1fbac4 No.846485
Read Jordan Peterson watched his Bible lectures now i want to be Christian again.
Grew up Catholic so went to catholic church. Get creepy vibes from the church. People unwelcoming and short uninspired sermon from a priest who doesn't speak English well.
Go to an episcopal church. People are friendly. Good sermon. Cool vibes. Turns out they support trans rights and BLM. Sad.
Not sure what to do now.
In the meantime does anyone have good bible study resources that aren't postmodernist or overly preachy?
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53950f No.846487
>>846485
wait the episcopal church, which claims to have priests who are descendants of the apostles themselves, supports trans rights and BLM? this is winnie the poohed
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53950f No.846488
>>846487
website of the episcopal church… oh my
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840172 No.846489
Jordan doesn't believe in the resurrection, he's not a Christian.
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8512fe No.846491
>>846485
Begome Gadolig again and attend the local FSSPX and avoid other Catholic Churches like the plague.
>>846488
Last pic third photo from the right: the gal has gigantic bonkers. Not halal at all because cleavage, but I'm not complaining either.
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3fe077 No.846492
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Anglicans are majority liberal. There is a group of traditional anglicans called the continuing anglican movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuing_Anglican_movement?wprov=sfla1
What you should be doing is researching the distinctive issues to discern who is the most consistent with the Bible.
>good bible study resources that aren't postmodernist or overly preachy?
Here's a very easily digestible intro to theology
https://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/what_is_reformed_theology/
A site with short q and a Bible articles
https://www.gotquestions.org/
Book by book Bible teaching
https://ttb.org/
Bible study tools
https://biblehub.com/
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f459c4 No.846495
>>846489
doesnt matter, he miraculously converted thousands.
>>846485
Forget about hwat you like or didnt like, Catholic Church is the true one.
This channel is a good resource.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMcvZaiBwe4
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1866d0 No.846497
>>846488
Par for the course. The "What We Believe" page on the official Episcopal site is heretical enough, but then there's this: https://episcopaldiocesefortworth.org/about/what-do-episcopalians-believe/
>we believe in God, in Jesus Christ the Son of God, and in the Holy Spirit
>Jesus Christ, the very human rabbi from 2000 years ago
>Certainly there is more to be said, more that can be believed about God and Jesus
>each member of our community is able to think for herself or himself, to wrestle with doubt and the questions of faith, and to arrive at conclusions which may be different than those of other members within the community
>the Christian church has discriminated against particular groups for such a long time
>Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender persons … have full access to all orders of ministry, including the ordained priesthood and the office of bishop
>Our worship (or “liturgy”) varies in style and outward appearance, according to the needs and tastes of each local community in its own place and time
>Faith is not a set of words- it can’t be written down in some medieval manuscript
The Episcopal """church""" is a progressive cult and should be avoided at all costs. If they loved God, they would not reduce our Blessed Lord to being a 2,000-year-old Jewish hippie and then pick and choose what parts of the Bible they like while ignoring the "uncomfortable" parts.
>>846485
Come home to Rome OP. Pay no mind to the uninspired homilies or cliquey parishioners; that's purely a Boomer phenomenon and will pass shortly. The most conservative of Catholic Boomers are aware and regretful of the mistakes their generation made, and Millennial Catholics are embracing tradition now more than ever before, while Episcopalians and other Protestants are going in the opposite direction with their embrace of secular culture. I can assure you, you'll find no solace in a Protestant community.
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3fe077 No.846503
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840172 No.846504
>>846495
If one comes to the truth by error, the error is not any more true or praise worthy.
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1fbac4 No.846516
>>846492
>>846492
God bless thanks for the sources.
>>846497
I do want to give Catholicism another shot. It's just weird when people go to church, leave their jackets on the whole time, don't shake anyone's hand durring the sign of peace. The music was sung by one pedo looking guy with a guitar and the priest i could barely understand. Maybe I showed up at the wrong mass.
