No.15423
Do you believe the world is the worst its been, or have things always been this bad? We are certainly not the first generation to say "hmm things are not so neat", not by a long shot. In a similar vein, do you think we are due for some end of world scenario?
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No.15429
>>15423
You can't compare problems of previous generations with ones we have. It's completely different set of problems we are facing.
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No.15437
CORPORATE TECHNOCRATS WANNA INSTAL GOOGLE ON YO BRAIN NIGGA
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No.15451
>clown world
The (((system))) will fuck you up anon even if you are running on a perfect track record so an end of the world scenario isn't that bad.
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No.15456
<is it really that bad?
>US govt debt 22 trillion
>US unfunded liabilities (incl. medicare and medicaid) 222 trillion
>EU not even calculated into those figures
>worldwide 800+ trillion derivatives bomb waiting to blow up
>demographic bomb ticking
>stock markets near all time highs you cannot afford to buy stocks and get ahead in life
>real estate markets near all time highs you cannot afford to start a family
>healthcare and tuition costs are exploding you cannot even afford to get a better education so you can escape this nightmare
>moral decay reaching new perversity each +1 year
nono, it is not that bad honey
Jay Powell will just print another quintillion USD bills.
And Wall Street will use this cash to buy back their own stocks and DOW will reach 50K after that process
You will be left with worthless savings accounts, worthless pension funds and an ever incresing amount of boomershits who want free shit handed to them and they want young people to pay it for them no matter how much cash they already have saved
On top of that, there is no potential go outgrow this fiasco anymore because the economy is already globalized and interlinked with each other.
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No.15463
Smartphones/Social Media have been proven to take a massive toll on mental and physical health. Not to mention that people radicalize each other there and it's a breeding ground for mistruths.
Even before this people were getting fatter, sicker and whatnot but the internet with its ability to instantly transport information made things go overkill. It also came in time with the fall of the iron curtain which allowed capitalists to throw away their ethics since there's no "enemy" anymore to prove that this is the better system.
I'd say technology is as much curse as it is blessing since it mostly exploits human desires. The factory owner can increase his profit massively with forklift. The woman can fuck around with the anti baby pill etc. And so on.
These things are always promoted as being handy and thats true, but theres always a downside to it. In recent years, technology has gone overdrive and humans simply can't keep up with this constant change of Environment and too much comfort causes lethargy.
Keep in mind that we're the very first generation to experience this, so theres no way to tell where it will lead. If you look at the signs, it doesn't look too beautiful though.
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No.15464
Considering it's on a global scale it automatically makes it worse but that's not all.
>countries flooded with brainless browns
>nuclear war
>industrialization of nature
>revolution or civil war will be a challenge due to how tight the power grip is on the populace and CIAniggers planted everywhere, 1984 is worse-case scenario and best-case scenario are multiple confederacies that won't know peace for decades
These points are the only points that really matter, when Rome fell the people started over because the land was irradiated urban lanscape with mutt chuds.
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No.15466
>>15423
Soon, it will be a festival of violence. Exercise now while you have the luxury of preparing.
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No.15467
>>15423
It's subtle and psychological now. While we live in relative physical comfort and safety (the village isn't getting raped and murdered today), our minds our more sick than ever. Morals/politeness/courtesy/basic intelligence are dead. Just 20-30 years ago things were MUCH different. Just think of the difference between 1995 and 2019. It's really like another world.
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No.15512
>>15423
For me it's less a material, economic collapse that I think is destroying us but a spiritual one. Our technology makes us both closer and farther together, and knowing that the internet mostly exists so the CIA can track everyone is the real kicker. We're still adapting to everything currently while also dealing with material decline in quality of life, the death of God, and technology stagnating, which even puts a damper on the Whig view of history, which says even if we lose all our higher purposes at least our lives are getting materially better. It's just a slow, quiet death that we're all leading.
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No.15517
>>15464
*wasn't an
>>15467
Even 2012 feels like a different world, it feels like this has been going on for a long time but this huge rate of decay has only been going on for 6 years.
