/doomer/ - Doomers Club

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>>9209

Reporting in but I stay away from network stuff, I don't want to touch that shit. In 90s/00s it was always nightmare to set up and since then I have networking phobia. I know a few languages, some better than others, using Linux and BSD's for more than a decade. I wish I would never fall for tech meme but there isn't really anything other that could put food on my plate except breaking into cars.

>>9212

Why not breaking into computers, anon?

>>9217

Because in order to do that you would have to have some networking knowledge, know about how you can do this stuff + how to not get caught. I also don't know the right people who might be interested in paying for data or something related. With cars it's simpler, but even that's not the case anymore because try to take radio from new car, it's impossible. That's why niggers in UK are stealing people's iPhones directly from their hands.

>>9222

tbqh modern hacking for proffit is so point and click that even having any actual computer or coding knowledge puts you miles ahead of most of the 'tards making there bread this way.

Even the most 'sophisticated' attacks by state actors are far more often than not just backdoor-ed Microsoft Office documents.

Why sell data when you could just theoretically hack someones PC and buy tardcoin or whatever cryptocurrency.

>>9209

I've coded, on and off, since I was ten or so.

Never really bothered with cracking though, or anything beyond rudimentary networking on what's basically equivalent to a telnet level. Unsecured since I could never be bothered to learn the whole cybersec thing you really should know if you're writing any networking code (not that most people writing networking code know it these days either).

Programming is both the only thing I was ever remotely good at and that I could tolerate.

Btw, I recommend sdf for a decent community for tech-people that want away from the cancer of modernity.

>>9231

I saw some guys back in the day make good dosh just by catfishing chicks on online dating sites, getting them to show tits, and then blackmailing them with the recording to do a full online show and selling the vids. No need to get sophisticated. Purely as a prank though, no illegal acts being intended

>>9255

>sdf

what is this?

>tech-people that want away from the cancer of modernity

very interesting. Are they also into permaculture/deep history/spirituality etc?

>>9209

l like loonix too anon ;)

>>9263

It's not uncommon. many people i know that are anti-civ or Uncle Ted sympathetic come from a tech backround.

>>9263

sdf.org is a community on a remote-access timesharing system. You're basically logged into the same computer and they have a bbs, a chat, games, etc.

>>13553

Maybe one year ago I would be the one telling you how tech is great, especially when you do shit at hardware-level but I just got tired of even this. I'm trying to disconnect myself from anything that isn't at least pretending to be anonymous site/service. I'm aware that better way than erasing all traces to you online (or at least as much as you can) is creating fake ones but I can't be bothered to keeping up my social media profiles and pretending to be someone I'm not just to be safe. Ted was right boys. If there is one thing I'm scared of, then it must be future tech. Everything collects data about you, AI and sorting algorithms are getting better and better, companies are creating about you literally psychological profiles, for marketing purposes of course, but they have no problem to share it with government (as was case with Apple few years back). Many forces, like police and others are actively monitoring social media accounts too. If you would ask me if I can think about one thing in current day and age which is positive technology, I probably couldn't think about anything. Things were much simpler before IT became trend job and it will get only worse. Internet is piece of shit, hardware is piece of shit, software is piece of shit, cars will be spying pieces of self-driving shit, your fucking fridge will be spying piece of shit, your smartphone is shit, your watches monitor your health, chemicals everywhere, world is based on information and everything poisons our body, mind, soul and soil. When I've seen documentary about blasting nuclear bomb above our planet, which would short all electronic circuits in its range, I kind of wished it would happen. Bullet to all "tech enthusiasts", bullet to all "techie and nerdie" people, bullet to all daypeople populating IT, taking away from us our projects and ruining them, matter of fact bullet to pajeets and annoying women who kode with karlie, bullet to all daypeople supporting AI advancement, bullet to heads of CEOs who care only about profit and not about quality of products, bullet to all people who popularized internet, bullet to managers who make from their programmers addicts to drugs and alcohol - death to all tech corporations. I can't wait until I'm done with this shit, I should learn how to be carpenter instead.

>>13554

Actually, this is the kind of discussion I was hoping we would have. The tech to ted pipeline is real, because people in tech understand the threat 'and the banality of it all. While journalists are alternatively romanticizing or catastrophizing what AI will do, or how it will come about, the basic social patterns for a highly dependent, cucked-by-algorithms humanity are already here and technology is just reinforcing it.

