770c40 No.835432
Where in the Bible does it list the canonical books? Protestants by following a Bible canon are following a tradition which is not directly in the Bible itself therefore contradicting Sola Scriptura. Sola Scriptura is illogical. It is a heresy and blasphemy. Protestants, repent or you will die in your sins.
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18603f No.835433
>>835432
>>835432
>Where in the Bible does it list the canonical books?
On the "Contents" page.
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7c44a1 No.835434
Faith without works is dead, and if salvation was through works then Christ died for nothing.
Sola anything is wrong. Why do people keep fighting over this? Because you all fight for your flag. You come in the name of your flag. Not Christ. Your priests sent you out into the world to push their beliefs. Your priest are having this argument, not you. You don’t really think for yourselves. There is nothing else to say on the matter. Neither sola is biblical. Balance of the two is the truth.
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7c44a1 No.835435
>>835434
*If salvation was through works ALONE then Christ dies for nothing*
I need to triple check my writing.
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7c44a1 No.835436
>>835435
7 checks from now on… Yeah.
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b9ac4c No.835438
>redefine sola scriptura
>new definition is untenable
wow
Sage and hide
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3ff204 No.835445
>>835434
I think you're better off somewhere with your basic facebook speech
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7c44a1 No.835454
>>835445
Nope, staying here. Get to know me. You’ll hate me more and more. Can you explain why I’m wrong though? Did I say something false?
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7c44a1 No.835455
>>835438
XD. LOL. This meme is every single person on here. including me. Why are you overusing this. There’s not many like it. Are you the type of person to listen to a new song over and over again till you puke? Because if you are we have another thing in common.
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0574c8 No.835456
>Sola Scriptura is illogical
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7c44a1 No.835457
>>835456
I’m dying right now. XD.
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fcfb45 No.835484
>>835432
I know what the word of God is, and when someone tries to substitute something false this is readily apparent to me. After all, Jesus himself told us in the gospel that "He that is of God heareth God's words". So then the reason why I'm a Christian ultimately falls back to the recognition of the authority of God in the Scripture that He gave. If you try to switch in something He didn't author, it will be obvious to every believer. This is because he that is of God heareth God's words; and ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
So we've solved the problem of knowing what is canon by getting at the even more basic idea that those that are of God hear God's words, hence they believe the Bible and not some other book or falsification of the Bible.
Now if you wanted to know why every doctrine of Christ is in the inspired word of God, I will start you off in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 next.
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9cc52f No.835490
>>835432
Luke 11:51 lists the books.
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248a8f No.835522
Also because nowhere in the bible is that doctrine stated. On the contrary, there are verses saying the church is true, scripture is true and tradition is to be upholded. So the bible points to anti sola bible.
>>835433
loled
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71142f No.835568
>>835438
How did OP redefine sola scriptura? It's the belief that the Bible alone is to be the source of doctrine, not the Bible and Tradition as us Cathodox believe. But as OP noted, Sola Scriptura is self referentially defeating.
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29df9f No.835576
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0574c8 No.835658
>>835568
>Sola Scriptura is self referentially defeating.
I think I would like to be a hermit, or a monk in a monastery … and separate from this world.
I don't see how to help our Protestant bros except pray for them:
''Oh Mary, mother of Perpetual help, thou knowest so well the value of an immortal soul.
Thou knowest what it means, that every soul has been redeemed by the Blood of thy Divine Son.
Thou wilt not then despise my prayer if I ask from thee the conversion of these sinners, nay great sinners, who are rapidly hurrying on to eternal ruin.
O good and mercyful Mother, know well their irregular life.
Remember that thou art the Refuge of Sinners; remember that God has given thee power to bring about the conversion of even the most wretched sinners.
All that has been done for their souls has been unsuccessful; if thou wilt not come to their assistance, they will go from bad to worse.
Obtain for them the effectual grace that they may be moved and brought back to God and to their duties.
Send them, if necessary, temporal calamities and trials, that they may enter into themselves and put an end to their sinful course.
Thou, oh merciful Mother, hast converted so many sinners through thine intersession , at the prayers to thee of their friends.
Be then moved by my prayer, and bring these unhappy souls to true conversion of the heart.
Oh Mother of Perpetual help, design to show that thou art the Advocate and Refuge of sinners.
So I hope, so it may be.
Amen. ''
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71142f No.835664
>>835576
That's literally the same thing though. Now you're just playing word games. Saying scripture is the only infallible authority is basically the same thing as saying it's the only authority. If scripture is the only infallible authority, then there can be no certainty that the OT and NT canons are scripture and it wouldn't be useful for doctrine and reproof etc. So either you admit that we cannot know for certain that anything in the Bible is divinely inspired as the logical end of sola scriptura or that there is at least one tradition that is authoritative, the biblical canon, which then defeats sola scriptura.