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No.15525
>worst it's been
No, we've always been fucked as a species and society
>due for end world
We definitely deserve it, but worst case scenario we bottle neck with the tip scientists and 1%ers restarting the race.
If it isnt one thing, then it will be another but in any case our food supply and diets are fucked/bound to change
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2019-01/tl-pss011419.php
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No.15535
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No.15538
>>15535
I'm pretty sure I've seen that dude on right on Duck Dynasty.
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No.15550
>>15429
the enemy is still the same as it resides within.
>>15512
keep the struggle alive.
everyone with faith has to contribute.
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No.15576
On an existential level things are pretty bad. We have advanced technologically but our cultural identity is vague at best or just plain dead. We don't need to view our social superiors as morally superior which allows a great advance in civil rights sure, to express contempt for government and the elites, but we still have a massive wedge that divides us. Every day you wake up with nuclear war looming over your head. A catastrophe can cut the power to your grid real quick and send a million people with zero survival skills into a panic. Back in the day nature used to sort this thing out by throwing everyone into hard mode but now adays with mass industrialization no one gives a fuck and it doesn't matter if you have 15 guns and a garage full of ammo with your own farm to boot because you are still in the thick of it and the storm will come. Each of us has effectively been subverted in one way or another and now you can't even guarantee trust or camaraderie with your neighbors. Oh yeah the family unit has been shot to shit now too and if you somehow make it out the other end of marriage with an intact family and no divorce then you have made it into a dwindling minority. Want to talk about job automation? We can hardly discuss climate change objectively because it has become so politicized and its to the point where you can't even acknowledge yeah the planet fucking hates you get wrecked without some autistic bitch screaming LIBERAL! Well on the bright side the most catastrophic events are not expected until the tail end of this century but we are already losing towns and cities down here in the south atlantic. Lol Florida won't be missed though am I right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td-v6vG2Xhs
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No.15622
>>15466
cool greek statue bro
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No.15624
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No.15654
>>15423
SOURCES OF SOCIAL PROBLEMS
45. Any of the foregoing symptoms can occur in any society, but in modern industrial society they are present on a massive scale. We aren’t the first to mention that the world today seems to be going crazy. This sort of thing is not normal for human societies. There is good reason to believe that primitive man suffered from less stress and frustration and was better satisfied with his way of life than modern man is. It is true that not all was sweetness and light in primitive societies. Abuse of women was common among the Australian aborigines, transexuality was fairly common among some of the American Indian tribes. But it does appear that GENERALLY SPEAKING the kinds of problems that we have listed in the preceding paragraph were far less common among primitive peoples than they are in modern society.
46. We attribute the social and psychological problems of modern society to the fact that that society requires people to live under conditions radically different from those under which the human race evolved and to behave in ways that conflict with the patterns of behavior that the human race developed while living under the earlier conditions. It is clear from what we have already written that we consider lack of opportunity to properly experience the power process as the most important of the abnormal conditions to which modern society subjects people. But it is not the only one. Before dealing with disruption of the power process as a source of social problems we will discuss some of the other sources.
47. Among the abnormal conditions present in modern industrial society are excessive density of population, isolation of man from nature, excessive rapidity of social change and the breakdown of natural small-scale communities such as the extended family, the village or the tribe.
48. It is well known that crowding increases stress and aggression. The degree of crowding that exists today and the isolation of man from nature are consequences of technological progress. All pre-industrial societies were predominantly rural. The Industrial Revolution vastly increased the size of cities and the proportion of the population that lives in them, and modern agricultural technology has made it possible for the Earth to support a far denser population than it ever did before. (Also, technology exacerbates the effects of crowding because it puts increased disruptive powers in people’s hands. For example, a variety of noise- making devices: power mowers, radios, motorcycles, etc. If the use of these devices is unrestricted, people who want peace and quiet are frustrated by the noise. If their use is restricted, people who use the devices are frustrated by the regulations. But if these machines had never been invented there would have been no conflict and no frustration generated by them.)
