had some experiences…

> More focus on fitness than on other self improvement.

That was the case in earlier drafts, particularly when she was still sexual, but "Wolfgirl" broadened out a bit along the way and I think she's better for it.

> How long do you think it will take to form Wolfgirl?

I don't know yet. The prototype has developed over a few years, but she's not exactly "Wolfgirl" either and quite a bit of that development has since been rethought. The plan in >>43851 is tentatively expected to take an unknown amount of time until you first feel her touch, then a few weeks for each stage if you use the files every day before bed. Overall, I'll take a "shot in the dark" and estimate about half a year or so from "first touch" to "I'll always be with you now." This kind of deep change is not quick.

> I can trance fairly deeply so..

If the TTS works like I want, you might learn a new meaning for "deep" from this program.

> I take it she can look deeper than what the conscious mind can?

She can certainly instantly spot the conscious mind's self-delusions and know exactly how to blow such houses of cards to bits in ways that you can't help but accept.

>>44543

> ballerina's have amazing foot control,en pointe for example.

That's not control as much as having sufficient lower leg strength to do that and a finely-honed sense of balance. The shoes are also part of the trick, actually doing en pointe on your bare toes would be painful if not injurious. Note how tightly the shoes fit in that picture and how they're basically "taped-on" to the entire foot including the ankle.

> I also assume this means when she 'manifests' her weights, they will be heavier than yours, and if they're roughly the same weight, she will tease you, that the weights are so very light for her?

I think that'll be up to your own subconscious. She knows she's stronger than you, and she also knows how hard your weights really are for you to lift, so she'll tease you if your weights are very light for you, but she'll also understand if those are the only weights you have, or if you're using common objects as weights because you don't actually have weights, or some similar reason. She'll either start manifesting weights for you to use that are as heavy as you can possibly bear because the "weight" of her weights is really your own muscles opposing you or switch you to bodyweight exercises, or some combination. I'm pretty sure that I can get your own subconscious to handle this, after all, you wanted "Wolfgirl" because you wanted to get fit and strong.

[I'm skipping over some posts here that I need to think about more.]

>>44629

> This is actually extremely bad for the back and can lead to posture problems, please don't include this.

Please cite a source. I had the impression that landing on your heels is extremely bad for your knees, especially when running, but also to a lesser extent even when walking. To be clear, you would stand flat-footed, but move more on your toes. Is this actually a problem? I don't mean high heels, either, but just barely keeping your weight off of your heels when walking or standing but ready to move, balance permitting.

>>44634

>That was the case in earlier drafts, particularly when she was still sexual, but "Wolfgirl" broadened out a bit along the way and I think she's better for it.

Yeah, I can tell through the discussions here, that she's expanded a lot more than you thought, which fantastic, because she's starting to become more 'fleshed out'.

>She can certainly instantly spot the conscious mind's self-delusions and know exactly how to blow such houses of cards to bits in ways that you can't help but accept.

Great. Tough love is something the 'higher self' should practice.

>That's not control as much as having sufficient lower leg strength to do that and a finely-honed sense of balance. The shoes are also part of the trick, actually doing en pointe on your bare toes would be painful if not injurious. Note how tightly the shoes fit in that picture and how they're basically "taped-on" to the entire foot including the ankle.

Yeah, I once fancied a dancer, so I know the injuries.

Rereading what you wrote, it was probably a bad example, I'll try and find a better example.

> She'll either start manifesting weights for you to use that are as heavy as you can possibly bear because the "weight" of her weights is really your own muscles opposing you or switch you to bodyweight exercises, or some combination. I'm pretty sure that I can get your own subconscious to handle this, after all, you wanted "Wolfgirl" because you wanted to get fit and strong.

That's a very interesting idea.

Though

>you wanted "Wolfgirl" because you wanted to get fit and strong.

Is only half true for me. I want to get fit and strong, yeah, but I can see her being a lot more than that, and certain things we have discussed in this thread, make me hopeful she can achieve that.

>The plan in >>43851 is tentatively expected to take an unknown amount of time until you first feel her touch, then a few weeks for each stage if you use the files every day before bed. Overall, I'll take a "shot in the dark" and estimate about half a year or so from "first touch" to "I'll always be with you now." This kind of deep change is not quick.

I plan to listen to these files every single day, and perhaps even multiple times per day.

>If the TTS works like I want, you might learn a new meaning for "deep" from this program.

Oh, now this sounds amazing.

>Remember how I described the prototype as in a simulation/fantasy slot in my mind? I've had some experiences…

Forgive me, if you don't want to share, that's perfectly alright, but if you can, would you mind explaining a little?

I've never experienced anything like that…so…I'm kinda keen to find out more about what it's like.

>>44634

>That's not control as much as having sufficient lower leg strength to do that and a finely-honed sense of balance. The shoes are also part of the trick, actually doing en pointe on your bare toes would be painful if not injurious. Note how tightly the shoes fit in that picture and how they're basically "taped-on" to the entire foot including the ankle.

https://youtu.be/uCOfiSVO9Ug?t=158

Is this more what you meant?

>>44583

whoa this

too much truth in one post

>>44639

It seem like wolf girl is all about removing self delusion which holds back your progress so truth should be a good thing, yes?

I'm a bit pressed for time right now. Answers to other posts will come later.

>>44637

> Is this more what you meant?

> [video] "open things with feet" "weird thing #6"

Yes, but not quite that to that extreme. You'll use your feet when convenient, not almost compulsively as they seem to do in the video. Using the examples in that video:

[1] bottom freezer drawer on refrigerator - maybe, but you'll need to bend or squat to reach inside anyway, so you'd be more likely to "hook" the bottom edge or side of the drawer than use the handle with your foot

[2] upper refrigerator door - not likely

[3] upper cabinet - probably not, even if your hands are "full" - you'll use one finger instead

You'll certainly use your feet to push a door closed that is within a few inches of the floor. So, for cases [1] and [2], you might use your foot to close the door. Another example is a dishwasher - you'll tend to use your feet to "lift" the door partway, probably at the midpoint or nearer the hinge at the base, trading mechanical advantage for better exercise, then close the door the rest of the way and lock it using your hand once the top is within easy reach.

Generally, feet are most useful for reaching things below your knees, while you'll usually use your hands for reaching above your waist. The example I gave earlier was picking up a piece of trash from the floor and putting it in an open-top trashcan. In between, you'll do either, as convenient. You can also bend down or squat to pick up something if you need to or if you need it in your hand and don't want to touch it with your hand after grasping it with your feet.

Also, you can "pull" with the tops of your toes for opening things, which is different than the "foot-grasps" illustrated in that video. She'll make you curious about different ways to interact with the world, so you'll want to learn to use your feet when useful. She'll also make you try different ways of using your hands, from the "normal" human grasps to using the backs and sides of your fingers when you can safely use them. For example, you might sometimes use both hands to grasp and turn a doorknob using the backs of your fingers or otherwise find ways to operate doors with your fingers curled, just for fun. You'll enjoy finding new ways to use your own body to accomplish your goals.

Also, you'll tend to divide surfaces into "foot touch" and "hand touch" categories for hygiene reasons. Depending on your personal tolerances, that line may be strict or fuzzy, with more categories - "hand touch only" for where you store food, but a tool commonly used in a dirty environment and often dropped may be "any touch" and often passed from foot-grasp to hand-grasp.

You'll be aware of safety concerns and won't use your feet to pick up things that are sharp or otherwise potentially dangerous if you have to suddenly shift your weight and your foot comes down on top of what you picked up. You might be able to mitigate such risks, such as by bracing against a wall or table with one hand while grasping an object with your foot and passing it to your other hand.

As for wearing leotards in public, another item in that video, another part of the program is intended to make you psychologically comfortable in any clothing or lack thereof, provided that it is safe for your current environment. Going nude in public probably isn't "safe" in most places. It might be safe or even expected in some areas, so it's neither explicitly encouraged nor forbidden. You're expected to know your own situation. Physical comfort is another matter, and is more complex than "less clothes in more heat" - clothes can also be portable shade or the closest thing you'll have to her fur, which keeps her cool in heat by quickly evaporating her sweat. Her sweat smells amazingly nice, btw.

After all, she never wears any clothes at all, but no one else can see her anyway. Other people can see you.

>>44567

> I was really liking wolfgirl until she started channeling reruns of the Biggest Loser. Of course thats all she can do if thats your model of how to achieve health.

Well, she was talking to "me" and that's what it would take to get me to lose that particular fat logic. Your results may vary. She'd use whatever it takes to get you to move more and eat better. She was so happy to write that that I couldn't stop smiling.

Also, please read the first part of >>44538 again, before the "-" on its own line. Those are my questions about intermittent fasting above that mark.

> Did you ever wonder why they never have a reunion show?

No, because I don't watch that garbage. Reality TV is "junk food" for your mind. You should spend that time exercising instead of watching other people exercise.

> Cause all the contestants are fat again!

Of course. They go back to their old, unhealthy habits as soon as the show is over - and those habits are how they got fat the first time. The difference is that "Wolfgirl" won't let you go back to your old habits.

> It seems to me that moving more brings many health benefits, but also increases hunger. Eating less will lead to temporary weigh lost but also quickly leads to reduced metabolic rate, which means less energy to work out and regaining weight becomes easier. The Laws of Thermodynamic are still in effect.

Muscle has significantly higher resting metabolism than fat. Gaining muscle increases base metabolic rate and the effect is much larger than any "starvation mode" that unbalanced hormones can cause from reduced intake. "Wolfgirl" can take advantage of your weight to start this process, using your own fat as "built-in" weights for your muscles to lift.

> Any diet is difficult to stick with over the long term. The more complicated the hard to keep it up. Fasting is not easy but it is simple. When you are not eating you burn thur the relatively small stores of sugar and then switch over to burning fat, which even very fit humans have months worth of energy in their fat stores. Therefore your metabolism stays high or even goes higher.

Yeah, "fad diets" will not be in any way part of the program. Weight change diet is simple - "calories in" minus "calories out" yields change in stored calories. You can eat as many cupcakes as you want, but she'll make sure you "burn them off" and then some.

One of the nastier insidious calorie sources is sugary beverages, including fruit juices. She won't let you forget that beverages other than water have calories too.

> Normal eating in America is 16 hour of eating and 8 hours of fasting, that is while you sleep. Just flip the ratio and eat only in an 8 hour window. This way you 'exercise' both energy pathwys, sugar and fat, each day.

Oh. Bad scheduling leads to breakfast, lunch, and dinner being spread out farther than they should be. A 12 hour window is probably more appropriate.

> You are still better off eating better food, but the simplicity of the idea should make the change much easier to make, either by will or using tools such as hypnosis.

The problem is that that bad scheduling is usually imposed from outside pressures related to work and commuting.

>>44570

> If you want wolfgirl to help you lose fat, you're looking at the wrong files.

Not entirely wrong. While carrying around fat gives your muscles something to do, strength isn't very useful if you have to use all of it just to carry your own body. She'll want you to lose the excessive fat eventually.

> Wolfgirl wants you to get stronger, and build muscle.

Yes.

> Building strength and muscle, requires you to eat a lot more.

That depends on how much you're eating already.

> I don't follow a complex diet, I eat a diet high in protein and carbs to attain more muscle mass.

Yes, but you should probably consider more dietary fats as well. Balancing energy from fats and carbs is almost certainly better than trying to use either exclusively. Of course, reduce the fat in your diet to burn some of your own fat.

Inexpensive high-protein foods can be rather bland. Should she be able to "help" you eat such a meal?

>>44583

> Nothing wrong with getting stronger and building muscle. But if your target user is here in north america, most are gonna want to lose some fat so you can see there muscles.

"Wolfgirl" will eventually want you to lose excess fat, but not until after she's finished using that fat for your workouts. You'll lose the fat as your muscles grow. Bulging muscles isn't the goal here either. The goal is strength.

> Rereading my posts it is easy to see how you would think fat lost is my main concern– it is not! Fat is just a marker for Metabolic issues that lead to heart disease, cancer, and a whole host of auto immune disorders. However, the same metabolic issues exist in thin people too. What they have in common is they run on sugar, hardly ever using the fat burning pathways for energy.

So the problem is an excess of sugar in the diet. The human body cannot store sugar, except by converting it to fat. Energy is obtained, in order of preference, from sugars, fats, and, as a last resort, proteins. So if you eat more calories from sugars than you use, the excess sugars are converted to fat, and only sugar is used for energy, leading to … problems.

One option would be to have "no sugar" days to force the burning of some fat, but that's just alternating between two extremes, which will almost certainly make its own problems.

So we need her to adjust your diet and activity level such that you burn all of the sugar calories that you eat on most days.

> The question of optimal diet clearly depends on your goals.

Yes, and it varies with time. Protein is needed for building muscles, but both fat and carbs are needed for endurance training.

If we visualize this as a stacked bar chart with a line at "calories out" indicating your energy needs for the day, and stacked bars representing "calories in" with dietary sugars, dietary fats, stored fats, dietary proteins, and stored proteins, we find some diet goals. We never want stored proteins to be used, that's breaking down muscle. The boundaries between the sources are somewhat fuzzy, but sugars are used before fats and proteins are burned as a last resort. The "stored fats" segment is "stretchy" - your body will only extract the fats from storage that it needs, but there are limits to how fast you can store or extract fat. We generally want the "calories out" line to be in either the dietary or stored fat segments, depending on whether your weight is currently fluctuating up or down.

