4f2b6d No.843928
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34652e No.843931
>>843928
Jesus Couldn't convert them
Your Martin Luther Couldn't convert them.
They commit the unforgivable sin against The Holy Ghost.
Why on Heaven or Earth would I listen to their Heresy?
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34652e No.843932
By the way, It really is a sin to listen to them.
Council of Basel and all that.
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39033d No.843933
Jews are for ovens on earth and the lake of fire after earth.
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4f2b6d No.843936
>>843931
Maybe because I want other Christians to know how to answer these mongrels and because the truth of Christianity is at stake here. 1 Peter 3:15.
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34652e No.843937
>>843936
If their faith is so weak as to be shattered by the lies of jews, then they really had no faith.
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4f2b6d No.843942
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34652e No.843943
>>843942
If they ask why you have hope, tell them.
If they blaspheme, shake the dust from your feet and leave them.
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4f2b6d No.843949
>>843943
So basically Christians shouldn't debate or formulate arguments in defense of the faith is what you are saying. So according to you everything St. Paul wrote against the Judaizers is sinful. Yeah, nice try Rabbi Shlomo, not gonna fall for your tricks.
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028cf3 No.843957
>>843949
Saint Paul never engaged in Socratic dialectics like you propose. You propose paganism.
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4f2b6d No.843959
>>843957
Yes he did. Acts 17. Also I guess Justin Martyr sinned when he wrote his dialogue with Trypho. You're just being retarded. Stop.
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028cf3 No.843961
>>843959
Saints aren't sinless, but God will favor them in their conclusions. And what was Paul's conclusion in 1 Corinthians 1:23?
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4f2b6d No.843971
>>843961
And what does he say in literally the next verse? Also, I guess according to your logic pretty much everything that any saint ever wrote is sinful. Stop trying to one up here and actually go do something for Christ by defending him.
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34652e No.843972
>>843949
Not what I said.
And you're trying to back door jewish lies and arguments against Christianity.
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83b6dd No.843976
>>843971
He's a larper. He doesn't care about Christ. He just wants to be trendy and practice rhetoric online. He'll go back to whatever the next trend is.
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028cf3 No.843984
>>843971
You misunderstood me. I am saying that arguing does not lead to truth who is Christ.
You saying that arguing leads to truth, like pagans do, is preaching salvation by works and not by faith.
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028cf3 No.843985
>>843976
>Let me tell you about what you actually believe
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4f2b6d No.843993
>>843972
How the hell am I trying to back door anything? Are you seriously this dimwitted? I suspect not, I suspect you just want to one up me because le board culture.
>>843984
I never said arguing leads to truth.
>p-p-pagans!
Have you ever heard about virtuous pagans? Plato and Socrates were Christians before Christ.
>is preaching salvation by works and not by faith.
Lmao you're not Orthodox.
Seriously though, can you actually just stop being gay? Please? C-can you just step back and stop being gay? Because it would be a huge favor for God. I genuinely would like to see the responses to what's in the article above because as of right now I don't have a good response. So you can either stop being a retard and come help defend Christ, or continue being retarded. The choice is yours.
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028cf3 No.844009
>>843993
Plato argued for communal wives and enforced veganism to curb plebean virility and social revolts, he is a type of antiChrist alongside the autistic Socrates who never made a senseful question in his wretched life.
You don't know orthodoxy, and thus you don't know what Saint Paul was criticizing - you.
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c780ac No.844013
>>843993
Plato and Socrates were cucks. Plato is fawned after by LARPagan cultists like Varg, and the fedora autists on/pol/.
The only person of that trio which had any significance was Aristotle. But LARPagans hate Aristotle.
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c780ac No.844015
>>844013
https://infogalactic.com/info/Allegory_of_the_Cave
LARPagans literally worship Plato. Neoplatonism was spammed on 8/pol/ every day back in 2014.
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028cf3 No.844021
>>844013
Any man who does not have a hearty kek at Aristotle's work about if the seated Socrates exists alongside the standing Socrates is a retard.
Hellenic philosophers are autists, there is nothing to do about people who take any of them seriously except point and laugh.
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4a541d No.845133
here is some thing you could use >Matthew 5:17-20 King James Version (KJV)
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
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4d31c4 No.845154
>>843928
Their argument is focused on translations between the Hebrew masoratic and English. The problem is that the masoratic text is inferior to the Septuagint as the oldest masoratic manuscript only dates back to 900 AD and the oldest Septuagint dates back to roughly 200 AD. Any and all discrepancies between the old and new testaments can be resolved simply by using the Septuagint OT because it was not tampered with by the ph*risees.
