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b28406 No.145836
Just watched this video where a few studies are examined, and it gave me some food for thought. (Watching it isn't necessary to understand my theory.) Basically, the reason I think nobody has easily proved it empirically is that the effect generated in most experiments is too small to reliably measure especially with the way past experiments have been designed.
There's a catch though: it will work but very frequently only if you train the whole body which I admit sounds like the opposite of spot reduction. I think what you primarily have to do is increase blood flow to the spot which must be reduced, but let's say a very sedentary person does this to just their left tricep and does no other exercise. His tricep gets a pump, fat is released from it, and then a residual pump stays there all day long. There's the problem: the increased circulation doesn't just increase things going out but things going in as well, and he doesn't have a very active body so later free fatty acids go to the one place that is semi-inflamed and hungry, the tricep. Everybody has a certain amount of fatty acids flowing around, and it requires a team effort of most of the body's musculature to put a serious dent in that accumulated debt or else it's really easy for that meager amount of fat to just keep returning to the tricep because it's the only pumped up spot ready to pull in any nutrient.
So if only one spot is active, I theorize one of the first places fresh fat in circulation will go to is that particular spot. This means you can probably make progress on a specific spot if the rest of the body is simply not outright neglected, but also dietary fat intake should be decreased or else it's like fighting an uphill battle. You just have to have decent circulation to the big areas such as the legs and back/torso and certain spots can be focused on. I don't think fat levels will change quickly in relatively inactive areas because they have less circulation.
Note: I'm not prescribing whole body workouts everyday. I just think that if only a small area is made active, most bodies will have more than enough fat flowing to refill that spot in a short period of time, but if there are many different areas active on a weekly basis it statistically increases the chances fat will deposit elsewhere instead of overwhelmingly returning to the spot in consideration. Another side of this is that a relatively lean person on a low fat diet will likely easily spot reduce because there's rarely much fat in circulation anyway so it's mostly leaving and not returning when the spot is made active. A fat person on a high fat diet will constantly have tons of fatty acids circulating and always undo any reduction work they do in a short period of time.
Some of my experiences with my own body made me think intuitively some level of spot reduction does occur, but this is the first time I've tried to reconcile why it both seems to work sort of and doesn't seem to work.
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230007 No.145840
Just keep doing those crunches to get rid of that belly fat brah
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234900 No.145861
>>145836
What people don't understand is that how fat stores on your body is dependant on the muscles, and not the other way around. In short, a fatfuck with undeveloped abs will look way flabbier than the fatfuck with developed ones.
Yeah, you can't target just the fat in that area, but you can influence how it looks.
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87f837 No.145862
Yes, but why would anyone go for this long method? Instead of doing crunches for 10 years, you could do crunches and run for 3 months and you'd have the same results. The reason why I don't agree with you is that the body doesn't choose where the energy from burnt fat comes from, and it's not because you activate muscle fiber in a specific region that the fat in there is going to burn.
Anyway, the body would be disproportionate. Imagine a guy with fat arms, back and lags but a ripped ab.
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0bb9ca No.145863
Just as a curious fact, Have you ever think where does fat goes after you "burn it"?
It seems that almost all of it is metabolized into CO2 and H2O. Basically you breath out almost all the fat..
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f676e2 No.145864
>>145862
Whenever you increase circulation to an area, you increase the local metabolic rate. You can selectively target an area for increased circulation. Everyone who has gotten a pump in the gym knows this. When you increase the local metabolic rate, the local energetic demands increase, and I don't see how this wouldn't increase local lipolysis. There is possibly another factor involved which I didn't mention though: the myofascial meridians which cross multiple joints. Somehow I suspect that stimulating activity in the fascia wakes up fat tissue and speeds up fat metabolism.
Visceral fat is also another topic.
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0bb9ca No.145865
>>145864
I think the local or segmental increase of metabolic rate that focus a "spot exercise" would have a statistically insignificant result in the overall or segmental fat loss.
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a7d633 No.145886
>>145865
If you get a massive pump in one area of the body such as the abs after a general full body workout, you should over time look better in the area even if you put on even more fat from eating 5000 cal a day or some shit.
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87f837 No.145894
>>145886
But that way its not really spot focused. You work out your whole body and then exercise a specific part of your body. It's like running 5km a day and drinking spearmint tea and saying that you're thin because of the tea.
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a7d633 No.145913
>>145894
If you workout in general and then hammer the biceps and triceps, you'll have huge upper arms that you otherwise wouldn't have. Your analogy doesn't work.
It's still spot focused. I say to workout the whole body first because it helps improve the function of everything well enough that you can hammer a single spot harder than without doing a general routine.
Here's a better analogy: It's like heating up a piece of metal then hammering it into shape. The hammering is the spot reduction. You can bend the metal into shape better when it's heated with a general routine.
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ebc079 No.145918
Spot reduction works but ironically the abs is the hardest place to pull it off. You wanna know how I know? I've worked out everything but abs and wouldn't you know it, my abs are the only place that still has fat, and lots of it. Now like I said I never bothered working out on abs so I don't know if it's true that losing fat in the arms is statistically easier than the abs like some papers claim but I do know that if you workout one part of the body it will lose fat, while losing overall fat will not help with losing ab fat unless your diet is fasting or veganism which basically means you're starving yourself. By this same logic I guess you can deduce spot reduction is real, just very hard.
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87f837 No.145922
>>145913
You just said you work out your whole body. That includes triceps and biceps, I suppose. So it's different from going to the gym, picking up a dumbbell and working out your triceps and biceps. That's spot focused. If you lose more fat it's because of the whole body workout, not because you did, "spot focus".
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0bb9ca No.145923
>>145918
>Spot reduction works but […] my abs are the only place that still has fat
Then how are you so sure it works?
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4868b0 No.145927
>>145923
Because the opposite effect exists.
Although you're right that doesn't fully confirm the positive effect does.
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0aff81 No.145929
>>145918
Fat distribution is determined by genetics so even if the only exercise you did was crunches and planks all day long you would likely have the same results you have now.
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11e9d4 No.145938
>>145918
>Male centre of gravity is near the belly
>Logic dictates that excess fat is first put near the centre of gravity so as to not throw off balance
>First place to gain is also last place to lose for the same reason
<Therefore spot reduction is real
Come on, anon. Use yer noggin.
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