68f963 No.837885
Protestantism is so shallow and watered down, even the denominations which are based socially. It simply doesn't feel like the full expression of Christianity and the Gospel which I feel can be found in Catholicism and even more so in Orthodoxy. Protestantism is responsible for so much misunderstanding about Christianity, particularly among fedoras and western secular idiots as well as among the new age spiritual freaks.
Tbh I'm not 100% which Church I'm going to choose, I am a former Protestant leaning towards Orthodoxy but I still want to examine all the arguments for Catholicism before I make the full leap.
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05d735 No.837887
>>837885
Given the state of the world, I would chose a church how you would choose a bank. The bank that offers the most ATMs (parishes) is the Catholic Church in the West, the Orthodox in the East. There may be a bank (non-denom church) that fits your niche interest, but it might as well not exist at all, and if it does exist, it is bound by a few or only one location. I'd go SSPX if you're in the West, Orthodox if you're in the East. It is more a question of (preservation of) culture than of your particular belief. Remember that the Jews in Jesus' day went to synagogue even though many synagogues disagreed on Jesus being the Christ. As the Catholic or Orthodox Church does and believes things that you don't agree with, it doesn't really matter. It is more about (what is left) of your culture. Most Protestants and almost all Evangelicals have no culture, hence nothing really worth saving.
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8d669a No.837888
>>837887
>It is more a question of (preservation of) culture than of your particular belief.
Go back to /pol/
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93031c No.837890
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05d735 No.837893
>>837888
Sorry mister Ordodox, but you know I'm right. Yeah, the theological differences are important, but are they really important _right now?_
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68f963 No.837897
>>837887
The thing is I'm just not fully convinced about papal supremacy yet. I have seen the Orthodox counter arguments using the Church Fathers and they are more convincing to me as right now. I certainly haven't covered everything and still need time to research. I don't want to just blindly choose one or the other. i greatly respect both Churches but only one can be the true church.
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8d669a No.837907
>>837893
You put the eternal in service of the temporal, there can be no understanding between you and a Christian.
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05d735 No.837914
>>837897
>The thing is I'm just not fully convinced about papal supremacy yet.
Me neither. That's what the SSPX is for. They reject the 2nd Vatican Council and still use Latin in their mass, so in a sense they reject every pope that came after Vatican II. If you have any connections to the East, go Orthodox, if you have connections to the West, go Catholic (Latin rite). I'm also torn between Catholic and Orthodox. I live in Germany, so for availability's sake Catholic makes the most sense, though I have Russian roots and feel more connected to Russian Orthodox. Also, I want to leave this communist s—hole one day and move to an Orthodox country anyways. Catholic and Orthodox are kind of similar, so I can have the European experience as long as I live here, then the Eastern experience there, and can die peacefully as Orthodox.
>>837907
The eternal is not of this world, bucko.
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0bd5d1 No.837915
So in other words it isn’t pagan enough for to satisfy the rebellious desire of your idolatrous heart
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8d669a No.837920
>>837914
Yet he is in it because God's transcendence does not exclude his immanence but includes it.
You have it reversed and usurp his name. Maybe you should join these catholarpers who agree with you
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6798ad No.837921
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cfdf0d No.837923
>>837885
Ortholarpers irritate me because they're larpers. Prots are some weird combination of Catholicism and Judaism. By virtue of natural selection many prots are traditional but they'd rather pilpul the scripture to reflect their views than use nature itself to justify them. This scripture idolatry annoys me.
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0bd5d1 No.837926
>>837923
Non-pagans do tend to rely more on the word of God than on paganistic appeals to “nature”
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cfdf0d No.837928
>>837926
Muzzies also call Christians in general pagan. It's just an insult lesser religions mumble when confronted with something that confuses them.
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2d9053 No.837938
>>837923
> This scripture idolatry annoys me.
The greatest church fathers loved scripture. They're nothing like the modern variety of pomp and prelacy. If you actually wanted to be "Orthodox" or "Catholic", then you'd sound like John Chrysostom below. But alas, you'd rather listen to buggering priests and Santeria practicing Mexican grannies to get your teachings. These churches you adore are so removed from the saints that built them.
"I also always entreat you, and do not cease entreating you, not only to pay attention here to what I say, but also when you are at home, to persevere continually in reading the divine Scriptures.
When I have been with each of you in private, I have not stopped giving you the same advice. Do not let anyone say to me those vain words, worthy of heavy condemnation, 'I cannot leave the courthouse, I administer the business of the city, I practice a craft, I have a wife, I am raising children, I am in charge of a household, I am a man of the world; reading the Scriptures is not for me, but for those who have been set apart, who have settled on the mountaintops, who keep this way of life continuously.'
