/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>845308

And if you're wondering about the flag. I most agree with the EO, that's why.

>>845308

It's difficult to find a good church. You should post ads on craigslist or somewhere seeking Christians to get together once a week.

>>845308

>Catholic church…. lmao

What a convincing condemnation of Catholicism.

>>845317

Yeah, I don't know where I would begin. You guys really shot yourself in the foot with Papal succession. I mean that would even be a stupid idea for Islam, that doctrinal changes could occur into perpetuity. The ecumenical councils of Vatican II had John Paul erecting shrines to strange Gods. These kind of practices have not stopped. The Catholic church today is an abomination to the Lord, I am certain.

>>845317

Not to mention you didn't mention the Orthodox church comments I made, because all that stuff applies to you guys as well. You just don't have the same based eschatology and theodicy and humble reverence of mystery. You're like the EO without any of the good stuff.

I'm pretty much in your boat OP but i dont have a problem with Presbyterianism.

>>845325

Then you haven't considered how reformed theology has made God the author of evil and sin in the name of idolizing human intellect as I have. They are very two-faced about it and not intellectually honest about it, but it is so. Quite frankly I doubt that serious Calvinists that cling to the doctrine are even saved.

>>845326

>*Creates proto-Calvinism because he wants to read Manichaeism and total depravity into the text*

What a hypocrite

>>845327

That's not how Calvinists describe it. Im not a Calvinist, but my mind has not been made up yet. But the idea that God is the author of evil is a major problem, but I just haven't been convinced that that is nessecairly the case. I'm more leaning towards Lutheranism myself.

>>845329

Yes, I said they were dishonest. You don't have to say something for it to be logically necessary based on what you said prior to that.

>>845330

I don't accept that, I've known of Calvinists that I believe to bee good Christians. Of course whether or not isn't up to me or even knowable by me. And even if it proved beyond any doubt, that we could find a self described Calvinist who was also a good Chrisitan, you would argue that that is just the result of him not actually committing to the his doctrine. But I have not observed all Calvinists at all times to all be intellectually dishonest any more or less than the adherents of any other system of Christian doctrine are dishonest about their own systems, whether about the doctrines themselves or church history etc. In fact, I would say that there is probably only a few people of any denomination that are actively attempting to practice deception.

Imagine if the Jesuits never got subverted and we had racially aware global Catholicism. Maybe we could finally make the kikes slaves again and move on to figuring out how to deal with greater spiritual forces of evil. Maybe this is all a simulation of what would've happened if the Nazis lost and I'll wake up in a beautiful White world that's not spiritually crippled.

>>845335

There are definitely good Christians of every stripe. Even some of the weirder ones (like Adventists). But that doesn't make their Churches good foundations for anyone. They are decent despite the problems. One should be more on the lookout for more widespread/systematic issues. Personally, I think Baptist churches, Lutheranism, and Calvinism have some systematic issues that are troubling. Especially Sola Fide.

But that doesn't mean one needs to be Orthodox or Catholic. The Reformers were correct in saying that those two emphasize too many local traditions. Even some Catholics in the Reformed period knew that the truth lie closer to a more stripped down faith, with more importance on scripture: Erasmus being the most famous of them.

Find the Middle Way. You can easily find it in Anglicanism and Methodism. But there are others seeking the same thing as well. If they give you that freedom to seek it, that's a good church too. You should be weary of anyone preventing you from finding it.

>>845308

>I just want a church that preaches repentance, does baptism and discipline, believes in the continuation of supernatural experience and doesn't take a box cutter to scripture.

maybe, if you seriously are considering that you shouldn't laugh off the catholic religion.

>>845339

God might be in a compromising position where he has to create people with at least some evil. That's why I wouldn't be so quick to say absolute sovereignty means absolute responsibility.

>>845344

He doesn't have to create evil, it is the result of ignorantly acting without his omniscience.

>>845343

https://www.invidiou.site/watch?v=BWsgxCVYtAI

Your right, this is nothing to laugh about. Its damnable.

