Any Good Defense of the Holy Fire?

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Any Good Defense of the Holy Fire? 04/18/20 (Sat) 22:26:36 1eac4d No.831251

I'd like to hear someone explain why the Holy Fire happens on this Julian date of Pascha. I have no faith in it. Since it still relies on the Old Calendar, it doesn't line up with any astronomical or theological date of Pascha. Why would God say one thing about the stars, but then another completely opposite thing supposedly at the Holy Sepulchre? Why does it happen at this late Julian date, when even the full moon of Passover was clearly lastly week (the pink moon)? Or when the Spring equinox, ushing in the first month as described in the Bible, clearly happened with a new moon showing up last month? These are all directives on when to mark Spring and Passover in the scriptures, yet somehow the Orthodox want to insist that Julius Caesar has more authority?

This year in particular was interesting for the Gregorian Pascha as well: It lined up closer than usual, where Good Friday came after the first night of Jewish Passover (Wednesday..originally a Thursday). Sometimes there isn't as near a reflection of Holy Week as it was in the original Holy Week in the gospels.

The worst defense I've ever seen from Orthodox is that "astronomy" doesn't matter and that the Church calendar only reflects unseen, heavenly realities and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with earth or observances. We're all apparently supposedly to be living in our own world and not consider material reality. I hope someone can defend themselves better than this. It's not only asinine on it's own accord, but it goes against the scripture itself. God himself prescribed this: "Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so." - Genesis 1:15. Saying that even the sky doesn't matter reeks of Gnosticism, which stupidly spiritualizes all of life to the nth degree and negates material reality. This is the same reason why they didn't believe Christ was an actual man.

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04/18/20 (Sat) 22:36:29 1eac4d No.831252

>>831251

Wait, I meant the day of preparation (pre-passover cleaning and ritual) was a Thursday. In any case, our 2020 week wasn't too far off from NT Passover.

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04/18/20 (Sat) 23:51:51 e0ac71 No.831260

>>831251

besides the asinine last paragraph of the post, I will try to explain.

There are rules by which Christians celebrate easter. It doesn't correspond to passover, since Passover doesn't always end up on the Sabbath like it did in 33 AD. It does depend on passover, in the sense that it would be a certain Sunday always after passover. You can find the full list of rules by doing a search.

Why Julian Calendar? Because that's what everyone used before 15xx when pope gregory switched his church to the Gregorian calendar. That decision did not affect anyone in the east, hence they are still celebrating using the Julian calendar.

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04/18/20 (Sat) 23:54:51 1eac4d No.831261

>>831260

No, please explain why the last paragraph is asinine. Don't be shy.

Again, you're just using the same ridiculous defense as I pointed out already. That Christian pascha need not correspond with astronomical reality.

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04/19/20 (Sun) 00:04:44 1eac4d No.831262

Also, I already know the rules. I don't even have to mention Jewish passover. I just do to further add to the point. I mentioned the Spring equinox. The original rules from Nicaea were that Pascha would fall after the full moon of the first month of spring (when the new moon showed up in Spring.. that would be March 25). The full moon after this was Passover, April 8. The Sunday after this was the 12th, Gregorian Pascha. Orthodox waited an entire week after the new moon, after the full moon (Passover), and even Gregorian Pascha. There's nothing corresponding to it in the scriptures or even the council of Nicaea's rules. It's wrong by whatever measure we can use to ascertaining any of these dates.

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04/19/20 (Sun) 00:09:19 2a90b3 No.831264

>>831262

so what measure are you using to assert the "correctness" of a date?

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04/19/20 (Sun) 02:23:13 3f2ca6 No.831293

>>831261

You're mistaking yourself by bringing astronomy.

Pascha takes into account when calculating the date the Passover from Moses, Latin Easter does not.

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04/19/20 (Sun) 04:22:19 1eac4d No.831321

>>831264

The Sunday after the full moon of the first month (the month Aviv in the Bible.. more or less April). This was the criteria for Nicaea at least. It's easier to just say the Sunday after Passover, but Orthodox and Catholics insisted on defining the date of Pascha without any reference to Jews.

That's all well and good, but the Julian calendar is still way off. It was closer in Nicaea's day, but not now. The only reason it stays alive is an insistence on Tradition - even when the very stars and the scriptures tell us where to correct matters.

It's compounded by the fact that Orthodox insist on this curious event in the Holy Sepulchre to justify their late date for Pascha. To them, that justifies that God is an Old Calendarist, and basic astronomy or the scriptures are irrelevant.

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04/19/20 (Sun) 04:24:29 1eac4d No.831323

>>831293

The Passover is always the first full moon in the first month. This was the law given to Moses. Orthodox are way off. They follow Caesar's calendar. Not Moses'.

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