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21209a No.846519
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21209a No.846520
>>846516
I remember when i first attended a Catholic Mass, I had the WORST head ache in YEARS. As the mass started the pain became a bit stronger. I get the feeling that SOMETHING had become attached from me, and was being, 'burned' off. Best describe as if you ever seen footage of a nuclear blast and the stuff around it starts to char or is incinerated, except instead of a nuclear blast it was the grace flowing from the mass, and the thingf getting charred was…whatever had latched on to me. I NEVER got that at the Lutheran Church I went to, despite their 'eucharist'. Believe me, anon. You will not be sorry. i have gained something which I had NEVER known in my life…an…inexplicable cam. . Even when I am upset, or tired, te peace has nOT left me.
here is a list of papal encyclicals if you'd like.
https://www.papalencyclicals.net/
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142c48 No.846521
>>846520
You would get along well with a Pentecostal
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21209a No.846526
>>846521
What are you talking about, I am not a Protestant. I have had other experiences, like when I was in a ceremony marking my becoming an elect, they had us sign a big book, and I was worried I was going to screw it up, but someone guided my hand and my signature was SO BEAUTIFUL, my mom actually though I had been practicing. i remember sensing that my hand was being guided, because I could try it again and again, and I will not be able to write as good as I did. Things have been improving, i am going into a direction. I do not regret becoming Catholic. Life is so much better than when I tried Lutheranism those couple time. I have Also felt at many times, a WONDERFUL joy, i had never known.
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31d4b2 No.846528
>>846485
You watched some obscurantist occult perversion of The Bible and it made you want to be a Christian? What is wrong with you?
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1fbac4 No.846529
>>846528
Many things
Was just out walking listening to the Bible video anon mentioned
Came across a box
Look inside and see this.
What is this pin?
Is this a sign?
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0c40f0 No.846536
>>846503
Once you're confirmed in the Church, you're Catholic for life, whether you like it or not. Even if you send your diocese a request for defection, they'll at best make a note of your wishes but still consider you Catholic. Evangelicals do not do this - those who become agnostic/atheist are categorized as such. Now, if you look at the statistics with that in mind, you'll see that nearly 4 in 5 practicing Catholics polled would like to see "significant restrictions" imposed on abortion, and that only 1% of TLM-attending Catholics approve of abortion. The TLM is predominantly young singles and large families, where the future of Catholicism lies. NO parishes, if you'll forgive my blunt language, are full of infertile hippie Boomers who will no longer be running the show a decade from now.
>>846516
Immigrant priests can indeed be hard to understand, but the upside is that they're more traditional; a conservative parish with difficult-to-understand homilies is preferable to the alternative. Are you attending a TLM?
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1fbac4 No.846537
>>846536
TLM meaning Latin mass?
No I've never been.
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142c48 No.846539
>>846536
Cope post
This study is based on self identification. To make the excuse that self identified catholics are nominal more often than evangelicals isn't an excuse at all, but part of the problem in catholic life.
I would also like to see the liberals go away in your church but it seems to me that youre believing a fantasy. As far as I understand the Latin Mass movement is growing but nowhere near significant to be making the decisions for the Catholic Church in America. If this site is up to date https://www.latinmassdir.org/ there are 600 venues with latin mass worship, and many (most?) of these not excursively latin mass at the venues while there are 17000 catholic parishes. That's 3.5 percent at best.
All this to say you are being disingenuous to suggest that Roman Catholics are undergoing some traditional renaissance while Protestants are apostasizing, because if anything it's the other way around.
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685a37 No.846542
>>846503
Ah. The "poorly catechized Catholics who don't know the faith" fallacy.
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142c48 No.846543
>>846542
Do you know what a fallacy is?
He just said that millenial catholics are traditionalist, and this is relevant data that disproves the claim
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1866d0 No.846544
>>846537
Yes. Give one a visit sometime… I think you'll find the community more inviting and reverant than the vast majority of Novus Ordo parishes. My local NO parish is largely redeemed by a conservative KofC council and clergy that both do good out in the community, but I still go to the Latin Mass when I can. It's worth the trip.
>>846539
>This study is based on self identification
That's no better; Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and Cardi B are just a few examples of people who identify as Catholic but don't follow Church teachings. Just as there are rabid atheists who wish to shed their Catholic identity, there are a substantial number of those who fight tooth and nail to be seen as Catholic, and continue their Mass routine, while holding heretical views. That is reflected in your data… and again, your data on Evangelicals is put to shame when you consider how few agnostics/atheists identify as Evangelical; there should be more against abortion if anything, but like us Catholics, you Protestants have been subverted by secular culture over the years as well.
