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9bb206  No.820976

Former baptist then atheist here, I’m finally giving into Christianity as the truth but I constantly see arguments online between Caths and Orthodox with some claiming the others are heretics.

There’s a OCA church near me and a Coptic one closer (in America, not interested in Catholicism). How do I decide which one to go to? Do I go to hell if I’m an OO/Coptic? Also how welcoming are they to non Greeks/Egyptians?

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602f0c  No.820983

>>820976

well, in your situation as an inquirer, you're not exactly barred from visiting OO churches yet, so feel free to check the coptic one out now while you still can if you feel compelled to get it out of your system. I suggest just visiting both and talking to the OCA priest about your dilemma though.

As for them being welcoming, I can't speak for coptic churches cause I've never been to one, but OCA churches aren't tied to any particular ethnic group unlike some of the other more immigrant-based jurisdictions, and OCA parishes tend to hold their liturgies entirely in English, so there's really no reason why you wouldn't be welcomed there. The whole goal of the OCA is to be more welcoming towards Americans and eventually become the jurisdiction for the Americas after all, but the history of orthodox immigration here kinda complicated matters a bit.

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f474ff  No.821007

>>820976

At least half of that is shitposting.

As to the other half, the main problem with orthos (beyond their intentional separate from the pirmacy of the pope) is the fact that there is very little agreement on serious matters of the faith.

Cathbros have one church, one magisterium, one faith.

Orthobros have many patriarchs that teach different things depending on where in the world you are, and they don't agree among themselves which is right.

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49b29f  No.821018

>>821007

>Cathbros have one church, one magisterium, one faith.

As a Latin American, I find it hilarious that anyone might actually believe this.

>Orthobros have many patriarchs that teach different things depending on where in the world you are, and they don't agree among themselves which is right.

They agree with each other a whole lot more than all the different Catholic orders do.

Not to mention the more fringe groups like the SSPX that are still in communion with Rome. It's like people can basically believe whatever they want, but so long as they submit to the Pope, they're considered "Catholic". I've literally had debates with thoroughly educated catholics trying to tell me that the resurrection didn't happen and that Jesus wasn't divine, while claiming that their spiritual fathers taught them that, and that their beliefs were perfectly biblical.

Also, why does every. single. ortho. thread. have to get turned into the same old boring poo flinging match over and over again? This board isn't called /catholic/.

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facec2  No.821020

id give the oca church a go next week and then maybe the coptic depending on how your previous experience was. in my experience they are always welcoming, i wouldnt worry about it at all

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df082f  No.821021

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>>821007

>Cathbros have one church, one magisterium, one faith.

This is dishonest. We are in a time of crisis with neo-Iconoclasm and modernism attacking the Church, the worst enemy that She has ever faced. Orthos are in perpetual schism, and in objective heresy, but the traditional Catholic argument to use against that (unity of faith) is no longer true. As for OP, look for a Tridentine Mass near you. Hopefully it'll be a high mass (sung with gregorian chant) but a even a Low Mass is good.

>>818242 that post will help with finding churches near you.

This guy is accessible, and will clue you in as to why Catholicism is true:

https://erickybarra.org/2017/03/14/church-fathers-papal-infallibility/

https://erickybarra.org/2017/02/20/no-the-eastern-bishops-of-the-acacian-484-519-did-not-reject-the-papalism-of-the-formula-of-hormisdas/

https://erickybarra.org/2017/01/28/catholic-primacy-answering-some-objections-from-an-eastern-orthodox-researcher/

https://erickybarra.org/2017/01/29/answer-to-orthodox-objections-part-2/

https://erickybarra.org/2017/02/01/answers-to-eastern-orthodox-objections-part-2-code-of-justinian-petrine-primacy-conciliarism-papalism-and-pope-honorius-i/

>Being stuck between Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism, I knew that much of deciding factors would depend on identifying which of the two was a faithful continuation of the ecclesial primitiva (the primitive Church). It was clear to me that the doctrine of the Filioque, Papal Supremacy (even infallibility), purgatory, and other distinctively Catholic doctrines (these being only roughly reconciled with Eastern theology) were taught by the Scriptures and the Holy Fathers of the Church. For example, it is admitted by non-Catholic historians that Pope St. Leo the Great (440-461), a hero in Eastern Christianity to this day, held to the basic tenets which theologically ground the doctrines of Papal supremacy and infallibility codified at the Council of Vatican I (1870).

