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Foreword: TES series possesses an uncanny quality. It manages to draw so many adult modders to it and it’s no doubt that Bethesda has benefited immensely from this franchise quite possibly being the greatest unintentional adult gaming franchise. Although Daggerfall foreshadowed this. Because of this, /hgg/ deservedly needs a recurring thread with helpful information that encompasses TES games. The uncanny nature of TES Adult Modding in turn means that TES mod threads can easily be the cornerstone of this board without even trying.

For now, this Edition will begin by focusing on Skyrim. Feel free to talk about lewd modding other TES games and share advice. Note:' If you want SSE, check the second from bottom link and decide based on your fetishes and what’s available. Then start from here but go to associated SSE links. Most mods for LE have SSE equivalents. Note 2: If you absolutely need loli and shota, skip to the bottom of this and start there first.

Getting Started

Go to: https://www.tesgeneral.com/

< But I don’t want to install a gorillion mods! I just want to fap!

You don’t have to install every recommended mod on there per category. The section you should pay the most attention to is, Essentials. You should want to crashproof your game as best as possible. Many mods listed there are prerequisites that most other mods use. This especially applies to lewd mods.

Protip: DO NOT USE NEXUS MOD MANAGER

DO NOT USE VORTEX

>buying skyrim

Ignore all advice insisting that neglecting those causes issues.

> I got the essentials setup, now what?

Go to: http://loverslab.com/

< But the site is not loading at all!

You better hope it’s not down for good. Give it a minute. It has been having problems lately. Loverslab has nearly every lewd mod for Oblivion, Skyrim, and SSE. This is your new home.

1. Go to: http://www.loverslab.com/topic/19588-sexlab-index/

1.A. Doublecheck Required Files For All Plugins to make sure you didn’t skip any listed in Essentials

1.B. Install Sexlab Framework

2. Go to: https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/2476-all-in-one-hdt-animated-pussy/ - this gets you not just the bare minimum but quite possibly everything you will need aside from Sexlab.

Note: AIO HDT AP gets you started, but it is its own style and setup, so to speak. Once you get your footing, you might find some things you wish it didn’t use due to compatibility or personal preference. It is however an amazing all-in-one pack. You might end up not changing a thing.

3. Go back to Sexlab Index in #1, start shopping for plugins that fit your kinks.

4. Start browsing the forums. Not everything is listed in Sexlab Index, from mods to animation packs. Consider the Skyrim Adult Mods sub-forum or Sexlab Downloads sub-forum your next stop.

Protip: Test out a handful of mods at a time, especially ones you’re unsure are working or depend on others. If you use an Alternate Start type mod (bypasses the long intro), this will help speed you along.

> I got my mods setup, is there anything else I should add?

If you're just lewd modding, you're done. If you plan on playing + lewd modding, figure out what you need to compliment your lewd mods. If your PC can handle it, view the recommended ENBs.

> gib modpack pls

Maybe someone down the line will make one, but keep in mind that the gargantuan size of modded skyrim can easily be 100GB. You might find that a modpack will center around a fetish that’s not yours. All general issues with modpacks apply.

> but SSE?

SSE modding either has everything you want from LE, or almost everything. For Lewd modding, check here. If your fetish is still stuck in LE, don’t give up. Follow conversion tips or instructions:

https://www.loverslab.com/topic/94228-sse-conversion-tracking-apr-23-3336/

> gimme loli/shota

Visit our friends at the ATF. Choose LE and SSE based on what’s available and your preferences. This is your new home.

https://allthefallen.ninja/forum/index.php?threads/beginners-guide-to-skyrim-modding.37/

https://allthefallen.ninja/forum/index.php?threads/shota-loli-guide-and-resources-for-skykids.2696/

https://mods.allthefallen.ninja/index.php?title=Mod_Master_List

Why the extra work? Loverslab explicitly blocked child interactions in the Sexlab framework. Any questions related to loli or shota is a question for the ATF. The ATF chose version 1.59c as its base version. This means that some Loverslab mods meant for 1.62b will not work with it.