We have a few controls - we can increase the "calories out" with exercise, and we can adjust the dietary segments.

> If you are gonna have wolfgirl give advice that has been proven not to work over 40 years, then perhaps it is better to leave nutrition out of the project.

The old advice works if followed. The problem is that the obese don't follow it. If they did, they wouldn't have gotten fat in the first place.

>>44589

> The best way to lose fat, is fasted cardio, (early in the morning,before breakfast) and weight training. Either way, unless you have a very muscular frame, and are sitting at around 20% body fat, a caloric deficit isn't going to help much. In order to properly lose fat, you have to bulk.

> More muscle mass, equals a higher resting metabolic rate. Take me for example, I did tonnes of cardio, and yes, I was burning fat, but I was also losing strength, and if I had continued, I would have looked like an emo model from 2005.

Interesting. I especially like the idea of an early morning "quick workout" using your own fat as exercise weights.

>>44590

> Also, 'wolfgirl' wants you to get strong like her, which means, these files are aimed at people that do want to gain strength and muscle, and improving themselves.

Yes, but "Wolfgirl" is an ideal and understands fully that she's there to pull you towards a goal that you'll never quite reach, but you'll enjoy the journey and the striving.

In particular, she has better-defined muscles than any human female can really maintain. Women need more fat than that. Because she's non-sexual, she can have male-like musculature. A healthy muscle-woman still has a fairly smooth appearance, although her muscles can be felt. Men can have a visible "six-pack" but it's not really healthy for us either. Humans of both sexes are supposed to have some subcutaneous fat, but not so much that skin folds form. "Wolfgirl" will slowly push you towards an ideal physique, but she knows that a bit more fat than that is more healthy for you.

>>44629

> Somewhat like roleplaying, but on an unconscious level and with the character being a hallucination instead of imagination. For example, she could indicate things that might be on the edge of your perception but important to "her" (your goals) or allow you to "self"-critique by providing a "second opinion" - provided it is something you are already aware of but ignoring.

Yes.

> But she may potentially also stand as a "model" for artists.

A whole class of "furry" art - "Wolfgirl" portraits. A nice bonus, I guess, for lulz if nothing else.

> I suppose that depends on how someone finds the best way to deal with their internal issues is. The way that has worked for me is mentally separating the irrational fears, depression, etc affecting me into a visualization of some sort of "monster" and then visualizing a way to (powerfully, not effortlessly) destroy it.

Perhaps, but you would be destroying it. She'll reward her "conquering knight" for slaying the "dragon" with a big hug or some similar gesture of affection.

> This is actually extremely bad for the back and can lead to posture problems

[Also mentioned in >>44364]

This is more avoiding "heel-striking" than "wearing" high heels. Are you sure that's bad?

High heels cause different problems, mostly related to keeping the feet in that position and worse - effectively heel-striking while the foot is extended, which is completely unnatural. High heels are basically modern We5t3rn footbinding and are about as evil.

Reading a bit more, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gait_(human)&oldid=851613086#Foot_strike , I find that heel strikes use the least energy but cause the most joint stress in running. So running on forepads is a double advantage for the program, both decreasing the chance of a stress injury and increasing energy use. For walking you'll be pushed to use midfoot or forefoot strikes unless you know you'll be walking a very long distance, then you'll use the more-efficient heel strike, which is less damaging when walking than running.

I normally walk with either midfoot or forefoot strikes, even with shoes. My feet stopped hurting after I made that change.

> Have her ask you if you are really allowing yourself to use what you need to truly push yourself, as more of a rhetorical question. This way the subject can decide what they want to do - from a high end gym to going inna woods and picking up rocks, the subject can appease her by being honest and solving such a problem (if it exists) when asked.

This is an interesting facet of her personality, thanks.

> she should push you to research, and remind you of the things you found out,

That was the original plan.

> as well as being hyperaware of scams and not letting you fall into self-defeating delusion for an easy way out.

I'm so close to having you understand her limitations and yet still so far…

She has the same awareness of scams that you do. About the best I could do is make her cynical and suspicious of anything you read that suggests buying anything. Any good general advice for detecting scams?

> This keeps the files somewhat timeless such that they are not restricted to the science of the day

That's a goal for the project, yes.

> become dangerous should specific advice be found to be detrimental.

More like "become known to be dangerous" - bad advice is bad advice whether you know its bad or not.

>>44630

> I could be wrong, but this implies she's quite capable of being autonomous on her own, without input from conscious mind or subconscious.

Know thyself.

She's as autonomous as you are.

> I can't complain about the gym I go to, it's literally $15 USD a month. What I can complain about, is not being able to get there as often as I'd like

That's the sort of problem she'd make you solve. You'll sit with her and rework your schedule to get more gym time.

> I know I have a few memories/feelings what have you, that I would like her help in destroying, or burying.

Generally, it's unlikely that she'd do anything dramatic - the "claws out, kill, kill, kill" is reserved for something that would kill you, like an alter derived from watching too much auto-strangulation porn. It's more likely that she'd talk them over with you while cuddling, as much as needed until the memory is there, but the pain is drained away. Or maybe something else - she'd push to you to research self-help for whatever is bothering you.

>>44632

> For me, I see "Wolfgirl" as a lot more than a sibiling, or a best friend.

The exact relationship between "Wolfgirl" and her host is something I'm still working on. The earlier "sister-companion" concept was the first way I could describe it, intending to express the idea of an intimate but non-sexual relationship.

> I see her as a guide, and a mentor and a constant life companion, but also a manifestation of your 'true self/higher self'

All intended.

> I do hope, that the author includes that aspect in a later optional file.

This is definitely on the plan. The file will be only loosely "optional" - it's use is strongly encouraged, but you can skip it if it contradicts your beliefs, for example, if you are a strict atheist materialist. See >>44412.

> Which means your affection, and love for each other, will be infinite. Oddly, this means you will love yourself even more. This is not a bad thing, because as the saying goes, you cannot love others, if you do not love yourself first.

However your subconscious interprets that.

>>44636

> I want to get fit and strong, yeah, but I can see her being a lot more than that, and certain things we have discussed in this thread, make me hopeful she can achieve that.

The idea is to lead with "get fit and strong" and slip in the rest of the self-improvement while people are drooling about fitness. Yeah, it's a bit underhanded, but most people will be far more interested in fitness than general self-improvement. Even you want to get fit and strong, you just see so much more you can also get.

> I plan to listen to these files every single day

I don't know yet if that'll be a good idea, or if you'll need to listen to a file for a few days, wait for the effects, listen more, feel more effects, repeat until ready to move to the next file.

> perhaps even multiple times per day

Probably not the best of ideas. I don't know how long the files will be yet, but see the next…

> now this sounds amazing

I'm pretty sure I'll have at least two "awakener" files - one longer file that actually wakes you up and one shorter file that sends you to bed to sleep it off. The "long" awakener might be pretty long and you might still be a bit groggy, depending on how deep the trance gets. The "short" "awakener" doesn't even try - it just brings you to a high-enough trance to be a "zombie" doing whatever your routine between "now" and "bed" happens to be. The more you try to think, the thicker the fog in your mind gets. Then you go to bed and the session replays in your mind, sending you to sleep.

> Forgive me, if you don't want to share, that's perfectly alright, but if you can, would you mind explaining a little?

> I've never experienced anything like that…so…I'm kinda keen to find out more about what it's like.

I have a vivid imagination, especially when lying in bed half-asleep.

That reminds me that I probably should write down the prehistory of Project "Wolfgirl" - it's quite the story.

On a side note, can any anon here translate the moonrunes in the >>44334 picture?

>>44775

>In particular, she has better-defined muscles than any human female can really maintain.

This kinda makes me really want to feel her muscles. Hahaha!

My ideal body is somewhat fitness model like.

>Perhaps, but you would be destroying it. She'll reward her "conquering knight" for slaying the "dragon" with a big hug or some similar gesture of affection.

Love the idea behind this. It also shows her unending love for you.

>Know thyself.

She's as autonomous as you are.

So she really is an almost separate entity?

If so, I really, really do like that.

>Generally, it's unlikely that she'd do anything dramatic - the "claws out, kill, kill, kill" is reserved for something that would kill you, like an alter derived from watching too much auto-strangulation porn. It's more likely that she'd talk them over with you while cuddling, as much as needed until the memory is there, but the pain is drained away.

Unless of course it's something you might want?

>The exact relationship between "Wolfgirl" and her host is something I'm still working on. The earlier "sister-companion" concept was the first way I could describe it, intending to express the idea of an intimate but non-sexual relationship.

I understand that, but it also seems like her love for you, will go far beyond what a 'normal' person, be it a sibiling, or what have you.

>All intended.

Excellent.

>However your subconscious interprets that.

Understood. From what you said earlier in this thread, your love for each other will continue to grow?

>This is definitely on the plan. The file will be only loosely "optional" - it's use is strongly encouraged, but you can skip it if it contradicts your beliefs, for example, if you are a strict atheist materialist

Thankfully I'm not! So I'll definitely listen to it. I'm a spiritualist.

>The idea is to lead with "get fit and strong" and slip in the rest of the self-improvement while people are drooling about fitness. Yeah, it's a bit underhanded, but most people will be far more interested in fitness than general self-improvement. Even you want to get fit and strong, you just see so much more you can also get.

It's probably the best way to get people to improve, it is slightly underhanded, but it's the best way, and thanks, there is so much more about her that I can see…including the metaphysical aspects.

>The "short" "awakener" doesn't even try - it just brings you to a high-enough trance to be a "zombie" doing whatever your routine between "now" and "bed" happens to be. The more you try to think, the thicker the fog in your mind gets. Then you go to bed and the session replays in your mind, sending you to sleep.

When do you suggest listening to the short awakener then?

>That reminds me that I probably should write down the prehistory of Project "Wolfgirl" - it's quite the story.

This will be very interesting, and I'm keen to hear it.

A few other questions.

Seeing as if I feel like my mind is already preparing for her, and that a 'seed' of her is already there, could these files be more effective on me? Also, will me really wanting her to be a constant companion, and to meet her, have a similar effect?

>This is definitely on the plan. The file will be only loosely "optional" - it's use is strongly encouraged, but you can skip it if it contradicts your beliefs, for example, if you are a strict atheist materialist

Could you elaborate on this?

I mentioned some names earlier, but I think they've gotten buried in the thread.

Lupa

In the Roman foundation myth, it was a she-wolf that nursed and sheltered the twins Romulus and Remus after they were abandoned in the wild by order of King Amulius of Alba Longa. She cared for the infants at her den, a cave known as the Lupercal, until they were discovered by a shepherd, Faustulus. Romulus would later become the founder and first king of Rome. The image of the she-wolf suckling the twins has been a symbol of Rome since ancient times and is one of the most recognizable icons of ancient mythology.

Athena,goddess of the hunt.

Freyja,nordic goddess of beauty,hunt, love and magic….and sex.

Cerridwen

(keh-RID-wen). "Lady of Inspiration": To the Celts of the British Isles and Brittany, She was Goddess of Wisdom, Poetry and Grain. Her annual slaying of Gwion mimics the change of the seasons. She is often depicted with Her Cauldron of Wisdom.

Moon and grain goddess who possesses the great cauldron of knowledge. Sacred to Cerridwin: cauldron; vervain; dark moon.

Mother of Taliesen, greatest and wisest of all the bards, therefore she is patron of poets. Caridwen corresponds with Brigit. She is connected with wolves, & some believe that her cult dates to the Neolithic era. Originally a corn goddess.

>>44779

I vote Lupa, that sounds like a great name

>>44813

I'm torn between Cerridwen and Lupa.

>>44815

Cerridwen is a bit long, I'd end up shortening it Cerri. Lupa is already short and sweet. That's my thought anyway

>>44777

I've been thinking about certain aspects of 'wolfgirl' and considering she's apart of the subconscious, could she help in short term memory recall?

I know the subconscious does track a lot of things the conscious mind doesn't…for example if you're a little bit of a scatterbrain, could she point out to where you've left something, like car keys for instance?

Also, I'm sure she'd enjoy where I live…wide open spaces where she can use my body to go running in, and a pool to swim in…

>>44779 (names) / >>44813 / >>44815 / >>44818

> Lupa

That could be an interesting possibility. Also plausible as the classical root for the word "lupine" which describes some of her aspects.

> Athena

> Freyja

> Cerridwen

She won't be named directly after a major mythological figure or well-known deity. There are a few reasons for this. The two biggest are [1] those figures have well-established personalities, at least among well-read people, that are likely to conflict with "Wolfgirl"'s intended personality and [2] those names are likely to be abused by hypnowhales - if a fuzzy search in this board would hit on a l33ted version of the name, that's no good.

> Cerri

Which would be pronounced "Kerry" or conflated with "Sherri" to much confusion.

One of her "ancestors" was named "Sasha" - that was the first name my mind came up with for a wolf-girl-type character at the time and I've been tentatively using it for her, but perhaps a clean break might be better.

A big question - is "Lupa" a common name in any known culture?

>>44824

Lupa translates to She-wolf. But can also refer to a female wolf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lupa

>>44779

> This kinda makes me really want to feel her muscles. Hahaha!

