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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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5de60a  No.812138

So what's the big controversial thing about the "Reprobate" doctrine?

How does one know if they're a reprobate?

Romans 1 seems to be the main book that discusses the doctrine at length.

1ee6c9  No.812150

From my understanding, a reprobate is simply someone that is unwilling to repent from any sin. As long as there's nothing you're unwilling to give up for God, you cannot be a reprobate.


e3cb09  No.812172

It's a niche prot thing that doesn't make any sense because they can't read.

So long as you are alive you can repent and you should.

There is something analogous

When you sin habitually and consistently it blinds you from the fact what you are doing is sinful, making it practically impossible to repent because you can't conceive of what you are doing is bad.

Another thing is God's grace of repentance isn't given infinitely (after a certain number of mortal sins he'll stop giving you graces). However all of those can be returned to just by praying or being prayed for. God isn't trying to get people, if they turn to him he will help them.

These go more in depth-

http://alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/07/22-habit-of-sin.html

http://alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/04/abuse-of-divine-mercy.html

The habitual sinner may say: Is my salvation then hopeless? No, you are not beyond hope: if you wish to apply it, there is still a remedy for the past. But a certain author says, that in grievous maladies very severe remedies are necessary. If to a sick man in danger of death, and unwilling to take medicine, because he is not aware of the malignity of his disease, the physician said: Friend, you will certainly die unless you take such a medicine: what would be the answer of the invalid? He would say, “As my life is in danger, I am ready to obey all your directions.” Dearly beloved Christian, if you are an habitual sinner. I say the same to you. You are very ill; you are one of these invalids who, as St. Thomas of Villanova says, are seldom cured;32 you are on the brink of perdition. But if you wish to recover from your illness, there is a remedy for you; however, you must not expect a miracle of grace. You must on your part labor hard to take away the occasions of sin, to avoid bad company, to resist temptations by recommending yourself to God as soon as you perceive them: you must adopt the means of salvation, by going frequently to confession, by reading a spiritual book every day, by practising devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and continually imploring her to obtain for you strength not to relapse into sin. You must do violence to yourself: otherwise the threat of the Lord against obstinate sinners will fall upon you. You shall die in your sin. And if you do not adopt these means now that the Lord gives you light, you will scarcely adopt them hereafter. Listen to God calling you to repentance. Lazarus, come forth. Poor sinner! you are long dead: go forth from the dark grave of your sinful life. Respond at once to the call, and give yourself instantly to God. Tremble lest this should be the last call for you.


e3cb09  No.812173

Oh yeah should also read this

http://alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/04/mercy-of-god.html

On mercy in general

Dearly beloved Christian, how often have you been deaf to the calls of God? You deserved that he should call you no more; but your God has not ceased to call you, because he wishes to make peace with you, and to save you. Who was it that called you? A God of infinite majesty. And what were you but a miserable fetid worm! Why did he call you? For no other purpose than to restore to you the life of grace which you had lost? Return ye and live.21 To acquire the divine grace, it would be but little to live in a desert during your entire life. God offered to give you his grace at each moment, if you wished to obtain it by making an act of contrition, and you refused. And after all this, God has not abandoned you, he has gone in search of you, as it were weeping, and saying: Son, why will you bring yourself to perdition? And why will you die, O house of Israel?22 When man commits a mortal sin, he banishes God from his soul. The wicked have said to God, Depart from us.23 But what does God do? He places himself at the door of that ungrateful heart. Behold, I stand at the gate and knock.24 He even appears to entreat the soul to allow him to enter. Open to Me, my sister.25 He grows weary praying for admission. I am weary of entreating thee.26 Yes, says St. Denis, the Areopagite, God follows sinners like a despised lover, entreating them not to destroy their souls.27 And this precisely the Apostle meant when he wrote to his disciples. For Christ, I beseech you to be reconciled to God.28 In explaining this passage, St. John Chrysostom makes a beautiful reflection “Christ himself entreats you; but what does he entreat you to do? To be reconciled to God; for it is not God that acts like an enemy, but you.”29 The saint’s meaning is, that the sinner has not to labor in order to move God to make peace with him; for he, and not God, refuses peace.

The Lord promises that, if sinners repent, he will even forget their sins, as if they had never offended him. If the wicked do penance . . . living he shall live. . . . I will not remember all his iniquities that he hath done.37 He even goes so far as to say, Come and accuse Me, saith the Lord; if your sins be as scarlet, they shall be made as white as snow.38 As if he said: Sinners, come and accuse Me; if I do not pardon you, reprove me, upbraid me with having been unfaithful to my promises. But no; God knows not how to despise an humble and contrite heart.

The Lord glories in showing mercy and granting pardon to sinners. And therefore shall He be exalted sparing you.39 And how long does he defer pardon? Not an instant: he grants it immediately. Weeping, says the Prophet Isaias, thou shalt not weep; He will surely have pity on thee.40 Sinners, exclaims the prophet, you have not long to weep; at the first tear the Lord will be moved to pity: At the voice of thy cry, as soon as He shall hear, He will answer thee.41 God does not treat us as we treat him: we are deaf to the calls of God: but as soon as he shall hear, he will answer thee; the very instant you repent and ask forgiveness, God answers and grants your pardon.


aa01ee  No.812180

>>812172

>It's a niche prot thing

St. John Chrysostom taught exactly the same reprobate doctrine about homosexuals as Pastor Anderson does.


e3cb09  No.812190

>>812180

I literally just posted the truth of it from a Doctor going into how it works specifically, read it. You can't oversimplify it and act like it has any relation to the crap anderson spews.


aa01ee  No.812193

>>812190

>Tremble lest this should be the last call for you.

Implying that eventually there will be a last call if you reject God often enough. That sure sounds a lot like the reprobate doctrine.


e3cb09  No.812194

>>812193

Dude I posted links read more then 2 paragraphs he goes into detail specifically what God abandoning people means

He can kill them which is final, or he can leave them with sufficient Grace but they can be restored with prayer from themselves or others.


a49ebe  No.812222

>>812138

In the Protestant sense of reprobation being irrevocable that's bullshit. When St. Paul refers to a reprobate sense he means a state of reprobation, akin to where one loves sinning more than they love God. A state where they may know that it is sinful but they cannot stop themselves from committing such sins. These are of course remediated by confession, absolution, and a commitment to sin no more.


b152da  No.812236

>>812138

Reprobates are people who refuse to repent for their sin. You know the Christian sodomites who claim that God wanted them to be gay that that anyone who claims that it's a sin will go to hell? Those are the reprobates.




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