>All this to say you are being disingenuous to suggest that Roman Catholics are undergoing some traditional renaissance while Protestants are apostasizing, because if anything it's the other way around.
There is a notable traditional movement in the Church, which is causing quite a fuss among the liberal Catholics (who are leaving at six times the rate that people are converting). We're cleaning house right now, and the anti-tradition Boomer generation are dropping like flies to boot. In my experience, Millennial Catholics don't like the NO Mass and are flocking to the TLM in droves, which leads me to believe the TLM will become the Ordinary Form in America by 2050, tops. Until then, Millennials are already dominating every form of Catholic media except cable TV (which no one watches anymore). I listen to Evangelical stations, and it's all the same wishy-washy, feel-good nonsense with no real message. Non-denominational churches are the future of Protestantism, while Faithful Word Baptist and other conservative Prot circles are a dying breed. Evangelicals can come together and (mostly) agree that murdering babies is wrong, but otherwise they're a disorganized mess!
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21209a No.846545
>>846544
Agree. We are in the midst of a great revival, as we clean house. Soon we will rise above it all.
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142c48 No.846546
>>846544
What you have to say about Catholics is anecdotal and what you have to say about protestants is ill informed
Evangelicals are a classification of protestants. Non denominational churches are almost always evangelical. Evangelicals do not claim to be a church, but a movement of certain churches and denominations like the southern Baptist convention or the evangelical free church of America.
Despite holding to different confessions there is much interdenominational unity that you're probably not aware of, like seminaries, missions agencies, political awareness groups, media organizations.
https://www.nae.net/
https://www.navigators.org/
https://www.cru.org/
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/
There are also ecumenical statements like the nashville statement or the danvers statement.
https://cbmw.org/nashville-statement
https://cbmw.org/about/danvers-statement/
Faithful word is one church in arizona with church plants in other states. They also angrily oppose the title "protestant", much less evangelical.
Evangelicalism is growing, even though it is now and has for decades been the plurality of the US population, while catholicism is dropping in number precipitously, like liberal protestants.
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21209a No.846551
>>846544
On a different note, my cat just died, I had a spiritual realization, and I learned some things about myself. People can say OSAS, but I can tell you this, I am a FAR cry from the man I used to be over a year ago, even just a mere weeks ago. Life can be funny sometimes, one day you can wake up one type of person and go to bed another. I am where God wants me to be.
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840172 No.846559
>>846529
The eye of providence in that cross is an ancient Christian symbol for providence, though most people know it because the iluminatti stole it. The jeweled cross looks good, but the ΑΣΝ cross is the alpha-sigma-nu of the Jesuits.
Don't use it. Also, reject these demon filled theatrics of protestant "inspiration" and become orthochad.
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36bd23 No.846581
>>846546
What you have to say about Catholics is anecdotal and what you have to say about protestants is ill informed
I'm merely speaking as a former Prot who converted to Catholicism, friend.
>Evangelicals are a classification of protestants. Non denominational churches are almost always evangelical. Evangelicals do not claim to be a church, but a movement of certain churches and denominations like the southern Baptist convention or the evangelical free church of America.
>Despite holding to different confessions there is much interdenominational unity that you're probably not aware of, like seminaries, missions agencies, political awareness groups, media organizations.
I'm aware of all that. It doesn't change the fact that "conservative" (by American standards) Prot churches are dying as the new generations embrace the "inclusive" liberal churches (usually non-denom) and or secularism. Conservative churches die out while liberal ones appeal to a wider audience with their watered-down theology and rake in the dough - a lot of people feel pulled to spiritualism but can't reconcile their secular beliefs with Christ's teachings, so they settle for a pastor in skinny jeans telling them what they want to hear and avoiding the controversial stuff.
>Faithful word is one church in arizona with church plants in other states. They also angrily oppose the title "protestant", much less evangelical.
I know. Anderson's opposition to the label doesn't make him any less Protestant.