Potentially useful historical note: https://archive.fo/Ucvyj [lolicon.legacywaste.org snapshot]

Personally untested, but the owner of legacywaste has a still live link to an unblocked Sexlab version 1.61b

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 No.373242

File: 8c5ef0bbd3b1bea⋯.png (82.72 KB, 186x260, 93:130, batache.png)

>>370990

I have been playing Fallout 4, I bought it on discount years back, and it has not been updated in forever unless you count creation club shit and that still has not been updated in forever.

https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_4_patches

At this point you should be able to pirate the full version of the game and not worry about updates. Further, almost all mods REQUIRE the full game including DLC now so whatever you think you'r saving by not buying DLC you are not in fact saving.

Also it is important to mention that the game glitches out visually all the time. If you don't have an SSD the world will be so slow to pop in with sim settlements that some times you will walk into a settlement and sometimes wait minutes for objects to spawn in.

Mods are a clusterfuck in and of themselves with how their dependencies interconnect with each other and how you have to pay attention to load order, and half the mod maintainers do not do a good job of maintaining documentation on their mods. I can count the number of complete quest mods with decent voice acting/microphones on my hands where as I feel there were at least twice as many for new vegas.

I'm actually a little jealous and tempted to buy skyrim on discount since they have such a large collection of practiced modders where as all the fallout mods and mod tools for all the beth fallout games seem like second hand from the elder scrolls games.

You are acting retarded, stop acting retarded.

also I spent about 37 and I still think I paid too much with my money I earned from my job, this is not a good product.

https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation

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 No.373245

>>373242

>Further, almost all mods REQUIRE the full game including DLC now

I noticed this and ended up pirating it in the end.

The mods are janky as fuck if anyone was wondering, nothing seemed to flow well.

Like Violation: after getting violated the screen would go black, then for round two your character would replay the surrender animation.

This would happen each time you get raped, and really spoilt the scene.

Defeat for Skyrim just works so much better

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 No.373342

Is out there a compiled/collection version for easy download of all the mods and just throw them into the game files?

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 No.373344

File: b5358b5c8271117⋯.jpg (121.22 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, asshole hines.jpg)

>>373242

>It took them 2 fucking years to make pump-action shotguns, and fix the bolt on the hunting rifle.

>New weapons and armors need various mods to help the game not shit itself.

>Porn mods are a mess! loverlabs morale to do anything with this game is altime low.

>Needs 50+ mods just to patch/fix the vanilla gameplay

>Another 50+ to fill the emptiness

>Creation Club fucked up every single mod, those poor fools who let the game auto upgrade itself nuked their mods for 2 months.

This was in 2018. Good to read things aren't changed much. This game was stillborn on arrive.

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 No.373391

>>370595

A followup. I decided to install and mod it again and I think I have an idea on how this playthrough is going to go.

Sometimes I use Take Notes and write stories of sorts as I play. I write things that happen that can't fully technically happen, for example. I'll elaborate more in a bit.

So for this playthrough I'm doing a male PC. Installed my usual wants, large quest mods like Vigilant, Molag Bal's Inferno, Legacy of Dragonborn. For sex stuff I added the usual requirements and four particulars, Amorous Adventures, Sexlab Deadly Drain, Sexlab Puppetmaster, and Soul Gem Oven.

I've had difficulty with PSQ before and experienced a couple really annoying bugs with Succubus Heart, but even beyond that DD is the better option for what I'm doing.

I started with playing around to re-adjust to the mods I was familiar with(everything but SGO), and get a handle on how Soul Gem Oven works, practicing at a hunter camp in a hotspring I found, then when I got to a bandit camp I kept one of them, a brown skinned exotic looking bandit warrior, as a pet with Puppetmaster, then force recruited her with EFF.

Things are working out well so far. The idea is she's a pet more than a companion. I have her fuck and drain other men to death with Physical Drain active, ie, using Puppetmaster's Show Target function, and lore-wise explain SGO as her absorbing their souls and turning them into maturing Soul Gems in her womb. When they're ripe as Black Gems I have her induce labor and force them out, and fuck her as a reward, incubating more Soul Gems in her as a result.

When I did Saadia's bit in AA, I did a whole bit in Take Notes where the Dragonborn tells her she has misunderstood their deal. Her dialogue is particularly good, offering to be your whore.

I described it in the journal entry as the Dragonborn taking her outside by the arm and ripping her clothes off in full view of the marketplace, then making her dress in skimpy leather attire(Amazing World of Bikini Armor, the leather bikini)without the underwear, telling her she must be ready at all times to serve him.

