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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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faf76c  No.794790

What are some books defending or explaining the health and wealth gospel doctrines?

Ive only ever seen blogposts attacking it but i cant make up my mind without seeing both opinions.

53aa60  No.794812

>>794790

>I cant make up my mind without seeing both opinions.

I can fix that for you in a single sentence, viz. Wealth and prosperity are not ends in themselves, so it neither makes sense to covet wealth, to believe that believing in the Bible results in wealth, or that God grants wealth just for the sake of it, and not so it can be used to further glorify God.

The safest assumption is that any wealth God gives you will be quickly spirited away for some good purpose or other, since it is written, that the Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away (Job 1:21). Overall it is just unchristian to want more than may suffice.


faf76c  No.794827

>>794812

Youre still part of the "poverty faction"

As I stated,I desire to read the books of the "well-being party"

You ignored my request


53aa60  No.795039

>>794827

you won't find anyone spouting that bs on this board


faf76c  No.795048

>>795039

On! WONT I?

Let us see.


a94906  No.795052

>>794790

just live the gospel as best as you can, you will either get richer and healthier or not


a47595  No.795067

<but i cant make up my mind without seeing both opinions.

It's not like there is some great doctrine those false-christs teach, simply put it, they twist, pervert and cherry-pick scripture to make their viewers feel good so that they might reel in money and gain large followings worldwide.

Jesus Christ already gave us a litmus test for these types:

Matthew 7:15-16

>"[15] Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [16] By their fruits you shall know them.

Some further passages which prove this point:

John 18:36

>"[36] Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence."

Matthew 6:19-21

>"[19] Lay not up to yourselves treasures on earth: where the rust, and moth consume, and where thieves break through and steal. [20] But lay up to yourselves treasures in heaven: where neither the rust nor moth doth consume, and where thieves do not break through, nor steal. [21] For where thy treasure is, there is thy heart also."

Job 1:21

>"[21] And said: Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: as it hath pleased the Lord so is it done: blessed be the name of the Lord."


faf76c  No.795093

>>795052

What a vapid advice.

Thats like saying "youll die of cancer in 2 years or not"

Youre trivializing.

>>795067

Youre just spewing random verses.

You ignored my request.


a8910e  No.795099

>What’s two plus two? And don’t say four, I want a REAL answer


53aa60  No.795115

>>795048

Worshiping God for money is the most grotesque theological innovation of a Godless, debauched and consumerist empire.


b28700  No.795130

"Good" health, as in not your body not generally degenerating from drugs and premarital sex will come as you obey natural law, but Wealth is something that comes and goes, it is entirely temporal and it will all pass away, store your wealth in heaven.


faf76c  No.795142

>>795099

I DEFEND not asking to say four.

I indeed desire to view the non-shanty town-faction opinion

>>795130

Oh! DOES it?

If it comes;where are the poor? If goes,why are there the rich?

>>795115

Fair enough. When will you be giving away all your evil money and becoming a beggar?


a47595  No.795153

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>>795093

>Youre just spewing random verses.

>You ignored my request.

Whatever.


faf76c  No.795158

>>795153

Do not whatever me after having ignored my request.


84aa21  No.795161

>>794790

>What are some books defending or explaining the health and wealth gospel doctrines?

There aren't any because it's completely baseless heresy told by TV preachers like joel osteen to get people to donate money to his """"""""""""church"""""""""""".


faf76c  No.795163

>>795161

Does osteen even preach the tithe?

Arent you mistaking him for td jakes?


140e7f  No.795167

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>>795158

here you go fam


84aa21  No.795170

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>>795167

/thread


9320b7  No.795268

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>>794790

If you desire wealth, search for riches not eaten up by rust or moth.

If you desire health, work towards eternal life.

All that you have in this world is a gift from God; you have received freely without pay, give freely without pay.

Gods will is the height of perfection. If He wills you earthly riches, praise His Holy Name and give to His poor. If He wills you to be poverty stricken, praise His Holy Name and thank Him for revealing to you materially what you spiritually truly are while you live on this earth.