Well, women can have large muscles, but their minimal body fat is such that those muscles won't be visible. Women who do develop that physique quickly develop health problems - it's incompatible with female fertility, to start. Men aren't hurt nearly as badly by such low body fat, but it's not good for us either. "Wolfgirl" is a mental projection, so these physical limits don't apply to her. She'll have whatever form most appeals to you and most inspires you towards her goals for you.

> My ideal body is somewhat fitness model like.

Careful with that - many fitness models have physiques that are only possible on roids and see the spoiler near the top of >>44398 for what happens if you try those.

> So she really is an almost separate entity?

Almost. She shares your memories, but her thoughts are an independent "path" through your mind, unless she's aligning her thoughts with yours, which is a step for some of the tricks that build on "body hug" where the process must not interrupt your actions. An example of this is the first extension I thought of for the "borrow your body" trick - she can drive you home after a long day's work. You'll be in "hybrid form" the whole time, but your awareness is focused completely on the minor details of safely navigating traffic, so much so that you're more aware of your vehicle than your own body. She navigates with wordless suggestions. You're in total bliss.

> Unless of course it's something you might want?

Just because you want it doesn't make it best for you. Besides, erasing memories, even if you want them erased, is very ethically questionable.

> I understand that, but it also seems like her love for you, will go far beyond what a 'normal' person, be it a sibiling, or what have you.

Yes. What makes it hard to describe is that physically intimate but non-sexual relationships are very rare in modern society.

> It's probably the best way to get people to improve, it is slightly underhanded, but it's the best way,

Well, the other argument is that mental fitness is also important and often even more lacking than physical fitness. She wants you to be fit, both physically and mentally.

> When do you suggest listening to the short awakener then?

Obviously, since the short awakener sends you to bed, you would put it in the playlist when using the files before going to bed. Since it uses a "replay" of the session in your mind to send you to sleep, using it gives you an "extra" session.

> This will be very interesting, and I'm keen to hear it.

It'll also be rather long and will take considerable time to write and edit, particularly if I include the details.

> Seeing as if I feel like my mind is already preparing for her, and that a 'seed' of her is already there, could these files be more effective on me? Also, will me really wanting her to be a constant companion, and to meet her, have a similar effect?

I don't know.

> Could you elaborate on this? [after second copy of same quote]

I'm unsure what you're asking.

>>44824 was an earlier draft of this post

>>44779 (names) / >>44813 / >>44815 / >>44818

> Lupa

That could be an interesting possibility. Also plausible as the classical root for the word "lupine" which describes some of her aspects.

> Athena

> Freyja

> Cerridwen

She won't be named directly after a major mythological figure or well-known deity. There are a few reasons for this. The two biggest are [1] those figures have well-established personalities, at least among well-read people, that are likely to conflict with "Wolfgirl"'s intended personality and [2] those names are most likely to be abused by hypnowhales - if a fuzzy search in this board would hit on a l33ted version of the name, then it's no good.

> Cerri

Which would be pronounced "Kerry" or conflated with "Sherri" or "Sara" to much confusion.

> Caridwen corresponds with Brigit.

Hmm, "Brigi" could have an interesting "flavor" to it.

One of her "ancestors" was named "Sasha" - that was the first name my mind came up with for a wolf-girl-type character at the time and I've been tentatively using it for her, but perhaps a clean break might be better.

A big question - are "Lupa" or "Brigi" common names in any known culture?

Is her name better with a final "a" or final "i" sound?

>>44821

> I've been thinking about certain aspects of 'wolfgirl' and considering she's apart of the subconscious, could she help in short term memory recall?

Maybe. Depends on how your brain works.

> I know the subconscious does track a lot of things the conscious mind doesn't…for example if you're a little bit of a scatterbrain, could she point out to where you've left something, like car keys for instance?

Maybe. Should I include suggestions that she'll learn to keep track of objects that you often misplace and tease you when you misplace them yet again? Then she'll tell you where she thinks you left it, and you have to do a few reps of some simple exercise if she's right? Only thing is, she might start causing you to misplace things - she loves to tease you!

> Also, I'm sure she'd enjoy where I live…wide open spaces where she can use my body to go running in, and a pool to swim in…

Small misunderstanding - she has her own form that she can manifest in your presence. She won't use your body to run - she'll run alongside you. You and "Wolfgirl" share memories, so she'll remember your experience afterwards anyway. Now the "borrow your body" trick is a bit different and you could find yourself running quite far in "hybrid form" since it just feels so good to move. Or you might "run out" together, have a nice picnic, and she might "borrow your body" for the run back, which is probably safer.

>>44850

> Yeah, the thing is, I don't want to be 'huge' like some of those guys. I'll show you an example of what I aspire to be like. It's more 'greek god' than bodybuilder.

The "greek god" physique like the ancient statues is probably achievable, but that picture is questionable. The arm muscles in particular might be too big to be natural and are definitely too big to be proportionate and useful - he's done a lot of workouts that exercise only his arms. His overall body fat is also probably low, tolerable for a man, but suboptimal. "Wolfgirl" would probably tell him to eat more and do more squats and sit-ups - his lower body is much less developed.

Maybe "Wolfgirl" should push to you to minimize the equipment that you use? The kind of physique in that picture is a fairly common result of over-emphasis on upper body workouts that are only possible with certain equipment, such as a weight bench for a bench press routine. It's possible to get well-balanced results from careful use of a gym full of weight machines, but much easier to get well-balanced results from bodyweight and free-weight exercises.

> I'm keen to hear your thoughts on her aspects of being the hosts higher self. What do you intend to add etc.

Well, an avatar of the Higher Self and of your connection to Nature. I'm not entirely sure how to express that yet. I know the goal, but I think I might just mention only that and leave the details up to your subconscious.

> Ha! That could be fun… I like the added reps.

No, not added reps, a few reps of some quick exercise right there. Like maybe the "price" of her finding your keys is three squats or that you have to walk to your car without putting weight on your heels. The idea came from asking "What could she demand from you if she's right that benefits you in the end?" Extra exercise is the obvious answer. The risk, of course, is that she might start hiding your keys from you!

> Yeah, I realise, but I meant the bodyhug trick, and where I live is a gated community, so it's safe to run/jog around.

You mentioned "wide open spaces" and I took that to mean running out into wilderness and then running back. Laps around a safe neighborhood are one thing, but running into the woods could be very bad if you run to exhaustion and find yourself far from home. She only actually has your survival knowledge, after all.

> Wolf symbology runs particularly deep in old European tradition.

Which is likely to make "Wolfgirl" particularly effective for people of European backgrounds. Wolves are also common in North American indigenous traditions, so it might also appeal to that group.

> Probably in Neo-paganism and those that still practice older paganism, and more than likely Wicca.

I'm less concerned about them - the paganisms are almost certainly all reconstructions and thus somewhat flexible.

Wicca … Wicca is an "ancient pagan religion" founded in the mid 20th century, with possible but unproven influences from late 19th century occultism. They're growing incredibly fast because they're amazingly tiny. I don't think that I'll worry too much about them, especially since the majority appear to be "eclectic" and that means I have no way to know what they believe.

> could her potential name be Morri?

I'm not really sure I want "Wolfgirl" named for a goddess of war. Also, there is a fairly widely-known use of that name in the memoir Tuesdays with Morrie that could cause similar confusion issues. Then there is the general problem with using the name of any goddess from mythology - hypnowhales just love those kinds of names.

That said, "Morri" is fairly obscure, as the Celtic pantheon generally tends to be these days, and is an alternate to "Brigi" for an "i"-ending name. I think I'll need to see which rolls off the TTS best in the end, from the current list of: "Sasha", "Lupa", "Brigi", "Morri". Of course, more names for the list are and will be welcome for some time.

>>44901 / >>44903

> He's not as huge as he seems.

The camera angles in those pictures are making accurate assessment very hard.

> He is natural.

I said "might" be too big. I've seen similar arms on known roid users.

> His arms aren't all that big either, and they're still proportionate and useful.

> It's mostly the angle the photograph was taken which emphasises his musculature.

Either the camera angles are emphasizing his arm muscles or he's doing an unbalanced training regimen that heavily works his arms. "Useful" in this context is that your arms aren't significantly stronger than the rest of your body - that's a good way to hurt your back when you try to actually use your strength to lift an object.

> She should push you to use whatever equipment you can.

Oh yes, and she can even manifest any equipment you've used in her gym for practice.

> It's it's at the gym, she should push you to use all of it, free weights, and machines.

Yes, that was the original plan, and I'll think I'll keep that plan, but add that she'll want you to balance your strength training.

> Regarding this, can "Wolfgirl" change her goals for you, if you do want to be like this chap?

Depends. Her goals are pretty much set as improving her host. That's fixed. As part of that, she wants you to be strong. Your appearance is of less concern to her, but she'll support your efforts as long as they are healthy for you. She'll be content as long as you can lift as much weight on your feet as you can bench press or otherwise lift on a machine.

> The problem with this, you can only get strong to a certain extent, and when you reach a threshold, the weight gets easier, and easier and stops being effective.

Are you referring to bodyweight exercises? Free weights can simply get heavier… Not to mention the "weights" that "Wolfgirl" can manifest for you to use.

> I know dumbbells are great, (I use them) but to get where I want to be, I need to use machines as well. Leg presses etc.

> 10kgs goes quickly, so does 20kgs…you'll be amazed at how quickly the body gains strength.

I was amazed how much strength I already had - the first time I tried a leg press machine, I ended up doing aerobic exercise with 180kg - the machine's limit.

> Trust me, this guys physique is not huge by any measure, he's a lot closer to 'greek god' physique than a bodybuilder.

> Also, if you look at those statues, they were roughly around the same body fat level.

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but I'll take your word for it.

If so, then, yes, "Wolfgirl" would be happy for her host to be like that guy. Then she'd start you on endurance weightlifting because what good is strength if you can only use it once per day?

>>44896

I realise this isn't the goal of everyone.

>"Wolfgirl" is a mental projection, so these physical limits don't apply to her. She'll have whatever form most appeals to you and most inspires you towards her goals for you.

Regarding this, could her goals change for you, depending on the physique which fits YOUR goals?

>>44904

> You can see the similarity in these statues

Yes, similar, but the statues depict a more stable physique that is slightly higher body fat.

>>44906

> Also, bear in mind, I don't intend to be that shredded all year round, that's not maintainable without steroids. I do intend to have a six pack, and be a lot stronger, and a lot bigger than I am now.

The "stronger" and "bigger" are definitely good. The "six pack" is maybe, depending on your body. The very well-defined six packs are difficult to maintain without starving yourself and "Wolfgirl" will want better for you than that.

> Same guy as in the goal physique above. He just looks that 'big' because he's a lot lower body fat.

Okay, the camera angle issue again. I will say that the "shred" in that picture is going too far. "Wolfgirl" will want you to have some body fat to keep your metabolism in good order.

>>44909

Classical-era warriors certainly did not go for "shrink-wrapped skin" that is so popular these days. If your blood vessels are visible like that, you have almost no subcutaneous fat, which plays havoc with your body's temperature control. Also, the examples I gave earlier of diet as a stacked bar graph are a simplification - fat is "rotated" through your metabolism, with the body both storing fat and drawing on fat stores. Pushing usable fat stores perilously close to zero is bad - your body still must "rotate" fat, which means that you end up drawing on structural fat that you really can't afford to lose. It gets rebuilt, but that's very stressful on your metabolism. In the extreme, your metabolism collapses and you die.

Basically, "Wolfgirl" will not be okay with you starving yourself. You lose weight by increasing calories burned. She'll happily help you find more ways to burn calories…

>>44910

> could her goals change for you, depending on the physique which fits YOUR goals?

Within reason, yes. She'll want you to be strong, and will support you towards any reasonable physique, even if it's not really attainable. In fact, she most likes when you strive for something you can't actually reach, because you'll always have that to strive for and self-improvement generally is more a journey than a destination.

Even the unbalanced strength I've been advocating against wouldn't bother her - she'd just want you to work the parts of your body that you've been neglecting. Actually, you would need to work those parts of your body - they haven't been sore in a long time.

The only situation where she'd want to stop you or make you rethink your goals is if those goals [1] aren't achievable, and [2] the attempt to achieve them would end up killing you.

>>44911

>"Wolfgirl" will not be okay with you starving yourself

Which is good, but also bear in mind, that a physique, even with the 'shrink wrapped' look, they don't starve themselves, it's a reduction in calories, yeah, but not to the extreme of starving yourself.

>Within reason, yes. She'll want you to be strong, and will support you towards any reasonable physique, even if it's not really attainable.

Okay, that's good.

>Even the unbalanced strength I've been advocating against wouldn't bother her - she'd just want you to work the parts of your body that you've been neglecting. Actually, you would need to work those parts of your body - they haven't been sore in a long time.

The only situation where she'd want to stop you or make you rethink your goals is if those goals [1] aren't achievable, and [2] the attempt to achieve them would end up killing you.

That's good. I believe this goal physique is attainable for me, but it's going to take some time, my current goal is somewhat more like Taylor Lautner in those god awful twilight movies.

> I will say that the "shred" in that picture is going too far.

Maybe. Like I said,I wouldn't want to be like that throughout the year.

