No.48391 [Last50 Posts]
Thoughts on Esperanto? Any speakers? Where do you shazbots hang out?
I always associated it as being /cyber/ given the international nature while being particularly well-facilitated by the modern age.
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No.48392
>>48391
>Jew language
English is best language faggot, there is no need to push this garbage.
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No.48393
Tried to learn it, but it just wouldn't stay in my head.
Esperanto is very "socialite" in it's nature, with the way it was created as a hobby project by a single man and it's bleeding heart purpose of united the world.
It would work well in a Utopian setting, where humanity resolved their differences and come together to work on real problems.
In a cyberpunk setting, where exact opposite is happening, I'd expect to see something way less organized but more natural, i.e. a pidgin language.
And if we take hi-tech into account, there's no need for you to learn new language since you can just install translator app(c) for your phone(tm), except
>translator app is shit
>language adapt to be better translated by shitty app
>developers have to adapt app for changed language
What kind of equilibrium such a feedback loop would reach can be an interesting area to explore.
But realistically, it will be just another pidgin anyway though.
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No.48394
>>48392
It's the worst language, but in a "Worse is Better" kind of way.
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No.48398
I can't believe you bring that shitty language here ! Why do consider this as a cyber language ? I see it like a 'try-hard' international language.
If you ask me which language should be learned, I suggest you Engelsaxen or 'A'nglish
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No.48404
I remember seeing a few esperanto speaking telegram groups last year, maybe they're still up.
conlangs are weird, even well constructed I can't imagine one being massively adopted since there's few speakers initially and no cultural appeal
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No.48410
A more /cyber/ language would be lobjan tbh
>>48393
>In a cyberpunk setting, where exact opposite is happening, I'd expect to see something way less organized but more natural, i.e. a pidgin language.
Absolutely this.
>>48392
back to /pol/
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No.48411
>>48410
>Lojban is proposed … to explore the intersection of human language and software.
Oh yes.
Also, while scrolling through wiki found this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Technical_English
>trademarked
>regulated for use in the aerospace and defense industries
OH YES.
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No.48412
>>48411
>ASD STE-100 Simplified Technical English
What a cool cyber name for a language.
How do you structure a phrase in STD ?
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No.48424
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No.48427
>>48391
You want to pretend to be cool and ununderstandable? Just learn Classic Latin.
Imperialist civilized language > tired low energy bleeding heart language
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No.48429
>>48427
>ununderstandable
Eh, one of Esperanto's "selling points" was how by learning it you'll be partially learning other European languages as a bonus.
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No.48430
>>48427
Esperanto is far from being ununderstandable
Latin isn't hart to understand either.
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No.48452
>>48410
back to /leftypol/
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No.48778
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Stumbled upon video of this guy dumping on esperanto, completely by accident.
Leave it to a fucking feminist to normally explain the issues with it, because only thing I heard from /pol/aroids is muh-jews and muh-globalism.
Also guy is very hyped about tokipona in another video, but I found it to be too simplistic to be usable when I looked into it a few years back.
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No.48780
the story of babel is a warning. people have learned this lesson in the past and passed it down to us: peoples of the world that try to unite to reach new heights are struck down, if not by God, then by the consequences of their own desires. esperanto is part of the cancer.
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No.48781
>>48780
I always read story of Babel as kind of Humanity Fuck Yeah tale, where people get together and make God shit his pants with their ability to self organize and work collectively on mega projects.
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No.48903
>>48391
fuck globalist bullshit like this
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No.48930
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No.49647
Cyber languages are English, Chinese , Russian in that order
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No.49653
>>49647
And…what about Japanese ? Or it's too anime related
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No.49654
>>49653
If i get to be Cyber gate keeper then I say no. It was in the 80s , when japan was the future, and high tech.
English - Virtually everything official is translated into english. All science, technology and business you are intended to read is in english.
Chinese - The future. Currently Enthusiast forums that have knowledge not available in English for technology. We should be learning it.
Russian - Significant amount of physic and information technology knowledge available, but more importantly institutions for cybercrime.
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No.49659
>>49654
By those criteria you could also include spanish, arabic, french, german and tons of other languages.
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No.49666
>>49659
Why? Spanish is more spoken than english, but the vast majority majority of literature including the scientific literature is avialable in english. Many students in countries where english is not spoken recieve lectures in english, read textbooks in english and publish in english. The widely spoken nature of spanish, arabic isn't at play, its the frequency of scientific and technological literature published and translated into.
French is historically the language of mathematics, german the language of physics, but I am still banking on a chinese future and an english present.