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b9ac4c No.835665
>>835664
>Saying scripture is the only infallible authority is basically the same thing as saying it's the only authority
Can you read that again but slower
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25df64 No.835667
>>835665
Seems that you don't have an argument.
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b9ac4c No.835669
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7c44a1 No.835670
>>835667
He has a very good argument. Seems like you don’t have the ability to critically think.
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71142f No.835671
>>835670
I just refuted his argument. Seems that he didn't read my post past the first three sentences. Seems that he can't handle his own cognitive dissonance.
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7c44a1 No.835673
>>835671
Talk all you like, you only show others how irrational you are?
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71142f No.835674
>>835673
Most of your posts on this board have been irrational.
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7c44a1 No.835675
>>835673
This WAS said without understanding properly where this thread had been and where it was headed, thanks for pointing that out to me, as I can’t understand this thread anymore at this point it’s better I leave it alone. I’m sorry for my presumptions on this. I’m probably not going to believe your version either but it’s clear to me this forum is going in circles already.
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7c44a1 No.835676
>>835674
I know many think that. My last post on this thread besides this one was absolutely irrational. Im sorry for that. I’m gonna eat first, maybe that will help us all.
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b9ac4c No.835678
>>835671
>I just refuted his argument.
This is undeniably bait and we all fell for it
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fcfb45 No.835689
>>835664
>there can be no certainty that the OT and NT canons are scripture
>>835484
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fcfb45 No.835690
>>835664
We're being very patient with you. Please read the thread again and these posts more carefully this time if you want to keep posting here.
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0574c8 No.835756
>>835690
>if you want to keep posting here.
Are you the board owner?
Are you going to ban people over disagreements about logic and definition of terms because it doesn't go well for your assertion?
Why not just define authority and infallible authority, if they're different in meaning. What is the operational difference between just an "authority" and an infallible authority"?
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65643f No.835777
>>835432
>But tradition made the scripture
Nobody is f*cking debating that. But then you guys kept f*king it up until the modern day. Plus, y'all picked pretty sh*t scripture if you don't think the Bible can actually hold up on its own. I mean, where's all the verses about the importance of praying to Mary and the saints? One would think early Catholicism should include that unless *gasp* it's a later addition and corruption!
Also, regarding Luther's Bible not having wisdom and Sirach and that sh*t: the Hebrews made the TaNaKh, you guys added stuff, and then we went back to the Hebrew version. We want the stuff from the source, not from 2000 years of muddy riverbeds.
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fcfb45 No.835781
>>835756
>Are you the board owner?
No, it wasn't a threat. It was a request that you be mindful of the fact your posts itt are unaware of the posts in this thread that already answered these things and it is obnoxious to have someone posting itt who doesn't read the posts.
>Why not just define authority and infallible authority, if they're different in meaning.
Read this post then get back to us. >>835484
The reason we know what is or isn't inspired is the same exact reason we know to believe in the Bible to begin with, and not believe some other false religion. The Bible is believed based on its merits and no part that doesn't belong in there stays in there. Who decided this? Ultimately God. And certainly not the people who got it wrong by adding apocrypha. We know they didn't get it right.
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d2cc38 No.835784
>>835432
Here is good article by Fr John Whiteford, OP. It shows that Sola Scriptura is based primarily on three faulty assumptions:
False Assumption #1: The Bible was intended to be the last word on faith, piety, and worship.
False Assumption #2: The Scriptures were the basis of the early Church, whereas Tradition is simply a "human corruption" that came much later.
False Assumption #3: Anyone can interpret the Scriptures for himself or herself without the aid of the Church.
http://orthodoxinfo.com/inquirers/tca_solascriptura.aspx
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0574c8 No.835786
>>835781
Thanks anon. There's even scripture to back this up.
And we know from board tradition, parts of the Bible are completely ignored by some denominations in order to arrive at "sola scriptura"
Noting to be done about it.
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b9ac4c No.835788
>>835756
Do you legitimately not know how adjectives work? Do you have a different primary language from English?