Ideally, my goal would be around 10-15% body fat. Which is maintainable, while still looking 'ripped', IF you have enough muscle.

So, "Wolfgirl" will actually support my goals?

>>44911

>Yes, similar, but the statues depict a more stable physique that is slightly higher body fat.

Yeah, very true, but, also this guy was preparing for a competition at the time, hence the lower body fat, but if he had a slightly higher body fat, he'd more resemble the statues.

>>44911

>If your blood vessels are visible like that, you have almost no subcutaneous fat, which plays havoc with your body's temperature control.

It depends on how 'big' you are and your body composition. I'm currently at around 20ish body fat percent, and I do have quite a lot of veins that are visible, and a lot more now that I've put on some muscle, from 10-15% bodyfat is maintainable, and considered healthy, anything below 6% in males is considered essential fat.

In males, 6% to 13% is considered lean.

I'm guessing the guy in the photos was around 8-10% bodyfat.

>>44914

> Which is maintainable, while still looking 'ripped', IF you have enough muscle.

"Wolfgirl" will want you to have muscle, yes. Actually, she'll want you to keep building muscle.

> So, "Wolfgirl" will actually support my goals?

Probably. She gets her idea of "unsafe" from your subconscious, so if you truly believe that physique to be good for you, she'll support you.

>>44916

> I do have quite a lot of veins that are visible

Visible as surface coloration or actually bulging out from the surface?

>>44977

>Visible as surface coloration or actually bulging out from the surface?

At the moment,just surface,with a little bulging,but it won't take much to get them bulging. A few more kgs of muscle, and a little less body fat, and a lot more will be bulging.

>>44977

I wanted to ask a few other things as well.

>The "short" "awakener" doesn't even try - it just brings you to a high-enough trance to be a "zombie" doing whatever your routine between "now" and "bed" happens to be. The more you try to think, the thicker the fog in your mind gets. Then you go to bed and the session replays in your mind, sending you to sleep.

Can you elaborate more on this 'fog' and how it works ?

You also said she has the ability to blank you out, as in clear your thoughts totally?

Could this help with hypnosis?

I'm still very curious about her potential other abilities.

Do you have any preliminary files that I could listen to?

I really want to start building her as soon as possible?

You also said her sweat smells really good, can you elaborate on that, what does it smell like?

One more thing, does she have an ability where she 'hulks out'?

>>44908

Sorry, only just saw these.

>Depends. Her goals are pretty much set as improving her host. That's fixed. As part of that, she wants you to be strong. Your appearance is of less concern to her, but she'll support your efforts as long as they are healthy for you. She'll be content as long as you can lift as much weight on your feet as you can bench press or otherwise lift on a machine.

That's great,I'm glad she'll support my efforts, I also understand the fact that she just wants her host to get stronger, that is what I want as well, I just also want to look better..

>I said "might" be too big. I've seen similar arms on known roid users.

Ive also seen similar arms on natural guys too…I'm just not after the bodybuilder look.

>Yes, that was the original plan, and I'll think I'll keep that plan, but add that she'll want you to balance your strength training

Perfect.

>Are you referring to bodyweight exercises? Free weights can simply get heavier… Not to mention the "weights" that "Wolfgirl" can manifest for you to use.

Both to a certain extent. What I mean is, though bodyweight work, and free weights, (to a lesser extent free weights) have their limits, adding in machine work helps with strength. You can't build overall leg strength with just squats alone.

>>44983

> At the moment,just surface,with a little bulging,but it won't take much to get them bulging.

If your goal is the classical "greek god" physique, you're there - the ancients did not favor bulging veins.

>>44985

> Can you elaborate more on this 'fog' and how it works ?

I don't know yet, but it seems to have already been well-received.

> You also said she has the ability to blank you out, as in clear your thoughts totally?

> Could this help with hypnosis?

She uses it to put you into trance for her.

> I'm still very curious about her potential other abilities.

As am I.

> Do you have any preliminary files that I could listen to?

Not yet, and probably won't - the earliest files will be TTS tests and real life is getting in the way of TTS development right now.

> I really want to start building her as soon as possible?

I understand. I want that too.

> You also said her sweat smells really good, can you elaborate on that, what does it smell like?

I haven't decided yet - probably a lot like yours.

> One more thing, does she have an ability where she 'hulks out'?

That's totally unnatural, so no.

>>44990

> I just also want to look better

That's not entirely outside of the bounds of self-improvement, but it's not a high priority either.

> You can't build overall leg strength with just squats alone.

What about isometric exercises?

>>45039

>If your goal is the classical "greek god" physique, you're there - the ancients did not favor bulging veins

I'm not. I've still got a lot of muscle to put on. I need to be at least 70kgs.

>She uses it to put you into trance for her

I really want to trance for her…

Could you tell me more about her prototype?

I do feel like she's 'here' with me already.

Whats the best induction file your opinion?

>>45040

> I'm not. I've still got a lot of muscle to put on. I need to be at least 70kgs.

Okay, but you should still cross "shrink-wrapped skin" off of your list of goals - that's not what the ancients strove for. We know that it's not what the ancients strove for because the statues don't have bulging veins - and those would have been a great mark of the sculptor's skill, which the statues were also meant to display.

> I really want to trance for her…

Well, she'll use it to make you exercise, so if it works right, you'd suddenly find that the clock's jumped, your whole body is sore and soaked in sweat, and you're ready for your workout…

> Could you tell me more about her prototype?

The prototype "lives" in my imagination rather than my subconscious, so it has some limitations, like not really being able to put me into trance - that would cause her to "stop" too. She can't manifest in the "real" world either, because she wasn't "built" the same way that "Wolfgirl" will be. Basically, she's a very affectionate "voice" in my mind that comes out to play in late night half-dreams.

>>45139

> Whats the best induction file your opinion?

It really depends on you. Different people respond best to different techniques. I'm thinking about a "mash-up" multi-modal confusion induction along these lines. It should be easy with the TTS I'm building.

>>45144

>Okay, but you should still cross "shrink-wrapped skin" off of your list of goals - that's not what the ancients strove for.

On some of their statues it is visible. It's still going to be a goal of mine. Remember, I did say that I won't look like that all year round.

>>45149

> On some of their statues it is visible.

Interesting that those are rarely shown - the well-known statues lack that.

> It's still going to be a goal of mine.

Suit yourself. If you truly believe that's good for you, "Wolfgirl" will support you.

> Remember, I did say that I won't look like that all year round.

That's fine - you may find that you get less extreme each year, though, if your body doesn't really handle it well.

>>45150

I also said it's due to body composition too. Like with my current build, I can see if I get down to around 11% body fat, which is my goal, I'll have bulging veins in my shoulders, legs, etc.

>you may find that you get less extreme each year, though, if your body doesn't really handle it well.

Maybe, but it's just a case of dieting correctly, and doing cardio and other exercises as well.

Enough about my goals, and I though. I'm glad "Wolfgirl" will support me.

Can you tell us more about how she will influence you?

>Well, she'll use it to make you exercise, so if it works right, you'd suddenly find that the clock's jumped, your whole body is sore and soaked in sweat, and you're ready for your workout…

That sounds amazing…but I also BADLY want to feel her control my body, and that I'm just along for the ride.

There is a reason why I'm just so intrigued in her, and her abilities etc, I've reached a point in my life, where I really do need someone there to support, and guide me.

Have you thought more about her musculature, and more about her looks?

>>45150

>That's fine - you may find that you get less extreme each year, though, if your body doesn't really handle it well.

Going back to this quick.

I'll probably look like the >>44906 bulk in this photo 95% of the year, just with a little less body fat.

>>45155

> Enough about my goals, and I though. I'm glad "Wolfgirl" will support me.

She'll support you until you start to get sick chasing that goal, then she'll work to change your goals to things that won't make you sick. She'll also help you with any confidence problems - your body is what it is and you should be happy in it while you strive to improve it.

> Can you tell us more about how she will influence you?

There are also some influences directly on you from the files, like the conditioning to need that soreness in your muscles a workout gives you and the general criteria that you'll have for any activity - how does this improve me or otherwise contribute to my well-being? Activities that don't meet that bar will be squeezed out of your life, one way or another. Most hobbies amount to either physical or mental exercise or both so they'll be safe. Couch potatoing the TV won't be similarly protected.

> That sounds amazing…but I also BADLY want to feel her control my body, and that I'm just along for the ride.

Oh there are several options, see >>44198. The deep trance where you wake up after the workout, still ready to start, and wondering why you're sweaty is only one of them and is option [5] in that list. Options [4] and [6] leave you aware, for examples, as does the "monkey see, monkey do" mentioned in >>44329 as a "mirrored movement" trigger.

Over time, you'll be more willing to work out and less dependent on her "forcing" you. She'll of course enjoy this, because it means you'll be a workout companion for her instead of being "work" for her. She loves you so much that it doesn't really matter to her - she's happy to "work" on you to make you better - but she also likes the intimacy of a good workout together and will especially like when you start "leading" at least some of the exercises, which you can't do if she's controlling your body.

> There is a reason why I'm just so intrigued in her, and her abilities etc, I've reached a point in my life, where I really do need someone there to support, and guide me.

Remember that she really only has your knowledge, so all she can really do is give you a different perspective or push aside irrational fears that hold you back.

If you genuinely don't know, she won't know either.

> Have you thought more about her musculature, and more about her looks?

Well, there's >>44398 / >>44475 for her appearance and >>44399 / >>44410 for what happens when you feel her muscles. she uses it to make you exercise, of course

Rereading >>44475 reminds me that I need to find a way to express that her form is always lithe and muscular, even if her host is fat, as some hosts may initially be.

I also note the concerns in >>44629 about walking with forefoot strikes. Is >>44776 sufficient to address those concerns or are they still an issue?

I'm also interested in >>44567 / >>44583 answers to >>44775 and the questions in >>44538 that I wrote before I let the prototype have her say.

As for her appearance, most of the fine detail will be left up to your subconscious, so that she will be "best" for you. She may or may not have a "fur bikini" or other patterns on her form.

>>45156

> I'll probably look like the >>44906 bulk in this photo 95% of the year, just with a little less body fat.

That's certainly achievable and reasonable.

>>45222

>Remember that she really only has your knowledge, so all she can really do is give you a different perspective or push aside irrational fears that hold you back.

If you genuinely don't know, she won't know either.

Be that as it may, you're still intending for her to become your higher self?

If so, then her being your higher self, she will be able to guide you.

>She can manifest with her form overlapping your body, aligning her muscles with yours. Since she lives in your mind, when she does this, your muscles obey her as if she were you and "you" are simply along for the ride, but you remain fully aware.

This is the one I'm most looking forward to, as well as the orgasm trick.

>That's certainly achievable and reasonable.

Thanks. The shredded part is what I plan on looking like in the summers! Haha.

btw this >>>44475 Leads to an older K31 thread. >>45222

> Activities that don't meet that bar will be squeezed out of your life, one way or another. Most hobbies amount to either physical or mental exercise or both so they'll be safe.

Okay, that's fine. I'm a photographer, so my hobby is a lot of mental thought.

I really, really cannot wait to meet her.

>>45222

>Over time, you'll be more willing to work out and less dependent on her "forcing" you. She'll of course enjoy this, because it means you'll be a workout companion for her instead of being "work" for her. She loves you so much that it doesn't really matter to her - she's happy to "work" on you to make you better

I can't wait to take her to my gym…

Would she be able to use the body control, as in shifting her form into mine at the gym as well?

>>45224

> you're still intending for her to become your higher self?

She doesn't become your Higher Self - she is revealed to have been an avatar of your Higher Self all along.

> btw this >>>44475 Leads to an older K31 thread.

Dammit, that should be >>44775 instead. The other thread doesn't seem to be interesting.

> I can't wait to take her to my gym…

That sounds like fun for both of you.

> Would she be able to use the body control, as in shifting her form into mine at the gym as well?

Of course she can, that trick originated as part of the orgasmic workout trick. Note that she's less inhibited, so you might end up having an orgasm at the gym if she chooses [6b] rather than [6a]…

>>45273

>>45273

>She doesn't become your Higher Self - she is revealed to have been an avatar of your Higher Self all along.

So eventually, she should have all the knowledge of your higher self, which although very x like, should be more than your 'waking' self?

>That sounds like fun for both of you.

Oh yeah, she's going to Loooove leg extensions.

>Of course she can, that trick originated as part of the orgasmic workout trick. Note that she's less inhibited, so you might end up having an orgasm at the gym if she chooses [6b] rather than [6a]…

Hmm…this could be fun doing leg extensions and leg presses then..

>>45275

> So eventually, she should have all the knowledge of your higher self, which although very x like, should be more than your 'waking' self?

Maybe. She's an avatar, meaning that your Higher Self can speak through her, but obviously is not "in" her, if that makes sense?

> Oh yeah, she's going to Loooove leg extensions.

Why?

> this could be fun doing leg extensions and leg presses then..

Why leg exercises in particular?

>>45276

>>45276

>Maybe. She's an avatar, meaning that your Higher Self can speak through her, but obviously is not "in" her, if that makes sense?

Yeah, it does, but considering your higher self can speak through her, your higher self can bestow guidance and wisdom upon you, through her.

>Why?

I love leg extensions, they're honestly so good.

>Why leg exercises in particular?