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d9b34b No.845176
>How do you refute them
They hate us and want kill us, here is a hint.
Do not appeal to anything they do unless they are willing to listen.
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d9b34b No.845178
>>843993
> I don't have a good response.
Wait you can do a response?
LOL
Time to expose their jewery then.
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b99bf7 No.845183
>>843928
It's just a lie. And/or modern Jews are out of touch with their original idioms.
The Septuagint translated this way for a good reason (and that itself was translated by Jews, mind you). It's an idiom for virgin. Even Jerome argued this in his day (circa 300s) when the "young woman" propaganda was first spreading. "Almah" was an idiom for a "hidden" young woman. Not simply any young woman. As in, a woman kept close/under guard of her parent's house. Not to be "presented". Think of modern traditions like "Sweet Sixteens" and old Victorian novels where young girls were finally presented to the public. Think of modern Mexican families who practically keep their daughters chained up, and their brothers will clam up or threaten you if you even mention her. Similar idea, but with a more ancient Jewish sense of the tradition.
Besides all that, the context of the verse itself speaks of a miracle. Isaiah poses the offer to Ahaz - "Ask the Lord your God for a sign, whether in the deepest depths or in the highest heights." Ahaz then declines, thinking himself not worthy to ask such a thing. Then Isaiah says, "Fine, God himself will choose the miracle then.."
It's pretty silly to think after giving that offer to Ahaz (the deepest depths and highest heights) for God to then proceed to something so mundane that it happens every minute. DERP. "A young woman shall give birth." Gollygeewillickers. You don't say? This is about as boneheaded as you being given the same offer, then you declining, and Isaiah then says "Fine. The Lord himself shall choose the miracle: You will proceed to breathe air."
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34652e No.845199
Why are there so many jews posting in /christian/?
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8a458c No.845357
>>843928
>Can you refute these Jewish arguments?
yes. jews always lie.In this case the jew is lying when he claims that the word for virgin "almah" only meant young women. The word can mean virgin or a young woman, and it is used in both those ways in the old testament.
The important thing to note is that the jew says the prophecy refers to something else, but he doesn't know what. Besides that, if you take the prophecy to mean what the jew claims, then it is a meaningless prophecy- Some young woman will bear a completely normal child and name it immaneul. The child has no further role, it's just some random child. Why even bother to mention it then? Why is the child's name significant, given that the child isn't a propehet of anything?
Talmusic judaism is hostile to the idea of a messiah because the leaders of the religion know they worship satan and are opposed to the God of the children of Israel.
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6b309f No.845359
Darum wird euch der Herr selbst ein Zeichen geben: Siehe, eine Jungfrau ist schwanger und wird einen Sohn gebären, den wird sie nennen Immanuel
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6572e8 No.845370
>>845154
>Their argument is focused on translations between the Hebrew masoratic and English.
Their argument is that they think they can redefine what ancient Hebrew means when they aren't related to the ancient Hebrews or the 1st-century kingdom of Judah, but merely reinvented modern Hebrew in the 19th century and wrongly claim to be its successors. They claim this allows them to rewrite the entire lexicon. They are a bunch of guys from eastern europe mostly. I wouldn't listen to what they say about ancient, BC-era Hebrew.
>The problem is that the masoratic text is inferior to the Septuagint as the oldest masoratic manuscript only dates back to 900 AD and the oldest Septuagint dates back to roughly 200 AD.
Ok what about the original Hebrew though. Clearly that is superior to either. We have that.
>Any and all discrepancies between the old and new testaments can be resolved simply by using the Septuagint OT because it was not tampered with by the ph*risees.
First of all, the version of the Septuagint that survives today was edited by Origen in several places. This can be proven explicitly by looking at his version of Genesis 46 and Exodus 1 compared to Acts chapter 7. But even more than that, the version of the Old Testament you are recommending removes a legitimate prophecy about the Son of God in Psalm 2:12.
>Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him. (KJV)
The Origen LXX removes this prophecy by changing the word "Son" to "discipline" thereby erasing the prophecy about trusting in the Son and saying that they are blessed which do so. What's interesting is that over thirty other Psalms tell us to trust in God and the Lord, but Psalm 2:12 is the one place where it says to trust in the Son, and the LXX completely removes it.