>Of course, he was not alone in this, and we even have major heroes of the East, such as St Maximos the Confessor, St. Theodore the Studite monastic, St. Nikiphorus of Constantinople, and many others, who all held beliefs which all but say in explicit terms what the Vatican Council taught. In addition, it was notable how all 7 of the Ecumenical Councils depended largely on the defense of them by the prelates of the Apostolic See of Rome, even against the fall outs which occurred in the Eastern churches. Almost all Eastern Orthodox Christians today admit that Rome was the orthodox Head and Primate of the universal Church for the first 1,000 years. Well, how likely would it be that said Head and Primate would be right on everything but the rationale for his authority?

>Consequently, as much as I love Eastern Christianity, and long to be able to take part in it, I was forced to choose. Even to this day, my heart remains heavy in the long for re-union with the Orthodox Churches, as well as the other families of Eastern Christianity. Who can deny that the Latin West has suffered from the separation in the realm of monasticism, spirituality, and disciplinary vigor? How can one not feel the pains of Christ in our Coptic separated-brethren who suffer daily for the name of Christ?

>Upon reverting into the Catholic Church, I can’t say that my expectations were met. That should not have been surprising. I soon learned that the Catholic Church, true as it is, was not the place where one saw the end of divisive scandal, indifferentism, religious relativism, and a host of other tactful darts from the enemy. It was fairly quickly that I digested the fact that part of this journey would require me to learn how to navigate the rough waters by sticking to the rock solid doctrine and practice which has, by the promise of God, continued in the Church

>Despite the many evil forces within which masquerade as Catholic truth. I am sure St. Paul, I believe, learned something similar to this. How often would he reflect, it seems, on how unseemly God can be. He commands one thing, but plans a life which seems like it is providentially designed to frustrate that very thing. The purpose of this is for us to “in hope against hope” (Rom 4:17-22), persevere in faith, giving glory to God.

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f474ff  No.821024

>>821021

How many of those attacks and differences have anything to do with the deposit of faith? It's so much poo-flinging about the nuts and bolts of how the mass is to be celebrated.

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880f36  No.821027

I'm not sure how aware of the Oriental/Eastern Orthodox issue you are, but assuming you are primarily interested in Eastern Orthodoxy you should go to the OCA church. Even if the two were reconciled I would still encourage you to go to the OCA church, it's important to start supporting your nation's church!

God saves whomsoever He desires to save. The Church only gaurantees the "correct way" to Christ, not to outline every single way to Hell. When the Church is not in communion with someone or another church, it is not a damnation to hell but a recognition that someone or another church is fundamentally wrong in some way, whether by action or understanding, and cannot be in communion until they repent or reconcile. This is why Churches within the EOC sometimes excommunicate each other, it's more jurisdictional disputes than of actual misteaching. In the case of the OO, it's their understanding of Christ's nature that is disputed. Because it has not been unilaterally accepted by every EOC, they are not officially recognized as communicants in any EOC and will remain in a state of "close but not quite" until such a unilateral decision is adopted. Miaphysitism = Dyophistism. The reason why the EP is doing what he is doing is in favor of adopting a more strongly unified EOC, though done in a very roundabout way. All of this is 100% opinion, and would require a much larger discussion to make sense. Give it 20-30 more years, and I'm certain that there will only be one, unified Eastern/Oriental Orthodox Church.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

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b0564e  No.821031

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>>821021

>Erick Ybarra

He really has a tendency to overstate his case. When pressed by actual Orthodox scholars that know their history, he comes off as much less informed about things than he tries to let on. See vid related for example.

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df082f  No.821131

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>>821031

He's still very accessible. Against Eastern Orthodoxy, there are older, traditional Catholic refutations, like the following:

https://archive.org/details/primacyofapostol00kenrrich/page/n1

https://archive.org/details/orthodoxeasternc00fort/page/n1

I know ya'll dislike when people bring up less theological issues like ordained female deacons, contraception, and divorce, but the point is that there is no real Scriptural precedent for any of those things, and you can say Scripture condemns them.

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879db1  No.821135

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Welcome to the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church brother, I am in your boots as well being a catechumen. I highly recommend the OCA one as the Copts, while being great people overall, do not accept the Council of Chalcedon. Chalcedon is essential to understanding Christ, the Kingdom of Heaven, and Christ's Church here on earth.

OCA have their own issues, but it's mostly a mixed bag. I would recommend if possible a Serbian, Romanian, Russian, or Bulgarian congregation as these tend to be more traditional.

I know many ex-Baptists who have returned to the church. I myself was a cradle Roman Catholic now converting to Orthodox Catholicism.

God bless you. I pray that you will find answers to your questions in time and the patience to let those answers come.

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32af7f  No.821138

>>821027

>Miaphysitism = Dyophistism

Unironically cringe and bluepilled. Learn2Chalcedon.

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20b9ec  No.821148

I would go to the OCA.

>>821007

>faggotry, the post

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