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No.49667
>>48391
>2018
>speaking outdated hippie language
>not overclocking your brain by speaking Ithkuil
Don't be a shazbot OP
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No.50116
>>49667
Moreover, in line with this, John Quijada (Ithkuil's creator) has stated he does not believe a speaker would think necessarily any faster, because even though Ithkuil is terse, a single word requires a lot more thought before it can be spoken than it would in a natural language.[38]
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No.50249
Saluton al la saiberpankuloj
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No.50269
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No.50289
>>50269
Kial vi ne ŝatas 'saiberpanko' kiel vorto? Ĉu vi preferas 'siberpunko'?
Mi pensas ke ĝi (la unua manieron) similas la Japanan iel. Ĝi mojosas.
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No.50290
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No.50292
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No.53811
>>48392
I don't even like Esperanto, but you really need to get back to your containment website.
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No.53812
>>48452
/cyber/ is an extension of /leftpol/, newfag
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No.53832
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No.53835
>>53832
/leftypol/ is literally just /pol/ but communist. Same jewish conspiracy. Same black hate. Same shit but different economical ideology.
Also how the fuck did you manage to leak all the way from 4chan into here?
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No.53837
>>48391
dumb commie shit. the free market determined english to be the lingua franca.
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No.53838
>>53812
ahahahah /lgtb/ is an extension of /trannypol/ you dumb nigger
/cyber/ always has been an anarcho capitalist board
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No.53892
>>53838
Although this matches my political alignment, I'm fairly certain there are a lot of anticapitalist people who are in cyberspace.
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No.53898
>>48391
Esperanto is fucking gay, what really caught my eye as a conlang with linga franca potential is Latin Sine Flexione, latin whitout inflections, which is basically simplified latin. It sounds very similar to many romance language and is easily learned by anyone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latino_sine_flexione
There's also LFN (Lingua Franca Nova) which is similar but sounds too spanish and italian for my tastes.
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No.54480
>>48781
then you did not learn anything from the story.
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No.54745
esperanto is gay shit for retards what are salty that english is prevalent but who are too pussy to be nationalist enough to push for their native tongue (or who are english speakers who are sorry for being white)
>>53837
actually imperialism did, not the free market/capitalism. for a while french and dutch ran pretty fucking strong because of heavy colonization and those empires having a lot of shit to buy and sell
>>48411
wow i love this bro i feel it and it is very groov–
https://www.plainlanguage.gov/guidelines/design/
>Use ragged right margins where possible, rather than centering or justifying your text.
fuck ALL THE WAY off
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No.54746
>>48780
but history has consistently shown that grouping up to have a bigger, stronger, or wealthier tribe than the next bunch over is what strengthens nations
countries ally with eachother, companies buy and merge with eachother, and the "divide and conquer" strategy works just as well to destroy places/groups/things
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No.54770
>>53812
Fuck off, sodomite.
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No.54771
>>53838
>/cyber/ always has been an anarcho capitalist board
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No.54897
>>53898
>Latin Sine Flexione
Pretty much esperanto anyway. Why not just learn Actual Latin ? If people actually gave a fuck they could. Average people in countries that are not the US speak 2-4 languages. Its not an irrealstic idea to think many Americans could speak spanish/chinese in the future as 2nd, or 3rd languages.
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No.55127
>>49666
Spanish and Arabic, etc. might be far more useful as "on the ground" languages depending on where you are and whether you might have to low-life. It should be immediately clear to you if that's the case though. I wouldn't prescribe them as part of the cyberpunk package more than being aware of your surroundings.
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No.55128
>>48778
i remember him, doesnt seem too feminist. i remember how in votgil a certain number was vore. 42, i think
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No.55131
DuoLingo is a great resource for learning most languages
Lernu.net is a classic website for learning esperanto.
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No.55167
>>49666
No, English has almost twice as many speakers as Spanish. Spanish indeed has ~30% more native speakers, but i still don't think that justifies your statement.
maybe you have another metric by which you judge it more spoken though.
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No.55170
>>55167
>>55167
Spanish is the 2nd most spoken native language. Native is an important distinction.
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No.55173
>>55170
Why'd anyone learn language that only mexicans and gypsies speak? If you do that, pick even greater subhumans and go full-on african niggers, indians or chinks, degenerate.
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No.55182
>>48391
lol it was a jewish project, totally dead. go larping on 4chan, negro
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No.55184
>>55182
its comically unreal to rant non-sense about esperanto being a "jewish" project while calling someone else a larper.
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No.55186
English is modern esperanto. For example it's one of the easiest languages to learn which a lot of people can speak. I understand almoust everything but have really huge problems with writting and talking despite hours of sitting on 8chan. Btw esperanto was invented by (((Zamenhof)))
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._L._Zamenhof
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No.55192
>>55186
English isn't a modern Esperanto, English existed prior to esperanto and evolved organically as a natural language.
