No.19124 [View All]
Selling Sex and a segway into Vidya
So, halfchan started mass reporting camgirls and the like to the IRS for unreported income a few days ago after someone suggested it on reddit. It has spilled over onto 8/pol/ and there is new a board here (albeit sort of dead) for the operation as well. Apparently this is spreading far and wide with the emphasis being on Snapchat Premium memberships in which these women trade nudes and attention for money. It's been so effective that it's being predicted this will negatively effect Snapchat's stock prices on Monday.
I wanted to share my thoughts no pun intended on the entire thing, which despite my personal feelings about taxes has me sensibly chuckling to myself.
First, I wholeheartedly believe that collection of taxes under the threat of violence is fundamentally wrong, as is any forced redistribution of wealth. I also think that the free market should reign supreme and that if there are guys out there willing to pay $5 for a pic of some rando's tits, so be it. Supply and demand. There's exceptions and caveats but that's the general idea for me anyway.
That being said, there's something undeniably satisfying about seeing eThots getting audited and trying to defend why they don't pay their taxes. Of course most, including the white knights defending m'ladys honor, are employing the "I'm a chick so I get a free pass" excuse, as well as blubbering about how "it's an attack on all sex workers" - which btw I'd be happy to assure them the IRS gives not one single fuck about.
Twitch streamers who are there to sell the sexy gamergrrl image are also being reported. And it makes me smug af tbh, despite some guilt over condoning turning people into the shekel-grubbing machine that is the IRS. As a woman and an avid gamer for my entire life I've seen the huge shift in perception from girls who love games into "gamergrrls" over the last 10 or so years. Growing up we all just played games, boys and girls, and it was no big deal. There's always been less girls and that's always been fine. But this new sexy cam-gamer-girl thing has done massive damage to the gaming industry and forged a huge divide between males and females in many player communities. The industry's new focus on SJW buzzwords like "inclusion" and "diversity" is one direct result of giving into an extremely vocal minority of these money and image obsessed harpies over actual male and female gamers who quietly buy and enjoy the games. The latest best example of this is inserting females into Battlefield V combat roles - as if we are all so delicate that we couldn't possibly play as a male character in a historical recreation and haven't been doing so, and enjoying it, for decades.
If Twitch ever cared about curating positive gaming communities, they certainly don't now. Why they allow this trash on a gaming site, when there's hundreds of other sites for eThots to beg for beta shekels on is proof that the paypig money is just too good for Twitch to let go of despite the overall negative effect it has on the image of girls who are actually into vidya.
/end psuedo-rant
I'm interested in other people's thoughts on this. I certainly realize the motivation in reporting them for the guys doing it especially /pol/ is definitely different than my own feelings about it, but that doesn't mean I can't sit back and have a laugh at the panic and damage they are causing. Sometimes you have to just let go ride the wave.
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No.19511
>>19509
It's one thing to be insulted. It's another thing to be insulted "for being a woman".
The plural is important to note because that girl has made other statements that are divisive among the sexes suggesting the use of plural is very much intentional.
I have not questioned if she felt insulted. You are twisting my Argument into one that suits you better.
This is called attacking a strawman and it's very dishonest and manipulative. You should feel ashamed.
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No.19512
>>19510
>the evidence is right here
Post it.
>>19511
>the moment you make any assertion or claim that goes beyond questioning mine
The moment you make a claim, it must be backed up. Learn to argue.
>>19511
>the plural is important to note because that girl has made other statements that are divisive among the sexes
There's definitely more than one woman in existence that dislikes whores. This is what she referred to, and it is obvious you are taking advantage of a spelling mistake to pilpul the argument. It is an insult to women, for sure. Women that dislike whores.
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No.19513
>>19512
>The moment you make a claim, it must be backed up. Learn to argue.
Why should I hold myself to a higher standard in this discussion than you hold yourself up to?
If twitch.tv is not sufficient evidence for the content of twitch than you are intentionally setting a riddicously high standard of what is acceptable evidence just so you can dismiss anything I say.
It's obvious that you do not hold yourself to the same standards you demand of others.
You make claims without evidence, for example that monetary income does not matter (who pays for your internet, girl?) - without any evidence.
No one of reasonable mind would doubt that there are thousands of livestreams with low viewercount.
If I were to claim that water is a fluid or that the sky at noon is blue you would scream for evidence just to dismiss what I said.