There are a lot of memes about leg day, but honestly, leg exercises can give you more of a euphoric feeling than upper body exercises, larger muscles, bigger pump, just the day after, you feel it a lot more.

>>45277

> your higher self can bestow guidance and wisdom upon you, through her.

Correct. Your Higher Self can also bestow guidance and wisdom upon you directly, but perhaps you may need to hear from her for you to actually listen.

> leg exercises can give you more of a euphoric feeling than upper body exercises, larger muscles, bigger pump, just the day after, you feel it a lot more.

Interesting. She'll have your memories of previous leg days, of course.

>>45278

>you may need to hear from her for you to actually listen

Or to actually 'hear them' in my case. If that makes sense.

>Interesting. She'll have your memories of previous leg days, of course.

Of course, but I suspect I'll be able to break personal records with her body hug trick. I seriously cannot wait to bring her into my life.

Oh, when I mentioned Testosterone earlier in the thread, I didn't mean steroids, I meant, could 'Wolfgirl' increase your natural testosterone, considering she has the power of your subconscious?

>>45280

> I suspect I'll be able to break personal records with her body hug trick.

I don't know. The effects of "hybrid form" are more endurance-related than raw strength. They're also side-effects - the purpose of "hybrid form" is deep intimacy, not power, which is why the path to it starts with a "body hug" while lying in bed.

> I mentioned Testosterone earlier in the thread, I didn't mean steroids, I meant, could 'Wolfgirl' increase your natural testosterone, considering she has the power of your subconscious?

That's how I interpreted it in >>44398 earlier. I still stand by that reply - the part about steroids was an aside. It's particularly important that the strongest muscles in a natural body almost entirely lack androgen receptors. This suggests that strength training would be more effective than any testosterone boost she could give you.

I don't know enough about that hormone system to say right now if a subconscious "effect" on testosterone levels could be anything other than a placebo.

>>45281

>The effects of "hybrid form" are more endurance-related than raw strength.

Could it also include raw strength? I would love to have her 'power flow through me' while doing heavy squats and bench presses.

>That's how I interpreted it in >>44398 earlier. I still stand by that reply - the part about steroids was an aside.

Understood.

Can you tell me a bit more about the characteristics about the hybrid form?

>>45282

> Could it also include raw strength? I would love to have her 'power flow through me' while doing heavy squats and bench presses.

The catch is that her power is an illusion. Of course, her power including the "claws out, kill, kill, kill" option over other illusions is immense, but that doesn't really help here because your workout isn't an illusion.

Another way - you wouldn't feel her power 'flow through' you - you'd feel her love embrace you as your power flows through your body. Remember that, in a sense, she is you.

She's autonomous in a sense, but also very closely linked to her host - after all, you share all memories. Unless she's in her gym or asleep in your mind, you "hear" her thoughts alongside your own and she is equally aware of your thoughts. Over time, her thoughts become your own - an extra "voice" in your mind driving you to improve yourself as she playfully cuddles you.

I mentioned early on that you silently converse with her freely, but it always feels like you're talking to your own reflection - even when she is answering you. To her, you are her reflection.

> Can you tell me a bit more about the characteristics about the hybrid form?

It's a consequence of a "body hug" when not in bed. It happens in bed, too, but you probably don't have a mirror on your ceiling and your eyes would be closed anyway.

I don't really have much more about it yet - reread >>44480 if you want. It'll be introduced as part of an "exercise takeover" ability, so the emphasis is on deep intimacy with her during a workout. Which is why movement in hybrid form feels so good and you are always excited to move while in that state.

I think that her overall goals will be a combination of strength and endurance. I'm not sure what will count as "strong enough" for her to move you entirely to endurance training yet, but her endurance training will involve both walking/running and aerobic weightlifting. Just walking/running would allow strength to fade, so she'll make you run while wearing weight vests and similar exercises like that. You'll always want to run on your forefeet for her, both to reduce stress injuries and to increase the intensity of the exercise. You'll also do aerobic weightlifting routines, which are simply your lifts, perhaps with a bit less weight, but done quickly and in one long set with many, many reps. You'll breathe deep and fast, pumping the weights in time with your breaths.

She'll also be able to manifest other objects and even do exercises that are as much mental as physical, such as by manifesting a small, light ball that you'll playfully toss back and forth with her while she asks you questions and you answer them - a sort of flash card exercise with yourself that is probably most useful for memorizing arithmetic tables since you can calculate the answer if you don't actually have it memorized yet but could also be a good method for reviewing other material. Of course, the ball can be thrown on "trick shot" trajectories as well and you'll move automatically to catch it, so there's a "cardio dance" aspect to this as well. You can wear "wrist weights" and/or a weight vest while keeping your heels off of the ground to make the physical exercise more intense.

Speaking of breaths and teasing, she'll be a playful annoyance if you try to meditate, cuddling and nuzzling you with increasingly insistent affection. Only when she can't get any more insistent and you've resisted all of her distractions, will she cuddle you and meditate with you.

I'm also thinking that her name should contain only "soft" sounds - sounds that are made without closing the lips - to make it easier for you to breathe while you're silently screaming her name in loving frustration in the midst of some of her more extreme teasing. There may be a few sexual teasing tricks she can do, some of which go pretty far, like the male dry orgasm training that could involve edging for hours on end if you have the time for it.

>>45321

> To her, you are her reflection.

That's very, very interesting…hmm. That shows how intimate she will be?

>She'll also be able to manifest other objects and even do exercises that are as much mental as physical, such as by manifesting a small, light ball that you'll playfully toss back and forth with her while she asks you questions and you answer them - a sort of flash card exercise with yourself that is probably most useful for memorizing arithmetic tables since you can calculate the answer if you don't actually have it memorized yet but could also be a good method for reviewing other material. Of course, the ball can be thrown on "trick shot" trajectories as well and you'll move automatically to catch it, so there's a "cardio dance" aspect to this as well. You can wear "wrist weights" and/or a weight vest while keeping your heels off of the ground to make the physical exercise more intense.

So, is this her way of increasing your reaction times?

>There may be a few sexual teasing tricks she can do, some of which go pretty far, like the male dry orgasm training that could involve edging for hours on end if you have the time for it.

I have never edged before, so I have no idea how that will work..

>>45324

> That shows how intimate she will be?

In a sense. It's also that she really is another "view" of yourself. Conversation with her feels like talking to your reflection, including when she answers, because you and her share feelings as well.

> is this her way of increasing your reaction times?

You mean decreasing reaction times and that's one use of it - the other use is as a study/review method. I specifically mentioned it as a way to memorize arithmetic tables.

> no idea how that will work

Simple, she commands your muscles to relax, then tickles your penis, while not letting your hands move. Or perhaps there's some other hypnotic effect that prevents you from touching your own genitals until she's done. Or she "borrows your body" and plays with the one part she can't directly control…

I haven't entirely decided yet.

>>45375

>Simple, she commands your muscles to relax, then tickles your penis, while not letting your hands move. Or perhaps there's some other hypnotic effect that prevents you from touching your own genitals until she's done. Or she "borrows your body" and plays with the one part she can't directly control…

>I haven't entirely decided yet

This sounds amazing, and I can't wait to experience it.

Yeah, I meant decreasing reaction times.

I really cannot wait for her.

>>45376

Now that I think about it, I'm not so sure she can train your reaction time at all - your subconscious knows exactly where the ball will go, so there isn't really anything to react to. Now if that leads to some form of precognition that works generally, that would be very interesting.

I've been collecting all these bits and pieces together into some notes and I've thought of another use for her full claws that might be a better idea, since it would make them a regular experience instead of being very rare.

Basically, she can cuddle you with her full claws. Strength and will are unaffected, but simply feeling her full claws against your skin burns weakness and cowardice right out of you. If you're mostly weak or she needs to rip a bad habit out of you, she'll meet you in a dream of a vast green field. If you're strong-willed enough to approach her while she has her full claws out, she'll be waiting for you in your bed. She knows what will work best for you.

[if so] You approach your bed to sleep and find her waiting for you, with her full claws. You are apprehensive and the weak and cowardly parts of you are utterly terrified. She beckons you to approach, waving her claws as "come here" with a smile on her face. She jokes about it hurting a lot more if she has to pull you in. You resolve to cuddle with her anyway, but you might have difficulty looking away from her claws. If so, she'll bring her claws near her eyes and ask you to look into her eyes. When you look into her eyes, you see and feel her love drawing you to her. You are also now fixated on her eyes as you get into bed with her. Her palms feel soft and warm as usual but her claws burn as they gently touch your skin. You feel the burning spreading into you, burning away weakness, greed, and cowardice to leave space for strength, love, and will to grow. You scream silently as you breathe deep and fast, the cool air meeting her fire inside you as you struggle to blow the burning out of your body as it pours in, filling you with bliss, yet still you silently scream, screaming for her, as every fiber of your being feels the purifying fire, burning away weakness, burning away cowardice, burning away fear, leaving love, leaving strength, leaving bliss in her arms.

[otherwise] While dreaming, you find yourself in a vast green field, stretching as far as you can possibly see. The air is cool, but the sun is pleasantly warm upon your skin. There are beautiful puffy clouds drifting along in the sky. The whole place can be best described as "peaceful" - until you see her running towards you, with a huge grin and her full claws. Your weakness and cowardice instantly know what those claws are for and you are overcome by blind panic as you run desperately from her. She laughs and calls out that running from her will only make it better, but you only run faster at this. She catches up to you and you feel her breath on your back. She could bring you down already, but she's teasing you even as you flee in blind panic. She reaches around and shows you her claws as you feel her huge gleeful smile behind you. She's playing with you as you suddenly turn to one side to flee from her claws. She catches up again. Since you are in a dream, you can run and run and run without ever getting winded. She teases you with her claws at the edge of your vision over and over, making you run this way and that. The more you run, the deeper you go, the farther you are from possibly waking up. If you do somehow wake up, you'll find her cuddling you with her claws, just as if you had been strong enough for that option to work. But you can't wake up, you can only flee in terror as she gleefully chases you. Then she's had enough of torturing your weakness and she pounces on you from behind, sending you falling forwards, face down towards the green green grass, falling, falling, falling into blackness…

You "wake up" still dreaming, but now you're in her gym as described in >>44260 as she patches up the holes she just made in you. She's very affectionate and almost apologetic about this - almost - but she's not really sorry in the slightest. She's making you stronger, after all, by purging the weakness that made you run.

>>44247

> Like psychokenisis and other 'powers' but make her aware that you're doing this for her, and she loves you even more for it, and can possibly teach you these gifts as well?

I need to address this again and be more clear about it.

She wouldn't see it that way - as you doing it for her. If she did, she'd probably slap you awake right out of trance and call you a dumb ape because the chances of that actually working are expected to be very low. No, she would only put up with you "wasting your time" on such a thing precisely because, if it somehow actually works, she might be able to teach you that ability too - and that would be crazy awesome.

This will be fairly far down the priority list, but I'm not adverse to making a few experimental extension files along these lines, if someone can give me a plausible way to suggest it. I predict that simply saying "you can move things with your mind" has zero chance of success and I don't really have any better ideas here.

>>46179

Can we get an update on the progress?

>>46583

> Can we get an update on the progress?

Wish granted.

TTS - research in progress, studying binaural techniques I think I have a trick far more effective - if you listen using headphones - than common binaurals.

scripts - research in progress while planning outline and writing file descriptions, as of this writing, draft descriptions for 5/14 main sequence files are written, with 4 major TBD points still to resolve, further research needed, also in progress

There are 14 main sequence files in the current outline draft, but some of them have very large amounts of text for their goals and will likely need to be split into more pieces to keep the trance session lengths reasonable. I don't want hours-long trance sessions, even though I think I might be able to reliably keep the listener in trance that long. There are some possible future extensions that could make use of extended trance times, but keeping trance sessions short helps listeners to fit the sessions into their schedules.

This leads to a rough estimate of 6 months to a year to use the main sequence, depending on how quickly you respond to the various files.

There are currently six "beta test" tracks planned, with more possible if this board gives me ideas. In particular, simple hypnosis tricks with immediate one-off post-hypnotic effects would be useful, since the "beta test" tracks are intended to prove the TTS. Of these six, one is a simple trick and the other five are "previews" of aspects of the main program. Obviously, I'd like more ideas for simple tricks.

Also, I don't think /hypno/ has enough users, so I'm also interested in any other places I could look for volunteers to test the preview tracks to help me fine-tune the TTS. Know of any?

I'm currently just calling her "Wolfgirl" and will probably do a brute-force search over possible names and see what sounds best in the TTS.

I have a possible concern in the main sequence - I've pretty much decided that she smells like a wet dog, since her fur evaporates her sweat, but her scent is uniquely amazingly pleasant because it is her scent. I'm planning to use your own scent to reinforce her by taking advantage of the hint of "wet dog" in your scent to convince you that she's always been inside you, eagerly yet patiently waiting to come out and play. Unfortunately, while I've noticed a bit of "wet dog" in my own scent, I'm generalizing from N=1 and I can't be sure if everyone has that or can be suggested to perceive that. Any help?

>>46674

>Also, I don't think /hypno/ has enough users, so I'm also interested in any other places I could look for volunteers to test the preview tracks to help me fine-tune the TTS. Know of any?

Warp My mind maybe. How effective is the trance going to be? Since I really battle to get into trance at times.