In the days of your youth when you still have strength to till the field, sow seeds worthy of repentance, that you and all you love may eat of its fruits, and that the Lord may glory in His harvest. If you are struck down in illness and disease, praise Him again for giving you opportunity to share in Christs suffering.

Tl;dr: stop wasteposting and go pray your rosary. I will be joining you.

The peace of Jesus be with you all


9610f6  No.795272

So do prosperity gospelites think when Paul was talking about his sufferings in 2 Corinthians 11 was he confessing that he wasn't in God's favor?


5d1902  No.795275

>>795093

>What a vapid advice.

>Thats like saying "youll die of cancer in 2 years or not"

>Youre trivializing.

No it bypasses any vapid debate over the truth of the matter


afb56b  No.795351

Is believing that God can heal a sickness part of the 'prosperity gospel'? A buddy of mine who is a Babtist was telling me about how recently he was approached by a stranger in the grocery store who wanted to pray for my buddy's bad acne. He refuted the prayer and confined to me how praying for sickness is part of the prosperity gospel. I disagreed with him, but didn't argue it.


784fb1  No.795455

>>795351

Absolutely not


faf76c  No.795457

>>795351

>Is believing that God can heal a sickness part of the 'prosperity gospel'?

yes it is, its the Heath and wealth gospel,not only the wealth.


faf76c  No.795458

>>795268

you're mistaking the influence of the devil who causes poverty.

NO ONE who works hard and has no vices remains poor unless

he wills it.

the poor are either handicapped war victims or lazy. in modern capitalism climbing up the ladder is easier than ever in history.


afb56b  No.795479

>>795457

The prosperity gospel is the belief that health and wealth is the 'reward' for coming to Christ. So if you're unhealthy or poor, you don't believe or are not seeding enough into the ministry. This is distinctly different than praying for the sick.


d8d12b  No.795543

>>795458

Oh boy, a time traveler from the fifties


aed511  No.795547

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You're obviously already convinced OP so nothing we say will ever be good enough for you.

To answer your question: there is no doctrine. No great theologian, nothing worth a read.

Why? Because prosperity gospel isn't an intellectual "doctrine", it's something that can only work in front of an audience using sentimentality and mindtricks… and charming the greedy nature of man.

Christ used to preach to the poor saying that they will be consoled up in heaven and that they need to become holy.

Prosperity gospel (lol) goons says that if you believe enough in DJIZZU$$ and work hard He will grant you money in this life.

If you can't see the direct contradiction there's nothing else we can do for you. I'll pray that you see the light

>But you're poor!

I'm pretty wealthy actually but you'll say I'm a hypocrite who wants to keep everyone down.

Money is a mean, it shouldn't be your end-goal.


9cc4ba  No.795587

>>794790

>What are some books defending or explaining the health and wealth gospel doctrines?

The bible. Our current world is owned by a Luciferian cult. They print our money, determine our leaders, make us go to war, shape our education, control our religions, and manage the finances of the wealthy. If you want great wealth then you have to be evil or they will take everything you have away from you. If you spend your life in the pursuit of wealth then you are working for a point of crisis where you will be forced to choose between God and wealth, and you will choose wealth. You'll just think up some rationalization that you know it a lie, but you'll pretend to believe it because of your love of wealth.

Why do you want books on the topic? Sound to me like you are looking for some writing that with bolster an opinion that you already have. You could figure out the truth of the issue by reading the bible and paying attention to the world around you


9cc4ba  No.795589

>>795547

>You're obviously already convinced OP so nothing we say will ever be good enough for you.

I agree. The guy has some firm opinion but he's pretending to be an open minded truth seeker.


faf76c  No.795616

>>795587

>Why do you want books on the topic?

Because of the practical decision of wheter to tithe or to not tithe.


faf76c  No.795617

I need to become rich so I can adopt a son.

My successor deserves the best education.




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