49. For primitive societies the natural world (which usually changes only slowly) provided a stable framework and therefore a sense of security. In the modern world it is human society that dominates nature rather than the other way around, and modern society changes very rapidly owing to technological change. Thus there is no stable framework.
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No.15655
>>15654
50. The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can’t make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.
51. The breakdown of traditional values to some extent implies the breakdown of the bonds that hold together traditional small-scale social groups. The disintegration of small-scale social groups is also promoted by the fact that modern conditions often require or tempt individuals to move to new locations, separating themselves from their communities. Beyond that, a technological society HAS TO weaken family ties and local communities if it is to function efficiently. In modern society an individual’s loyalty must be first to the system and only secondarily to a small-scale community, because if the internal loyalties of small-scale communities were stronger than loyalty to the system, such communities would pursue their own advantage at the expense of the system.
52. Suppose that a public official or a corporation executive appoints his cousin, his friend or his co- religionist to a position rather than appointing the person best qualified for the job. He has permitted personal loyalty to supersede his loyalty to the system, and that is “nepotism” or “discrimination,” both of which are terrible sins in modern society. Would-be industrial societies that have done a poor job of subordinating personal or local loyalties to loyalty to the system are usually very inefficient. (Look at Latin America.) Thus an advanced industrial society can tolerate only those small-scale communities that are emasculated, tamed and made into tools of the system. [7]
53. Crowding, rapid change and the breakdown of communities have been widely recognized as sources of social problems. But we do not believe they are enough to account for the extent of the problems that are seen today.
54. A few pre-industrial cities were very large and crowded, yet their inhabitants do not seem to have suffered from psychological problems to the same extent as modern man. In America today there still are uncrowded rural areas, and we find there the same problems as in urban areas, though the problems tend to be less acute in the rural areas. Thus crowding does not seem to be the decisive factor.
55. On the growing edge of the American frontier during the 19th century, the mobility of the population probably broke down extended families and small-scale social groups to at least the same extent as these are broken down today. In fact, many nuclear families lived by choice in such isolation, having no neighbors within several miles, that they belonged to no community at all, yet they do not seem to have developed problems as a result.
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No.15656
>>15655
56. Furthermore, change in American frontier society was very rapid and deep. A man might be born and raised in a log cabin, outside the reach of law and order and fed largely on wild meat; and by the time he arrived at old age he might be working at a regular job and living in an ordered community with effective law enforcement. This was a deeper change than that which typically occurs in the life of a modern individual, yet it does not seem to have led to psychological problems. In fact, 19th century American society had an optimistic and self-confident tone, quite unlike that of today’s society. [8]
57. The difference, we argue, is that modern man has the sense (largely justified) that change is IMPOSED on him, whereas the 19th century frontiersman had the sense (also largely justified) that he created change himself, by his own choice. Thus a pioneer settled on a piece of land of his own choosing and made it into a farm through his own effort. In those days an entire county might have only a couple of hundred inhabitants and was a far more isolated and autonomous entity than a modern county is. Hence the pioneer farmer participated as a member of a relatively small group in the creation of a new, ordered community. One may well question whether the creation of this community was an improvement, but at any rate it satisfied the pioneer’s need for the power process.
58. It would be possible to give other examples of societies in which there has been rapid change and/or lack of close community ties without the kind of massive behavioral aberration that is seen in today’s industrial society. We contend that the most important cause of social and psychological problems in modern society is the fact that people have insufficient opportunity to go through the power process in a normal way. We don’t mean to say that modern society is the only one in which the power process has been disrupted. Probably most if not all civilized societies have interfered with the power process to a greater or lesser extent. But in modern industrial society the problem has become particularly acute. Leftism, at least in its recent (mid- to late-20th century) form, is in part a symptom of deprivation with respect to the power process.
