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0cc5b0  No.849083

I was wondering if any of you have had any experiences with these thing. LSD, psilocybin, peyote, etc. I understand that using these substances is considered a sin, but I was curious if you have tried them before coming to the faith, or in a rebellious phase. And if so, how did they change your way of thinking? Did they make you more religious or less? Do you feel like you took anything positive or enlightening from the experience, or do you now see it as pure delusion?

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67398a  No.849090

>>849083

I started using shrooms while I was homeless earlier this year in an effort to kill my ego. I could feel the presence of the lord more closely and could see things on a more universal scale.

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4e0274  No.849091

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most psychoactive substances don't really 'change your way of thinking' of themselves, but rather give you an access to the subconscious and much as one might experience while just dropping off or waking up from sleep, in effect they put you into a waking dream state where everyday objects and interactions can seem to hold more significance

for example, a sleeper might dream of a dog with a diamond collar, and depending on the sleepers experience with dogs, collars and diamonds, they attach a feeling or a memory from real life, and this symbolism allows the sleeping mind to quickly process thoughts on a subject while dealing with them in a controlled environment that perhaps isn't as threatening or visceral as it would be if the mind simply presented your most recent interaction with a nasty boss who likes to boast about his wealth while barking orders at everyone whom he deems socially inferior

conversely, when one takes a substance like LSD they enter into a half-waking state for several hours, and the mind somewhat assuming it's a real dream, begins to play by the rules of sleep and attributes symbolic meaning to a an empty plastic bag blowing in the wind, or the way someone smiles

at this point it really should be noted that LSD does cause some distortion in perception, not just to one's physical eyes, but to internal conceptualisation, and thus should not be trusted to reveal truth in all clarity, but more through a veiled or foggy euphoria that the wise person should be more than cautious of because if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

interestingly, this access to one's subconscious has been touted as a fantastic way to change thought patterns from the negative to the positive, with many reporting that they were able to process deep psychological hurts more readily, but in most of these self-reported cases, the user was in a controlled environment that was steered by a therapist

yet when we look at the common recreational user, unguided in their thoughts, and unprotected from negative external influences and negative internal thought patterns, the majority of such users report that the more they trip, the more they access their deeper uncomfortable and nightmarish feelings, since their subjectivity doesn't allow them to break out of beliefs they've formed and been building their lives around since their most formative years

all that to say, when one uses a psychoactive like LSD they might be able to address negative thoughts, and by extension; self destructive behaviours when gently prompted to by a well-versed therapist, but we need to understand that this is a radical treatment that could equally be harmful to the user since we are accessing the very building blocks of one's mind upon which everything else rests

were we to liken that to anything, it would be akin to messing around with the OS of a computer, or even changing settings on the BIOS; and even in a therapeutic setting, we should be concerned that the therapist isn't implementing or altering the source code of one's mind to line with their own skewed worldview

and of course, the recreational user is even more at risk, since an untrained mind could easily enact the equivalent of deleting System 32: as evidenced by the sheer volume of acid-burnouts that staggered away from the 1960's

forgive me for focussing so much on LSD, but since it's one of the most observed drugs in your list, and has similar and somewhat more refined and potent effects of all the others you mentioned, it seemed the best jumping off point, but if we lump most other psychoactives under the banner of 'Inducing Dream States' we can extend this conversation to one other substance; DMT

many users report back from using DMT as it having caused an ego death, most of these saying they feel like a changed person afterward and present an almost religious zeal for the wonder-working power of the drug

i would really like to note that this belief is proven false under the most rudimentary observation, since to experience a true death of the 'I' in oneself would make for an unobservable phenomena, since the 'I' would be so dissolute as to not be able to recognise anything and thus could not report back anything at all: thus we can discern that there was an 'ego' there the whole time

if that simple logic doesn't convince you that the spirituality of DMT users is fraudulent, i would suggest that you talk to one of them in the days after a trip to see an excess of egotism when they find you're not on the same spiritual plane as them maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

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67398a  No.849092

>>849083

I actually met with my pastor while I was high on shrooms and hash. I forgot I was supposed to ask for financial help but I had so many biblical questions and existential problems to give him. At one point he stopped me and said you seem like you aren't ready for help

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4e0274  No.849093

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>>849091

at this point it really should be noted that LSD does cause some distortion in perception, not just to one's physical eyes, but to internal conceptualisation, and thus should not be trusted to reveal truth in all clarity, but more through a veiled or foggy euphoria that the wise person should be more than cautious of because if it seems too good to be true, it probably is

fxd

i used the wrong format tag

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c4a066  No.849094

And now the truth finally comes to light. You're all just worthless hippies and really were only larpers all along. Fukk you and stay out of my holy church, degenerate trash.