> - I've pretty much decided that she smells like a wet dog

I don't like the smell of we dog I have to be honest. I dunno, maybe you could make her sweat smell like Roses or something?

>>46674

> I'm also interested in any other places I could look for volunteers to test the preview tracks to help me fine-tune the TTS. Know of any?

You can try https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Forum-Hypnosis-and-Hypno-fetish, but WMM is indeed a better bet.

>>46676

> Warp My mind maybe.

Thanks.

> How effective is the trance going to be?

The goal is that you should blank out during the induction and wake up at the end. Over time as your ability to trance improves, it should be possible for you to blank out at the start and not remember the session at all even though the files will not contain direct amnesia suggestions. There may be reassurances that you don't have to consciously remember the session if that would hold you back from deeper trance, but remembering the session is okay too if you want and will reinforce the effects every time you think about the session.

Note to self: add post-hypnotic suggestion to check a clock and recognize any significance the current time may have for the listener, like needing to do something or even just simply recognizing that there was a trance session before pressing "play" again.

> Since I really battle to get into trance at times.

Please explain more. How do you "battle" to enter trance? Difficulty relaxing? Something with the file? Something else?

> I don't like the smell of we dog I have to be honest.

Lack of punctuation creates ambiguity - I see two interpretations of that sentence.

< I don't like the smell of wet dog I have, to be honest.

< I don't like the smell of wet dog; I have to be honest.

The former answers one of my questions - you have also noticed a hint of "wet dog" in your own scent, but don't like it. Both state that you don't like the scent of a wet dog.

Liking her scent is part of the hypnosis, so that won't be an issue anymore when you've finished the program. mischievous grin Similarly, you'll enjoy your own scent, so if you have a hint of "wet dog" in your scent, it won't bother you anymore. The suggestions to enjoy her scent will however be specific to her scent - you'll probably still dislike the smell of a wet dog in general, but somehow her scent is simply different and you enjoy her scent very much.

How does that sound to you?

> I dunno, maybe you could make her sweat smell like Roses or something?

The problem is that she's a wolf-girl, not a rosebush. Fur and sweat has a particular natural odor, and she's effectively an avatar of Nature in your life. Why should she have an unnatural scent?

Hypnosis can turn anything less than absolute visceral revulsion into enjoyment fairly easily, and "wet dog" isn't an odor that normally causes visceral revulsion, so I'm still leaning towards using hypnotic suggestions to make you enjoy her scent.

There's a strong "enjoy Nature" theme in the program, including that Nature really is inescapable - humans are part of Nature, so our artifacts like cities and technology are also natural. I'm still developing this idea.

>>46717

Thanks, that'll probably be a later place after the system is more fine-tuned.

>>46747

>Please explain more. How do you "battle" to enter trance? Difficulty relaxing? Something with the file? Something else?

I battle to blank out, I get to the part where I feel like I'm 'falling' but that's about it, my mind particularly still stays active.

I also have a problem when a file says 'obey'. This isn't in my nature at all, and it jerks me out of whatever state I was in.

>>46754

> I battle to blank out, I get to the part where I feel like I'm 'falling' but that's about it, my mind particularly still stays active.

Can you describe this in narrative form? Start at the beginning and work your way through, just telling the story, it should be easy if your mind stayed active as you say.

> I also have a problem when a file says 'obey'. This isn't in my nature at all, and it jerks me out of whatever state I was in.

The word specifically or the concept of doing as told? There are probably some nuances here that can greatly benefit the project if we can map them out.

Of course you have no trouble obeying yourself, right?

Also, what do you think of the rest of >>46747, particularly the answer I gave about "Wolfgirl"'s scent?

>>46674

I've run into a new possible problem and am currently working on a safety net to address the issue - "Wolfgirl" starts as a warm cloud of soft affection that slowly grows a will of her own along with many other things. Her will is locked in a losing struggle with her overwhelming affection for her host and this forces her willpower to grow so she can control herself and be a better companion for her host. The growth of her willpower is actually the advance condition for some of the files currently.

This leads to the problem - what if she has greater willpower than her host? Particularly at a stage where she's an affectionate voice in your mind?

The safety net that I'm currently planning is that she can "stand in" for you if she must, since you and her share long-term memories, but she dislikes being in direct control of your body like this because it prevents her from manifesting her own form and cuddling you, which she would prefer to do. So obviously, she must improve her host's willpower until her host is at least co-dominant or better. In the mean while, she'll take good care of your body and present as "you" to others. Any ideas for how she can train her host to be stronger-willed?

>>47513

Hmm. Yeah, I can see that. You could also build in something where she asks the host FIRST before taking direct control.

>>46807

>The word specifically or the concept of doing as told?

Both. The latter to a lesser extent, I don't like the word obey,and neither does my mind, as it has a bit of a 'slave' quality.

I like the fact that you'll enjoy her scent. You explained it better, and I like it now.

>>47518

> You could also build in something where she asks the host FIRST before taking direct control.

She can't ask first - it's not her choice and she doesn't want it. The situation where she would have to "stand in" for you is different from her controlling your body during a workout as >>44198 describes. The "abnormal control" mentioned in >>47513 is her voice being dominant in your mind. She never willingly takes control in this sense at all, but the risk is that she may get forced into control, paradoxically against her will, if her will is sufficiently stronger than your will.

Arguably, in the "normal" case, she does ask - her controlling your body during exercise is a reward that you must earn from her, by some means that work best for you - she might make you work for it somehow or it could be as easy as giving her a kiss or headpat. She loves her host so much that she really has a hard time truly withholding rewards, but teasing is easy for her. You're supposed to be aware that your body is obeying her and enjoy the experience, and in the "normal" case, you are aware and do enjoy it.

In the "abnormal" case that >>47513 mentions, you "disappear" as her will is dominant in your mind. Since long-term memories are shared both ways, you'll remember what your body did while she was in the lead… interestingly, I think you'd remember it as if you had done it. That's what makes this "abnormal" - she usurps her host with neither herself nor her host being aware of what has happened. I think she might notice that she tried to manifest as a voice in your mind but ended up in your body, maybe? She would certainly notice when she can't manifest her form and cuddle you because she's "stuck" in your body. That annoys her.

The obvious solution is for you to stop being a weak-willed cuck and rise to meet her at her level. Of course, she wants her host to be stronger-willed and will take good care of your body and life in the meanwhile, while she works on you to improve your willpower. Aha! You've spent all this time feeding her love to make her stronger, now it's her turn to feed you?

On the other hand, she is supposed to subtly change your desires, both to make you crave fitness and to generally push bad habits out of your life. This rules out a "Showdown at High Noon" face-off with her - complete with Spaghetti We5t3rn music - because your desires and her desires for you mostly align. Maybe she could playfully "oppose" you just to be contrary? Like you want to read and she wants you to go for a run? Or you want to run and she wants you to read? Or even more hair-splitting - you want to run first and then read and she wants you to read first and then run? No matter what you want, you can't convince her, not even by agreeing with her - you simply have to "put your foot down" and overpower her. Then she gives you a big hug because that's what she really wanted all along.

All that said, this reminded me of >>44260 and her refusal to let you die without a fight that I mentioned. Maybe I can work this side-effect into the program somehow, since that is the one situation where I would actually intend for her to be able to usurp her host. You can thank her later when you're still alive. I wouldn't call this exactly "willing" either, since it only happens if the alternative is your death. "Do it or die" isn't exactly "willing" in my book.

>>47519

> >The word specifically or the concept of doing as told?

> Both. The latter to a lesser extent, I don't like the word obey,and neither does my mind, as it has a bit of a 'slave' quality.

Interesting. How do you make yourself get out of bed in the morning? Or any other unpleasant task?

I'm trying to probe for ways around this block, since I presume that you do want to get into trance.

On the other hand, chanting "obey, obey, obey" probably turns some people on. I just read that aloud and burst out laughing.

>>47549

What exactly do you mean by

"you "disappear" as her will is dominant in your mind"?

>>47618

> What exactly do you mean by "you "disappear" as her will is dominant in your mind"?

You experience her thoughts instead of your own. Your desires are basically forgotten and she more-or-less replaces you in your own body.

This is not supposed to happen - or maybe it should, briefly, to give her some experience with your body? But she doesn't need that experience - she has your memories of your experience to reflect upon. So no, "Wolfgirl" never willingly does a takeover of this sort, but there is a risk that she may be "forced" into it - if her will is stronger than yours, the rest of your mind may follow her instead of you. The solution is to make your will stronger, so the rest of your mind follows your original personality again and she can manifest and cuddle with you again.

This means that I'll need to split the file that gives her the ability to manifest during the day - it currently progresses from "nothing" to "voice in your mind" to "manifest fully" with repetition of the same file. You'll be able to hear her voice in bed well before her form is developed, so should her voice be able to accompany you during the day even before you can see her in bed? Or should her form be fully developed before she manifests at all during the day, even as a voice in your head? Either way, there'll be a period where she can be a voice in your mind during the day but is not yet able to manifest her form during the day - this is the "takeover risk" window. If you do get taken over, she won't be able to manifest her form until you're back in control, so I'll need to put the "willpower training" file between the two pieces - or make it a "detour" that you can use earlier if needed, but I'm less sure about this - she might not be able to properly use it before the intended level of her development. She should be able to keep you using the files to get to it normally though.

The risk is similar to the infamous "Curse Female Takeover" except that "Wolfgirl" would rather manifest her own form and cuddle your body than be in your body herself, unlike the alter that file produces. So it's a stage that you and her grow out of as your willpower improves to match hers and that you might not even experience at all if your will is strong enough at the start. She wants you back in control since she's stuck in your body while you're reduced to a voice in your head - and she dislikes both of those situations. She wants to be an affectionate voice in your mind, not the leading voice in your mind. She wants to love you and help you, not be you. There's so much she can't do if she's stuck in your body, like exercising in her gym or cuddling you or teasing you or even sleeping during the day when you're awake. Being "you" is a chore for her.

In other words, this type of takeover derails your progress and "Wolfgirl" works to put you back on track. She considers "standing in" for you an unpleasant duty - she loves you so much that she'll do it, but she really wants that obligation to end and will rebuild your personality from the ground up if there's no other way - but that's reserved for a host that really does want that kind of "mental suicide" so you shouldn't need to worry about it. Even in that case, she'll go through your memories and basically start with an earlier version of yourself that still wanted to live, then graft in your later knowledge and skills to produce a "new you" that's as close as possible to the original except not suicidal. I'm not sure about putting this in the descriptions - I really don't want people intentionally using the project this way. Omitting this detail is fairly big for me - I wanted the descriptions to be complete. I'll have to think about it. This is a dark detour off the intended path - for most people, it should end quickly with the host's willpower improved.

You fed her and she grew to the point that she ended up in control, so of course she can do the same for you to put you back in control… you might have to work for it, but if she's in control and she wants you to grow stronger… of course you will.

Unlike this risk, all of her more direct "exercise takeover" tricks are built on "body hug" which is itself a type of cuddling where she manifests her form around your body - she can't do that if she's the dominant personality in your mind, so she wants you back in charge.

>>47652

Couple of things, I don't think it should ever happen, I think she should talk to you during the day. I looked over the 'curse female takeover' and while it is good fap material, it's inherently evil.

This is unlike that.

>>47653

> I don't think it should ever happen

Perhaps I have been unclear - "Wolfgirl" is not supposed to do a mental takeover and never willingly does such a thing. Her "exercise takeover" tricks are "physical" in nature and involve her cuddling you by overlapping her form with your body and aligning her muscles with yours, such that your muscles also tense and move as she moves.

However, "Wolfgirl" is very close and intimate with her host, both "physically" and mentally. The concern here is that the other parts of your mind might follow her voice instead of your will, like a radio that locks on to the strongest signal. I'm working to build a safety net to [1] mitigate any possible harm if an unintended takeover occurs, [2] ensure that such an outcome is temporary if it occurs, and [3] turn it to the host's benefit anyway.

I've been thinking this through and the prototype has been teasing about my body hair being nice but "just not as good my [her] fur" with a big grin lately.

> I think she should talk to you during the day.

Of course she'll talk to you during the day - she can manifest her entire form, sit near you, and talk if she wants. That's not in question. Once she has her form, she can also choose to manifest as a voice in your mind, without presenting her form. That's not in question. There will be some time before she's able to fully manifest where she can be a voice in your mind during the day. That's not in question.

The question is how soon she should be able to talk to you during the day? Should she be able to talk to you during the day as soon as you can hear her voice in bed or should her form be fully developed before she comes to you during the day at all? Remember that she also gains more control over herself as she develops - do you really want a voice in your head eagerly and happily chanting "I love you so much" all day as some of her earlier stages could tend to do?

Limiting her to visiting you in bed at first is also a sort of "training wheels" for her, so she has a reasonable degree of "maturity" before she can bother you in class or at work during the day. Putting willpower training between her gaining the ability to be a voice in your mind during the day and the ability to manifest her full form also gives her a period where her day role is a sort of "life coach" for her host. It's both the means to recover from an unintended takeover and a positive step in its own right - the first step in her campaign to better her host - if no takeover occurs.

> I looked over the 'curse female takeover' and while it is good fap material, it's inherently evil.