I feel like there is a plan underfoot to get rid of all ownership, or at least independence from the connected world and introduce something akin to serfdom in all but name. They are already propagandizing why the millenial lack of home ownership is a good thing, and how the end of car ownership and of ownership of all hardware will also be a good thing– everything will be a service and we will be happy for it. This is perfect example of how a tech paradigm (everything as service, lol) has become virulent enough to be a social paradigm. The other thing happening concurrently was of course, massive data collection, and as early 2012 they were propagandizing that privacy was an obsolete concept. The pattern is always the same, introduce something as an interesting and far out idea and then spend the next few years hammering the point home and shaming resisters.

It is no accident that tech has become an essential organ of the media-state-academe complex. There is something in the American character that it is highly independent when it comes to moral persuasion, but at the same time completely willing to cast aside the said independence if the argument is presented as technological progress. Undergirding it all is the notion of technology as value-neutral, which in a sane world would be an absolutely laughable idea. For this reason alone, Kaczynski is one of the most important thinkers alive today. It is just sad that a people who colonized an entire continent just avoid old-world serfdom are voluntarily signing up for a new one.

Power to you, man. I hate powerpoints, but I love your bullet list.

The best part of all this snooping shit is it's for fucking nothing.

Crimes still get committed. They just get committed by the massive homeless underclass that it's impossible to meaningfully punish because if you jail them, you've given them one(1) more home than they had.

Or, you know, the cops, because when the cops steal your shit, they're stealing from the property, not you. That this is gold-flag-fringe ADMIRALTY COURT tier retardation goes unnoticed.

All of this shit is for nothing. We're getting ass-probed to preserve something that'd be terrible if it existed… But it doesn't, because not even that works right.

>>13555

>While journalists are alternatively romanticizing or catastrophizing what AI will do, or how it will come about

Journalist are often hated even if they don't deserve it. When it comes to tech journalists, some of them are these soyboys who try to act clever when they write "analysis" of positives/negatives of AI or whatever and they can't get their heads out of their asses. Others are forced to do it. When I was younger I got once offer to write articles for one tech website, I took it because it's not really hard for me to write articles and it's something I understand + the money was ok. From this experience I got at that time and from what I've gathered from other tech journalists, many of them write because that's how they earn money, then they get undeserved hate in comments. If you don't write what you want to write about, the managing editor (or whatever is the position called) gives you basically some tips for articles, people will pick from them and write the articles. The trouble is that every piece of software or online service is bloated piece of shit with bad design and functionality, or at least a lot of them, so you spend hours writing some review on product you hate with passion without trying to go into full rage mode just so you can after publishing it read how big imbecile you are for writing it's not total piece of crap. Those managing editors don't give a fuck what you write, if it's not too controversial and if it generates enough clicks at the same time so they can get ad revenue and keep the money circulating. Also the big public secret of any journalism, not only the tech one is that you are more re-writer than writer. We all know that somebody writes the article, which is not very factual and thousands of websites and magazines just rewrite it all around the globe. This is practice in all fields, from politics, through tech, down to fashion/beauty mags, etc. This is why I don't blame tech journalists that much, exception are cases when it's some "blogger" with his own stupid opinion when I can rightfully point my finger on him and call him an idiot. Or probably some soytechgod on twitter.

>the basic social patterns for a highly dependent, cucked-by-algorithms humanity are already here and technology is just reinforcing it.

Well, basically yes. The trouble I have with it is not that it is already here but it's advancing into ridiculous scales. AI that can take millions of photos of people and create some photos of artificial average humans who never existed is cute experiment but only until you realize this computing power and algorithm can be used to analyze pictures of faces in real time. In China they already have on some train station/s this stuff, where they take pictures of people in the station and AI tries to guess which one looks suspicious. The funny thing about it is that it works and they caught some dude who carried a knife and supposedly wanted to go on stabbing rampage. Stores will use this (I don't know if those amazon stores are not already experimenting with this) with your internet history you used on their website to give you potentially product you might want when you come there. It sounds wonderful until you realize there is warehouse with storages where is your information stored and processed in real time, while you have no access to it and no guarantee it's safe and/or it can be removed at your will. Even if the holder of your information won't give it to third parties, vulnerabilities still exist.

