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777989  No.848027

Having pursued Biblical studies for some time now, upon a realization that the fundaments of Zionist theology are scripturally bankrupt, I have gradually become aware of an interesting effect that I would like to posit the fundamental traits of.

Since sometime in the 20th century, Christianity especially in the U.S. with which I am most familiar hit a significant intersection. One segment of people went with the materialist-modernist way of thinking, which is relativism. We all know the problems with that.

Very few seem to be aware that the proposed alternative to these beliefs, the popular set of things that has come to be called now "fundamentalist" views, has been subverted in various ways as well. The most obvious subversion is the idea that modern day Talmudists must be supported in their domination of the culture and their great game in the mid-east. The latter is becoming less of thing due to our decreased dependence on imported fossil fuel.

-Pro-zionism/dispensationalism (aka those guys wearing the hats who read the talmud are the people of God, not people who believe the Bible)

-Flood geology (the universe began at the start of the six days of creation, there is no possibility that events happened between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2; also global and not local flood in Noah's day, giraffes and penguins on the ark, etc.)

-Pretribulational rapture (don't worry about Jesus' warnings about the antichrist, we will not have tribulation just wait for the rapture)

-"Short" chronology (the 430 years before the Exodus was actually only 215 years; the pyramid that Djoser built survived the Deluge, etc.)

Now, I can go at length to tell you why each of these things is wrong and explain the correct view using scripture. But these are a seemingly related collection of theologies that are always posited as being "the" Biblical approach, telling people to accept their precepts or forever be part of the modernist tribe. I've seen the fallacies employed against all who do not conform. They say you must be an evolutionist/modernist/etc if you disagree with one of these points. When in reality some (all) of them can be shown not to be upon careful inspection. Not only this, but these theories veritably seem predicated on the concept of creating a controlled opposition. I have noticed that these certain views are gaining significant support as a kind of "false dichotomy alternative" to modernism. They seem to be given support and prominence, hence became dominant in the 20th century, from the shadows by people that aren't even Christian at all. Even though the theories promote clear errors that have of course turned people away from pursuing the truth. It seems like Hegel is hard at work here.

The most mainstream example of this is the promotion of flood geology and what is called "creation science." Why are people like Ben Stein making movies promoting this as the only alternate view? Have you never heard of ruin-reconstruction, aka "gap theory" as it is so called? This has been the standard view since Genesis A was written over a thousand years ago.

We are always told how there are only two possible positions on this, either you believe in a somewhat odd interpretation that isn't actually required by Scripture or else you must be a darwinian naturalist. Don't you understand that if your position is untrue that people will realize this and naturally have greater obstacles to overcome to believe the truth? I think these oddball views have been promoted on purpose by outsiders. I know that zionism and dispensationalism started with C. I. Scofield's Reference bible about 100 years ago. He got funding from some pretty unusual folks. Afterwards, his reference notes were somehow being used by generations of fundamentalist preachers. Coincidence or part of a plan? It seems like getting that to happen would take a significant effort and would not just happen by accident. I just wish we could get rid of the subversion on our side.

I see this effect in many of the most well-funded and promoted fundamentalist books. Such as Ben Stein's movie "Expelled," which got me thinking about this. Why is he the guy promoting this? Why are people listening to Ben Shapiro? These are troubling examples. I see this stuff and these concepts promoted in seminaries and other places that aren't modernist, at least to an extent that is worthy of concern. And what I very often see going along with it is a (sometimes very) "pro-Zionist" interpretation, which is one thing that, after this many years of investigation, instantly makes me suspicious of subversion. What do you guys think?

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53937c  No.848076

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>>848027

>zionists can prove with scripture

>and modernists can prove with scripture

>but I can prove with scripture

Oh thank goodness, for a minute I was worried I would have to believe everything kikes tell me because they quote the Bible.

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777989  No.848088

>>848076

The point is that the above two positions disagree with scripture actually.

I guess nobody else realizes how subverted these two main positions both are.

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2c83f8  No.848089

That's it' that's it - you want to do this - my main goal going to be to evangelize on /pol/ - every thread is going to be trying to convert people to Christainity I'm going to use tor a million vpns and whatever else I have to but you retards won't be able to browse your retarded incel board in peace ever again because I'm spamming Jesus

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09829a  No.848092

>>848088

The point is you can agree with scripture and tell people to bake their bread on cow dung. The story as a whole is holy not every individual word on the pages. If you get pedantic and cherrypick enough you can convince yourself and others the Bible, Star Wars, and Seattle bathroom scribbles agree with whatever you want them to even if you're going against the general narrative of the story like liberals do.

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2c83f8  No.848094

>>848092

>. The story as a whole is holy

GTFO atheist

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777989  No.848106

>>848092

You can agree with some parts of scripture while disagreeing with others. In that case, you still disagree with scripture.

My original point stands which is that these two main positions are actually both subverted, and someone in the shadows has been propping up some ridiculous ideas for some time now using fallacious arguments, and I have noticed a pattern that I propose we give a name. If you would like to discuss that, please continue. If you have a personal problem with the concept of absolute truth that is another issue and outside the scope of the thread heretofore.