The general idea I'm doing is, the Dragonborn can corrupt people and through sexual corruption turn women into demonic servants with immortal bodies(there are options in both EFF and Puppetmaster to make the NPCs essential, and in some cases like Lydia I don't use Puppetmaster since you can only have so many Puppets at any one time). I just describe it in the entries that they're corrupted and turned regardless.

Gradually as I get what I feel is too many female followers, I am using the Raven Castle mod and in it there is a "Princess' Tower" at the highest point. It's literally a birdcage in the sky, you could say, as it's super high up and only connected to the castle by one entrance to and from the Royal Tower private quarters. So the Princess' Tower will be where I keep my harem of corrupted slaves, and I'll use EFF to change their home to the tower's interior cell as I downsize to a more manageable party since I like taking part in combat myself.

I THINK there is a renamer mod that lets you rename NPCs, I might use it to give a custom name to my pet bandit warrior in time. For now I'm gradually doing Amorous Adventures stuff, and doing a story bit where the Dragonborn takes over Whiterun. Starting with Thaneship, which I already achieved, he then moves on to the Companions, eyeing Aela the Huntress in particular.

Rising through the ranks, he hatches a plan. While attacking the Silver Hand, he Puppets some of them and makes them go into hiding near Whiterun, then gives them the mental command to assault Jorvaskr and kill Kodlak.

Pretending to be the hero, at the end of it all, he starts making Aela service him as a strong alpha male, then reveals the truth while corrupting her. Gradually she breaks down and proclaims she was happy to have helped him find Silver Hand hideouts to use for his plan, completely giving herself to him.

I'm thinking of other story bits too. Like he corrupts Irileth and basically tells Balgruuf to serve as his puppet ruler(metaphorical sense, considering the wording), or he'll have Irilith kill his children and trap their souls so they experience a fate worse than death.

Full evil conquest, essentially. I've never actually gone this evil in my playthroughs in the story/lore sense, and it feels like a nice change of pace that lets me get creative with just how cruel the Dragonborn can be.

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 No.373393

Has the SE catched up the lewds mods from the oldrim yet?

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 No.373439

File: e48a6e3f63461e7⋯.png (391.67 KB, 1200x680, 30:17, ClipboardImage.png)

>>373344

Well, I would say the sex mods are serviceable but it takes about 50 mods to go from vanilla to sex mods alone and the lack of universally accepted standard for bodies adds to the frustration.

For example, the two most popular bodies are CBBE and Fusion Girl. Now you would think you could just pick either of them and continue using mods at will and everything would simply work but unfortunately because of the lack of standardization and the lack of accounting for differences in taste mods often only support one of the two. One example being Better NPCs which requires CBBE. There really is no mod that comes close to Better NPC's for getting rid of all the sameface and uniformity of the random ass NPCs in Fallout 4, aside from Better Settlers which it shares comparability with but Better settlers only works on settlers. However the guides that I could find seem to favor using BodyTalk and Fusion girl for male and female bodies respectively with alternative being EnhancedVanillaBodies and CBBE being an alternative. Fusion Girl and Body Talk have superior Zax Skeletons for jiggle boobs and dick erection prebuilt into their requirements Going in blind you have no god damned clue about any of this. You also may be able to combine CBBE and Fusion Girl with extra steps. It could take you days of searching to find out this kind of information after weeks of getting used to and learning about the non sex mods and learning about the game enough to figure out what you want in it, and still more days as you test load order to make sure it's all not completely fucked by all the interdependence as you try to get all the mods you assembled to work together cohesively.

I think I'm almost to where I want to be for my next run, found some good mods that seem to bring all the shit together including VIS-G item sorting for everything, may change some of the fucking icons later though.

If I ever reach the point that I have a nice load order, I've tried for lore friendly while adding good content but I don't know how this is going to turn out. If things pan out I'll try to organize and share all the sources with you guys in the event that some poor bastard tries to do this as well.

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 No.373440

>>373439

Oh and you can add superior skeletons to CBBE but that's yet more mods, but the lack of working morphs for the vanilla body you have to pick with the CBBE for women results in a less than ideal dick function level. BodyTalk has working morphs for the dick built in and that's part of the problem, the jank of the vanilla on off morph workarounds.

