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Uhh, guys? We have a stowaway † 02/14/21 (Sun) 19:52:31 336c5f No.853308

There are supposed to be 12 apostles in Christianity and yet we have 13

>Acts 1:20-26 20 "For it is written in the book of Psalms: 'Let his dwelling place be desolate, And let no one live in it'; and, 'Let another take his office.' 21 "Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection." 23 And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24 And they prayed and said, "You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place." 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

The book of acts clearly states that Matthias, who was with Jesus since Jesus was baptized by John, would be the 12th apostle.

>Revelations 21:14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Everyone knows that 13 is considered a satanic number. Either Paul or Matthias was a false apostle. And seeing as how Matthias was made apostle by the other 12 and Paul just claimed to be an apostle, and (being a Jew) made up some story about a heavenly visitation.

Having 13 apostles is evidence of deception by the devil. The number 13 is a curse on the church and if Christians hadn't been robbed of their understanding of the spiritual significance of numbers, this con would have been rooted out long ago. Paul needs to go and his writing needs to go with him. He was the typical sleazy, lying jew. He pretended to be Christian so that he could poison Christianity and make it a servant of his babylonian occultism, and it has remained so to this very day.

All throughout history people have doubted paul and pointed out the inconsistencies between his religion and that of the Gospels. This is because paul was a phony and his letters begging alms from churches should not be in the bible. If you think I'm wrong, feel free to explain why.

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† 02/14/21 (Sun) 22:50:00 25abf8 No.853313

The number of apostles isn't an essential of the Christian faith, Jesus is.

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† 02/14/21 (Sun) 23:04:21 fffbb8 No.853317

>>853308

OP can't do math.

>And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

>eleven apostles

11 Apostles - Judas = 10 Apostles + Matthias = 11 Apostles + Paul = 12 Apostles

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† 02/15/21 (Mon) 00:06:38 eed68a No.853322

>>853308

>Everyone knows that 13 is considered a satanic number.

no

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† 02/15/21 (Mon) 00:40:19 336c5f No.853323

>>853313

>The number of apostles isn't an essential of the Christian faith,

It's a measure that God has given us to weigh what we've been taught. Early Christians believed that numbers had spiritual importance. That's the entire reason the 11 apostles drew lots to choose another apostle. That's also why the bible gives us a number to identify the antichrist. We know there are supposed to be twelve apostles. We know that's what Jesus intended, what the apostles intended as well and the number of apostles confirmed by the book of revelation.

Modern Christianity has one fake apostle and it's got to be paul.

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† 02/15/21 (Mon) 00:41:27 336c5f No.853324

>>853317

book of acts genius, judas was already dead by then.

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† SAGE! 02/15/21 (Mon) 00:59:07 000000 No.853327

There is the 12 Apostles called by Jesus

Luke 6:12-16

Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

12 And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and he passed the whole night in the prayer of God.

13 And when day was come, he called unto him his disciples; and he chose twelve of them (whom also he named apostles):

14 Simon, whom he surnamed Peter, and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,

15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alpheus, and Simon who is called Zelotes,

16 And Jude, the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, who was the traitor.

So, you have Peter, Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James, Simon, Jude and Judas. That's twelve.

Christ clearly did not intend for his church to be limited to 12, or to die out with his 12 chosen apostles. That's where we pick up in Acts e.g. the Apostle Paul.

I don't see the problem.

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† SAGE! 02/15/21 (Mon) 09:18:49 28b2b5 No.853342

Can't believe you fell for this muslim's bait

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† 02/15/21 (Mon) 21:37:14 336c5f No.853355

>>853327

>Christ clearly did not intend for his church to be limited to 12,

And that's where you're wrong. The book of Revelations is very specific.

>The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb

There are 12 apostles. Not 13 or any number aside from 12. 12 is a significant number- the number of the tribes of Israel and the number of foundations in the wall around the heavenly Jerusalem. You can't just change that from 12 to 13. Something doesn't add up here. Either Paul or Matthias was not an apostle. One of them is a fraud and it can't be Mathias because he never claimed to be an apostle, the other apostles said he was. Paul declared himself an apostle though.>>853327

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† 02/15/21 (Mon) 23:30:14 d1c324 No.853358

>>853355

Yes, there were 12 foundations as Christ picked 12 original apostles and gave them the task of spreading his word.

But that didn't mean that the church was supposed to end with them, or that they weren't supposed to pass on the duty to feed his sheep, to forgive sins in his name, or to bury the dead. Jesus intended his church to last until the end of time.

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† 02/16/21 (Tue) 18:48:22 336c5f No.853378

>>853358

the book of revelations says that at the end of this age there will be 12 apostles, just like at the beginning of this age. Their are plenty of lying preachers and denominations that falsely claim that some preacher or another is an apostle, but there isn't a shred of truth to it.

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† SAGE! 02/16/21 (Tue) 20:14:08 b0a430 No.853380

>>853378

An example would be Mohamet, the false prophet of false gods, and creator of the false religion of Islam

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† 02/16/21 (Tue) 21:51:06 d1c324 No.853386

>>853378

I'm sorry, but I go by the Church's interpretations. If I was to retard the personal interpretations of protestants, I'd be faced with a thousand different contradictory claims where most of them cannot be true.

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† 02/17/21 (Wed) 01:16:05 33e139 No.853393

>>853386

>I'm sorry, but I go by the Church's interpretations.

Oh, so you only listen to pedophiles and satanists? no wonder you're sorry

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† 02/17/21 (Wed) 02:18:28 d729c0 No.853395

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The only significance of 13 I know of is that this guy was scared of it. too bad music had 12 notes…

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† 02/17/21 (Wed) 03:11:07 d1c324 No.853399

>>853393

> Oh, so you only listen to pedophiles and satanists? no wonder you're sorry

You should be sorry for your sin of false witness and bald faced lies that all priest are pedophiles and satanist.

But I see now you speak with the mouth of satan in wickedness and hate.

I prayed for your soul that it may have life

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