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The burden of proof is on him to show that it exclusively refers to male prostitutes, and that the prostitution is what's being condemned rather than all homosexuality as it apparently says

>>828805

>I have some liberal retard "Christian" attempting to argue they means male prostitutes, not homosexuals.

Take them to Romans 1 and let them argue with Paul's understanding…

<For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

Even if the rebel were correct in their usage of those Greek terms, it's irrelevant. Scripture is clear in both the old and new testament about how God feels about faggotry. Don't let them bog you down in the details.

>>828819

This, another argument I've heard from non christians and even some ""christians"" is that our Lord Christ never explicitly comndemned faggotry himself and that St. Paul isn't Christ, therefore how can you be so sure if Christ even talked about faggotry? Its made pretty clear in the Epistles of St. Paul that he was in contact the original Disciples of Christ, of all the conversations that the disciples personally had with Christ, I believe its safe to assume that the topic of Homosexuality came up a few times and that Christ laid the law down, hence why St. Paul says that faggotry is a sin in Romans. I know its not good to assume and try to deduce things from His Word but I believe this is a pretty logical conclusion as to where St. Paul was coming from when he condemns faggotry as sin

>>829440

Paul got it from the OT. He said without the OT we wouldn't know what sin is.

>>828812

I wouldn't use 1 Corinthians 6:9 for this. In fact, I've heard pro-homo and pro-sodomite arguments in favor of this verse saying "homosexuals" because if you read verse 11 it says such were some of the Corinthians. Yet this contradicts Romans 1 as we've seen already, that sodomites are complete reprobates. None of the Corinthians shared in that, as it also says in the same epistle the following:

1 Corinthians 10:13

<There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Sodomite lust is not common to man, Romans 1:26 calls it "against nature." Since sodomite lust is not a temptation common to man, so the part in chapter 6 is obviously not telling us that there were sodomites in that same church to whom Paul wrote "there has no temptation taken you but such as is common to man." Also Hebrews 4:15 says that Jesus was "in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." Again, this obviously doesn't include the temptation to sodomy. Again, The crime against nature is not a temptation common to man. They were given up by God to that because of their rejection and reprobation. Until very recently, this was well understood…

>>829449

An alternative solution is that reprobate doesn't mean irredeemable, and some of the Corinthians really were reprobates on account of their homosexuality but were redeemed from it

>>829450

See: Romans 9:19-21

<Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

See: John 12:37-41

<But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?

<Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

See: 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

<And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

<And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

See: Isaiah 66:3-4

<Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

<I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.

See: Romans 1:28-30

<And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God,

So are you saying those who are "filled with all unrighteousness" including bring full of wickedness, covetousness, and haters of God are going to inherit the kingdom of God?

Yet Paul says right after this in Romans 2:2 :

<But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

So then we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. Which is none other than those things which are not convenient as he said in the sentence before at the end of chapter 1. He also said you should not pass your own judgement on these matters in Romans 2:1, but instead, believe the judgement of God according to Romans 1:28 which is that they are reprobated.

>>829453

Also in 1 Timothy 1:13 the apostle said:

<Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

But it doesn't say anywhere that he was a hater of God or that he was full of all unrighteousness, including all of the things listed in Romans 1:29-32. In fact in Romans 1 it says that they were without excuse and that "they knew God and glorified him not as God." I don't think you will find a reference of Paul ever doing such things as this.

I should also add that Deuteronomy 23:17-18 which was quoted makes the connection of sodomite with dog.

Sorry for posting so much at once. I get tired of hearing the same things accepting sodomy and denying "the judgement of God" as it is found clearly throughout Scripture. It's not even a particularly hard or advanced subject.

People just keep trying to change it and wiggle around it and pretend it doesn't exist or it doesn't matter due to wanting social acceptability. They'll do anything for the acceptability… They'll search for any excuse. So they let predators loose, say nothing against them and then act ignorant like they don't know why child abuses are happening. Read Romans 1. It is not some "excusable naivety." It's irresponsible and it is harming others, especially children who can't protect themselves from the sodomite predators. They're going after them in the schools now. So what about them and their cause? Do they not deserve to be protected? You realize that (they) made the phrase "think of the children" into a laughingstock/punchline on purpose, right? I don't care if the Judeo-secular worldview doesn't allow it or tries to say it's unacceptable. Anyone who denies the judgement of God is enabling those activities. They are part of the reason why it is possible for it to occur right now.

Right now, nobody should be arguing against my point. That's even worse than ignoring the problem. It is actively supporting that problem by being the enforcers in favor of it. In conclusion, use Romans 1 and accept the judgement of God.

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