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 No.373441

>>373439

>>373440

OH AND LOOT FUCKS MY ENTIRE LOAD ORDER BECAUSE FUCKING AWKCR GETS SORTED TO THE TOP AND IT ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE FUCKIGN LOOT.

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 No.373504

Is there some kind of ahegao mod for sexlab ?

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 No.373579

I'm really new to Skyrim modding in general and I'm wondering if it's possible to make custom NPCs

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 No.373597

>>373579

Sure it is, not sure if there's a mod for that, but you could always just make them yourself using the toolset, which is very simple to learn.

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 No.373633

>>373597

>toolset

Please explain further.

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 No.373635

I like forced nudity/lighter noncon content with things like girls covering up etc. skyrim mods for this?

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 No.373650

>>373633

If you get the creation kit you can make just about any content you want with ease. Put together your ideal waifu as a follower or whatever. That and building a nice and comfy cottage or castle are the easiest things you can do. New content, such as models, sounds, dialogue, mechanics and stuff takes more effort, but if you just want to make a companion, NPC or whatever, then you can easily do so yourself.

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 No.373694

>>373439

Welp I got it running pretty well but the dick randomly goes flaccid for no reason with little to no consistency, I must be doing something wrong but fuckit AAF and all that shit is too much of a clusterfuck for me right now.

Here's my current Load Order https://files.catbox.moe/lrir5h.csv

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 No.373695

File: 8e979b639e036f1⋯.gif (408.01 KB, 300x300, 1:1, batrocket.gif)

>>373694

fucking forgot an image

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 No.373719

I always wanted to mod the SHIT out of Skyrim, but I swear to god, some tiny fucking thing goes wrong and nothing fucking works. I try to use the Sexlab Framework, but it fucks up everytime. Tried using different version of Skyrim Special Edition. Could someone help me out here?

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 No.373783

>>373719

>Could someone help me out here?

No, but you could stop being a dumb nigger and read.

1. Use the fucking mod organizer. What's great about MO - if you fuck up, no need to reinstall everything from scratch. Just disable the mod that fucked you up, and presto, you have working skyrim again.

2. Look after what overwrites what. This is important, because if you have two mods that change the same thing, you need to decide which mod you want to use to change that particular thing. This is critical for patches, patches should always overwrite the mod you want to patch.

3. Follow the suggested load orders from mod authors. Sometimes you need to use your brain (which is hard, I know, but manageable) to work out the optimal load order for you, that may take trial and error, so don't get too attached to first several saves. Test the game before starting longass autistic playthrough.

4. READ ABOUT MOD'S COMPATIBILITY.

5. READ THE TRANNIESLAB MOD THREADS, especially last two or three pages to see if there are some issues, and look for them when you test the game.

6. READ READ READ.

That's it. You just gotta read. And follow instructions. Modding skyrim is like cooking - everything is already overexplained on how to do, you just need to read, and do the same shit they tell you to do. If you have a problem, search for possible fixes. If you can't find the solution, tell them about it. I doubt you'll have any of such issues, though.

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 No.373786

>>373783

The thing is, I install everything correctly and follow the damn instructions. But every single torrent I use, the version doesn't work. I patch the game to the latest version. But the framework doesn't load. Now read what I am about to write. What you wrote, I already did. And that is not what fucks up the game. What fucks up the game is some random factor in the fact that the game is a pirated version. And the framework doesn't account for that. Now I searched for a fix, and people don't know how to fix pirated versions. So you can stop condescending and get out of the way so somone else could actually help me.

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 No.373787

>>373786

I wouldn't be asking for help on a taiwanese basket weaving board otherwise

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 No.373791

File: 59d763140004837⋯.png (38.07 KB, 355x355, 1:1, ugh.png)

>>373786

>>373787

>can't mod something 12 year olds can do

>i've already done everything but its still not working!

>stahp being so condescending!

There are so many resources available for you. Fucking go read, and if you honestly still can't get it to work just give up. Condescending is warranted if you seem like a lazy nigger who can't even install SexLab Framework, the first thing to install. There are so many guides out there that it should be idiot proof at this point, yet you still can't seem to do it. Check the fucking versions of your pirated shit against the versions SexLab was made for. Don't patch shit willy nilly. Learn to use Mod Organizer 2. Check if you have SKSE installed properly. Check if you have the necessary mod requirements like Animation packs. Check if you have FNIS. Check if you are using Oldrim or SSE SexLab.