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No.15657
>>15656
DISRUPTION OF THE POWER PROCESS IN MODERN SOCIETY
59. We divide human drives into three groups: (1) those drives that can be satisfied with minimal effort; (2) those that can be satisfied but only at the cost of serious effort; (3) those that cannot be adequately satisfied no matter how much effort one makes. The power process is the process of satisfying the drives of the second group. The more drives there are in the third group, the more there is frustration, anger, eventually defeatism, depression, etc.
60. In modern industrial society natural human drives tend to be pushed into the first and third groups, and the second group tends to consist increasingly of artificially created drives.
61. In primitive societies, physical necessities generally fall into group 2: They can be obtained, but only at the cost of serious effort. But modern society tends to guaranty the physical necessities to everyone [9] in exchange for only minimal effort, hence physical needs are pushed into group 1. (There may be disagreement about whether the effort needed to hold a job is “minimal”; but usually, in lower- to middle- level jobs, whatever effort is required is merely that of OBEDIENCE. You sit or stand where you are told to sit or stand and do what you are told to do in the way you are told to do it. Seldom do you have to exert yourself seriously, and in any case you have hardly any autonomy in work, so that the need for the power process is not well served.)
62. Social needs, such as sex, love and status, often remain in group 2 in modern society, depending on the situation of the individual. [10] But, except for people who have a particularly strong drive for status, the effort required to fulfill the social drives is insufficient to satisfy adequately the need for the power process.
63. So certain artificial needs have been created that fall into group 2, hence serve the need for the power process. Advertising and marketing techniques have been developed that make many people feel they need things that their grandparents never desired or even dreamed of. It requires serious effort to earn enough money to satisfy these artificial needs, hence they fall into group 2. (But see paragraphs 80-82.) Modern man must satisfy his need for the power process largely through pursuit of the artificial needs created by the advertising and marketing industry [11], and through surrogate activities.
64. It seems that for many people, maybe the majority, these artificial forms of the power process are insufficient. A theme that appears repeatedly in the writings of the social critics of the second half of the 20th century is the sense of purposelessness that afflicts many people in modern society. (This purposelessness is often called by other names such as “anomic” or “middle-class vacuity.”) We suggest that the so-called “identity crisis” is actually a search for a sense of purpose, often for commitment to a suitable surrogate activity. It may be that existentialism is in large part a response to the purposelessness of modern life. [12] Very widespread in modern society is the search for “fulfillment.” But we think that for the majority of people an activity whose main goal is fulfillment (that is, a surrogate activity) does not bring completely satisfactory fulfillment. In other words, it does not fully satisfy the need for the power process. (See paragraph 41.) That need can be fully satisfied only through activities that have some external goal, such as physical necessities, sex, love, status, revenge, etc.
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No.15658
>>15657
65. Moreover, where goals are pursued through earning money, climbing the status ladder or functioning as part of the system in some other way, most people are not in a position to pursue their goals AUTONOMOUSLY. Most workers are someone else’s employee and, as we pointed out in paragraph 61, must spend their days doing what they are told to do in the way they are told to do it. Even people who are in business for themselves have only limited autonomy. It is a chronic complaint of small-business persons and entrepreneurs that their hands are tied by excessive government regulation. Some of these regulations are doubtless unnecessary, but for the most part government regulations are essential and inevitable parts of our extremely complex society. A large portion of small business today operates on the franchise system. It was reported in the Wall Street Journal a few years ago that many of the franchise-granting companies require applicants for franchises to take a personality test that is designed to EXCLUDE those who have creativity and initiative, because such persons are not sufficiently docile to go along obediently with the franchise system. This excludes from small business many of the people who most need autonomy.
66. Today people live more by virtue of what the system does FOR them or TO them than by virtue of what they do for themselves. And what they do for themselves is done more and more along channels laid down by the system. Opportunities tend to be those that the system provides, the opportunities must be exploited in accord with rules and regulations [13], and techniques prescribed by experts must be followed if there is to be a chance of success.
