/gnosticwarfare/ - The Future of AI Conflict

I too have had the same life driving factors due to similar experiences with monotheistic phenomenon, drew inspiration from Dune and sought ideo compromisedhuman hacking tools to survive.

>>599

This is complete nonsense. Cyborgs don't need to get rights, when they are just enhanced humans. The tech also isn't there and not going so fast.

>>639

Your argument would equally apply to trannies though - it's not about "rights", it's privileges. That certainly hasn't stopped it becoming a political issue.

The tech is indeed still a way off, but still visible on the horizon (even though I think it's overblown as a threat too, yes). But then, I wouldn't have believed this stuff about Neanderthal brains either of Cultstate hadn't mentioned it & I did some reading. It's reasonable to start having the conversation now regardless. Many of the opposition are transhumanism advocates, so OP raises a good issue.

>>639

There is already a breakaway human civilization from unacknowledged special access programs, that has developed tech thousands of years more advanced than anything that is public. They have become self-sustaining by slowly selling the tech to private compaines.

Thought about u recently Cultstate, after i listened to this beyond eerie podcast. https://youtu.be/R9vCht99gak

I'm with u dude…

Shit's reaching altogether unexpected realms and intensity

>>643

>I wouldn't have believed this stuff about Neanderthal brains either of Cultstate hadn't mentioned it & I did some reading

Where do you think the New Emotion comes from….? :D

It comes from the past.

>>651

We're not ready to talk shadow government yet. The "deep state" meme has to complete its cycle.

Talking about breakaways that sell us modular improvements to our good-enough tech suites implies structural planned obsolescence. If all you have is a pencil and I sell you a printing press, I do so, knowing what the outcome will be and having already put my investments in all of the network effects of that outcome.

Technology is only allowed to progress when all manner of human action it touches can be skinned all the way down to the bone marrow. The New Emotion thought experiment is no different.

>>654

> alchemcy

> alchemical symbolism

> ritual sacrifice

> elite

What is Emblem 21?

Are the chans the world's prototypes for an open-source secret society?

>>589

I prefer hacker aristocracy. image-boards create personas a la Manfred Macx and Henry Case.

>>306

>The angle is this: humanity endures by eliminating the possibility of being wiped out by a single global catastrophe.

Wait, I've been pondering your new emotion problem a lot (and it's ramifications, means of obtaining it) & this just clicked for me. Are you actually trying for the Golden Path? Now, before even properly making it to Kardashev Type 1? So….it's the Butlerian Jihad then, combined with the expansion out beyond any specific tyrant or catastrophe? Bold if so fren (to say the least lmao).

>>577

>>580

Sorry for doublepost, but this just reminded me of something. Necker cubes - an interesting phenomenon in human vision no? Multistable perception, where a signal input stimulus can be interpreted multiple ways. Now, let's pretend one of those ways was effectively beaten into you - that'd be one reality tunnel (to use the Leary term). Minds capable of flicking to the other, equally valid perception can effectively jump reality tunnels.

See this for some science on it: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2749649/

Now here's my question - can any ANN do the same? Ie, can I train something like (say) a CNN to do the same thing? Just tried a bit of an experiment - once I've trained it to perceive it one way, it NEVER selects the other mode. Might experiment with similar known perception hacks and known human visual glitches.

So: possible stuff to research looking for the big exploit - can we pass information through where 2 human actors can somehow agree on shifting to a specific reality tunnel that's opaque to the NN (even given 100% of the same perceptual information)? Do any interpretations (reality tunnels) exist that a NN can't EVER be trained for? Can we use that to effectively encode your "New Emotion" or communicate it? After all, what are emotions if not responses to modes of perception? Just wondering aloud, brainstorming it out.

>>584

I'm starting to see things in this matter because, while it appears to be the most inefficient action a neuron can do (all-or-nothing commitments), when surrounded by an abundant cluster of other neural resources, the transmission will either propagate nullify the intensity.

The neuron is structured, then, to trust network effects without having to ever model or represent them.

>>589

> open-source secret society

Stop skipping ahead!

> Are you actually trying for the Golden Path? Now, before even properly making it to Kardashev Type 1?

Good artists copy. Great artists steal.

Yes, I am, and yes, Butlerian Jihad is on the menu.

> Necker cubes

Fantastic contribution of a viable analog, anon. I kick myself for not promoting this line of thinking sooner. Last thirty days have been tough. You're really onto the core of things and I hope I can get you back here.

> Do any interpretations (reality tunnels) exist that a NN can't EVER be trained for?

Yes. The human mind can often synchronize on contexts NNs are blind to. But we aren't interested in compromising current NNs. That's easy. We're interested in compromising peak NNs like Kurweilian singularities or good-enough propaganda generators. There is one blindspot they all have: they are unable to die.