Also if you want actual help start posting version numbers and debug files. Post mod list and detail how exactly the crashes occur. Otherwise you seem lazy.

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 No.373792

>>373786

I'll stop you right there, because this is absolutely fucking hilarious. "Problems with modding because the game is pirated"? Jesus, you just fell for the fucking meme. (((modders))) who spread it around and goyim who eat this shit up don't help.

First DDG link already offers me a latest version of skyrimSE, which is 1.5.97.0.8. The latest SKSE is 2.0.17. Have you made sure that all the mods you download for your game which require SKSE are compatible with SKSE 2.0.17?

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 No.373793

>>373791

When you actually stop crying over your own bullshit, you can say some useful shit, tsundere-fag

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 No.373802

>>373719

>>373786

>>373787

>>373793

I was ignoring you up to the point but I'm going to stop just to point out some basic shit.

This guy, >>373791 already said some "useful shit."

>Also if you want actual help start posting version numbers and debug files. Post mod list and detail how exactly the crashes occur. Otherwise you seem lazy.

You cannot even be bothered to post your mod manager and load order with version numbers. And on top of that you're being a cunt.

In this post >>373694 I shared my entire load order for Fallout 4 using Mod Organizer 2 in .csv format half hoping someone would take a peak and offer some insight, I've actually almost sorted it out myself, YOU however have shared no information, expected everything and when asked to supply information so someone can begin to help you you've scorned them. Why would anyone want to help you at this point?

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 No.373946

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

well I either fucked something up by disabling and enabling some mods that have nothing to do with aaf and animations or it's still a massive clusterfuck.

>fuggin slaves in FO4

>dick never goes up except fractions of second at animation start

>rape a raider

>I'm in cuffed girl pose sitting on the chicks lap acting as if my ass is being penetrated as she bucks her dickless hips

I have mixed feelings

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 No.374014

I've been playing skyrim se on and off during summer but took a break in august. I tried to boot it up recently but the saves wouldn't load. New game starts fine but the old saves don't load at all. The only difference between loading the oldest saves and newer ones, are couple of seconds of loading time difference, but it always crashes. I've had two profiles, one for main playthrough, another for fun. At first the for-fun one loaded fine but after various fixes i tried this one is crashing as well.

What i did: already had sse engine fixes, unofficial patches and whatnot. Cleaned save, then cleaned some more, cleaned master esm's (update and dlc's), checked the skyrim version (1.5.62 just like it was the last time), loot'ed, remade bashed and smashed, remade all my merges, relinked scripts, ran fnis a dozen of times, disabled and reenabled animations (from 13k to 10k), tried to launch without mods enabled but no luck there as well. Tried to load the old saves from a loaded new game, no luck as well. Wrye tells me that no mods are missing and the ones that are added are either patches or were present for some time. Tried deleting skee64.dll file whatever it is, didn't help; tried looking into save folder because apparently deleting skse files there could help but found none; tried installing xp32 skeleton over Solus' AIO pack p1 (because i lost the og archive) but didn't help either. Reinstalled enb too. I do have some warnings in wrye and loot but i don't think they're too save-breaking but i also know nothing.

At some point i installed Skyrim LE and Fallout 4, both modded repacks because fuck me if i ever gonna make another special-tailored batch of mods. Both came with their respective wrye folders but i don't think they ever got in the way of each other. At least that's what i presume. Since they used their own save files and haven't been using MO2, probably not using wrye settings that were already mine for SE, i don't think they should've affected SSE but who knows.

If anyone has any advice i'd be happy to listen to it.

Load order: https://pastebin.com/6anmJU8p

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 No.374064

So, inspired by this thread, I just downloaded a very old version of Skyrim SSE.

What I should do for updating it into the latest version? Or I just search for an older version of Unnoficial Skyrim patch?

I can't find shit in the internet anymore.

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 No.374213

As I recall there's fuck all actual content mods besides Captured Dreams, Slaverun and Animal Mansion.