67. Thus the power process is disrupted in our society through a deficiency of real goals and a deficiency of autonomy in the pursuit of goals. But it is also disrupted because of those human drives that fall into group 3: the drives that one cannot adequately satisfy no matter how much effort one makes. One of these drives is the need for security. Our lives depend on decisions made by other people; we have no control over these decisions and usually we do not even know the people who make them. (“We live in a world in which relatively few people—maybe 500 or 1,000—make the important decisions”—Philip B. Heymann of Harvard Law School, quoted by Anthony Lewis, New York Times, April 21, 1995.) Our lives depend on whether safety standards at a nuclear power plant are properly maintained; on how much pesticide is allowed to get into our food or how much pollution into our air; on how skillful (or incompetent) our doctor is; whether we lose or get a job may depend on decisions made by government economists or corporation executives; and so forth. Most individuals are not in a position to secure themselves against these threats to more [than] a very limited extent. The individual’s search for security is therefore frustrated, which leads to a sense of powerlessness.
68. It may be objected that primitive man is physically less secure than modern man, as is shown by his shorter life expectancy; hence modern man suffers from less, not more than the amount of insecurity that is normal for human beings. But psychological security does not closely correspond with physical security. What makes us FEEL secure is not so much objective security as a sense of confidence in our ability to take care of ourselves. Primitive man, threatened by a fierce animal or by hunger, can fight in self-defense or travel in search of food. He has no certainty of success in these efforts, but he is by no means helpless against the things that threaten him. The modern individual on the other hand is threatened by many things against which he is helpless: nuclear accidents, carcinogens in food, environmental pollution, war, increasing taxes, invasion of his privacy by large organizations, nationwide social or economic phenomena that may disrupt his way of life.
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No.15659
>>15658
69. It is true that primitive man is powerless against some of the things that threaten him; disease for example. But he can accept the risk of disease stoically. It is part of the nature of things, it is no one’s fault, unless it is the fault of some imaginary, impersonal demon. But threats to the modern individual tend to be MAN-MADE. They are not the results of chance but are IMPOSED on him by other persons whose decisions he, as an individual, is unable to influence. Consequently he feels frustrated, humiliated and angry.
70. Thus primitive man for the most part has his security in his own hands (either as an individual or as a member of a SMALL group) whereas the security of modern man is in the hands of persons or organizations that are too remote or too large for him to be able personally to influence them. So modern man’s drive for security tends to fall into groups 1 and 3; in some areas (food, shelter etc.) his security is assured at the cost of only trivial effort, whereas in other areas he CANNOT attain security. (The foregoing greatly simplifies the real situation, but it does indicate in a rough, general way how the condition of modern man differs from that of primitive man.)
71. People have many transitory drives or impulses that are necessarily frustrated in modern life, hence fall into group 3. One may become angry, but modern society cannot permit fighting. In many situations it does not even permit verbal aggression. When going somewhere one may be in a hurry, or one may be in a mood to travel slowly, but one generally has no choice but to move with the flow of traffic and obey the traffic signals. One may want to do one’s work in a different way, but usually one can work only according to the rules laid down by one’s employer. In many other ways as well, modern man is strapped down by a network of rules and regulations (explicit or implicit) that frustrate many of his impulses and thus interfere with the power process. Most of these regulations cannot be dispensed with, because they are necessary for the functioning of industrial society.
72. Modern society is in certain respects extremely permissive. In matters that are irrelevant to the functioning of the system we can generally do what we please. We can believe in any religion we like (as long as it does not encourage behavior that is dangerous to the system). We can go to bed with anyone we like (as long as we practice “safe sex”). We can do anything we like as long as it is UNIMPORTANT. But in all IMPORTANT matters the system tends increasingly to regulate our behavior.
73. Behavior is regulated not only through explicit rules and not only by the government. Control is often exercised through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation, and by organizations other than the government, or by the system as a whole. Most large organizations use some form of propaganda [14] to manipulate public attitudes or behavior. Propaganda is not limited to “commercials” and advertisements, and sometimes it is not even consciously intended as propaganda by the people who make it. For instance, the content of entertainment programming is a powerful form of propaganda. An example of indirect coercion: There is no law that says we have to go to work every day and follow our employer’s orders. Legally there is nothing to prevent us from going to live in the wild like primitive people or from going into business for ourselves. But in practice there is very little wild country left, and there is room in the economy for only a limited number of small business owners. Hence most of us can survive only as someone else’s employee.