When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone. [James 1:13]

>>845349

Yes, exactly

>>845348

>Your right, this is nothing to laugh about. Its damnable.

It is great that you make the first step to seeing the truth about the situation.

>>845308

What do you mean by "does baptism and discipline"? You mean in the Biblical sense?

Do you mean all of those things in the Biblical sense? I can't tell. But in any case, I'm not here to make something to suit your personal requirements, and anyone who is, is going to lead you down a path you shouldn't be going.

So what I take this as is basically a complaint that you profess to see the truth of all of these issues but haven't found a church that aligns with them due to various pitfalls. Are you seriously thinking you are Amish but for the fact you can't join?

I think you still have quite a way to go on getting right with God first, by reading his Word, praying, studying, asking God for understanding in prayer, and then finding those with the correct true faith and practice. As far as repentance is concerned, see Acts 26:18-20.

As Paul says at the end of it, "that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance."

So we see that repentance is what occurs first and that works reflecting that are what comes after.

The Lord Jesus also says in Matthew 28 to first to teach all nations, and second to baptize them, and third, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever he has commanded them. We have to do things in the proper order, they are presented that way for a reason. You can't skip the teaching and go straight to compulsory baptisms, and you can't try to earn your own way to justification by works salvation, but first be saved then afterward God will make all things possible through the grace that is in his Son the Lord Jesus. He is the Lord's anointed, Christ, and the only begotten Son of God; he can do things that we can't.

>>845331

What are some good Methodist denominations in the United States?

>>845339

You cannot be dishonest without being aware about it. You're making a category error and a strawman.

>>845308

>Baptist churches don't preach repentance

Is this a troll post

>>845364

I'm going by Steven Anderson, Ralph Yankee Arnold and many others that preach easy-believism.

>>845362

>You cannot be dishonest without being aware about it.

If you want, we can say they are unreasonable instead.

>>845366

Don't do that, and also don't make the non sequitur of thinking easy believism means not teaching repentance

If you were to try and find a baptist church in your town would it have any association at all with Anderson or this other guy

>>845368

Whether easy believism "teaches repentance" or not is irrelevant because it is a total doctrine of demons based on the unbiblical construction of Ordo Salutis (total regeneration preceding faith). The Bible says unless you repent you will LIKEWISE PERISH!

>>845373

I agree that easy believism is wrong. It isn't a baptist issue, it's a fringe fundamentalist issue (among which there are Baptists)

>>845374

Its not just a baptist issue, it is a reformer issue. Luther was so butthurt about the Catholic church acting like a sin bank that he went too far the other way and said all you had to do to be saved was profess that Jesus is Christ. This led to the doctrine of Ordo Salutis. There is an infamous quote by Luther "Go and sin boldly Malencthon"

>>Orthodox church has weird sacraments and idolatry

You do realize that they don't worship the Sacraments right?

>>845381

Yes I am an Israeli agent. I get paid in dreidels to make retards yell at each other on the internet.

>>845380

I didn't say they do but they worship Mary.

>>845381

hmm, I'm going to have to recant my view of Luther. I'm just trying to figure out who started OSAS.

>>845390

You are conflating all sorts of different doctrines when they are not the same

Osas is not antinomianism

Osas is not rejecting repentance

Osas is not easy believism

Sola fide is not osas

Sola fide is not antinomianism

None of these necessarily require regeneration preceding faith

>>845390

OSAS (as in "oh I'm saved now yay now I can sin as much as I want and worship satan and spit on God's name and I'll go to heaven") is a very modern phenomenon, it did not exist at all during the Reformation, and probably not for centuries afterward.

>>845393

>OSAS (as in, not osas)

>>845395

The term is nearly always used by Antinomians like Steven Anderson to refer to their perversion of the perseverance of the saints.

>>845397

Steven Anderson is not antinomian and neither is any articulation of osas

>>845398

I'm sorry is this still the Berenstain universe or was there another dimensional merge?