Esperanto is an artificial constructed language with a small, hyper regular grammar, and simplified tense system designed for practical communication - Esperanto doesn't have the rich tenses of a natural language.
Esperanto is faster to learn by a factor of like 2, because of its lack of expressiveness.
It was hoped by Zamenhoff that esperanto would become an international auxiliary language so that people could communicate directly without translators, and without a party having a linguistic advantage owing to better understanding of a language than another. This was supposed to facilitate diplomacy and understanding.
Ironically, this rather than being hated by right-wing extremests as cosmopolitan globalism it should actually be favored and encouraged because it allows unique national languages to exist while creating markedly secondary global culture. It preserves rather than eradicates national differences. The internet global communications technology are likely instead to erode national languages in the long run -(cf. Koreans using English Words, Frence bitching about words related to English , etc.)
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No.55408
Esperanto is pretty retarded. Just stick to English and probably Spanish and Mandarin. Hindi wouldn't be bad either.
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No.55426
latin is the best language
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No.55428
>>55186
>it's one of the easiest languages to learn
this is false and even english speakers who speak literally anything else usually describe the other language as being easier, even if less practiced or less easy to practice
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No.55480
>>48391
No need of it when English exists
>hurr durr go back to /pol/
I'm not English native. Only Anglos think the is something right wing about English. Most of the da rest of the world considers it the /cyber/ language. No reason to promote this garbage language when East India Company made sure the world speaks in English other than a change for the sake of change.
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No.55481
>>55192
>Ironically, this rather than being hated by right-wing extremests as cosmopolitan globalism it should actually be favored and encouraged because it allows unique national languages to exist while creating markedly secondary global culture. It preserves rather than eradicates national differences. The internet global communications technology are likely instead to erode national languages in the long run
Based. That's exactly what we as /cyber/ should be doing.
https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/a-language-left-behind-why-hindi-is-reduced-to-a-medium-for-mere-mass-entertainment
English is the best language to btfo right wingers in all nations
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No.55998
>>48391
kike globalism, the language
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No.56003
Look up the history of Esperanto. It is a Kike developed language for the One World under AntiChrist.
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No.56017
Hey just to add my seed, here's another interesting language: toki pona
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No.56020
>>54746
>but history has consistently shown that grouping up to have a bigger, stronger, or wealthier tribe than the next bunch over is what strengthens nations
You got memed on. Unification is only long-term beneficial in certain contexts and up to a certain point, the classic contrasting examples being Europe and China. It's rather more complicated than this, but China fucked itself by unifying. Whereas Europe would have done the same thing and stagnated, but benefited from a peculiar geography that historically prevented it going full-retard with EU sooner.
Empires and super-mega states like US/USSR/EU have some benefits, of course. They're better at doing some things than their small constituent nations would as separate republics or whatever. And if you wanna rule the world, you do it with a super-state. But, long term it's not what you want if you're truly interested in humanity progressing. It's really only what you want if you're trying to build an all-powerful security state. It's what you want if you want to put humanity on lock-down. Otherwise, you need the smaller nations as "labs" to do things differently and compete, which brings-out the best.
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No.56045
I've always associated Esperanto with "Red Dwarf", because I've literally never heard it spoken or seen it used anywhere else.
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No.56148
>>56017
mi olin toki pona
it's very easy to learn, and despite the fact i only spent an hour or so looking through the book, I already feel like i can speak some simple languages some genetically engineered mutated ratbeasts would be speaking in the far future.
http://lolcathost.org/t/toki-pona-lessons.pdf
definitely worth a read.
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No.56154
>>56017
>>56148
Why does this language sound so cute?
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No.56182
>>56154
toki pona e suwi tan toka pona e pona!
It's honestly the kinda language your kids could make up.
In all honesty it probably sounds cute because of the compromises made to make it easier, such as words not being able to end in anything but simple vowels and n, also the alphabet only consists of like 14 characters.
It has its own script as well, though that's not important.
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No.56183
I completely botched that toki pona btw, should be
toki pona li suwi tan toka pona li pona!
I got my e and li mixed up.
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No.56199
Esperanto isn't "international", it's anti-national. English is the lingua franca and the official /cyber/ language as it comprises the keywords of every programming language.
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No.56200
>>56199
>english
>comprises the keywords of every programming language.
>every programming language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-English-based_programming_languages
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No.56222
>>56200
Every language that anybody actually uses.
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No.56229
>>56222
Just because technology is westernized due to its western origins, doesn't mean asian software isn't programmed in languages you don't use.
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No.56230
>>56229
who cares >>56222 point still stands, nice trips btw.
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