>>13555

>I feel like there is a plan underfoot to get rid of all ownership, or at least independence from the connected world and introduce something akin to serfdom in all but name.

Maybe it's all psychological - you don't really feel that your data is yours because it's too abstract so there can be companies harvesting it without too much consequences.

>They are already propagandizing why the millenial lack of home ownership is a good thing, and how the end of car ownership and of ownership of all hardware will also be a good thing– everything will be a service and we will be happy for it.

Yes, this is fucked up shit. They will sell you some device you won't be able to root and it will be basically like a remote controller to some piece of hardware, in full control of hosting company. I'm highly suspicious Microsoft is hardly pushing it with Google. Remote gaming or whatever they call it is just test before you will have OS as service, etc. The argument they use to sell this nonsense is comfort and here I have to say how Stallman is right about his philosophy of privacy/security/free software > comfort. Many of you might not like him but I see him as a dude who really had a point back in times when we all had no clue about to what degree of insanity tech can go.

>It is no accident that tech has become an essential organ of the media-state-academe complex.

I would maybe argue it was kind of "innocent" but not accident. For media and state it took very very very long time until they hopped on tech. Media fought the internet because they were losing money and politicians were spitting on internet. Now they are all sucking the tit of internet and tech in general. I think they realized it's better if they use ways tech can provide them but it took them very long time.

>to cast aside the said independence if the argument is presented as technological progress

Isn't this worldwide issue? I mean, maybe I don't fully understand what you mean but many people are willing to throw everything away because muh science and much technological advancement, without even spending 1 minute to think about consequences. Maybe you are right when you put american "mentality" into that. i don't think I can imagine a nation which would put individual (and his rights) on pedestal as much as americans do.

>>13562

The point isn't to stop crimes, that's just poor excuse. Same as comfort. The real goal is mass surveillance + control of population. When you can gather information about large amounts of people, you can make your political campaign more suitable, etc. On contrary, you can use popular media to push for your worldview/agenda. It would sound like the most common stupid conspiracy theory but I'm aware of these dangers and we can see it's happening already.

>>13571

MS is already moving Win10 in the direction of OS as a service. They had that thing where they were implementing an algorithm to decide what files would be needed soon and upload the entire rest of the files on the computer to their cloud storage. Except their Pajeets managed to delete the local files before they were uploaded.

I always thought that at least the boot stomping on my neck would be a competent one, but apparently even that's too much to ask.

>>13580

Yes I've read about those Windows 10 shenanigans, isn't really bothering me too much since I have only 1 windows 10 install and it's like very very old version (anniversary update). It's on OEM laptop, so I can reinstall it whenever I need to; even to older version. The trouble with Windows is that it became on huge mess of tangled up references in code and APIs, I'm not even surprised those pajeets can't make it work anymore. IT is a joke, I'm telling you, they hire people without skill, chew them with overtimes and throw them away. Something like senior developers who actually know how this pile of crap works are fantasy figures. Like, why are we even talking about this? We have websites which need 500MB of RAM to even load, like come on…

>>13586

>I'm telling you, they hire people without skill, chew them with overtimes and throw them away. Something like senior developers who actually know how this pile of crap works are fantasy figures. Like, why are we even talking about this? We have websites which need 500MB of RAM to even load, like come on…

Corporate collusion with pajeet fakery ought to be a major redpill, but it isn't. Either that or IT types are conditioned into keeping quiet.

Facebook, Instagram and whatsapp are down. Daypeople on suicide watch. God bless.

>hello my fellow gaymer goys

>this is pepsico, a beverage company

>society is judging you incorrectly

>but you can buy these fine energy drinks we specially geared towards your needs to fight back against those ebil normies that laugh about you

>hehehe

>fucken retards

I thought gaming chairs were the end of this

>>15331

I had dream tonight about how I shot down pepsi ad from skies with mortar. Maybe I should take a break for a while.

Do people in security always come off as tryhards to anyone else? Like, you look at any place related to computing and most of the people there are pretty chill, but then you always have that one faggot who only ever talks about what he's hacking or whatever compo he's taking part in.

Around 8 years ago I started studying IT, and now I've been working for a telecom company for the past year or so.