>>845399

Once saved always saved is self defining

If one is saved, he is always saved

Antinomianism is a rejection of the law, as in sin doesn't matter

Love or hate Steven Anderson there isn't a harder preacher against sin in the US today

>>845402

>Once saved always saved is self defining

Equally as much as any other doctrine.

>Antinomianism is a rejection of the law, as in sin doesn't matter

Yes, and Steven Anderson preaches it.

>Love or hate Steven Anderson there isn't a harder preacher against sin in the US today

Antinomianism has nothing to do with how much one condemns sin. It has to do with whether one considers holiness to be necessary or not. Anderson has explicitly stated many times including in his evangelistic preaching that as long as one believes (which he defines as a singular intellectual motion towards Christ) they can then go and sin however they want including the sin of apostasy and that they will still be saved. He has sometimes pre-empted a question of what if they did just that and answered that he thinks it's foolish but they are still just as saved as him. He is an Antinomian heretic, and preaches a false gospel by which nobody can be saved.

>>845403

I agree he's wrong but that's not antinomianism

>>845404

Or you're just wrong.

>>845340

>Find the Middle Way. You can easily find it in Anglicanism and Methodism.

The Middle Way allowed more mutations than all the X-Men comics combined.

Anglicans trying to have their meat-pie and eat it too resulted in both uber-liberal "churches" and the modern neo-protestant mess of churches, including Anderson.

>>845308

I saw this posted constantly on the last board too before the 8chan shutdown

Here's the deal. It's not optional. It's not a choice. It's a requirement for a Christian.

It's not I'm not going to go to church until I find the perfect one that meets all my checklist boxes

You're never going to find the perfect church with the perfect doctrine and the perfect pastor and perfect congregation. That's not the requirement. Find the best you can in your neighborhood and attend that

You wanting that the church behaves impeccably is just an evasion of the cross.

We have the popes we deserve, a zealous people got popes launching crusades, a people who has strayed gets 'ecumenical popes'. Having always a giga pope would make it too easy, existence is about carrying crosses and bad leadership is another cross to bear.

Thank the Lord for the cross, it works towards our sanctification.

Also if the pope is bad we always have the bible, writings of the saints and theologians to keep your feet on the ground, 2k years of it.

During the storm: 40 He said to his disciples, “Why are you so afraid? Do you still have no faith?”

>>845412

>I call this one the Catholic Cope Blues

I posted something in the orthodox general about icons, OP. It might help you understand the orthodox perspective on images and how the image of the Father made flesh relates to them. On a side note, how can you post memes of Christ and complain about idolatry?

>>844981

>>845308

Why not Islam? Honestly seems much better than Cuckstianity.

>>845308

>Pentecostals doing the Harlem shake

Lmao

But seriously, you're never going to find a perfect church. At best you're going to find defective people trying to be holy, and mostly getting it all wrong. Jesus said try to enter by the narrow gate, there are many Christians who are busy trying to adjust the narrow gate to fit the shape of their soul, rather than adjusting their soul so it can go in the gate.

You know as well as I do that no church will be perfect, but God commands us to go to church. Let me explain it differently; the angels in heaven that are closer to God SERVE the lesser angels, who SERVE mankind. If you aspire to heaven, you must use your wisdom like the angels use it, to serve those poor idiots all doing the Harlem Shake and slaying their souls by ignoring those things that they don't like in scripture. You can help them even without preaching, but with every gracious act.

There's an Orthodox Priest on YouTube, called Fr. Seraphim Cordoza, who says "preach the gospel always, sometimes use words." You don't have to do much, but humble yourself enough to actually join a congregation.

Also I want to add we have mennonite communities here in Canada which is your version of the amish - and they absolutely are open to people joining if you want to go that route.

>>845413

Being outside the boat holding to some broken barrel seams worse.

>>845422

Why worship a guy named Mohammad who showed no proof of being a prophet?

>>845541

The boat is going down the river Styx lol