Fucking slimy dishonest hypocrite.
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No.19514
>>19508
>Also have you seen earlier that some guy called a woman ugly because she dislikes thots?
Pretty sure he said she was ugly specifically because she likes video games and anime (which implies a hell of a lot more than "he's just defending feminine wammen!"). But as it turns out, it doesn't say in Webster's dictionary that playing vidya is considered feminine so I guess he was probably right all along!
What a twist!
Jokes aside I really don't understand what you want from all this. Do you want me to get on my knees and beg for forgiveness because I dared to insult the guy back in kind? Was it immature, yeah it was. So fucking what? You're trying desperately to imply that I'm triggered when it's you who clearly are. Sitting in this thread waiting for replies, looking up definitions and statistics and Twitch streams like it somehow proves he was just defending m'lady's honor. Are you him or something? You win dude. You've worn me down with reddit spacing and persistence. I yield.
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No.19516
>>19513
>why should I hold myself to a higher standard in this discussion than you hold yourself up to
You never held the standard to begin with. You only came in to make claims and argue everyone for proof against it. The burden of proof is on you.
>if twitch.tv is not sufficient evidence for the content of twitch
Post the proof.
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No.19521
>>19516
The burden of proof can only be used to dismiss a claim.
It does not mean that you can make counter-arguments or claims without subjecting yourself to the same burden. - And that's exactly what you did, you pseudo intellectual wannabe.
>You never held the standard to begin with.
That is correct. I'm not asking you to proof things that can be verified within a minute or that anyone who uses twitch will agree are true.
Because doing so is retarded and everyone else will see it as that. It's akin to asking for evidence for the color of the sky.
Since I'm not demanding something of you I'm not delivering myself I'm also not a hypocrite.
You fucking slimy disgusting manipulative hypocrite.
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No.19522
>>19514
He insulted someone for voicing an opinion he dislikes.
That doesn't mean he insulted her for being a women nor that he insulted all womenhood.
What does it feel like to live in a world in which everything is a men vs women issue, even something as mundane as insulting a weeb? Where you alway try to make yourself be a victim of society by proxy?
I bet it must pretty fucking suck.
It's the female equivalent of being an Incel. I guess I should just leave you alone because mentally living in that world is a punishment in itself and you deserve it.
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No.19523
>>19521
>>19522
>the burden of proof can only be used to dismiss a claim
Which you made, with no proof. You went first, so you prove first.
>doing so is retarded and everyone else will see it as that
Then no one will ever believe you. Piss off.
>that doesn't mean he insulted her for being a women nor that he insulted all womenhood
He insulted women who dislike whores. Get it through your head.
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No.19525
>>19523
"I refuse to believe that there are plenty of streamers on twitch with low viewer count".
"I demand extraordinary evidence for an ordinary claim that can be easily verified"
It's obvious to everyone else that you are just being obnoxious and intellectually dishonest here.
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No.19526
>>19523
Also here is your evidence:
https://sullygnome.com/viewers/watchedchannels
These are the statistics by twitch. Sort by viewer count in ascending order and you'll find that there are thousand of pages with channels that have not even 1 viewer or follower.
Playing videogames in front of a webcam is not a lucrative career choice unless you are really lucky and charismatic.
Demanding extraordinary evidence for an ordinary claim is intellectually dishonest but twitch official statistics are probably the best source available.
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No.19527
>>19523
I also want to note that earlier I posted sources on statistics about obesity rates.
Your claim that I made nothing but arguments so far is therefore evidently wrong. Besides arguments I also provided sourced statistics. So far I linked more sources than you did in this discussion.
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No.19528
>>19525
>>19526
>>19527
Said obesity and twitch statistics don't correlate to anything of your original argument, unless you want to find something actually bringing obesity rates twitch profitability comes into an insult not being what it was. He insulted women who dislike whores, which would stand to offend more than one woman. There's no getting around that.
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No.19530
>>19528
Which original argument are you referring to? Do you mean when I argued that income actually matters at least a little bit because someone has to pay for your internet bill?
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No.19531
>>19530
The insult. The one you keep defending to death, possibly because as the anon above noted, you're possibly the original poster of.
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No.19532
>>19528
>which would stand to offend more than one woman.
But that doesn't matter. It's completely irrelevant.