All of the supposed problems with the Hebrew originals can be shown to not be real. I've seen the chart and have immediate refutations to every one.
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c70a6c No.845556
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4828eb No.846269
>>845370
Melchizedek is not Shem
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65d13d No.846273
Young woman was synonym of virgin. Not nowadays where its synonym of whore.
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6572e8 No.846285
>>846269
Where does the Bible say that he was?
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4d31c4 No.846300
>>845370
>Ok what about the original Hebrew though. Clearly that is superior to either. We have that.
No, we don't.
>>845370
>The Origen LXX removes this prophecy by changing the word "Son" to "discipline" thereby erasing the prophecy about trusting in the Son and saying that they are blessed which do so. What's interesting is that over thirty other Psalms tell us to trust in God and the Lord, but Psalm 2:12 is the one place where it says to trust in the Son, and the LXX completely removes it.
The phrase "kiss The Son" is nowhere in the New Testament and that passage is not a prophecy.
Conversely, The Masoratic text removes the prophecy that The Messiah would be born of a virgin, that His hands and feet would be pierced, and that the gentiles (non-jews) would trust in His name. While the OT of the KJV Bible still contains these prophecies, it doesn't change the fact that the Masoratic does not.
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6b309f No.846306
>>845370
>All of the supposed problems with the Hebrew originals can be shown to not be real
the hebrew original doesn't exist, the masoretic text is medieval.
the dead sea scrolls, which are all we have of the original, agree more with the LXX than the Masoretic.
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6572e8 No.846310
>>846300
>No, we don't.
Ah so you don't believe in the preservation of the word of God. Simple to address.
>As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
- Isaiah 59:21
Please get right back to me when you start believing Scripture, friend.
>>846306
>the hebrew original doesn't exist
Then if you really think that, you simply don't believe Scripture, read Isaiah 59:21 quoted above.
If we had the original Hebrew, why would anyone use a later derivative translation, especially when it can be shown to differ from that original version in the original language. The part you aren't understanding is that God himself, according to prophecy has not allowed anyone to tamper with His word. By not taking this into account, people create all kinds of corrupted versions and figure it's "no difference" since the originals are "lost" anyway. Not true at all. Get back to me when you start believing the prophecies contained in Scripture such as Isaiah 59:21 and Psalm 119:160. But until then, there's no point in discussing matters of correctness with a skeptic toward God's word, in his prophecies of preservation of every single word of Scripture.
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6b309f No.846349
>>846310
But I do believe God preserved the Holy Scripture, it is just that he didn't do it in Hebrew. As can be seen by the fact that the Hebrew original wasn't preserved, and the Apostles wrote the gospels and the epistles in Greek over Hebrew.
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6572e8 No.846362
>>846349
>As can be seen by the fact that the Hebrew original wasn't preserved,
Yes actually it was.
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c88fd4 No.846376
>>846349
Translating does not mean it is not the original, it does not change sense if the community is consistent.
Which it was.
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4d31c4 No.846575
>>846362
If you possess a copy of the legendary 6000 year old hebrew scriptures, then you should really digitize it to preserve it. If not, your post is false.
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6572e8 No.846603
>>846575
The version of Hebrew preserved in the "received" text used by the Bible translators such as Tyndale, Geneva academy, and for the KJV is the preserved original, it's unchanged, according to the prophecies about God never letting his word be corrupted. If you don't believe those prophecies then that amounts to a bigger problem and we need to address that first before arguing about correctness.
Modern scholars do not believe the prophecies about Scripture being preserved in every word, so their translations are willfully corrupted for this reason (they have carelessly allowed them to be corrupted by non-received texts); and people generally who are faithless do not think the originals are preserved because they do not believe the prophecies. This leads them to adopt corrupted texts and not believe that the original is preserved. If they knew we had the legendary original copy of the Greek New Testament and Hebrew Old Testament still they would obviously use those.
Well it turns out that's what the KJV and other accurate versions were translated from, and we still do have those original language versions today if you would simply use them.
>As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever.
- Isaiah 59:21
>Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
- Psalm 119:160
>Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
- Matthew 24:35
>Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
- 1 Peter 1:23-25
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d9b34b No.846737
>>844021
Strange our education systems usually praise these philosophers and that they are this or that, yet you argue that they are not mind going into detail why the philosophers we've been taught are autists.
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7141a3 No.846750
>>845370
But "kiss the son" is also just another error lol. Seems like the entire religion is founded on misreadings.
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