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09829a  No.848110

>>848094

He's probably going to accuse me of being one soon.

>>848106

>You can agree with some parts of scripture while disagreeing with others. In that case, you still disagree with scripture.

You can't agree with all of scripture on the verse level because it contains contradictions on the verse level. Do I have to post examples?

>If you have a personal problem with the concept of absolute truth

I wouldn't believe in God if I didn't believe in objective truth. The same logical force that proves God, the principal of non-contradiction, also proves you cannot believe the entirety of the Bible on the verse level. If you claim you do you are simply wrong.

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2c83f8  No.848112

>>848110

>You can't agree with all of scripture on the verse level because it contains contradictions on the verse level. Do I have to post examples?

yes

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777989  No.848114

>>848110

>I wouldn't believe in God if I didn't believe in objective truth.

Then why are you trying to convince people that it is pointless to study scripture. The Lord Jesus Christ said in John 17:17 "Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

Why are you trying to take away the truth from people, by making the argument that there is no point to Scripture. I mean I see people make this argument all the time, so I know where you're getting it from but they are all relativist and teach that there is no absolute truth. This is their way to do that. They always try to convince you that everyone has equally valid views on things and that there is no real truth.

Obviously, this is not what Scripture teaches. See 2 Peter 1:20 where Peter wrote "no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." There really is an absolute truth. It is not all of private interpretation, in fact none of it is.

Hopefully that deals with your problem regarding whether there is a truth or not and where to obtain it through God's word.

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09829a  No.848116

>>848114

>Then why are you trying to convince people that it is pointless to study scripture

Well this is quite a strawman.

>there is no truth without scripture

Is this a joke? Do you and most other people actually lack the ability to think in absolutes without using scripture as a reference? Did I… really overestimate humanity this much? You mean when you were spamming on the internet "everyone iz dum" for a decade you were actually talking about yourselves? You really can't think logically? Like there's nothing in you that makes you see what must be true given a set of premises? Is that why you all hate math and programming, you're really just animal monkey souls in human bodies? Damn it.

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777989  No.848119

>>848116

Ok so then you agree that there is a point to studying Scripture. Then there is no problem with me posting references, and it is possible for anyone to explain the correct view using scripture. Thus, your original objection is now overruled.

Now, back to the main subject. Who is subverting our churches?

>Do you and most other people actually lack the ability to think in absolutes without using scripture as a reference?

John 14:6

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

>You really can't think logically? Like there's nothing in you that makes you see what must be true given a set of premises?

I see how it all makes sense in context. That's why I am on here providing explanations. Other people know truth too. I know that Christ said anyone who rejects the word that he has spoken, the same will judge him in the last day.

People who are relativists lack God in their lives.

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09829a  No.848120

>>848119

No, there being a point to reading scripture doesn't mean you or kikes can cherrypick one off verses to shill a narrative in good faith. You really can't think logically… can you? What's it like in your head? Are you actually conscious? Are you capable of designing things? Do you even care about the things you say or do you just say them to feel good?

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777989  No.848137

>>848120

You know, this condescension really isn't necessary, especially since you are in here derailing someone else's thread.

I am not going to answer your questions because they are clearly aimed to be provocative at me. The one who should be answering for themselves is you for derailing another person's thread for no reason except your dislike of the use of Scripture.

>doesn't mean you or kikes can cherrypick one off verses to shill a narrative

You have to prove I'm doing that. Show where the verses are being cherrypicked. Show what the real context is. We are all waiting.

Don't just sit there and whine before anyone has said anything. It actually does make it look like you are saying all study is pointless. Which is what I understood your earlier objection to be. You are relativist, and you don't think anyone should be trying to explain anything using Scripture. That is why you objected to this thread. You clearly did not show us what part of my statement goes against any Scripture.

If not, then SHOW ME what scripture I am contradicting. Otherwise, please leave, as you are arguing in bad faith. You cannot SHOW US where anything I have said is against scripture… Because of this, you act like a relativist saying ALL mentioning of Scripture is bad in itself.

Was Paul wrong to quote parts of Scripture in his writings? Was Jesus wrong not to quote the entire book of Deuteronomy when he mentioned part of it? If there is nothing wrong with them doing it, then you have no business complaining about the use of Scripture, if you cannot SHOW what is wrong with that.

Which I am sure that you cannot, which is why you rely on such a subjective argument. Now you're denying it and asking childish and bratty questions to get away from the subject.

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777989  No.848140

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>>848120

You know what's funny is the level of dysfunction in this new way of thinking. It's like the relativist sees someone successfully argue that another person is legitimately using cherry-picked quotes and think to themselves "huh, that was a good argument. next time anyone quotes scripture I don't like I'll make sure to say it was cherry picked as well."

What they fail to understand is you have to actually prove what someone said was out of context or cherry picked. You can't just say "that was cherry picked" to everything you don't like.

The instructive value of pointing these people out is the only thing that gives sufficient occasion to even reply to such bizarre posts.

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