Because we are not discussing whether not he insulted a bunch of women.
We're discussing whether or not he insulted them "just for being women".
You are a retard if you cannot differentiate between "he insulted a bunch of women" and "he insulted women just for being women".
Take a deep breath. Read these two statements carefully. And realize that these are two different statements.
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No.19533
>>19531
I never defended his insult.
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No.19534
>>19532
>>19533
>he did not insult random women
>he insulted one woman while defending a group of women
You defended his insult.
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No.19535
>>19534
To defend his insult would be to say it was justified. I never said his insult was justified -because it was not.
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No.19536
>>19534
Have you come yet to the realization that insulting a female weeb (and by proxy all other weebs) is different from "insulting women just for being women"?
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No.19538
>>19535
>>19536
>to defend his insult would be to say it was justified
>he did not
Keep pretending you didn't, and yes, she didn't say "all women", so therefore your attempt to shift this again to wordplay is wrong. You're insulting weeb women for being weeb women.
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No.19541
>>19538
Do you finally agree with me? Insulting someone for their hobbies or opinions is different from insulting them for their sex.
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No.19548
>>19525
>I refuse to believe that there are plenty of streamers on twitch with low viewer count
He didn't say or imply that. He was asking you to back up your own shit and you know it. Don't play dumb.
>>19526
>Playing videogames in front of a webcam is not a lucrative career choice unless you are really lucky and charismatic.
Or have giant tits that you aim your camera at. Girl shows tits = Girl gets views. It's not hard to do and is well known to be a thing. Especially on Twitch where they've had multiple revisions to the TOS specifically prompted by this behavior and complaints from partners who started seeing their categories saturated, and in some cases dominated, by titty streamers who barely played the games.
>>19522
>I guess I should just leave you alone because mentally living in that world is a punishment in itself and you deserve it.
Nice one dude, bravo. Now I'm not a master debater like you, anon, but I believe they call that Argumentum ad Hominem and it usually occurs when one has no more arguments to make so an effort is made to insult or demoralize. Sorry I don't have an infographic to go with it like your really cool strawman one. But I do have pics related which I collectively like to call "Ode to 80370e (27)".
>>19535
>To defend his insult would be to say it was justified. I never said his insult was justified -because it was not.
Riiiight, you say that now after originally trying to twist the entire thing and failing into some heroic defense of the more "feminine" ethots against an obviously less feminine (according to official sources of course) femanon who likes anime and games - whom you affectionately keep calling "a weeb". When that didn't work you attempted the oh so very predictable "y-you're just jealous" which hilariously snowballed into an unironic defense of Chad/Stacy. Then there was that comment about me causing discord among the sexes That was actually funny tho, kudos. I laffed.. So yeah, you directly and indirectly defended it. You also projected all kinds of unprovable intentions onto his post just like you criticized me for doing originally.
>>19541
>Insulting someone for their hobbies or opinions is different from insulting them for their sex.
It can be one or the other or both. WTF is so hard to understand about this?
To sum up (and hopefully conclude), I assumed the miserable fuck came to a GIRL board hoping to find a GIRL he could insult in front of all the others GIRLS. I don't think this is weird, we get shit like this fairly regularly. You seem to have assumed, well I unfortunately don't even know what you think happened because it's changed so much, but I guess it's something like he came here, picked a comment.. defended ethots.. hates anime.. I don't even know frankly. Ether way neither of us knows for sure. I can't prove anything and neither can you. It's all opinion. I'm good with that, I accept that I might be wrong.. You clearly can't.
You have a lot of questions and increasingly nasty comments for me and other anons but still have refused to answer my original one as to why you give a shit in the first place. You've tried moving the goalposts a few times already to get out of answering the question. Of all the posts to come to the defense of, you chose that one. Why are you here anon? What caused all this? Where did the bad man touch you?
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No.19552
>>19548
>He didn't say or imply that. He was asking you to back up your own shit and you know it. Don't play dumb.
How did he not imply that when he want's me to prove that the average twitch thot earns less money than someone in accounting?
>Or have giant tits that you aim your camera at. Girl shows tits = Girl gets views
And that is guaranteed to net more money than a regular career?
>with it like your really cool strawman one.
This was your first reasonable post. I find it ironic that you now complain about a strawman (and yes it was an argument ad hominem, I agree) given that before that you pot dozens of words into my mouth.