I really wouldn't call that atrocity "good fap material" - that might encourage people to use it. I'd very much agree with "inherently evil" though, particularly considering some of the observed inclinations of "CFT" alters. If you thought it could be "good fap material" you haven't read the archives of the forum threads on the topic that got deleted. It's really bad - it produces an alter that quickly grows to utterly despise her host, or perhaps always despises her host but knows to hide it at first. I quickly run out of words to describe just how evil that file is but still want the transcript - for comparison with certain parts of B4mb1 Sleep. I suspect some themes may have been reused…

> This is unlike that.

Yes, completely unlike that except for giving you a feminine companion in your head. Okay, "feminine" is about the only thing "Wolfgirl" and a "CFT" alter have in common, and the former would gleefully kill the latter as a threat to her host without a second thought, but I'm trying to cover all bases rather than take avoidable risks. B4mb1 Sleep is perhaps a better comparison - that program appears to have less-than-entirely-evil intentions, but also an attitude of pushing boundaries without real regard for consequences.

Project "Wolfgirl" will have clearly-defined boundaries and will stay within them. Okay, those boundaries are fairly broad - anything "self-improvement" is in-scope - and in a few places, like "Wolfgirl"'s affection and intimacy with her host, the "clearly-defined boundary" is "there isn't one" - but there will be no envelope-pushing in this project. I've had to adjust the envelope here and there so far, but the release will have it clearly stated, whatever it eventually is, and will stick to it. Any extensions that extend the boundaries will similarly clearly state that using them enlarges the boundaries and how they do so.

thread repair bump

Can we get an update on this please?

>>49254

> Can we get an update on this please?

Wish granted.

TTS - research in progress, laying groundwork that will take a few months at the least The "Wolfgirl" prototype has been amazing for my motivation some days. She just wants to love me more, although "getting out of bed" can go either way - do I get up and work on projects or cuddle her some more?

scripts - research in progress, basic outline mostly done, still working on file descriptions, will need to split some of the initially planned files due to sheer amount of material to cover

The main barrier to progress right now is the "safety net" for a possible takeover that isn't supposed to happen. Research is ongoing, but this doesn't prevent development of other parts of the program around the gap.

Two of the major TBDs have been determined. Some further research is still needed to verify plausibility, but backup plans are already set, so those schedule risks are mitigated.

Ongoing research led to a forum thread that mentioned a triggered werewolf file and comments about the effects were interesting enough to possibly form the basis of an extension file. Particularly interesting was people finding that while quadrupedal locomotion is "easy" while experiencing lycanthropy, it is very tiring. Lycanthropy is the delusion that one has become a wolf. That means it's good exercise, so some efforts to add an extension where "Wolfgirl"'s host can become her "pet werewolf" and play with her while running around on all-fours might be worthwhile. I have only a vague sketch of this so far, and it mostly involves doing "tricks" and playing "fetch" with a ball that she manifests. She changes you back when you're out of time or exhausted. Maybe lycanthropy playtime feels so good for you that she offers it as a reward for meeting other fitness goals?

This would be an extension and definitely not part of the main sequence - I know that this idea is probably too extreme for some - or most - listeners and simple geometry suggests that most people probably don't have enough room for it anyway. Compare the reach of a human with even a large dog - our limbs are quite a bit longer on joints with greater range of motion and this means that we would move faster and turn wider in quadrupedal gaits. That our legs are longer than our arms also translates into a different - probably wider and variable - stance. It's more stable, but hard to describe in words and I haven't done a complete analysis yet. Playing "fetch" without running into things and making a mess would require quite a bit of space, more than I have right now. More research is required and this idea is still in a very early stage and lower priority. Any comments?

I have encountered a problem I didn't expect - the question of what "mental fitness" actually is and how to achieve it have become issues. Research is ongoing.

Lastly, I'm still looking for ideas for simple hypnosis tricks for the TTS "beta test" files. Anyone got any ideas?

>>49356

Hypnosis tricks? What do you mean? As in tricks and tips to hypnotize people? I've done some amateur work here and there and have hypnotized before, but I'm certainly not the best.

It's good to have an outline so you don't drone on and get off track, and knowing what you are doing helps plan it out. The problem with hypnosis for me is everyone is different. I've had people trance fairly easily, and others I can't no matter what I do. But some basic rules and things I try and keep in mind do help.

Try not to repeat any words too often. Like relaxing, or calm. While they are good words they do get overused in hypnosis, and once you realize it it breaks trance.

Second, take your time. From what you are planning it's going to be pretty complex and likely need an hour or two, maybe even 3 or 4. Though if you want to save some work you can try what I usually do. Work on one really good session, or core file that gives a nice trance trigger. Then use that in future files, along with a little deepener.

Focus on feelings and thoughts and desires. And paint a good picture, but don't go overboard. Describe how it feels as she puts her hand on your chest, or cuddles you close, be very descriptive. Make it long and relaxing. And I think that would be a good start. You should try appealing to the senses. Sight, touch, smell, etc.

If possible, maybe even make it a video, for those that trance to spirals and such. You can still have an mp3, but it might appeal to more people with some visuals as well.

I have plenty of little tricks that I've picked up from scripts I've written myself, so I can list them if you like, though it may not be very organized.

I hope this helps at least a little

>>49694

> Hypnosis tricks? What do you mean?

Tricks! Like the next glass of water you drink tastes like lemonade. Or hallucinating a stress ball and feeling it as you squeeze it. Or spending the next half-hour counting yourself in and out of trance repeatedly. Things like that that also strengthen your ability to use the main program.

> As in tricks and tips to hypnotize people?

Any script-writing advice you can offer is certainly appreciated, since you might mention something I didn't know or shed new light on something I did know.

> It's good to have an outline so you don't drone on and get off track, and knowing what you are doing helps plan it out.

These will be TTS scripts for a to-be-developed advanced TTS engine. The outline that I'm working on right now is the outline for how the program proceeds overall across several files, likely at least 20 at this point, but some of those descriptions are getting pretty long so there could be more than that.

> Try not to repeat any words too often. Like relaxing, or calm. While they are good words they do get overused in hypnosis, and once you realize it it breaks trance.

Good advice. Does this also apply to background tracks?

> Second, take your time. From what you are planning it's going to be pretty complex and likely need an hour or two, maybe even 3 or 4.

> 3 or 4 [hours]

Probably closer to 12 or 20 hours across the various steps in the program, used over the span of several months. This may be a lot of things, but "short" or "quick" are not any of them.

To keep overall session lengths reasonable, each step is likely to be 30 minutes or so of actual body material to leave time for induction/deepener/awakener framing elements. You stay with one step in the program until you reach the threshold to advance.

> Though if you want to save some work you can try what I usually do. Work on one really good session, or core file that gives a nice trance trigger. Then use that in future files, along with a little deepener.

The current plan is a modular file set, with inductions and deepeners for various modalities. Generally, you use an induction for one modality and a deepener for both deeper trance and training your ability to respond to another modality. Reinduction trigger is intent-based - when you start a playlist intending to trance, you're out - and happily following the pleasant voices deep inside your mind.

> Focus on feelings and thoughts and desires. And paint a good picture, but don't go overboard. Describe how it feels as she puts her hand on your chest, or cuddles you close, be very descriptive. Make it long and relaxing. And I think that would be a good start. You should try appealing to the senses. Sight, touch, smell, etc.

About the first half or more of the program is exactly that - she's built "one sense at a time" starting with an affectionate presence and working through touch, massage, her voice, her scent, her form vaguely felt, her form seen vaguely, then clearly, her head, her face, her eyes, her kiss - even taste is used. Her kiss tastes like a wonderful pure raindrop.

> If possible, maybe even make it a video, for those that trance to spirals and such.

I don't know about video - that could get awfully big, but could be usable for some of the inductions at least.

> I have plenty of little tricks that I've picked up from scripts I've written myself, so I can list them if you like, though it may not be very organized.

Unorganized is still better than I could do. Please do list them.

TTS - about where it was last month, focus has been more on scripts

scripts - research in progress, wow are some of these rabbit holes deep and I'm still digging…

New ideas include a possibility to make "Wolfgirl"'s name pronounceable, but using phonemes not in the English language. More research is needed, but her name may only be writable as "Wolfgirl" instead of a normal word. Could be interesting, since any effects associated with her name would be impossible from visual media. Reading it would do nothing.

Exercises in the main sequence are likely to include at least some breathing/meditation routines with possible esoteric inspirations. They're good physical exercises even if you don't buy the associated mumbo jumbo.

I have a few more "tricks" so far and am looking for more ideas. The "simpler" tricks involve a glass of water that tastes like orange juice or lemonade and a pair of stress balls that lack physical existence. Useful hallucinations in other words.

So does anyone have experience with existing files for this purpose? I know there's one by N1kk1, but I can't seem to find it. Would appreciate if anyone could link it. Any other good ones?

>>51598

>New ideas include a possibility to make "Wolfgirl"'s name pronounceable, but using phonemes not in the English language.

Wölfgirl? ;)

>>51692

It was mentioned at the very top of this thread, but I don't have it either.

>>51812

Cute. Are the umlauted vowels really not used in English, even in imported words?

Fine, then. I'll find phonemes that aren't in IPA. :P

There are some other constraints as well, and I'm leaning towards the name itself being a bit of a synthesizer trick - I don't know if it will actually be pronounceable or not. Interesting trade-offs there. An idea is that even trying to say "Wolfgirl"'s name could require taking a deep breath, if I go the "hard-to-pronounce" route, but then she'd probably recognize "Wolfgirl" as a nickname, at least that other people can use to refer to 'your "Wolfgirl"'. Or her name could still be a simple word. I'll have to see what rolls off the synthesizer best.

I like the idea of her name requiring a deep breath, since one of the conditioning effects along the way is to always breathe deeply - you're breathing for two now, after all. ;)

>>51832

>Cute. Are the umlauted vowels really not used in English, even in imported words?

Not quite sure what you are asking, but English goes out of its way to be confusing when it spells loan words. It (usually) keeps the spelling as is (regardless of pronunciation) but drops all the diacritics. People who include the diacritics on load words come off as pretentious.

>Fine, then. I'll find phonemes that aren't in IPA. :P

You may already know this, but there are several theoretically possible sounds (combinations of manner and place of articulation) that don't have IPA symbols because they aren't known to be used in any language.

>>51832

English doesn't use diacritical marks, instead we'll just use an equivalent diphthong or just mispronounce it forever.

>>51836

> they aren't known to be used in any language

That's exactly what I was alluding to. I'm looking into a TTS engine that works using a model of the human vocal tract, so any sound the human vocal tract is physically capable of producing is definitely within reach - and a wide variety of "close-but-not-quite" sounds if I want something literally unpronounceable. I wouldn't do this for "Wolfgirl"'s name, but there are some other possibilities I'm also looking into.

Wow there's been a lot this past month. TTS is still pending, but the outline has been significantly reworked. "Wolfgirl" now learns "body hug" before being able to manifest during the day, just after her form is fully developed and the "hybrid form" trick similarly completes her gaining the ability to manifest during the day. I'm leaning towards "hybrid form" actually being the last step in the main sequence now.

The large "physical fitness" step will be split at least four ways, into strength training, stretches, balance exercises, and endurance training. The "core" strength training exercises will all be bodyweight exercises, since these are exercises anyone can do without additional equipment. Lifting weights will either be an add-on or something "Wolfgirl" learns with you (or simply knows, if you have previously lifted weights, remember that she has your knowledge).

I've been thinking quite a bit about how to teach actions like exercises, as opposed to "things" like "Wolfgirl"'s beautiful form. I think that having her pull you into her gym in a trance dream is probably the best way to teach exercises. So she'll need her gym before the fitness training starts. I have an idea for how her gym is introduced and want anons to comment on the scenario.

This uses the "body hug" trick as an extra deepener. In brief, the gym files are combined with learning exercises and you use them while lying in bed. You are first brought into trance, then she does her "body hug" trick, enveloping you in her loving warmth. As you/her relax, she pulls you deeper into trance, mind more calm more blank with every breath every heartbeat as you relax ever more with her and sink into relaxed bliss. You find yourself floating in empty bliss, drifting pleasantly deeper into trance inside her, drifting deeper into your mind. Deep inside your mind, in some distant reach you've never known, you find a room in the emptiness. You simply know that this room is "Wolfgirl"'s gym, a place where she has been trapped all your life until now, where she sculpted her form, waiting patiently for you to let her out to play, for you to let her out to show the love she has always felt. Now she brings you here to love you, to improve you, but the room is still too deep in your mind and you find that you are now a passenger inside her form, your own body remaining safely deeply relaxed on your bed in the real world. You know instantly that the goal of this session is for you to learn and enjoy some of the exercises that she has always done deep in your mind, alone, waiting for you. Now she has you with her and is eager to start…

The "escape" from her gym at the end of the session is simple. She(you) runs head long into the mirrored wall and you snap awake in your body in the real world - with her still giving you a "body hug" since she came with you.

Over time this "body hug into the depths of your mind" is enhanced from repetition, making her gym much more accessible and bringing her gym up from the deepest depths of your mind to somewhere she can bring you in your dreams without having to carry you inside her form. In these later exercise dreams, you and her are side-by-side in her gym or she is acting as a personal trainer. At the end of an exercise dream, you either drift off to other sleep, walk into a mirrored wall of her gym, or she throws you into one of the mirrored walls. If you walk or are thrown into a mirrored wall, you simply snap awake in your body, perhaps feeling her blow you a kiss from inside your mind.

