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739f20  No.145473

Are steroids worth it?

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7d4e6d  No.145474

nah, why would you want your gains to be reliant on drugs that have harmful side effects to the reproductive system and long-term testosterone production?

I'd never want to look like that dude anyway, with those tennis ball-sized bubble-traps, what the fuck? roid-tier meatheadmode looks like shit. the proper male model-type physique is achieved by frequent, intense bodybuilding training coupled by a strict diet and very low BMI. not injecting shit into your buttocks and eating tubs of ice cream

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739f20  No.145475

>>145474

what if youre not in it for aesthetics

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c4046d  No.145476

File: 9caf11578e9f4ec⋯.png (552.22 KB, 1245x1105, 249:221, Steroidogenesis.svg.png)

Bodybuilders and various athletes who use steroids aren't endocrinologists, so they don't generally understand the consequences of what they're taking. I think many skip the first step: eating an anabolic diet. Instead the strategy most often used is to eat like a garbage truck, and that increases estrogen levels by itself. When it comes time to take steroids which often can convert to estrogen, these people who are already in a stressed state make it more likely that their bodies will turn the slightest excess of anabolic steroids into estrogen. If you're doing it right, you'll be fairly lean before the steroid supplementation, and the steroids will take the last bit of fat and water retention off to expose the 6 pack and such, but instead what is often seen in recreational usage are people who look like they took bloat pills.

There are some steroids that cannot convert to estrogen and some which are so generally useful and safe that they can be compared to vitamins. There is always a concern that various hormone axes and feedback loops will be disrupted upon administration of exogenous hormones, but there aren't just negative feedback loops. There are positive ones too, so some hormones can be taken to reinforce an effect the body is already trying to do.

Some hormones exist upstream to others, meaning they are a precursor used as material to synthesize something else. The further upstream a supplemented hormone is the more opportunity the body is given to use that hormone as it sees fit which may be surprisingly intelligent and effective and also the more steps that must be taken before it can be converted to a stress hormone. Pregnenolone is an example of a steroid which is several steps preceding testosterone. Cholesterol is the precursor to pregnenolone. What is a shame to see is that many athletes are not trying to maximize cholesterol production or alternatively supplementing cholesterol itself. Both can be done. A diet high in fructose (such as a high fruit diet) will promote cholesterol synthesis, and some cholesterol supplements are derived from sheep's wool. Once the body is given cholesterol, it's important that it be put to use, and thyroid hormones stimulate the use of cholesterol to make steroids (steroidogenesis) and bile acids. Probably the most general purpose "stack" would be T3 + cholesterol, or T3 + ad libitum fruit, and that could probably be used for both men and women, as women would presumably make more progesterone from the cholesterol and men more androgens. The advantage here is the potential for a wide variety of hormones to be made by the gonads and adrenals as they see fit, and T3 has antiestrogenic effects to give some protection.

Eckstein, H. C. The cholesterol content of hair, wool, and feathers. Journal of Biological Chemistry 73.1 (1927): 363-369.

http://www.jbc.org/content/73/1/363.full.pdf

Rochefort, J. G., M. L. Givner, and D. Dvornik. Alteration of Adrenocortical Steroidogenesis in the Rat by Inhibition of Cholesterol Biosynthesis. Endocrinology 83.3 (1968): 555-564.

https://doi.org/10.1210/endo-83-3-555

Mukherjee, S., M. Basu, and K. Trivedi. Effect of low dietary levels of glucose, fructose and sucrose on rat lipid metabolism. Journal of atherosclerosis research 10.2 (1969): 261-272.

https://doi.org/10.1016/S0368-1319(69)80014-1

Trugnan, G., et al. Short term essential fatty acid deficiency in rats. Influence of dietary carbohydrates. Lipids 20.12 (1985): 862-868.

https://doi.org/10.1007/BF02534769

Anundi, I. R. E. N. E., et al. Fructose prevents hypoxic cell death in liver. American Journal of Physiology-Gastrointestinal and Liver Physiology 253.3 (1987): G390-G396.

https://doi.org/10.1152/ajpgi.1987.253.3.G390

Ness, Gene C., Laura C. Pendleton, and Zhao Zhihong. Thyroid hormone rapidly increases cholesterol 7α-hydroxylase mRNA levels in hypophysectomized rats. Biochimica et Biophysica Acta (BBA)-Lipids and Lipid Metabolism 1214.3 (1994): 229-233.

https://doi.org/10.1016/0005-2760(94)90068-X

Maran, R. R. M. Thyroid hormones: their role in testicular steroidogenesis. Archives of andrology 49.5 (2003): 375-388.

https://doi.org/10.1080/01485010390204968

Silbernagel, Guenther, et al. Cholesterol synthesis is associated with hepatic lipid content and dependent on fructose/glucose intake in healthy humans. Experimental diabetes research 2012 (2011).

https://dx.doi.org/10.1155%2F2012%2F361863

Deol, Poonamjot, et al. Soybean oil is more obesogenic and diabetogenic than coconut oil and fructose in mouse: potential role for the liver. PloS one 10.7 (2015): e0132672.

https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0132672

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0690c6  No.145477

>>145476

I have to say, even if youre a leaf, your posts are always high quality

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c8edb6  No.145497

>>145474

>steroids are good

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184bd0  No.145516

>>145475

you'll look silly and mess up your health long term. also all the steroid dudes look more terrible than usual in their older age, you can still try to age gracefully

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607d61  No.145520

>>145476

You only post with sources. Are you a scientist or anything like that?

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739f20  No.145542

>>145516

>I dont care about aesthetics

<you'll look silly

?????

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184bd0  No.145551

>>145542

everyone claims to not care about aesthetics until they do. sorry, but you'll look like a tall mini-me from austin powers if you get wide.

don't do it bro

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739f20  No.145554

>>145551

you know what you are right man, it feels bad being a 6ft manlet, wish i was 6'5 or some shit so i can look good and be massive

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739f20  No.145555

File: a8ef0709691a372⋯.jpg (54.39 KB, 640x480, 4:3, o.jpg)

>>145554

even kaz at 6'2 has to height fraud to keep from being mogged

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184bd0  No.145558

>>145555

those boys are so wide they look like they got out of long john silver's instead of muscle beach

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817042  No.145943

no

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