I never said that women only care about shekels nor that they are not allowed to make insults nor that all women are the same *beep boop* nor all that other stuff you tried to accuse me of. These are all strawmens you made so far.
>but still have refused to answer my original one as to why you give a shit in the first place
I believe that insulting men as virgin is degrading for the women who do so and I was curious if you get mad at men who value themeselves by the sex they get from women thereby reducing them to fleshlights.
That's all there is to it. I made two short sentences that expressed exactly that.
Then you gave me some autistic screeching >>19465 about incels, mgtow, kvetching and how men constantly keep you down and how you just have to take it as a woman.
>I assumed the miserable fuck came to a GIRL board hoping to find a GIRL he could insult in front of all the others GIRLS. I don't think this is weird, we get shit like this fairly regularly.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274
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No.19560
>>19552
>how did he not imply that
All you can do is imply, and speculate, instead of simply taking it at face value. You suck at debating.
>and that is guaranteed to net more money
Again, deflecting the argument into something else.
>I never said that
You defended the insult against women who like the vidya and anime
>I believe that insulting men as virgin is degrading for the women who do so
Who gives a shit? Do you?
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No.19565
>>19560
>All you can do is imply, and speculate,
Why do you not get mad at the girl who made dozens of speculations so far in this thread that are far more reaching than any of mine?
You know what, it's not even an implication.
He outright demanded me to provide that evidence. He said that browsing twitch.tv to see that most channels have no viewers is not sufficient evidence >>19512
I then provided twitch Statistics and only then did he suddenly say that these statistics don't matter. The very statistics he demanded me to post.
Why do you get mad at me when I provided the very statistics he asked for?
You just dislike my stance in this discussion and those apply hypocritical standards. And since you are a hypocrite you do not care about any of the strawmans someone made you happen to agree with. You are intellectually dishonest.
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No.19568
>>19560
>Again, deflecting the argument into something else.
What was the original argument?
Because as I recall it there are at least two people in this thread who stated that being a thot is easy money. One made a strawman by accusing me of believing that women only care about money.
So what was the original argument you think I morphed into something else?
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No.19570
>>19565
>>19568
You defended someone for insulting women here. That offends women here. Now shut the fuck up.
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No.19572
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No.19573
>>19572
>he did not insult random women
>he insulted one woman while defending a group of women
Seriously, get out.
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No.19574
>>19573
That's stating a fact. It's not excusing him of insulting that woman.
>Seriously, get out.
Because you disagree with me? Grow up.
How will you treat your future wife or gf if she disagrees with you? Throw her out? Or worse? I already feel sorry for her.
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No.19575
>>19574
You're defending a moron. Worse, you are a moron. All you want to do is argue, and that gets you nowhere. Leave, and learn some goddamn English.
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No.19576
>>19575
When your future GF disagrees with you will you slam your hands on the table and scream at her to fuck off, get out etc. for over two days?
Because if you cannot tolerate a random anonymous guy on a niche board wanting to have an argument and being somewhat annoying about it you will surely not be able to tolerate that by someone who is constantly nearby and who cannot just close the browser to avoid your autistic screaming.
I feel empathy for that poor soul.
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No.19577
>>19552
>I believe that insulting men as virgin is degrading for the women who do
>That's all there is to it. I made two short sentences that expressed exactly that.
First, I appreciate you looking out for me anon. It really gives me the warm fuzzies that you don't want to see me degrade myself. How sweet. I guess you were just looking out for me the whole time. I don't actually believe this was your reason for one second btw but that's cool. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt
Second, you did not clearly state that AT ALL. You asked if I cared if guys thought of women only as fuckmeat. I said no, I don't care. Then you asked why I chose that insult and I told you. If you had said you thought I was degrading myself from the start I would have said that it sounds like a personal problem you need to work on and I'll agree to disagree. End of thread. YOU keep dragging this out in some futile attempt to draw some higher meaning out of it all. Or much more likely you simply just can't stand it when people don't agree with you. We get it, you have opinions and they matter dammit!
>>19568
>Because as I recall it there are at least two people in this thread who stated that being a thot is easy money.