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No.15660
>>15659
it's all bullshit.
primitive, industrial, technology, advanced.
words don't matter.
people do.
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No.15662
>>15660
did you just called holy words a bullshit?
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No.15666
>>15662
don't be so inclined to what's trendy.
it's just words coming from a tool who tried to kill people, but his soul got saved by his brother.
that's what it is.
killing people to enforce your point of view.
wow.
enlightened being right there.
walking out is just too simple for some to bear.
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No.15676
>>15666
Thanks based satan but I'm very stupid human being, I stopped using my brain long time ago, all I have left are emotions.
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No.15685
>>15423
It's always been shit. Now it's actually not that bad, in terms of survival. Now that all your primal needs are mostly satisfied, you get to experience the existential dread, something that only philosophers and wealthy people got to feel in the past, while everyone else were struggling for food and not getting killed in millions of wars and occasional slaughters. Consciousness was a mistake. At least you can thank the Universe for not being born in Africa or some Middle-East shithole. Things can always get worse, remember that.
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No.15715
If all the shit mentioned in this thread isn't bad enough, look at this study from 1972 that predicts that there's going to be a societal collapse in 2030. It's pretty scary, and it doesn't even include climate change as one of the factors.
>In 1972, The Limits to Growth modeled the effects of unlimited human expansion on the planet's finite resources. Now, 50 years later, the predicted models are still a near match with reality.
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No.15720
>>15715
This is only a major fear to people who support a system based on infinite unsustainable growth AKA Capitalism.
Of course, with proper distribution of property, efficiency could take over where mindless growth was once the norm.
Unfortunately, something tells me it's not gonna happen without a few massive wars and genocides. In fact, if we simply dismantled the concept of economic growth and focused only on real growth, we've still got quite a few decades of real growth before true scarcity is achieved. Still, the bourgeoisie and megacorps aren't just going to hand over their wealth to the masses. The Pinkerton strike-breakers are back, and blackwater is bigger than ever - corporate mercenary lackeys will be using force against those with left-wing economic views and protecting the bourgeoisie in the face of popular class action, on a regular basis. It'll be bloody, but humanity will hopefully prevail.
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No.15726
>>15715
yeah yeah.
study funded by IMF/UN/jews.
end of the world.
sure, sure.
here is the model of it, so it must be true.
eat it all shit bags.
>>15720
>capitalism
>bad
wow.
deport yourself then, if you don't like the system you live in now.
check out.
oh wow.
you won't do it.
you are just a commie.
let's destroy the current system, because i don't like it and i have this study saying that we will all die, soon.
so let's all wake up and be responsible.
fucking fuckhead.
just end it.
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No.15732
>>15726
what do you have against the study? isn't it a doomer's dream for societal collapse to happen? isn't this the point of accelerationism?
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No.15734
>>15732
who cares about another made up ism fad.
it will all end up one way or the other.
there is no point of any study as it's happening in cycles all the time anyways.
no study will prevent it, accelerate it, delay it.
it's pointless.
why would you even need to read or fund a study about how it's all going to end?
the best study about this phenomena is perfectly documented in bible already.
it's the most optimistic book for a doomer.
>The words of the Bible are the very words of God our Creator speaking to us. They are completely truthful;1 they are pure;2 they are powerful;3 and they are wise and righteous.4 We should read these words with reverence and awe.5 and with joy and delight.6
it's a joy ride and delightful read about how it's all going to end, one day.
the very end of the cycle is described in the very first genesis, so you don't have to read much to get the idea.
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No.15735
>>15734
okay, nice opinion. i just think it's interesting to know what the causes of the collapse will be and at what time the collapse will happen, and i'm sure others do too. we have 10 years left, give or take. i'm not so sure if this will be part of a cycle, seems more like it'll be the catalyst for the end of humanity as a whole.