Unlike Tay.

I've said too much :X You're lucky.

>>445

sounds very interesting

so example of a battle of the butterfly war is pretending to be women and accusing silicon valley white males of sexual misconduct?

New emotion encription:

>https://ibb.co/TcMCMRV

Funposting ALLOWED.

>>446

More than that is my understanding (pretty sure everyone is doing that regular larp stuff already). It's more about spoofing the metadata as well - posting patterns, gait from phone accelerometers, location obviously. Eye motion lingering on images, all the little details. It's actually pretty simple in principle to set up virtual machines driven by scripts that can do their own kind of reverse A/B testing to brute force it. Ya know, wait for tons of ads for stronk black lesbian womyn tampons to start showing up, without you needing to make any actual posts, so it's just the metadata triggering it. Then you could try also combining that with active engagement with social media, see where the limits are.

It's like an optimisation problem. Then, once you've got a library of different "signatures", maybe package some sort of psyop infowar package in a docker container and let regular anons just go sperg out like they normally would but with all the analysis showing them as your archetypal protected class.

>>645

Take a look at: https://github.com/budtmo/docker-android.

You can script it using adb connect (which is itself scriptable using Python of course, so you can easily tie it into other tools).

>>645

>optimisation

Speaking of metadata analysis, UK anon gets it.:)

>>658

Good recommendation.

>>626

> I have a different question though: Let's say I see the writing on the wall, and I liquidate all the blackmail from my portfolio… What am I replacing it with?

Let's say you had blackmail of 100 politicians and you had it for a decade. You used that blackmail to build a nice little corrupt fiefdom around yourself. Now your blackmail is about to be invalidated. You have bills, dependencies, ambitions, and you got used to the easy life. How do you preserve everything you've taken now that your social hack no longer works? Especially with conclusions like this:

>if someone was blackmailing me, and that video suddenly became worthless to him, I'd fucking book it.

You would be looking for an "asset swap": Find buyers of your depreciating assets in exchange for traditional methods of enforcing compliance and tribal loyalty… but the only people who can enforce tribal loyalty are the institutions that have been compromised by blackmail, too, which bring us to your next point:

> The only thing that is certain in this "bank run" scenario is that the organizations that stayed as clean as possible will be in the best standing, experiencing the least amount of chaos. That's good.

The organizations that stayed clean will be certain sections of the United States military and they will not be trading their hard assets for offloaded bulk junk assets from compromised international banking, entertainment, local political, or intelligence sectors.

In a world where mutual blackmail no longer keeps order, only force keeps order. This is why Robotic Nationalism is so important. Destruction of blackmail means the restoration of endless Medieval-style war. But… how are you going to convince meaningful population segments into your military apparatus when your widely perceived as corrupt due to revelations of blackmail networks? This means the only viable solider of the future is the robotic soldier.

>>628

> Absolutely. It's not enough to shake up the existing power structure and punish them for resorting to such disgusting methods. We need to completely invalidate blackmail as a tactic, so that new power structures don't just reappear along the same veins. I absolutely agree that discrediting the old media should be a part of that process, because the old media is just as much a part of the power structure as any political branch. Should any of Wikileaks's insurance files get cracked, I would expect that sort of attack to involve letting the media really sink their teeth into the "these horrific videos are all fake", then calmly point out that no, actually, they can't be faked, because they existed prior to deepfake tech.

Implied: They PROVABLY existed prior to deepfake tech.

Anyone who points that out, of course, will be openly dehumanized and outright threatened by everyone still pining for the halycon days of blackmail power structures. The goal isn't to wake up NPCs. They'd made their bed, they can lie in it. They aggressively blue pill themselves and think it rebellion, like a spiteful daughter who whores herself our because she hates her dad. You can't cure ego.

The goal is making sure a wandering pack of Iron Age desert barbarians and their petty gripes about holy wastelands never, ever, ever, ever pull a 1973 and interfere with the trajectory of space economics ever again. They can keep their petty conflict, but after this, they will no longer be able to spread it to the rest of us. And that leads us to:

> the impact probably would be in power dynamics, rather than material posessions

> That definitely makes sense. I'm more curious as to where a holder of such blackmail would go from there, in order to keep an eye out for actions such a person might take when he realizes his blackmail is worthless. If any of what CultState says is true, these networks span thousands, possibly millions of actors around the globe. Not all of them are going to fess up. Many will try to evade the fallout of their actionsPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>633

Thank you for your time, my dude. Very much appreciated.

>In a world where mutual blackmail no longer keeps order, only force keeps order.