>Evangelicalism is growing, even though it is now and has for decades been the plurality of the US population, while catholicism is dropping in number precipitously, like liberal protestants.
Growing by appealing to a wider audience, yes. As for Catholicism shrinking, it's generally:
<the left-leaning Baby Boomer generation passing on
<liberal Catholics who are unable to reconcile their progressive views with Catholicism jumping ship for evangelicalism or secularism
<teenagers/young adults going through an atheist phase (happens with all religions)
<lukewarm Catholics disgusted by the sexual abuse crisis
While I don't like to see anyone leave the Church, one can easily see this isn't the tragedy you make it out to be. Spend some time going through Catholic media, and you'll find it's followed by many and overwhelmingly conservative.
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142c48 No.846586
>>846581
Where is your supporting data?
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21209a No.846595
>>846586
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/will-the-supreme-court-issue-an-eviction-notice-to-new-york-city-churches/
Also, since the 1930's, all protestant denominations have to varying degrees, supported birth control and abortion. Only one Church has stood firm in the fight. any "church" that allows abortion is a false church, as a Church that does not protect the unborn is a church of the wicked one. There is no god to be found in its services.
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142c48 No.846600
>>846595
This article has nothing to do with your claim
>all protestant denominations have to varying degrees, supported abortion
Outright lie
You're not slick by trying to conflate birth control (non abortifacient) with abortion, it's dishonest.
This isn't going anywhere so let's cut it out. I know that if OP stuck around it has been obvious that the data is on my side.
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1866d0 No.846606
>>846586
Well, you just posted a source for my "six Catholics renouncing their identity for every one convert" claim, so thanks for that. As for the others, I really can't be bothered. Your mind won't be changed either way, and OP seems to be open to the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church once more, so why bother? I'm just chewing the fat at this point.
>>846600
>This article has nothing to do with your claim
That's a different anon who posted that article; my ID keeps changing as I travel between home and work, so I can't blame you for that mix-up. Birth control is no more righteous than abortion btw, and it's just another reason why I use scare quotes when referring to "conservative" Protestants. The pill is immoral and detrimental to a woman's health, and condoms aren't any better. If you respect your spouse and God's plan for marriage, you won't engage in premarital sex. Likewise, if you're pro-life, then you won't hate the possibility of a beautiful child being conceived.
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000000 No.846686
>>846536
But we have (had) the practice of excommunication though?
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000000 No.846687
>>846686
"We" meaning the catholic church (forgot my flag)
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21209a No.846690
>>846606
This. This is one of the reasons why I became Catholic over Orthodox, as the latter has to a very limited degree, been open to it. Which is FAR too much. Birth control is abortion under a different guise. To support it is an UNSPEAKABLE evil and blasphemous. Especially since I am an uncle at 23 (almost 24) years of age. Humanae Vitae is an OUTSTANDING work that teaches the beauty of life, and the evils of trying to destroy it. Any belief that condones abortion, birth control and the like is a culture of death.
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21209a No.846700
>>846606
It is sad when people try to justify fornication and killing the unborn by claiming that birth control is not the same as abortion, when they are BOTH moral evils, and both lead to the destruction of the family unit and the death of the unborn. I was the anon who equated birth control with abortion.
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e1cbf3 No.846701
>>846700
Birth control can mean merely contraceptive measures, even NFP, which is why I clarified by saying non abortifacient
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fb3d41 No.847051
>>846516
>It's just weird when people go to church, leave their jackets on the whole time, don't shake anyone's hand durring the sign of peace. The music was sung by one pedo looking guy with a guitar and the priest i could barely understand.
This is par for course in Catholicism today unfortunately, but as you learn more about the church and participate more you realize that the quality of the mass and music aren't what's important, the important part is you sharing your time with God.
Chruchs do have small lay communities you can get to be a part of if you want to join a catholic community
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685a37 No.847054
>>846503
I know some protestants and orthodox vote on religious belief but Catholics don't and the opinions of "Catholics" who don't know the first thing about Catholicism is a very poor argument against Catholics.
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554eb8 No.847076
does the bible not teach the importance of commas???
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58a75b No.847079
>>847076
It does, but you are also a sinner for forgoing the shift key. Say a Hail Mary as penance.
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