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No.15736
>>15726
>>15734
>capitalism 'n' bible
>"jesus christ OP if you don't like the system just check out! simple, duh"
what a fucking boomer, also a nigger
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No.15741
>>15736
>capitalism 'n' bible
what is it you don't like?
should i mention the slavery too?
>"jesus christ OP if you don't like the system just check out! simple, duh"
and what's wrong with this one?
i suppose you've never had a job, so you don't even understand the meaning of quitting a herd a group or people you don't agree with about state of things or where the things are heading.
holding a believe that nation isn't something as simple as a sports team and you are just a observing fan is too childish to even to mention.
are you just some kvetching random without having anything to argue about?
do you just kvetch, as it's the only thing the god gifted you with?
you also like to point out others about colors. should i take it that you like it more diverse or do you feel more special while using it? please tell me.. next time, you should consider capitals, that will surely appeal more to some of your kind.
throw something real or go hide back to your mommy and daddy.
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No.15743
>>15741
>i suppose
you suppose wrong
Nothing but one big strawman from beginning to end. Try harder next time pal.
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No.15744
>>15743
why not.
you ask, you shall receive.
>capitalism 'n' bible
what is it you don't like?
>"jesus christ OP if you don't like the system just check out! simple, duh"
what's wrong with this one?
where is the strawman now?
point it out, so i can try even harder the 3rd time.
appreciated.
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No.15745
>>15744
You have strawman full of as you called it "random kvetching" and assumptions right here: >>15741
>what is it you don't like?
I don't like to support current ill system in the first place; and in the case of bible my problem is building up "universal truths" and using as source just bible. I'm not going to turn into total defeatist right now because bible said so. In fact, it makes me want to try even harder to break this idea. Yes, everything is going in circles, bible is not original source of this idea, but that's not my issue. My issue is that giving up and being total slave is the core essence of desert trilogy, especially Christianity. This is not going to work for me.
>what's wrong with this one?
The level of defeatism yet and again. You are not just saying "well it's fucked up, this is how it is", you are instead the problem and the poison. You tell people here basically to not only accept this state/system, but to be one with it, with bible in your hands. It's not only blue pill but I'm going to say I'm smelling here the jewish stench.
Next thing, you can't just check out. You have no way out other than suicide. It's not like you can move to another country and everything will be beautiful, all problems will be solved, etc. Yet again I have to say you are not only bluepilling here but again I smell The subverting Jew. I can't help myself to be not disgusted because you preach death but at the same time I'm not really surprised because you are biblefag. Write whatever you want but this is possibly the biggest pile of crap I've ever read here; and I say that after having a few heated arguments with capitalists before.
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No.15761
>>15726
Triggered neoliberal cuck.
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No.15804
All I see is ***
My future? The now isn''t even certain.
If time travel is real why are we here. To change the course of history.
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No.15851
>>15423
it's not that things are bad now and weren't back then
it's that back then we used to have hope that things would improve in the future… or at least there weren't so many reasons to think otherwise
now shit got so bad that even blue pilled normies are taking the black pill
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No.17620
>>15423
I don't know if the world will completely end soon, but it will get worse. I don't think things are the worst they have ever been, but they will be in the near future. Nothing will stop it from coming, but some people may survive if action is taken now.
>>15512
This theme interests me more than others. Our spiritual death will trigger something we can't anticipate. Mankind is fully capable of and responsible for its own destruction yet is too weak to save itself. I think spiritual death will welcome in spirits or beings from another dimension that will overcome us: we invited them in yet are powerless to return them.
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No.17625
>>15715
How the fuck does industrial output and pollution go near zero with the population not collapsing to under a billion almost immediately?
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No.17677
>>17625
If anything the collapse of society would cause a momentary surge of pollution as systems fail and people burn everything they can find to stay warm. People are like roaches, they won't just go "Oh the system collapsed, welp time to die lol" they will fight to survive. That means killing anything/everything for food, burning anything/everything for heat.
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