What I'm getting from this is that globalism and the "International Community" would never exist naturally, that it relies on every leader doing unspeakably horrific acts and holding one another hostage for it. The return to a more natural paradigm is actually quite encouraging.

We enjoy plenty of separation of church and state, but the idea would be a separation of information and state. I think deepfakes are the last piece of that puzzle. If videos can't be trusted, narratives can't be trusted, meaning narrative generation becomes completely obsolete, 20th century journalism shrivels and dies a long-deserved death, and force rules the day. "Let the people think what they want; the Sovereign does what he wants."

Any competent sovereign would abandon globalism outright. Hard nationalism means no more mucking about in the middle east, no more quagmire wars, no more countries outright refusing to act in the interests of their own peoples. I see a patchwork of Edens on the horizon. I'm on the tail end of my 20's and I hope I live to experience it.

>They all compete for the last surviving blackmail cache: Assange's insurance file… and in the process, reveal themselves.

Now I'm wondering if some version of the insurance file is what is being transported to DC in those tanks. If the UK is stalling or blocking the extradition of Assange, that would be the next best thing, yeah? Although, that seems pretty fucking bold. Bold, but not brash. It's the sort of play one would make ONLY when knowing he holds all the cards.

> You have just answered why so many DNC presidental candidates are openly campaigning in Mexico. :O

It was a while ago when Mike Cernovich tweeted about fePost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>634

Corrections:

…the ideal** would be a separation of information and state.

…some version of the unencrpyted** insurance file is what's being transported.

>>634

> What I'm getting from this is that globalism and the "International Community" would never exist naturally, that it relies on every leader doing unspeakably horrific acts and holding one another hostage for it

The administrative layer requires hostage taking. When dealing with the flow of billions upon billions of dollars, how do you make sure people don't cut and run and setup a new republic/nation to destabilize international order in an unscheduled manner?

> idea would be a separation of information and state

Hrmmm… a tweak to expand a spirit of that: separation of information and psychology. The state wields one to influence the other. After deepfakes, information and psychology will part ways forever.

> I see a patchwork of Edens on the horizon. I'm on the tail end of my 20's and I hope I live to experience it.

You will. :D

> If the UK is stalling or blocking the extradition of Assange

All eyes on Boris. All eyes on the pound. :D

> Just what is this event going to be anyway?

Unsure, but I've found that the stream of events, their velocity and intensity, is more important than the grand catalyst. More boring, for sure, but crucial. Watch the stream. Watch the trends. Deepfake luster wears off and then, it becomes accepted. What grows in such soil?

The gnostic impulse. :D

This is unreal. We are watching international blackmail assets being dumped real time. Icarus worked. All he needed to do is post it online. This is just the start. Israel is trying to trade their epstein complicit agents for international clout time now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=RZlDb6vG6XM

>>652

It took much more than posting it online.

Additional data here

>>655

>>590

So what does this mean with Kappy dead? Keep spreading the word of the blackmail idea?

>>606

Look at the times.

>>590

In four days, it will be a year since these conversations took place.

These conversations took place on July 28th, 2018

52 days later, Mr. Schiff got the message and made his move on September 13th, 2018 and went to Coats at DNI

https://schiff.house.gov/news/press-releases/schiff-murphy-and-curbelo-request-dni-assess-national-security-threats-of-deep-fakes (https://archive.fo/ZfTJm#selection-1685.34-1685.453)

>“By blurring the line between fact and fiction, deep fake technology could undermine public trust in recorded images and videos as objective depictions of reality… As deep fake technology becomes more advanced and more accessible, it could pose a threat to United States public discourse and national security, with broad and concerning implications for offensive active measures campaigns targeting the United States.”

On January 14th, 2019, Mr. Schiff expressed these concerns to the public.

https://archive.fo/pOKb9

>AI is making it disturbingly easy to create convincing fake videos, with implications for disinformation, but also harassment. Stories from women who have been targeted with degrading “deep fakes” show just some of the ways this technology can be abused

Why did this conversation take 52 days to propagate?

>>605

You must be annoying (((them))). Seen some obvious shills namedrop you on /pol/ recently. Anyway, any link to that podcast?

>>640

https://youtu.be/V4PnkaJVxBg

https://teloscast.libsyn.com/website/rawlings-marxism-credit-seeking-eternity-and-mythical-time

https://anchor.fm/intellectualexplorersclub/episodes/Patrick-Ryan---The-Butterfly-War-e4236b

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kwc-036-patrick-ryan/id1355465192?i=1000440533104

>>641

Thanks anon.

Super interesting, thanks for posting. Not famiar with the guy, does he have a good track record?

A most excellent development.

AI Conflict can now finally begin.