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67398a  No.849095

>>849094

sigh.. this guy again

LOL never change /christian/

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c4a066  No.849097

>>849095

Yeah, this guy, the real Catholic tired of your degenerate heresy and bs. Keep your hellish bs away from my religion. Stop pretending you're anything but a an abominable reprobate satanic larper destined for the eternal fires of hell. Fukk you.

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67398a  No.849099

>>849097

I'm not catholic.

I'm off of drugs now and living in the spirit, which is frontal lobe stimulation btw.

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b8f0dd  No.849100

I have a suspicion that the "fukk" poster is a genius false flag troll who wants to steer reasonable people away from the papist whore church

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67398a  No.849102

>>849100

Naw its just some guy on an image board.

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b8f0dd  No.849103

>>849102

aren't we all brother

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2a0a37  No.849105

>>849083

I've used LSD many times. I did come to some realizations that I still believe in now but I don't think that it was because of the LSD. Acid puts you in the mood to think about stuff; It also makes you more analytical which is why your hallucinations seem so vivid on acid. It makes you want to find meaning behind everything and when retards take acid they will find retarded meanings behind retarded things.

As far as I know LSD is harmless but there is literally no reason to use it aside from the desire to get incapacitatingly high for the next 12 hours. Don't bother with it.

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9ff57c  No.849106

>>849091

For myself, taking mushrooms (what is considered a large dose) changed my way of thinking and brought what felt at the time like clarity. I barely had any visual hallucinations, I just started to have some towards the end of the trip but barely any. It mainly brought about the sense of ego death ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ego_death ) which I'm not sure how to contextualize in terms of Christianity, or if it fits with Christianity at all. It basically made me feel like I was thinking on a different level not usually available to me, and made me able to analyze my own thoughts and emotions and beliefs and realize how many of them were illusory attempts to defend myself from the truth about things. It was painful but felt beneficial. There wasn't really any religious component to it, although I'm aware that other people who have used mushrooms in studies have ended up with a stronger belief in God.

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a89432  No.849109

>>849099

modernism is a heresy btw

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67398a  No.849117

>>849109

Listen here faggot. Nothing you say or do will keep me from enjoying the fellowship of this board so may god bless you and have a nice day.

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9c503e  No.849207

If you go on psychedelic forums you wont see them being more enlightened than anyone else.

I tried them and they didnt make me more of a saint.

We grow in holiness by going through this path

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taW3uhqf8s4

Or this more in depth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baX_Yw_6z-o

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0766ed  No.849231

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>>849083

https://youtu.be/IOlcjXQS_QE

it is not a christian thing.feeling like pic related is not a christian thing. all they offer is dangerous escapism,placeboo,ruining brain chemistry and reward system.they can also be gateway drug. chronic use can cause shizophrenia ,decrease in mathematic ablities. My atheist friend who quit drugs few years ago said that you will want to kill yourself but won't know what a knife is.Suicides during bad trip are not a joke,nor recovering months/years from surving them. It is not a christian thing.

they can hurt you just as any other drug,though in different way. HPPD is not a joke.AIWS is not a joke.research MK-Ultra and trip raport from bad trips if you have any doubts about psychodelic not being a christian thing.Don't take the forbidden fruit.You are stil pure,even if drunk or jacked off.they are shilled en masse by pagans,atheists,new age and all that evil global cabal.Don't get fooled by "neurogenesis", although Psychodelics can make more connections in between your neurons , these connections will be generated randomly , making you a weirdo , trip by trip without realising and slowly outcasting you from people you love so much. Look what happend to Syd Barret, he was a prodigy, had carrier and whole life ahead of him but started triping so freqently that he became shizo so much that he would stare at people without saying anything at concerts,that his bandmates were forced to kick him out of Pink Floyd,ruining his career forever to save the band.Don't get fooled into thinking that they are different from other drugs.its like a thot saying that she is not like they other girls.while opioids or stimulants can make you feel good no matter what ,Psychodelics can polarize your mood. if you feel pleasure you will feel pleasure enhanced to the extreme making you feel not sober. but if you feel dread,angst,fear,anger or any bad emotions, then these emotions can make you commit sucide or hurt your loved ones. Don't get fooled by "personality growth" all of this personality improvments can be made by living according to the law, avoiding sin,practicing virtues and giving yourself to Jesus. Don't get fooled by "Enlightenment" .there is no enlightment because LSD can cause malfuction in that part of your brain responsible for evaluating the importance of a thought. realising that there is tea right before you can feel like enligthenment because your brain is not working properly. It is a fantasy , illusion,fantasy that can hurt you while hidding the fact that it is hurting you by making you feel pleasure.

Proverbs 28,19 NIV

"Those who work their land will have abundant food,

    but those who chase fantasies will have their fill of poverty."

Don't chase illusions, instead try to pursuit real, wanting you to be happy and free from slavery of a sin,loving God.

Seek ye the Lord while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near.

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