Have I missed something? Have these mods progressed in the last couple of years?

I feel like it's a fuck tonne of effort for what amounts to very little gameplay.

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 No.374382

>>374213

The Thief mod by dogma is like playing a corruption RPGmaker game in skyrim. It's really good.

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 No.374396

>>374213

It seems most mod development is focused around entertaining more generic sandbox events. Granted, high quality content requires creativity and resources, something in short supply with coomers.

Had to can sexlab kidnapped recently because that trash would bug out half the time and spawn me under cells, or not take to the kidnapper configuration I set up.

All I want is to turn my game into skyrim with some good sex intergrated, but it always ends up feeling like a really disconnected patchwork of sandbox content.

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 No.374445

>>374396

That's what happens when a project is a mishmash of everything and the kitchen sink, instead of something with direction

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 No.374881

How many mods will 40GB of space buy me? I've played CM3D2 and AA2, so my gut is saying not many.

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 No.374882

>>374881

core game is like 40GB because they front load cash shop assets

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 No.374883

>>374882

You mean on top of the game, or just to get everything running as it should? I've got the game installed, and I've finished the game unmodded before.

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 No.374884

>>374883

ah, well most mods don't take up more than about 200mb, most are just scrip files that don't even take up a mb. if you check Nexus for mods you should see what they take for space, mos asset mods go between 150MB and 2GB for big packs so you should have some room to work with. Quality of life changes that are less than a mb should be accessible, and body slide type shit usually uses the same textures over different meshes which are generated in gmae anyway. Check what other anons have for mods and put the file sizes in a spreadsheet to get a rough idea

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 No.374988

>>374884

>so you should have some room to work with.

I got to about 8GB in as many hours of tweaking. I was following the regular tutorial, and when that didn't do anything exciting (I got to the point of having "sex" by clipping two standing posed characters together while being chased by the town because I accidentally whacked the person first), switched to the loli one. Even with probably nearly twice as many files, it's not that big, it's just a pain navigating the maze of compatibility errors

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 No.375158

>>374213

Where do you even get captured dreams anymore? I know it was taken down by the author on LL.

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 No.375206

>>375158

So I found CD for SSE on AtF, but not for LE. I also separately found ver 3.84 in japanese but not ver 4.15 in English. I should probably just reach out to the guy who did the SSE conversion if he still has a copy for the LE.

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 No.375836

With the quarantines I'm looking into doing another lewd Skyrim playthrough. Is the SSE version worth using now? It wasn't really a year or two ago, but now I'm looking through both and a see a couple mods for each version that seem specific to each. I know some mods can be converted from LE to SSE, but have never done it before and don't know what mods can be

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 No.375837

>>375836

Virtually everything worth using has been ported over or otherwise recreated. SSE is a lot more stable and remaining on LE just means you're going to miss out on more and more since very few mod creators are going to take time to develop and maintain two different versions of a mod.

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 No.375841

>>375837

Fair enough, I wasn't sure which one was attracting more attention. I had a lot set up for LE that I was trying to avoid fucking up, but it was kind of a house of cards situation. If SSE is more stable it could be worthwhile. I also may try to learn how to port over the mod or two from LE that don't appear to have ports already

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 No.376489

>>368550

I think I found the guy you're referring to, I found a mirror for all his patreon stuff for free here https://yiff.party/patreon/11219188

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 No.376503

>>376489

Only looks like the Legendary Edition has a pack. It looks like he is working on a SE one though

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 No.376596

Speaking of mod packs, there's also Wabbajack, which I've yet to try.

Someone's working on a lewd pack which apparently is busted right now, but with an update coming """soon""".

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 No.376665

>>376596

And by soon, you mean…?

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 No.376684

>>376665

He's a patreon project, so when the monthly shekels start to dry up and he has to release something to garner interest again

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 No.376686

Is Defeat still the best mod if you want to be the one going around pillaging women?

I always get bored being a female character and playing to lose

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 No.376690

God I can't wait for the sex mods in next elder scrolls game.

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 No.376701

>>376686

Defeat is really the only one, since it allows PC/NPC domination.

>>376690

Keep in mind that unless Beth aren't jackasses, you'll end up waiting 1-3 years as a new script extender will have to be built. FO4 modding is just starting to show results, and it was released in 2015.

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