What are you saying, man? That attending to the Scriptures is not for you, since you are surrounded by a multitude of cares? Rather it is for you more than for them. They do not need the help of the divine Scriptures as much as those do who are involved in many occupations. The monks, who are released from the clamor of the marketplace and have fixed their huts in the wilderness, who own nothing in common with anyone, but practice wisdom without fear in the calm of the quiet life, as if resting in a harbor, enjoy great security; but we, as if tossing in the midst of the sea, driven by a multitude of sins, always need continuous and ceaseless aid of the Scriptures. They rest far from the battle, and so they do not receive many wounds; but you stand continuously in the front rank, and you receive continual blows. So you need more remedies."
“Let us not simply imprint this on our minds, but also discuss it constantly with one another in our get-togethers; let us constantly revive the memory of this story both with our wives and with the children. In fact, if you want to talk about a king, see, there is a king here; if about soldiers, about a household, about political affairs, you will find a great abundance of these things in the Scriptures. These narratives bring the greatest benefit: it is impossible – impossible, I say—for a soul nourished on these stories ever to manage to fall victim to passion.”
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cfdf0d No.837939
>>837938
There is no wisdom in scripture anymore. Manipulative people mistranslated, inserted, and historically revised scripture to serve capitalist interests. If you actually follow it you're retarded.
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0bd5d1 No.837940
>>837928
>It's just an insult lesser religions mumble when confronted with something that confuses them.
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0bd5d1 No.837941
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02fa75 No.837942
Tell you what, Adam.
Here's what you do. Look at Mark 16 in the Bible.
If the church you are considering is actively practicing, not just admitting the scriptures talk about it, the following: you are in good shape.
1. Casting out devils.
2. Speaking with tongues
3. Baptizing people in water, as in, full submersion, of a person who has made a commitment to Jesus Christ, already, knowingly
4. Laying on of hands for imparting blessings, anointing, healing, infilling with the Holy Spirit
5. Of course, the foundation: Preaching that Jesus Christ is the son of God, died for our sins, was raised from the dead the third day for our justification, and that anyone who receives him as their personal Lord and Savior is born again, as Jesus told Nicodemus, will live a powerful life (though with persecution) and end up in heaven one day
6. Preaches that Jesus will come to save the saints (saints are ALL believers) and all children in the catching away that will occur before the tribulation
7. Preaches that after the seven years of tribulation, Jesus will return and establish his rule on the Earth for one thousand years
8. Everyone who is judged and found to no longer have their name in the book of life will meet eternal damnation.
If your potential church preaches all these things, then yes, regardless of what sign they have over the door, then jump on in!
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02fa75 No.837943
>>837939
>Don't read Bible. Bible bad.
This message brought to you by Satan, the Father of Lies™
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6fdeb8 No.837951
>"It simply doesn't feel like the full expression of Christianity and the Gospel which I feel can be found in Catholicism and even more so in Orthodoxy."
I agree and I've always been protestant. I think the lack of central authority in protestantism is its downfall. Every time someone with two nickels to rub together gets offended they start a new church.
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93031c No.837965
>>837939
TOP KEKNow this is false flagging
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8d669a No.837968
>>837921
>"Native" believer
I wonder which party is actually obsessed with ethnicity.
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b0a3fd No.837981
The problem today is we're all spiritually immature compared to our ancestors and are inundated with vile mainstream garbage 24/7. The beauty and tradition of Catholicism and Orthodoxy has a very valuable nourishing and grounding affect, that will help you weather the complete insanity outside the church. Nearly everything in those denominations has centuries of thought behind it.
I'm probably confused because the Eastern Orthodox appear to have the most coherent theology, the Roman Catholics have the most beautiful ceremonies, art, and prayers, and I enjoy the clarity and hardness of Protestant writers like Calvin and like having the Bible in English. There are irreconcilable differences between denominations but I've learned a lot from talking to everyone.
What I'd say about Protestantism is it would make more sense in a culture already steeped in Christianity. A small Protestant church, with its bare white walls and simple exposition of scripture, would be like a zen refuge away from the lavish and baroque churches of other denominations.
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0bd5d1 No.837982
>>837981
>What I'd say about Protestantism is it would make more sense in a culture already steeped in Christianity
Well that is where it started
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900676 No.838082
Former Orthodox here. After I read the Bible more carefully and explored some protestant thinkers I became Reformed/Calvinist. It gets Salvation right and God's sovereignty right. Two fundamental topics which are misunderstood in both Catholicism and Orthodoxy.
I'd recommend reading Calvin's Institutes and check out Ligionier's Ministries on youtube.
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=85HV-VcvXQo
https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=MJMqyFwmpio
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