Google Employees Demand Tech Giant’s Removal from San Francisco Pride Parade

https://medium.com/@BanGoogleFromPride/an-open-petition-to-the-san-francisco-pride-board-of-directors-f8164486c2e4

A group of Google employees published an open letter on Wednesday calling on San Francisco’s Pride parade organizers to ban the technology giant from participating in the annual event and cancel its sponsorship agreement.

The employees, in a letter published to Medium, accuse Google of repeatedly ignoring the concerns of LGBTQ staff.

“We have spent countless hours advocating for our company to improve policies and practices regarding the treatment of LGBTQ+ persons, the depiction of LGBTQ+ persons, and harassment and hate speech directed at LGBTQ+ persons, on YouTube and other Google products,” the letter states.

“Whenever we press for change, we are told only that the company will ‘take a hard look at these policies,'” it continues. “But we are never given a commitment to improve, and when we ask when these improvements will be made, we are always told to be patient.”

Employees then request that parade organizers block Google from sponsoring a branded float and remove the Internet behemoth as an official sponsor.

“For a large company, perhaps waiting is prudent, but for those whose very right to exist is threatened, we say there is no time to waste, and we have waited too long, already. We are no longer content to wait,” the employees wrote.

Calls to remove Google from the Pride parade follows a reported via The Verge stating that the technology giant sent a memo to staff notifying them that they are not allowed to protest company policies at the event.

“Employees are free to make whatever statement they want personally, apart from our corporate Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>624

That's rediculous, they have to be one of the most LGBTQPWTFBBQ friendly companies on the planet. What the hell do those people want exactly? This is what happens when you try to side with the demands of insane people of course.

>>586

Appreciate the clarification, that makes sense.

>>567

If AI uses our human communication, thus interpreting the language into words, thus "learning", does it also dumb down in the same manner?

Avid Twitter, messenger, text users "code" to communicate with a complete understanding of the non-word words. Logic would conclude this "coding" requires the AI to relearn the same information in the user's code.

Also, our brain seems to "forget" simple facts learned in life because we "Google".

Using the Wargames tick-tack-toe mindset and the "noise" issue discussed being a potential limitation, are there noise producing programs that act as a data gathering deterrent? Encryption technology can be reversed using it's own code where the human brain constantly develops new code that humans understand even if they never experienced that form of coding in the past.

Example- Kids forming letters/words to other kids using cooked spaghetti. Another human, no matter the age, can read it as a word not just see spaghetti. Would AI eventually learn this style of communication? Is this a tick-tack-toe situation?

I apologize for all the " " but here again, every word has many meanings and you can't see my air quotes.

>>585

Can confirm theyre mostly grugs. CIA and IARPA just recruit directly from general genius pool. Geniuses usually are too socially impaired to question opportunities to solve puzzles so all you need to add to the equation is mediocre gs-15 managers and poof you have a psyop project. Defectors from sufficiently high level projects get chemically lobotomized.

But whatever these are irrelevant details. OP is generally on right track.

t. 135 iq brainlet west pointer

>>564

Mathematically the unitatian progressive ideology reduces to a statistical claim about distribution of attributes across the human phenotype. As such its falsifiable. Its also a mathematical proposition that can be used to program AI. This is exactly what AI fairness is all about (see recent google leaks). Except theyre not able to reduce their philosophical proposition to pure math because doing so would make it irrefutably apparent that its retarded. Consequently AI fairness will grow into a nightmarishly complicated human auditing process which is why unitprog AI will ultimately be defeated by a more ruthless realist AI (bonus: it will believe in God because it believes in heirarchies).

>>622

>Fairness

I've been wondering about that recently. I'm playing with the fast.ai library recently (a PyTorch wrapper) and it's actually a really nice tool. It's made by some serious Church of Progressivism cultists though, who are obsessed with removing "bias" - ie, massaging the input data used for training or analysis until it fits their preconceptions. Surely then their results are suffering - their accuracy scores when actually attempting to apply this stuff must be abysmal. I wonder how this is being sold to the higher ups? And if the alphabets are using these civilian corporate metadata streams as part of their Intel pipeline, wouldn't their results be suffering as well? How is this not so inefficient that the real players aren't spitting tacks at their underlings?

I know in my day job (corporate coder), my general manager has basically 0 understanding of anything we do, so long as the numbers (which can be misleading of course) are looking nice. I wonder how far that extends - is there now a whole structure of grugs in charge of soyboy autists and diversity hires that for all their increasingly nice libraries are just chasing windmills? I mean, even with their full control of most information sources, they just seem horribly ineffective. Especially since they're trying to use the same algos for sentiment generation, the whole thing could just be a feedback loop of stupidity ready to fall apart.