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3593f1 No.835794
how could you even call yourself a christian if you don't believe in the bible alone? all you're demonstrating is how cathodox are not christians. the bible ALONE is from God, to believe anything else is pagan idolatry. you're no different from the mormons really
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b9ac4c No.835796
>>835794
>provocative
>buzzwords
>conceding the argument, but doubling down
This is a false flag post
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7c44a1 No.835797
>>835794
You put too much faith in the people that translated and put the Bible together. Those people were imperfect, many times out for their own interests. They removed whole books, whole chapters, words, as well as replacing many words with like synonyms, on top of all that there are honest mistakes they’ve made in several places during their translating. Paul, who I don’t always agree with, called the scriptures a tutor, he was referring to OT, since NT didn’t exist yet. And nowhere does Jesus tell his apostles to create a New Testament. If so, why did Jesus have 11 Apostles that survived and we only have 4 eye witness accounts of Jesus’ works and lessons? You seem to worship a book, not God. I’m not trying to hurt you by saying that.
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7c44a1 No.835798
>>835797
I thought I posted this on another thread. I replied to that anon, yes. But I thought his question was directed at me in another thread. Is this board glitching? Or am I too hungry?
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0574c8 No.835807
>>835794
>how could you even call yourself a christian if you don't believe in the bible alone?
Christian is defined as belief in the Nicene Creed, not belief in Sola Scriptura.
>all you're demonstrating is how cathodox are not christians.
Lets define terms: Christian means those that believe in the Nicene creed, not those who believe… you.
>the bible ALONE is from God, to believe anything else is pagan idolatry
Christ is the Word of God and Is God and from the Father, not the Bible. Even the Bible refutes you in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
Christ did not come and deliver a King James Bible, but to preach and to establish a Church.
>>835794
That doesn't answer the request to define terms. It's been made three times. Seems easier just to answer than to attack those who asked. .
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b9ac4c No.835812
>>835807
I'm presuming you meant to quote me
There are fallible authorities that are ancillary to infallible scripture, like clergy or tradition or tradition or experience. You can read the article that was already linked if you're being earnest.
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243428 No.835910
Jesus referenced everything in the Old Testament, constantly responding to interlocutors with 'Have You Not Read…' His inference being that the OT was the very Word Of God from which all spiritual understanding is derived
now perhaps one might object to the 4 Gospels being canon, and thus we can't trust the teachings of Christ they record, including His position of Sola Scriptura
or a more wily and twisted mind might say '"'you wouldn't have the 4 Gospels if the RC Church hadn't told you they were legit''" but since we know from the archaeological evidence that long before any council* was held to determine the cannon, Christians were so prolifically copying the original manuscripts that even 2000 years later we have over 5000 manuscripts dating to the Second Century (100-200AD), we can determine that the 4 Gospels were held in the highest esteem by believers
(compare this number of manuscripts to any other ancient text to see how widely the Scriptures were spread abroad)
on top of this we have the early writings of the Bishops to each other, who in determining any matter between them took Christ's position of Sola Scriptura - seeing it as the Ultimate authority – and quoted Scripture so frequently that even if we didn't have those 5000+ early manuscripts, we could piece together the whole New Testament and much of the Old from their missives alone
but then what to make of the epistles… well curiously enough, the alleged first Pope of the RC tradition said Paul's writings though sometimes hard to understand, were Scripture… and i hardly imagine that any good Roman Catholic wants to say their first Pope could have erred on such an issue, seeing as he walked with His master, and therefore would have quickly recognised His voice as any other of Christ's sheep must do
thus we know that long before any council determined canon, the Scripture testified to its own authority, the Word of God making a truth claim about itself that many, many people trusted not only their temporal lives to, but the very state of their eternal soul – seeing in both the Old Testament and New, words that are life so where else could they go ?
now following on from that let me tell you something, if you reject Christ's words when He says that all Scripture is the very revelation of His will and decree, fully equipping the believer for every good work ordained from before the beginning of the world to do, then you are not of His sheep and remain in rebellion against your Maker
that means you are bound to an eternity cast outside His presence
but His sheep know His voice, and listen to His commands, and those who submit to His authority on these matters are destined to Eternal Life
*council of Laodicea 363AD
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62b482 No.835922
>where bible say the bible's contents are true???
How do you know your church is the legit church? Where does it say so in your church? Oh wait that's circular. Cathodox really need some lessons in logic. And then salvation theory, since they BOTH get it wrong, and they both anaethemized each other, so that whole Cathodox project was a joke, gates of hell conquered that fake organization.
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62b482 No.835923
>>835922
Even if the bible had a table of contents you'd have to presuppose it was true to think it's all accurate, so in the end it doesn't matter.
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5a044d No.835932
>>835922
>and they both anaethemized each other, so that whole Cathodox project was a joke, gates of hell conquered that fake organization.
We both agree one of us is right, we just debate it a lot on what history tells us about Rome's primacy(everything else we consider legit).
And besides, sometimes even the Schism we consider(ed) an intra muros affair.
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