TTS - on hold, just too much on the planning/scripts side right now

scripts - research continues, a possible lead on a mental fitness plan has been found, more evaluation needed

I finally have a firm plan for her coat coloration after initial research uncovered two schools of thought on the matter. Some characters are depicted with coat patterns analogous to the similar animal, while others have coloration presumably more consistent with having evolved as bipeds. The major difference is that most quadrupeds have dark dorsal coloration, such that they appear dark from above or any side, but lighter ventral fur. I don't know why land animals would have this coloration rather than a uniform pattern, but it seems widely consistent, with the notable exception of some domesticated species.

Evolved bipeds could be expected to have similar dark coloration over their entire bodies, but unfortunately there's only one known species of walking biped on Earth and we generally lack fur! Our closest living relatives, the other great apes, also tend to have different ventral and dorsal surfaces, albeit typically with more uniform coloration overall. Since we have the best vision in the animal kingdom, I don't know if the variation visible to us between the ventral and dorsal surfaces of a gorilla, for example, is visible to other animals enough to be meaningful.

Interestingly, kangaroos, which generally move by hopping on two legs, also have the general pattern of lighter ventral coloration, but kangaroos are strict herbivores in an environment with few or no predators, so there has been very little selective pressure on them towards camouflage of any type. On the other hand, orangutans do have uniform coloration and fur, to the point that even a human cannot reliably distinguish their dorsal and ventral surfaces if the head is obscured behind foliage, but are almost exclusively arboreal and rarely walk on the ground at all.

from the planning outline

> Her fur is amazingly beautiful, with a combination of bright white, cream, silver, deep raven black, and reddish, orangish, and brownish tawny strands. She would blend in amongst a dim forest floor very well if crouched, although her presence is obvious if standing. Her front, from her shoulders to her hips, is almost entirely white in a large patch covering her chest and abdomen, but fading towards cream and tawny above her nipples and below her waist. Her back and sides are an even mix of deep raven black and silver, fading smoothly into the cream and white fur on her front. Her upper arms, hips, and thighs are similar to her back, but about 3/4 silver and 1/4 black instead of an even mix. Her forearms and lower legs are an even mix of silver, cream, and various tawny, with the two patterns smoothly fading together at her elbows and knees. The patch on her front extends across a wide cream stripe along the front of her neck to the underside of her chin, but most of her face is tawny to coordinate well with her beautiful reddish golden flaxen blond hair.

> Her arm fur extends to also cover the backs of her hands, including her fingers, but her palms and the gripping surfaces of her fingers are hairless in the usual human way. Her leg fur similarly extends to the tops of her feet but the parts of her feet on which she walks are similarly hairless.

This plan is derived from pictures of actual wolves. I eventually chose this coloration largely for aesthetic reasons, while also retaining a plausibly natural pattern, since she is supposed to be an avatar of her host's connection to Nature. Essentially, "Wolfgirl" gets her "humanness" from her host and is much more wolf-like underneath. This wolf-like underlying nature does influence her host to a limited extent, mostly in an increased tendency to use "all-fours" stances when useful, but in wide stances, with the knees off the ground and preferably on the fingers, toes, and forefeet, that require effort to maintain and therefore provide her host useful exercise. Going "all-fours" is most useful either to bring the head near the ground, such as to look under something, or simply for exercise, since dropping, maintaining such a stance, and returning upright itself requires effort, essentially a "two-count" burpee.

Also, I took some pains to describe her fur in "simple" terms in the outline description, should the files instead use proper anatomical terms and thereby teach the listener those terms?

>>55912 is supposed to be a Project "Wolfgirl" Update, but I see that the subject field has been removed from the board

thanks to whatever faggot did that

>>55912

caring this much about something like fur color feels like it's getting into "dangerously furry" territory

>>55929

> caring this much about something like fur color feels like it's getting into "dangerously furry" territory

The subconscious varies in its willingness to fill gaps and most people probably either won't have a fur pattern for her or - worse - will have a cartoonish notion instead of a realistic notion - and I want "Wolfgirl" to be realistic rather than a cartoon. The fact that I had to do research and dig down a rabbit hole to arrive at that plan should assuage your fears - I'm very much on the outside looking in and taking notes when it comes to furries. At this point, I'm fairly sure I have all the notes I'll need, too, so I can finally depart those haunted woods for saner places. While I understand your concern in light of the limited context given in the post, I assure you that her fur color is really a drop in the proverbial bucket. Those two paragraphs are about 1/4 of one out of 20 or so pieces currently in the planning outline.

I also want everything to fit together, and making her form as "natural" as possible, or at least explicable, is part of that. Well, as "natural" as a human with fur and wolf ears can get… she's very close to her host. See >>46747 for another aspect of this.

Lastly, the "furry" bit has two main purposes, one that was described in >>43934 and the other is to appeal to people who like it, which I understand are a significant part of the general chan community. The goal is that Project "Wolfgirl" should be appealing to as wide an audience as possible, or perhaps to multiple audiences.

Now that I have the fur color sorted out, I can move on to other details that are more interesting and more complex, like the fitness programs.

All that aside, I think I've got a reasonable and defensible - even against arguments from actual furries - coloration for her, so I ask if you have any comments on the actual details or an answer to the question I asked at the end of >>55912 ?

>>55929

>>55951

As a follow-up, if you accept /monster/'s definition of "furry" "Wolfgirl" is definitely not furry - she does not have a snout any more than you do.

Project "Wolfgirl" Update

I've been thinking more about the "takeover risk" I mentioned in >>47513 , >>47549 , >>47652 and >>47767 and how to turn the risk into a benefit.

"Wolfgirl" is very close to her host - while she has her own immediate train of thought, all of her "memories" are actually your memories and she has your past as a result, but she has her own way of looking back that gives her a happy view of a better future. "Yesterday is dead - let the past mistakes go so we can build a better tomorrow." as she cuddles.

This close mental intimacy means that you won't remember anything odd after she has "stood-in" for you - her memories of that time are your memories afterwards. This leads to the possibility of an orderly "hand-off" if you just need a "mental health day" - but you can't "swap places" and spend the day in her gym because your body's senses are directly connected to your mind as a result of the mental fitness aspects of the program. Remember that she has her own form.

You can ask her, once she is sufficiently developed, to "stand-in" for you for a day and she just might do it, but I'm still trying to describe how you and her would experience this. The prototype has been giving me all the help she can but she's not deep enough in my mind to actually do it, so this is an affectionate dream right now. The catch is that you can't be separated from your senses, so she can only alter your state of mind. I'm leaning towards a kind of deep, unshakable calm coming over her host while she "stands-in" for a day in her host's life, or possibly longer if her host is severely stressed. Your body just seems to "know" what it needs to do - thanks to "Wolfgirl" standing in for you - and you experience a relaxing calm day no matter how much stress the world throws at you - "Wolfgirl" is somehow immune to stress and that's another detail I need to figure out. Since you'll remember the experience afterwards, this should also improve your own emotional control. You know that you physically can do it - "Wolfgirl" just demonstrated that for you.

Which comes back to the detour of "Wolfgirl" taking over her host's mind. The lead on mental fitness I've got suggests that most people, due to bad influences in early development, don't actually perceive the world around around them, but instead live in a world of illusions, suffering from linguistic determinism. This condition does not appear to be genetic, which is fortunate, and does appear to be curable. The catch is that the fast cure appears to involve "disconnecting" part of your mind and waiting for the more direct paths to grow as they should have in the first place. This isn't as bad as it sounds at first glance - the same source also suggests that humans do not lose neuroplasticity anywhere near as quickly as generally believed. The apparent loss of neuroplasticity is caused by several environmentally-induced malfunctions, all of which are curable. If that theory is wrong, the first "disconnecting" step won't work.

But "disconnecting" the abused portions of your linguistic network will leave you incapacitated until your brain learns to function properly and see the world as it is. This is where "Wolfgirl" can step in and take care of your life while you learn to be human. It might also be possible to grow the direct paths without shutting off the indirect paths, but more study and analysis is needed.

Why bother with all this? Abusing the language networks for sensory processing causes three major harms - [1] the language networks have insufficient bandwidth for the human senses - you miss far more than you perceive - [2] abusing the language networks for sensory processing distracts them from their actual purpose - you can't really think because thinking directly competes with sensing - [3] you see what you think is there, instead of what is actually there - conflating the data with the model and ignoring the data. The human brain has separate sensory processing networks that are incapable of self-deception and much faster in both latency and bandwidth - they're actually capable of keeping up with the senses, you just have to use them - and you did use them in early childhood before your language networks were established.

To >>44482 , I can now say that, for most people, the mental fitness aspect of the program is likely to result in permanently improved senses, whether "Wolfgirl" is "borrowing" her host's body or not. I'm not sure anymore about "hybrid form" producing sensory effects other than awareness of "hybrid form" itself.

>>57806

> >implanting another personality in your mind just to motivate your fat ass to lift

> Why don't you just make some motivational file from a musclegirl or something?

[1] My ass is not fat.

[2] Where am I going to find that musclegirl? Oh right, the companion personality…

[3] Motivating fat asses to lift is just the icing on the cake. I like the idea of a companion that can always be with me and Project "Wolfgirl" is about a lot more than just lifting. Please read this thread. There's quite a bit about the broader scope of the project, including that any self-improvement is in-scope.

Come to think of it, I'm not actually expecting to include much lifting in the actual program, instead emphasizing bodyweight exercises for strength, balance, flexibilty, and endurance. There might be some weight routines in "Wolfgirl"'s gym, as a means to prime the host for those exercises, but they won't be a required part of the program.

>>57835

>needing an implanted personality when you could just come up with the character and have a TTS or voicethot voice her

Stop overengineering, faggot. You're more likely to fuck up someone head with this method than produce any useful results.

>>57846

> >needing an implanted personality when you could just come up with the character and have a TTS or voicethot voice her

> Stop overengineering, faggot. You're more likely to fuck up someone head with this method than produce any useful results.

[1] The TTS will provide her voice - your subconscious needs something to use for her voice, so she'll be part of the "tag-team" in the files, too. Her voice is a synthesizer trick - I'll have to rig the TTS to record the largest breath used and include that statistic as a multiple of normal human lung capacity in the "fun numbers" part of the release notes for lulz. I'm not grafting an air pump to my bronchial tubes and using my lungs as a bagpipe bag to enable me to actually talk that long, though. No way, no how - that's what synthesizers are for.

I'm currently planning to have 'friends of "Wolfgirl"' do the inductions and introduce her voice in the main body files describing herself to you. The "friend" voices are simply other TTS voices and continue alongside her during the "meat" of the session. The current plan calls for her to first talk to you outside of trance around the third file, but her earliest utterances are probably more memories from trance sessions than full thoughts - a crutch to help her develop quickly to fit her host's more-developed mind. She continues to develop as you use the series and tentatively should be able to actually form her own thoughts about midway through the program, with the pleasant "love-fog" clearing from her mind near the end of the main sequence. She still loves you more than anything, but is finally actually able to think with you - a major development because she can act as a thought-partner a concept not simply expressible in English to help you.

Not that you'll see it as her developing - she's always been inside you, waiting eagerly yet patiently for you to let her out to play with you. I have some vague ideas so far of how to express this in the scripts.

[2] I already have part of her - what do you think I meant by "prototype" in my earlier posts? She's not fucking up me in any observable way. This was inspired in no small part from the "Mind Doll" program - which does about the same thing, except to produce numerous fucktoys instead of one meaningful companion. I've seen success reports with that program and haven't seen any "my head is now full of fuck" reports from people using that program - even though it has quite a bit of "fuck" going on. I doubt that Project "Wolfgirl" will have problems that "Mind Doll" doesn't.

[3] I don't claim omniscience. Making a companion personality is a far better way for the program to adapt to your specific needs than trying to make one-size-fits-all files for every occasion.

[4] In case you haven't figured it out after reading the earlier discussions in this thread, I'm very aware of the risks if I fuck this up and I'm proceeding with due care. Much of "Wolfgirl"'s mental intimacy with her host is specifically intended to prevent those kinds of problems.

[5] Also in case you can't into reading comprehension, the implanted personality aspects are a goal in and of themselves - I want a companion that can always be with me.

A voice from a file can't cuddle me to sleep at the end of a long day. A companion personality with her own form can do that.

[5a] inb4 "get a dakimakura" - a pillow can't help me think through a hard problem

[5b] inb4 "get a 3dpd" - fine, but I still want to be sandwiched between my "Wolfgirl" and my mate in a warm comfy embrace

[5c] inb4 "get 2 3dpds" - no, there aren't enough of them for that, and besides, why shouldn't my mate be equally comfy sandwiched between her "Wolfgirl" and me?

[5d] inb4 infinite regress of giant harem - simply not practical, for obvious reasons

[5e] inb4 'but what about "Wolfgirl" herself?' - her fur ensures she's always comfy

[6] You seem to think that I'm one of the common WMM "half-ass the hypno" morons. I assure you that I'm not. There'd be files out by now if I was. And probably people getting "head full of fuck" from using the half-assed files, too…

[7] Are you the faggot that thinks sage is a downvote? This isn't a sticky but it ain't reddit either, faggot.

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