It is, that's why they do it. No one here said you'd be insta-rich from it. You've been implying that's what we think. No one here is saying that. No one here said all women streamers are thots. No one here said there was no such thing as women who have low viewer counts either. But if you're a girl showing skin on stream your chances of getting money goes way up and even if its a couple hundred dollars a week for practically no effort, that sure beats having to go get that 2 year degree in accounting. You've proven nothing with your "statistics". Scrolling down to the bottom of the Twitch main page is "statistics" now btw
You go from being so firmly black and white about things to having the attention span of a 5 yr old. You're all over the fucking map and your mind diarrhea is exhausting to piece together. I don't agree with you. You don't agree with me. End of the fucking road.
>>19570
Just to be clear I'm not offended in the least. I'm a regular on plenty of other boards including our friend's "favorite board" and this doesn't even register on my list of even potentially offensive things. He's just sharing their rich culture of endless bickering and inability to admit when they're wrong with us. I feel enriched actually.
>>19574
>How will you treat your future wife or gf if she disagrees with you?
Is this real life?
>I already feel sorry for her.
LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
You're trolling right? This is trolling, it has to be. Please keep posting stuff like this. Tell him you feel bad for his wife's son next so I can put it in the cap.
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No.19578
>>19577
>YOU keep dragging this out in some futile attempt to draw some higher meaning out of it all.
I don't have the time right now to reply to whole thing. Buuuuut…. Are we not BOTH dragging this out?
>You're all over the fucking map and your mind diarrhea is exhausting to piece together.
I just wrote two short sentences and you gave me some autistic screaching about Mgtow and how hard it is to be a woman.
I asked you if you find it bad if men (in extension society) value women only for sex and then told you that I found your choice of insult questionable. That's it.
All the stuff you screeched about in your reply to these two short sentences was completly unrelated diarrhea.
You read much more into these two sentences then there actually was.
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No.19579
>>19576
>your future gf
>wanting to have an argument and being somewhat annoying about it
You're insulting again.
>>19578
>are we not BOTH dragging this out
No. You are. Don't pretend you aren't trying to get the last word in. Do everyone a favour, and shut up.
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No.19580
>>19579
And you are not trying to have the last word or what? lol
See, I'm self aware. Thats why I said we BOTH do it. I also was insulting. I'm not pretending otherwise despite what you acuse me of.
I have not seen either of you two dense fuckheads acknowledge any of the insults or strawmen you made so far and there were plenty. Zero self awareness.
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No.19581
>>19580
>stop insulting me
No. Get fucked.
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No.19582
>>19581
I love you too darling.
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No.19584
That's some hardcore reeing in this thread. I remember when I was an edgy teenager and reed that hard.
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No.19631
>Two kikes masturbating their egos ITT
Tragic. I seem to remember girltalk under snailgrill getting ruined by estrogen infested faggots as well. Soy really is destroying mankind from within.
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No.19634
>>19631
Yes we should ban everyone who has a different opinion, that would be so based and redpilled.
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No.19687
>>19631
What happened to snailgrill?
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No.19690
>>19687
She just kind of left.
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No.19762
the fact that a girl can make money just for being female shows the state of our society. if you look at the twitters these girls had many orbiters and white knights showering them with money and gifts because ohemgee hotgril and vegena!1!1! they are pathetic and disgusting especially the orbiters. all should die
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No.19772
>>19762
>the fact that a girl can make money just for being female shows the state of our society.
If you can hear me from all the way up there on your high horse, could you please let me know when exactly in the history of humanity this has not been true?
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No.19773
>>19772
He should've worded it more specifically, "women can get money just for existing". In the past it was more being able to marry into wealth or prostitution, but with the Internet we've got this next-to-zero effort prostitution, where the woman barely has to lift a finger to keep the money rolling.
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No.19775
>>19773
Perhaps that was what he meant, however, isn't anything "making money off being your gender"? Isn't coal mining making money off being a man (i.e. being naturally stronger and more daring than women)?
What exactly is an acceptable way to make money that wouldn't trigger the tsk tsk-ing of snobs and "we live in a society"?
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No.19776
>>19775
>mining coal is the male equivalent of a female sitting on her ass and getting betas to donate to her by the thousands
Fucking
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No.19786
>>19776
I never said it was equivalent, it's merely similar. It's using an adventitious trait given to you by nature: tits for females, strong muscles for males.
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No.19834
>>19786
>Comparing a job where you can die for real with showing your tits on camera
Are you retarded?
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