I used to be all starry eyed, but this is all a shit show. On one hand you got blind bullshitters who make their bread and butter out of knowing the latest crap that will be out of date in three months, and in the other hand you got the boomers refusing to update 20yo pieces of technology that are exposed and vulnerable.

Worst part is that I got no morals anymore and would gladly accept to sell insider data, info or whatever simply to wreck some havoc and watch it burn, but I'm so done with it all that I wouldn't even know what people could be interested in.

I mean, who would care about accessing some DMS (as in Digital Multiplexed Switch) in the middle of Nowheretown, northern Canada?

>>15857

>On one hand you got blind bullshitters who make their bread and butter out of knowing the latest crap that will be out of date in three months, and in the other hand you got the boomers refusing to update 20yo pieces of technology that are exposed and vulnerable.

I used to be one of those bullshitters who knew every latest crap, only to realize those boomers leading projects are not very keen on using something new standardized in C++. It's useless and I got also tired of autistic arguments over tech related stuff (f.e. which language/technology is better for what purpose). Often you can't update obsolete software components because it's such a huge mess, the whole team refuses to touch it and break something. That's one of the reasons why these companies are slowly trying to open source few projects here and there because they know some nerds with tons of time will do it for them and for free.

>>16727

I was interested in this topic even though I have literally zero knowledge about hacking in the usual sense as we understand it. I doubt cracking, releasing or repacking stuff to hurt corporations was that effective (some companies even love pirates because it was proven that if something is pirated it actually makes people buy the product later, I dont know), so I let it be. It's not like you as one dude with laptop can shut down some infrastructure or business, can you? The way how you can take down business nowadays is through ways of bringing negative attention to the business with political undertone. It's all messed up, isn't it? Or am I just being too uninformed here?

>>16740

>It's not like you as one dude with laptop can shut down some infrastructure or business, can you?

I disagree. A few people can do a lot of damage these days. A quick poke around on shodan.io will show you all sorts of critical systems that are on the internet and a lot of the devices on networks are poorly made by outsourced production houses in asia and insecure as shit. For reference, think of lulzsec and all the antisec iterations and what 1, 2,3 or 4 guys by themselves can do. And most of them never even had particularly malicious intentions or inclination.

>>16744

Well I'm not expert, that's why I ask. I will try to overcome my accumulated disgust for tech and look more deeply into this.

>>16745

Have fun, I'm learning myself, always learning! but am on a hacker buzz recemtly, rooting boxes and pivoting into networks, etc. so if you want any tips or, depending on what you're interested in specifically, help or pointers for talks to watch and things to read tehn feel free to hit me up.

Intellectual property was a mistake. Information cannot be owned.

Lads is there a single way to have a smartphone without cucking your data? or is flipphone the way to go?

>>17323

Librem 5 seems the way to go. It has physical kill switches for all features and releases in fall.

So Mozilla fucked up and now you can't use unsigned addons at all. Of course, this includes most anti pozz addons.

Another proof that existence is a nigger. Currently using waterfox, at least I can use everything I had on firefox.

i can also recommend pale moon and ice cat

>>18222

I've heard those are good two. However, I thought Icecat was not being updated anymore.

>>17323

Just don't use a smartphone. it's probably for hte best anyway.

>>18222

palemoon is quite good, i use it for some stuff. some plugins such as foxyproxy don't work with it though, which is annoying..

Btw, we have an irc channel now, fellow techno-nerds:

normie connect: /server irc.madirc.net 6667

ssl normie connect: /server /server irc.madirc.net 6697 (maybe?)

Tor: /server qj3m7wxqk4pfqwob.onion 6667

webclient: https://webclient.madirc.net

Tor web client (?): http://wbi67emmdx6i6rcr6nnk3hco3nrvdc2juxrbvomvt6nze5afjz6pgtad.onion

Channel: /join #doomer

>>18228

>Linux etc. won't work because motherboards will lock out anything that isn't Windows. And web sites will lock out anything that isn't Windows.

Wont ever happen. UNIX based OS's have as huge market share of home/personal devices. Linux has an overwhelming majority of the market share when it comes to servers. in regards to chip manufacturers doing this, it will never happen.

>At that point everything will probably be so shit that there won't be a need for anything except an old computer with old games and old anime and old music and whatnot.

the cattle that use the internet as a fucking entertainment device to rot there mong brains are part of the problem, tbh.

>>15360

Lol get a load of this newfag, everyone knows mortars are for area denial/ anti-infantry. A real /k/ommando uses the ol duster (if ya know what I mean ;) to clean up pesky aerial bugs.

This IS /k/ right? did I take a wrong turn?

>>18228

>And web sites will lock out anything that isn't Windows

One of my concerns with dropping any significant time into learning how to linux is being unsure if it will even be worth it.

>>18242

I could see chip manufacturers making a "professional grade" chip that allows you to do everything, but needs to be ordered en masse (and it may even be government regulated), and a "consumer grade" chip with restrictions.

Design-wise, we already have black boxes with the highest privilege level on every chip, all they'd have to do is have those check what's running. It wouldn't even be that hard to accomplish.

There'd still be people cracking it, but surveillance and control is always about the masses and not one tech-nerd in mom's basement among a hundred thousand people.

>>18313

Learn OpenBSD instead. The head guy there is too autistic to let it be ruined. Theo would have to have an "accident" to infiltrate it.

Only problem is that the selfsame autism prevents it from working on the newest hardware.

>>18242

They'll make the dumbest decisions imaginable if it means gaining more power and short-term profit, or satisfying some ideology. So what if enterprise and scientific systems suffer from having to run a toy OS optimized for twatter and nyetflix? We're talking about people who are willing to destroy countries, or even the entire planet.

Even the game industry is currently shooting itself in the foot with a machine gun set to full auto just for the sake of ideology. They don't care if they lose customers and money. Or if they are pursuing money they do it in the most ham-fisted, short-sighted way possible.

I never became well versed in anything besides casual use of a basic home computer. After watching the rather quick inorganic decline of modern technology and the Marxist Indoctrination of so-called "gurus" who sell goodgoy points for profiteering…I guess I wasn't wrong after all to give no fucks about anything. Neo-Luddism in the 21st Century should be pretty highlarious if you ask me.

>>18329

>the Marxist Indoctrination of so-called "gurus" who sell goodgoy points for profiteering…I guess I wasn't wrong after all to give no fucks about anything. Neo-Luddism in the 21st Century should be pretty highlarious if you ask me.

You have to be crazy to think cunts like Zuck and all those other silicoln valley tech gurus are marxists… That or you've never read a book in yer life.

>>18337

Corporate Marxism is a very real and very shitty thing. It's a nice blend of the greediest Capitalistos using the most subversive weasling round and round to make profit and brainwash empty NPC-types into being /trannypol/ types.

>>18354

wtf are you talkin about? 'corporate-marxism'? I'm not a leftoid but christ, read a book mate.

>>15857

> I've been working for a telecom company for the past year or so.

Shell or rat access plx?

>>18374

Have you considered cybercrime, anon?

>>18388

Every doomer that knows how to dox should consider cybercrime tbh. It's gonna be important to know those skills pretty soon anyways.

>>18362

There have been stranger bedfellows, reality is a messy affair, a place where the orderly distinctions of superficial doctrine are not taken as a rule.

Somewhere around the 90's the cultural-marxist academic jargon merged with the corporate HR management jargon, bringing us inclusive diversities exploring the possibilities of progressive vibrancy. This isn't so odd a match, as marxism has never been truly anti-capitalist, arguing against capitalism on its own terms, arguing that it doesn't serve the market agent optimally, that communism a better deal for the market agent and therefor an economically rational imperative.

>>18394

what you are describing is called "Woke Capital'. It has little to do with Marxism, but is a real enough phenomenon.

https://parallaxoptics.wordpress.com/2018/11/12/on-woke-capital/

>>18388

First things first, does TMNSONXTCG0 makes sense to you?

>using personal computing device and all those resources, to voluntarily access remote servers and allow them to get photos/videos of your face in order to get visual representation of you being the opposite gender

<this actually made some girls insecure to post their photos with words "no filter because I'm actually girl"

https://twitter.com/search?q=girl%20filter&src=typd

So this is the power of tech and tiny essence of transhumanism, and this is the important stuff we are putting our resources to? Truly amazing world, at least some guys can now harvest those sweet neetpatreon money pretending they are girls.

>>19094

KICK IT TILL IT BREAKS